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Title: Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, US Senate.
Source: OPED News
URL Source: http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/ ... by-Ralph-Lopez-111225-796.html
Published: Dec 26, 2011
Author: Ralph Lopez
Post Date: 2011-12-26 13:07:08 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 954
Comments: 62

Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, US Senate.

By Ralph Lopez (about the author)

opednews.com

Disclaimer: I am now a volunteer press contact for this campaign.

From the press release:

Moving quickly on Christmas Day after the US Senate voted 86 - 14 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA) which allows for the indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial, Montanans have announced the launch of recall campaigns against Senators Max Baucus and Jonathan Tester, who voted for the bill.

Montana is one of nine states with provisions that say that the right of recall extends to recalling members of its federal congressional delegation, pursuant to Montana Code 2-16-603, on the grounds of physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of certain felony offenses.

Section 2 of Montana Code 2-16-603 reads:

"(2) A public officer holding an elective office may be recalled by the qualified electors entitled to vote for the elective officer's successor."

The website Ballotpedia.org cites eight other states which allow for the recall of elected federal officials: Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, North Dakota, Oregon, and Wisconsin. New Jersey's federal recall law was struck down when a NJ state judge ruled that "the federal Constitution does not allow states the power to recall U.S. senators," despite the fact the Constitution explicitly allows, by not disallowing ("prohibited" in the Tenth Amendment,) the states the power to recall US senators and congressmen:

"The powers not...prohibited...are reserved to the States...or to the people." - Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

The issue of federal official recall has never reached the federal courts.

Montana law requires grounds for recall to be stated which show conformity to the allowed grounds for recall. The draft language of the Montana petitions, "reason for recall" reads:

"The Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees all U.S citizens:

"a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed..."

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA 2011) permanently abolishes the Sixth Amendment right to a jury trial, "for the duration of hostilities" in the War on Terror, which was defined by President George W. Bush as "task which does not end" to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001.

Those who voted Aye on December 15th, 2011, Bill of Rights Day, for NDAA 2011 have attempted to grant powers which cannot be granted, which violate both the spirit and the letter of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

The Montana Recall Act stipulates that officials including US senators can only be recalled for physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of the oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of a felony offense. We the undersigned call for a recall election to be held for Senator Max S. Baucus [and Senator Jonathan Tester] and charge that he has violated his oath of office, to protect and defend the United States Constitution."

Montana residents William Crain and Stewart Rhodes are spearheading the drive. Mr. Crain is an artist. Mr. Rhodes is an attorney, Yale Law School graduate, and the national president of the organization Oath Keepers, who are military and law enforcement officers, both former and active duty, who vow to uphold their Oath to the US Constitution and to disobey illegal orders which constitute attacks on their fellow citizens. Rhodes said:

"These politicians from both parties betrayed our trust, and violated the oath they took to defend the Constitution. It's not about the left or right, it's about our Bill of Rights. Without the Bill of Rights, there is no America. It is the Crown Jewel of our Constitution, and the high-water mark of Western Civilization."

Rhodes noted that:

"Two time Medal of Honor winner Marine General Smedley Butler once said "There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. Time to fight. "

Butler famously ended his career as a Marine General by touring the country with his speech and book denouncing war, "War is a Racket." Butler confessed that he had spent most of his life as a "high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers...a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism..."

Eighteen states at present have recall laws, most of which do not apply to federal officials. For these and other states to recall federal officials, state legislatures would have to first pass or amend such laws.

Rising on the House floor to oppose the bill based on the military detention provisions for Americans, Rep. Tom McClintock said before the House vote:

" today, we who have sworn fealty to that Constitution sit to consider a bill that affirms a power contained in no law and that has the full potential to crack the very foundation of American liberty."

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders said in opposing the final NDAA:

"This bill also contains misguided provisions that in the name of fighting terrorism essentially authorize the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens without charges."

And in a New York Times op-ed piece by two retired four-star U.S. Marine generals, Charles Krulak and Joseph Hoar, Krulak and Hoar said that "Due process would be a thing of the past."

Montana would be the first recall drive to be launched as a result of the vote for the NDAA military detentions provisions. A number of Facebook pages appeared after the passage of the bill from locations across the country.

References:

Facebook: "Recall Every Congressman Who Voted for the NDAA"

"Recalling Senators and Congressmen"

"How to Recall US Senators and Congressmen"

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#1. To: abraxas (#0)

Excellent job, MT.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-12-26   13:24:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

we need the same here in texas, nation wide!


the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET

IRTorqued  posted on  2011-12-26   13:38:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: abraxas (#0)

New Jersey's federal recall law was struck down when a NJ state judge ruled that "the federal Constitution does not allow states the power to recall U.S. senators," despite the fact the Constitution explicitly allows, by not disallowing ("prohibited" in the Tenth Amendment,) the states the power to recall US senators and congressmen:

Could be the case that "clearly" shows that STATES are FEDERAL subsidiaries in a strictly commercial jurisdiction without obligation to State statutes or the Constitution.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again."

"However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." [Josiah Stamp]

noone222  posted on  2011-12-26   14:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#1) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   14:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: IRTorqued (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   14:39:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: abraxas (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   14:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton (#6)

The Fed Gov Tyranny has declared war on a free people decades ago and is now merely wrapping up the details.

For decades the people have responded with apathy. How's that workin' out for us? You can throw in the towel if you feel that is all you can do. I support others such as these folks who are willing to go after the traitors......until the very end.

I have yet to hear the fat lady sing......

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   14:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#5)

This is a nice feel-good story, but until the pigs themselves fear for their lives greater than those at the top are threatening them, ...

