4um: Flight 77 Passengers

We are told that there were 64 passengers were on board Flight 77. We count 59, including 6 crew members. We presume they mean 59 passengers and crew, plus 5 Hijackers Patsies. There is no Arab name on the list of victims as reported by the media (see Passenger Links below).

The capacity of Flight 77 was 239 passengers, and with 53 passengers aboard, that is an occupancy rate of 23%. We have flown a great deal in Europe and North America, and never at any time in the last decade have we flown a trans-continental flight that was 3/4 empty (this is of course pre-9/11). The numbers appear out-of-whack, thankfully. And so, a lingering question is why the passenger loads on the four planes hijacked in US skies are being described by industry officials as "very, very low."

Many investigators suspect the terrorists at the very least shopped for flights with low passenger loads, making it easier for them -- presumably armed only with knives and box cutters -- to prevent passenger uprisings. ...

"They wanted the numbers to be on their side."

And they were: staggeringly so. CNN

Three of the transcontinental flights departed for the West Coast with at least two thirds of the seats empty. Only 37 of the 182 seats were occupied -- including four by hijackers, at least two in first class -- as United Airlines' Flight 93 left Newark for San Francisco. Through July, airlines in the United States reported flights on average were 71 percent capacity this year.

There is no evidence that the hijackers actually "shopped for flights" at all. In some cases we are told that they simply purchased their tickets over the Internet.

But this is truly a bizarre passenger list. Well, if you look at the occupations of the passengers of Flight 77, you get a strange feeling that something is wrong with this picture:

For a random collection of passengers, this is a very impressive manifest. We use the results of Killtown's work on the passenger list, which was drawn from the canonical sources of 9/11 victims biographical information on the Internet: the numbers in square brackets are the numbers in Killtown's listing .

a senior scientist with the US Navy, retired Army. [12] A third-generation physicist whose work at the Navy was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day. They don't even know exactly why he was headed to Los Angeles on the doomed American Airlines Flight 77.
a Boeing engineer in Integrated Defense Systems; he served in the US Air Force for four years, and for the National Security Agency for 14 years. [36]
a director of program management at Raytheon, US Army (ret.) [28] who helped develop and build anti-radar technology for electronic warfare. Raytheon's website notes that they are leaders in every phase of the Precision Strike kill chain; are the world's leading organization at Missile Defense; provides state-of-the-art technology to detect, protect and respond to terrorism and provide Homeland Defense; and that their technology forms the eyes, ears and brains of Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance systems, from the Predator to the Global Hawk.
a retired naval aviator who worked for Veridian Corp., a defense contractor, who was working with military aircraft and weapons systems [56] A Navy test pilot who worked on the development of the F18. "He had done a number of black programs -- which means top-secret," said his son. "We were given no details."
an electrical engineer with defense contractor BAE Systems. [41] largest technical support supplier to the US Navy. BAE Systems is an industry leader in flight control systems, which are present on nearly every US military aircraft. BAE electronic warfare systems such as their jamming system are vital to the US Navy operations.
2 Boeing propulsion engineers: a lead Propulsion Engineer and a Project Manager with Boeing Satellite Systems, [32] and a lead engineer for Boeing Satellite Systems. [40]
a software architect with Lockheed Martin Corp., US Army (ret.). [42] A manager in the systems and software architecture department.
a Vice President for software development, EMSolutions and retired Lieutenant Commander, Navy. [18] He spent 20 years in the US Navy, where he developed high capacity signal processors, multi-processor application software and innovative signal processing algorithms. EMSolutions maintains a facility security clearance, and has contracts with Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (BMDO) and BAE Systems.
a technical group manager at Xon Tech, a defense-related research and development firm [46] He previously worked as an engineer at the Naval Research Lab. Also a technical manager of Xon Tech [53].
a retired Navy Rear Admiral, former Navy pilot, and retired American Airlines pilot. [24]
a senior executive at the Defense Department. [29] A budget analyst/director of the programming and fiscal economics division who worked at the Pentagon.
a former Navy electronics technician worked as a Department of Defense contractor with Vrendenburg Co. in Washington [57]
managing partner and co-founder of Stratin Consulting. and retired Marine Corps Lieutenant and Vietnam War veteran [26]
a lawyer who had worked with the Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps. [49]
and of course, there was Barbara Olson, attorney, CNN Commentator and wife of the United States Solicitor General. [39]

The odds against this being a random group of 53 American Airlines passengers are simply astronomical! There are more top secret security clearances here than in most medium-sized cities in America.

