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Title: Oath Keepers Launches Effort to Recall Members of Congress
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URL Source: http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/po ... -to-recall-members-of-congress
Published: Dec 29, 2011
Author: Bob Adelmann
Post Date: 2011-12-29 09:20:21 by Ada
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Views: 441
Comments: 31

In response to the passage by the House and the Senate of the National Defense Appropriations Act of 2012 (NDAA), Stewart Rhodes (left), founder of Oath Keepers, announced a national effort to recall every member who voted for the act.

Oath Keepers was founded by Rhodes to encourage current members of the military services and veterans to keep their oath to protect and defend the Constitution against “all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Members commit to following certain “orders we will not obey,” including, as especially relevant to NDAA, Number Three:

We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.

One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal.

The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic “militia” groups the government brands “domestic terrorists,” is an act of war and an act of treason.

What appears to be reasonable on the surface is complicated by the actual “Oath of Enlistment” sworn by members of the military, to wit:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Oath Keepers has taken the position that when the President gives an order not in compliance with the Constitution, their members should ignore the order and follow the Constitution. Accordingly, when Congress gives powers that it doesn’t possess or that violate the Constitution to the Executive branch, it must be brought to justice. As Rhodes noted in his announcement, “We consider the NDAA of 2012 to be a declaration of war on the American people, and an act of treason … Oath Keepers … across the nation will lead or assist efforts in their states to remove any member of Congress, regardless of party, who voted for this monstrosity.” He added:

These politicians from both parties betrayed our trust, and violated the oath they took to defend the Constitution. It’s not about the left or right, it’s about our Bill of Rights. Without the Bill of Rights, there is no America. It is the Crown Jewel of our Constitution, and the high-water mark of Western Civilization.

As two time Medal of Honor winner Marine General Smedley Butler once said, “There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights.” [It is] time to fight.

Rhodes defends his strong stand by reminding those who will listen that claims by any administration to be able to arrest an American citizen without charge and hold that person in military detention without access to legal counsel and then try that person by a military tribunal are utterly without merit and basis in law. He says, “Such a practice is a direct violation not just of the right to Grand Jury indictment and jury trial under our Bill of Rights, but [it] also violates the Article III Treason Clause…”

He recommends reading Antonin Scalia’s dissent in the Supreme Court case Hamdi v. Rumsfeld where the majority held that “there is no bar to this Nation’s holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant.” Scalia’s dissent confronts the core of the constitutional protections against Executive claims that security overrides freedom:

The Founders well understood the difficult tradeoff between safety and freedom. “Safety from external danger,” Hamilton declared, “is the most powerful director of national conduct. Even the ardent love of liberty will, after a time, give way to its dictates. The violent destruction of life and property incident to war; the continual effort and alarm attendant on a state of continual danger, will compel nations the most attached to liberty, to resort for repose and security to institutions which have a tendency to destroy their civil and political rights. To be more safe, they, at length, become willing to run the risk of being less free.” The Federalist No. 8, p. 33.

The Founders warned us about the risk, and equipped us with a Constitution designed to deal with it.

Many think it not only inevitable but entirely proper that liberty give way to security in times of national crisis — that, at the extremes of military exigency, inter arma silent leges [in times of war, the law falls silent]. Whatever the general merits of the view that war silences law or modulates its voice, that view has no place in the interpretation and application of a Constitution designed precisely to confront war and, in a manner that accords with democratic principles, to accommodate it. Because the Court has proceeded to meet the current emergency in a manner the Constitution does not envision, I respectfully dissent.

When questioned about when would be the appropriate time that “we the people” should rise up against the pending dictatorship and imposition of martial law that the NDAA implies, Rhodes responded:

We veterans will exhaust all peaceful and lawful means left to us before we ever consider taking up arms. As Jefferson said in our Declaration of Independence:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

In an interview at The Daily Bell in November, Rhodes noted that membership in Oath Keepers exceeds 10,000 dues-paying members, with hundreds more joining every month. But he said that what really matters is that for every member, “there are thousands of others who are of like mind, but who are part of the unknown and unknowable mass below the surface of the “Oath Keepers iceberg.”

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#4. To: Ada (#0)

Anyone interested needs to find out if you live in a state that allows the recall of federal officials, and get involved.

echo5sierra  posted on  2011-12-29   22:56:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: echo5sierra (#4) (Edited)

The First Amendment to the Constitution refers to such right when petitioning your grievances to your government. If you can petition to impeach your president, you can impeach to remove those senators by invoking the First Amendment. Each state has their own constitutions as well. But those constitutions are consonant to the United States constitution. You may wish to contact your State Attorney General re the State statute on recall issues of federal public officers.

purplerose  posted on  2011-12-30   15:23:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: purplerose (#5)

The First Amendment to the Constitution refers to such right when petitioning your grievances to your government. If you can petition to impeach your president, you can impeach to remove those senators by invoking the First Amendment. Each state has their own constitutions as well. But those constitutions are consonant to the United States constitution. You may wish to contact your State Attorney General re the State statute on recall issues of federal public officers.