We've needed a lot of things nationwide and have gotten hardly any of them as the noose that is the Tyranny keeps tightening.

If you have a superior solution to what is offered in the article, then please share it with the lot of us.

What have you done to defy the noose and/or get the things you feel you need?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   14:47:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: abraxas (#7)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   14:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: abraxas, 4 (#7)

I think that the fat lady (along with 95% of the rest of Amerika) is busy watching their mind-numbing tellie programming.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-12-26   14:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod, abraxas (#10)

I think that the fat lady (along with 95% of the rest of Amerika) is busy watching their mind-numbing tellie programming.

actually I'm posting on 4um.


As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."

farmfriend  posted on  2011-12-26   14:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: abraxas (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:01:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: farmfriend (#11)

lol - I said FAT, not pleasantly plump.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2011-12-26   15:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: abraxas (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Lod (#13)

lol - I said FAT, not pleasantly plump.

ah ok.


As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."

farmfriend  posted on  2011-12-26   15:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lod, abraxas (#10) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton (#14)

Oh, and allow me to ask, what have you done? Where's your money/wealth?

Is your kids' education controlled by you, or by the establishment?

No debt. Never taken a goobermint hand out, not even a school loan. Active in Campaign for Liberty. No MIC stocks or any other industrial complex for that matter. Wealth controlled by me to the extent that it can be as I do have to pay property taxes on my real property. Strong advocate in the areas of second amendment, states rights and jury nullification to which I feel are the back bone to turning things around and necessitate vigilance.

My kids' education is my responsibility to which I must consider their fathers' desires as well. You consider yourself the moral high ground for home schooling, I cannot do the same due to consideration for their father. However, I don't see how homeschooling equates to saving the nation. I see it as a family choice and a good one, but not an act to save the nation but rather an act to save individuals.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   15:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eric Stratton (#16)

Which reminds me abraxas, they can turn off their TeeVees too. How many of the people bitching about this do you think do not watch network news while actually believing what oozes forth from the TeeVee?

I think far too few to make a real difference

Why is your focus continually on others rather than on yourself? Sure, "they" can turn off the tv.....but I'm not willing to apathetically wait for them to do it. Duhmerica is duped, on this we agree.

Me too. Again, what will make a "real difference" in your estimation? You complain about what others do, but offer nothing that YOU can do or any alternative solution to the problems you see. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution, IMHO.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   15:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod (#10)

I think that the fat lady (along with 95% of the rest of Amerika)

Not so different as to the state of thinking prior to the American Revolution and they had no tv to blame.

Thank goodness a small minority who refused to give up. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   15:22:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#12)

Have you done the same?

save the hero lecture for someone else!

Yes. : ) And, I qualify for a multiple hand outs.

Great INDIVIDUAL choices, many to which I do the same, but how has that solved the nations problems? I agree that we must first act individually and I do the same, but it is clear that is not going to be enough.

The wealth you speak of in the stock markets is yet another bubble that will burst. You should feel compassion for people who put their faith in it as it will be very difficult for them......of course, the beauty is that they will have an opportunity to seek what is more substantial than material wealth.

No hero lecture Eric, just a discussion to which I fail to understand your defensiveness.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   15:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: abraxas (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: abraxas (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:37:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: abraxas (#18) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: abraxas (#18) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

Don't care about your ex, a good chunk of Duhmerika is divorced, all I can say is that if people did better due diligence up front they wouldn't get divorced. I was very careful about who I married.

You must simply be morally superior to the lot of us in every way Eric. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   15:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Eric Stratton (#23)

Or are you that stupid?

Aren't all people stupid when compared to your vast and great intelligence Eric?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   15:43:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#22)

And I don't claim any moral highground,

Really? You might want to reread your posts dear.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   15:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: abraxas (#19)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Eric Stratton (#28)

a completely collapsed economy forcing people to get back to economic roots with the "freebie" predetermined wealth of the state having vaporized.

And what happens after the collapse? If the current state of affairs is any indication of the future.....we shall have tyranny and a complete police state. As the article states, this is what the legislation is laying the ground work for, so why do you belittle attempts to do something about it by folks in MT?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   15:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Eric Stratton (#23)

The argument then is what is this truly going to do?

The argument is that I think the people in MT attempting to get rid of the traitors who passed the bill are doing good work........you think they are not and have yet to offer a better alternative to what they are doing in response to crap legislation that sets us up for tyranny and a police state. That's the argument. I think they are acting in a positive and beneficial manner, you think that apathy and disgust mixed with nothing is better.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   15:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: abraxas (#20)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: abraxas (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: abraxas (#26)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   15:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas (#27)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   16:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas (#27) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   16:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Eric Stratton (#32)

That's the kind of answer abraxas that says "I cannot reasonably respond to the points in the argument."

No, it is a direct response to your morally superior personal account of your superior marriage choice to which I find rude, arrogant and self righteous considering our personal discussions on this very matter.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   16:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#29)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   16:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Eric Stratton (#35)

I guess we're being left to assume that you truly are that gullible, naive, and stupid.

Who is this "we"...do you have a turd in your pocket? All are "truly" naive, gullible, and stupid when compared to your SUPERIOR being in all ways Eric. Of course, I don't mind your assumptions at all because I value both modesty and humility and consider them virtuous. : )

Enjoy your assumptions. One must really be SUPERIOR to pass such judgment upon others.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   16:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#30)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2011-12-26   16:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Eric Stratton (#37)

Again, apparently you are that stupid.

Damn honey, you really are stupid then.

Your Christian responses are so vivid today Eric. I hope your personal insults make you feel good and prop up your ego some more, not that it needs any additional support. lol

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2011-12-26   16:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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