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Title: from Texas_Engineer, posting at The Oil Drum
Source: drumbeat, December 26, 2011
URL Source: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/8766/860272
Published: Dec 26, 2011
Author: texas engineer
Post Date: 2011-12-26 18:29:06 by lead.and.lag
Keywords: None
Views: 1447
Comments: 87

Human beings are not creatures of facts and logic - they are people who live in stories. This is not new - it has always been that way. We have certain collective narratives that almost everyone automatically accept without further thought. It is how we make sense of the world. These narratives keep us sane by allowing us to filter out the hurricane of information swirling around us daily and making some sense of it. The current narrative that most people subscribe to is that economic growth will eventually return or we have plenty of oil but the government is not letting is drill for it.

For that reason I am not convinced that you will ever convince the average citizen (not a technical person) by showing them data. I am a data person and I have tried it with my family and their eyes glaze over.

So I think you can only change people's views is by constantly telling them a different story - one that is consistent with their current experience. It worked pretty well with my family. A story something like this:

If peak oil is a possibility - what would it be like? Well for starters the peak oil story is not about potential oil under the ground. That oil is irrelevant because it cannot be used. Peak oil is only about one thing - the ongoing flow rate of oil into the economy. For all of the last century and up until about 2005 that flow rate grew steadily. But that flow rate pretty much came to a halt in about 2005 and for the last half decade could not grow. And as you would expect the global oil price started to rise. That's what happens when supply cannot keep up with demand. Economists told us not to worry - Mr. Market would immediately react with increased supplies, reducing price - but it did not happen.

The global oil price (Brent Crude) is now consistently above $100 per barrel after staying below $20 for most of the last century. This is what peak oil is like. This is what peak oil was predicted to be like. High energy prices eat away at the economy by pouring sand into the gears of the economy. Every country in the world tried to compensate for this slowdown by increasing debt. The world is now ludicrously broke - with no chance of paying off this debt bubble. This is peak oil - it is not about resources under the ground - it is about oil production rate - and high oil prices. Don't tell me peak oil cannot happen - it is happening.

I have personally found that my family is stumped when I present this story in this way. They don't have an answer. But the story caused a few of them to ask to see some data. Then I showed them the data. Now they are worried and they hate me :-)

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#1. To: lead.and.lag (#0)

Now they are worried and they hate me.

What does it say about a society that hates you for telling the truth? The oil shortage is man made and for a purpose. Ignorance fuels the fire of man made shortages and makes them sustainable and VERY profitable.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-12-26   18:44:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Phant2000 (#1) (Edited)

What does it say

you are supposedly from texas.

texas oil production peaked in the early 70s.

why?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-12-26   18:48:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lead.and.lag (#2)

you are supposedly from texas.

texas oil production peaked in the early 70s.

why?

I'm not from Texas, but Southern California. I lived in Dallas for a few years, but not since 2005. I was in the legal profession, not the oil industry.

However, my untrained understanding of oil peaking is production declines due to resource depletion. However, you are asking about Texas. What about the resources that are available in the entire U.S?

Phant2000  posted on  2011-12-26   19:24:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Phant2000 (#7)

Peak Oil ranks right up there with Leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, Glowbull Warming, and the "Waronterra". It is a PR/PsyOps bought and paid for by the people who benefit from high oil prices.

Between, The Balkan Formation, Gull Island, the fields off the Florida Coast, and the other massive find in the Gulf we'll hit Peak Oil sometime around the end of this millennium or at least the next - maybe.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-26   21:20:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#24)

Peak Oil ranks right up there with Leprechauns ...

Thanks for your encouragement, OI (not that I needed it ... hehehe)!

Phant2000  posted on  2011-12-26   21:50:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Phant2000 (#38)

Thanks for your encouragement, OI (not that I needed it ... hehehe)!

You're most welcome. ;-)

Peak Oilers are like O'bots, Kristyun Zionists, and true believer Marxists. Facts are irrelevant, evidence is irrelevant, the commonalty boils down to one of two things:

1. I beeeeeeeeeeeeeelieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve.

2. I get paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaid.

Original_Intent  posted on  2011-12-26   21:55:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Original_Intent (#41)

Seems to me I gave just such a simple answer and was chastized for it. Too bad my story doesn't work for others.

Phant2000  posted on  2011-12-26   21:58:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#45. To: Phant2000 (#43) (Edited)

Too bad my story doesn't work for others.

oh, it works for most people, never fear.

nevermind that you have no substiation for your story of artifical oil shortages, and there's lots of evidence that people are looking hard for more oil, but they cant find anything approaching the quantities they need to replace the old giant fields that are starting to decline.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-12-26 22:02:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Phant2000 (#43)

Seems to me I gave just such a simple answer and was chastized for it. Too bad my story doesn't work for others.

All great truths are simple. If someone is attempting to make the truth complex it is generally a sign they are trying to hornswoggle people and create a fog of untruths.

That by the way is a sure fire way to spot a professional disinformationist on a forum - if you have someone who trying to create a confusion of complexity it generally means that they are either a shill or dirt dumb. Both types are well represented at FreepTardia.

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