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Title: Two Four Star Generals Tell Obama to Veto NDAA
Source: NYT
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/opinion/guantanamo-forever.html
Published: Dec 23, 2011
Author: CHARLES C. KRULAK and JOSEPH P. HOA
Post Date: 2011-12-23 14:09:42 by randge
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Keywords: NDAA, CHARLES C. KRULAK, JOSEPH P. HOA, OBAMA
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Comments: 11

Op-Ed Contributors
Guantánamo Forever?
By CHARLES C. KRULAK and JOSEPH P. HOAR
Published: December 12, 2011

IN his inaugural address, President Obama called on us to “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.” We agree. Now, to protect both, he must veto the National Defense Authorization Act that Congress is expected to pass this week.

This budget bill — which can be vetoed without cutting financing for our troops — is both misguided and unnecessary: the president already has the power and flexibility to effectively fight terrorism.

One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past. Some claim that this provision would merely codify existing practice. Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States — and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.

A second provision would mandate military custody for most terrorism suspects. It would force on the military responsibilities it hasn’t sought. This would violate not only the spirit of the post-Reconstruction act limiting the use of the armed forces for domestic law enforcement but also our trust with service members, who enlist believing that they will never be asked to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. It would sideline the work of the F.B.I. and local law enforcement agencies in domestic counterterrorism. These agencies have collected invaluable intelligence because the criminal justice system — unlike indefinite military detention — gives suspects incentives to cooperate.

Mandatory military custody would reduce, if not eliminate, the role of federal courts in terrorism cases. Since 9/11, the shaky, untested military commissions have convicted only six people on terror-related charges, compared with more than 400 in the civilian courts.

A third provision would further extend a ban on transfers from Guantánamo, ensuring that this morally and financially expensive symbol of detainee abuse will remain open well into the future. Not only would this bolster Al Qaeda’s recruiting efforts, it also would make it nearly impossible to transfer 88 men (of the 171 held there) who have been cleared for release. We should be moving to shut Guantánamo, not extend it.

Having served various administrations, we know that politicians of both parties love this country and want to keep it safe. But right now some in Congress are all too willing to undermine our ideals in the name of fighting terrorism. They should remember that American ideals are assets, not liabilities.

Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.

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Once again, it's the retired yanking the administration's chain.

If this sort of officially sanctioned sedition goes on much further those on active duty are going to have to step up to the plate and acknowledge that they are being asked to violate their sworn oaths.Subscribe to *Jack-Booted Thugs*

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#1. To: randge (#0) (Edited)

The 25th Amendment should be invoked, Twice. Obama is nuts and Biden's too stupid to hold the office.

EDIT: OOPS, I forgot, there ain't no Constitution.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again."

"However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." [Josiah Stamp]

noone222  posted on  2011-12-23   14:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: randge (#0)

Those idiots in Congress are leading us to a 21st century civil war and/or revolution, where parts of the military may quite possibly rebel against a treasonous government.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-12-23   14:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: FormerLurker (#2)

I wonder who the 2 Generals were? The article never mentioned them by name. As more troops start coming back to the States, you may be correct that the troops just might start having more of an interest in what's going on concerning the civilian population.

2dollarbill  posted on  2011-12-23   15:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: 2dollarbill (#3)

Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-12-23   15:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: randge (#0)

The operative word here is Retired. Meaning, Obama doesn't have to give a shit.

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2011-12-23   16:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: randge (#0)

If this sort of officially sanctioned sedition goes on much further those on active duty are going to have to step up to the plate and acknowledge that they are being asked to violate their sworn oaths.

But, but, but What about the paycheck? What about the big fat pensions? Uphold your oath & you're out of a job & cushy retirement.

That's one of the reasons why NO government position should pay more than minimum wage or include a pension (or healthcare).

Working for the government should be employment of last resort.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)

Esso  posted on  2011-12-23   16:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: 2dollarbill (#3)

Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.

The authors are the two four star generals.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2011-12-23   18:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: FormerLurker (#7)

Yep, Saw it there at the bottom,my bad. Thanks

2dollarbill  posted on  2011-12-23   18:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: 2dollarbill (#8)

you have a PM

christine  posted on  2011-12-23   18:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-23   21:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Eric Stratton (#10)

Rain is great here.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-12-23   22:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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