Especially astounding in this bizarre passenger list is the preponderance of Navy personnel amongst the 4 armed services, and the tilt toward propulsion and guidance systems amongst all of the possible secret technologies. It's almost as if someone put this list together thinking that Navy personnel were expendable - or needed to be expended.

This looks like a charter flight for the military-industrial complex; it's almost as if this plane should have taken off from the Pentagon, rather than supposedly crashing into it.

There weren't any arab names on any of the passenger lists (and only a few Mexican names that might allow for fake passports / Driver Licenses).

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again."

"However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." [Josiah Stamp]

Hmmmm? Now if you wanted to staff a deep deep black facility - so deep in fact that no one who worked at it would ever be allowed to leave once they were in - how would you go about doing that when most of the potential staff had families who would continue to ask questions if they disappeared with no explanation? How would you go about doing that?

Well one obvious way is that they "die". Nobody ever asks where someone is after they're dead. After all we know where they are - they're dead - and convincingly so.

While such a posited facility could be a deeply buried research site, such as has been ferreted out by Dr. Richard Sauder, there are also tantalizing clues that suggest that there are off planet facilities as well. There are a small number of clues both direct and indirect that suggest that somewhere in the bowels of the black community we have long had a functioning non-rocket space drive that has likely been operational since at least the early 60's if not sometime in the 50's.

So, if you needed a lot of scientific and engineering staff, top flight people, to staff an off planet facility involved in R&D where do you get them without raising alarms and blowing your cover? Why, you recruit dead people. After all - they're dead.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

Your explanation just vibrates with truth for me. (This is my "perception beyond that of mere mortals" that I've mentioned)

And as Eric mentioned, that "at least one of those mentioned on the 77 list would never have done that.", what if at least one man on the manifest was indeed on the flight because he had been briefed and offered the mission and he declined?

I mean, if someone "in the black govt" said to me, "We're assembling a crack team to assassinate a well protected and high profile target and we need you to man a sniper hide on the sixth floor of a book depository", do you think for an instant that I would dare decline the offer then and there? If I did I'd likely be found hanging in a closet with lube all over my stinger so it looked like an accidental autoerotic asphyxiation.

Some ops are so well planned that the possibility of it being foiled by a pain in the ass Pollyanna do gooder patriot with a conscience would never happen.

I'm glad I did not make my post without going back and reading yours. But, Barbara Olsen? I wonder if anyone has searched out the wives and children of these men? How many of them have been killed or diappeared since 09/2000.

Good question. I can only speculate, but she was an intelligent and attractive woman in a failing marriage. Despite the entry of some women into the fields the physical sciences and engineering are still largely male provinces. So, a research lab, even in the black world, would be mostly men. So, there would be a need for women to fill "other positions" - administrative etc., ... to provide a balance. Men, normal men, really do like having women around.

Let's not overlook the possibility that this was a resuscitated and modernized "common law divorce", Bush-Cheney Republican style.

You know, an ancient ritual that long ago fell into disuse where the husband would stand and say, "I divorce thee, I divorce thee, I divorce thee".

And then he booked the little woman on a flight to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean well beyond the continental shelf.

Certainly a possibility and one that has not been ruled out by contradictory evidence.

My speculations on recruitment for black ops programs is just that - speculation, but one which is above zero probability. However, it is just one way to try and fit the pieces of the puzzle together. The problem in dealing with a government which lives in a fog of secrecy and duplicity is that we on the outside are left piecing things together from incomplete evidence and trying to reason out what the missing pieces to the puzzle look like and only then can we begin to get some idea of what the completed puzzle should look like. So, we are left only with the tools which we can fashion for ourselves - logic and reason. Also comes the knowledge that there is one thing that we can count on the self styled elites to do - lie.

If Uncle Shecky ever came clean and listed all of the secrets, lies, assassinations and attempts as well as the personal abuses of power by every govt employee above the rank of GS zero (gift shop janitor trainee) up to and including the president (Wait'll we sic the IRS on 'em!"_Dick Nixon) I'd probably die of bare fear or a broken heart.

I know that the power trip machine is unfettered by conscience and that political survival for the "principals", i.e. those who have accrued enough influence to neutralize their enemies is a matter of national security in their permanently-intoxicated-with-power-states. But, if I ever had all examples at my fingertips it would probably overwhelm my sensory adaption defenses and kill me.

I mean, who among us could survive a face to face, dark room confrontation with Linda Blair if she really was a green slime projectile machine? Well, the master list of the Devil's deeds in his US govt satellite would be even more terrifying to me.