Sure, you can petition to impeach any one. That doesn't mean it is going to happen. How would the government grant your petition? By magically invoking a majority vote by the House to impeach themselves? Would they then hold themselves on trial? The Constitution gives that power to the respective houses of Congress, and in the case of the President, to the house. My point is that the House is not going to impeach itself, and neither is the Senate, since almost the whole body voted for it.

Getting rid of them by recall or by election is the way to go. Now, if they come through your door at 2 am, like they did in the USSR, well, that is a decision you have to make.

echo5sierra  posted on  2012-01-01   13:38:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: echo5sierra, purplerose (#11)

Now, if they come through your door at 2 am, like they did in the USSR, well, that is a decision you have to make.

Then I'll likely go out on a stretcher, or they will. I'm a realist. They have more guns and thugs - it is simple math.

"You cannot conquer a free man. The most you can do is kill him." ~ Robert Anson Heinlein

What we have to realize, and if the forces of liberty can ever regain control, is that the one most fundamental flaw in the Constitution is a means for the people to enforce the Constitution upon the government short of armed force. There should be other safeguards - such as a separate body whose only function is to rule upon the Constitutionality of any proposed legislation - and to reject such legislation preventing it from ever coming to a vote if it does not pass muster. Sort of a "Watchdog Committee" - which also has the power to suspend from membership any member of Congress for incompetence, moral turpitude, violating their oath, or terms of office.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-01   13:50:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#12)

Then I'll likely go out on a stretcher, or they will. I'm a realist. They have more guns and thugs - it is simple math.

Your post disappoints me but this is not the first time I have heard this before. I remember a professor telling our class such tripe that our government outnumbers us in guns. Then, this fuckturd commie pos had the gall to tell us he was afraid of us Americans. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

You say "they" have more guns and thugs???

Is that why "they" want us to register our firearms? Or turn over our firearms? Because, without us having those firearms in our possession, they can choose to quarter in and outside your property, without your consent and as so prescribed by the law.

Or is it the other way that they and their thuggies are outnumbered by us in arms. And that they actually FEAR us.

purplerose  posted on  2012-01-02   21:24:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: purplerose (#18)

Your post disappoints me but this is not the first time I have heard this before.

I am a realist. They are organized and we are a bunch of individuals - any attempt to form a serious militia would instantly infiltrated and subverted from within. If it comes down to a shooting war of them against us we have total anarchy - armed anarchy. These people are serious and they have invested a lot of our money into weapons, high tech stuff you never see paraded around, with which to put down a revolt. That has been why they are so intent on psychological means by which to dumb down and enslave the serfs. That is also why they hate home schoolers because their kids are not going through the psychological conditioning being played out in publik skools.

If it were to come to a shooting war it would be a bloody mess. The way to beat them is to wake people up and keep waking them up. The NDAA was an wake-up call to a lot of people. Those of us who have been dismissed as kooks by those living on steady diet of MSM PsyOps and Propaganda are beginning to get it - that everything we have said was happening, or going to happen, has happened.

The game is not over yet.

Stay Tuned.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-02   21:52:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#19)

So what if they are organized. They do not scare me at all. None! The way to wake people up is to educate people on their right to keep and bear arms being that of an individual right...not a collective right. In other words, you don't give up your arms just because an organized groups of outlawed loons have outgunned you. The reason why they want people to give up their guns and even register them, is that it will make the goonsquad's job easier to find everybody. That's how Hitler succeeded in disarming the citizens.

purplerose  posted on  2012-01-02   23:13:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: purplerose (#20)

I haven't said anything about surrendering up our weapons. My point is that as long as we exist as "lone wolves" we get picked off one by one. The possibility of organizing in self defense against government tyranny does scare them - that is why they are trying to paint patriot groups as "domestic terrists'" because an armed and organized populace does worry them much more than individual incidents.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-02   23:22:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#21) (Edited)

Actually, it is more easier for these goon squads to infiltrate an organized militia than one who acts in their individual capacity as you describe it as a "Lone wolf". It is the lone wolf types that make the goon's job difficult. It is also more easier to control a mass group of people than it is one who thinks alone. Where do you think the idea of mind control came from? It is used to control a large group of people. The same way it is much easier to infiltrate and discredit a group of militias than in doing so alone. That is why the Second Amendment was written as it was. It was not written to apply to a group of people or collective class. It's intent was meant to be for able-bodied individuals. And the reason for that is that were you to be with a group of people, you cannot really trust any one person to watch your back. Just one member of that group could be trained to shoot you all the while assuming the position as being a part of the group.

purplerose  posted on  2012-01-03   0:41:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: purplerose (#22) (Edited)

It is the lone wolf types that make the goon's job difficult.

Catch me if you can!

BTW, I hear that the PTB intend to get our guns by using the U.N. to confiscate them. Fat chance! I hope they can eat lead. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-01-04   16:26:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BTP Holdings (#24) (Edited)

BTW, I hear that the PTB intend to get our guns by using the U.N. to confiscate them. Fat chance! I hope they can eat lead. ;)

I heard they will leave the bigger calibers alone though ;)

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-04   22:30:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#31. To: intotheabyss (#29)

I heard they will leave the bigger calibers alone though

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

LOL I do have a Maadi Griffin in the safe. That is a single shot .50 BMG. I was in the local gun shop and the guy told me I would need a helluva scope for it.

Voltaire was right on. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-01-07 13:14:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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