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Title: An Open Letter to Ron Paul from Michael Rivero
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/openletterronpaul.php
Published: Jan 3, 2012
Author: Mike Rivero
Post Date: 2012-01-03 00:07:23 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 2091
Comments: 95

It is one thing to speak of principles and quite another to fight for them.

Dr. Paul

I am but one of the millions of Americans who supported you in 2008 and support you now. We have donated to you, volunteered for you, promoted you, defended you, and in a very real way fought for you. Now may be the time for you to return the favor.

All across Iowa, alarming indicators are rising that those who wish to continue the nation down the path of fascism are preparing to steal the Iowa Caucus from you. We all know you are a gentleman and still believe in the ultimate fairness of our nation, but in this one regard I fear you are being dangerously naive. As the HBO Documentary "Hacking Democracy" illustrates, election fraud, always a reality in the past, is now epidemic across the nation. Iowa has a prior history of vote fraud shenanigans, as shown in 1996 when vote fraud shaved 13% from Pat Buchanan's totals all across the state, tipping the victory to Bob Dole.

As I am fond of telling my radio audience, this election is not a gentlemanly contest. It is a bare-knuckles, knock-down, spit-teeth-in-the-gutter fight for the future of this nation, with a nuclear world war hanging in the balance. Your opponents espouse that God wants this nuclear war waged on the Arab world and the problem with politicians listening to those voices in their head is that they truly believe that lying, cheating, stealing, even assassination is no sin in the furtherance of what they claim is a divine agenda.

Of course, we all hope that the voter turnout for you is so great that cheating will be impossible, and that we are headed for yet another "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment in history. But your sudden decline in the public media polls, with number arrived at through fraudulent means signals an attempt to "pre-sell" your defeat to the more gullible segments of the public. Rumors coming from Chicago, known for political skullduggery, that the Iowa votes will be counted in Illinois rather than Iowa, should send a clear warning signal that fraud is afoot.

Dr. Paul, We The People stand with you. We ask that you stand with us, and if indeed, as appears to be the case, Iowa is stolen from you, then it is time to take off the gloves and fight for those principles which have attracted so much support for you. Because the vote stealers are stealing more than just a victory from you, they are stealing our nation from all of the people. They are stealing a life of peace from our children. They are stealing prosperity from us all. They plan an eternity of war for the world and if they succeed, none of us will ever live to see a time of peace again.

If we do not choose to fight against these people now, we will soon have no choice but to fight for them from now on.

Far more than just your political ambitions are at risk here. If the election is allowed to be stolen, then all we have to look forward to is nuclear war without and violent revolution within.

If Iowa is stolen from you, we need you to be the leader we all know that you are and demand a recount by hand of all ballots.

Michael Rivero

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#1. To: christine (#0)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2012-01-03   0:11:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

I fully concur. I would also be concerned about the integrity of the New Hampshire primary; last time around it was obviously rigged in McCain's favor.

And with this latest BS, "New polls point to Romney landslide in N.Hampshire", the fix appears to already be in...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-03   1:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine, all (#0)

Dr. Paul, We The People stand with you. We ask that you stand with us, and if indeed, as appears to be the case, Iowa is stolen from you, then it is time to take off the gloves and fight for those principles which have attracted so much support for you. Because the vote stealers are stealing more than just a victory from you, they are stealing our nation from all of the people. They are stealing a life of peace from our children. They are stealing prosperity from us all. They plan an eternity of war for the world and if they succeed, none of us will ever live to see a time of peace again.

This, coming from Mike "support the lesser of 2 evils" Rivero, who then proceeded to kiss obamas monkey ass at every opportunity, to the exclusion of all other "news" stories. That was all he did on his site, for the longest time; kiss obamas ass and tell us how very wonderful the nigger was. Did the nigger live up to the hype? Fuck no.

And now he writes about "principles"? lol

The last person that should listen to him is Paul.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   8:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA2 (#3)

Such comments prove the only thing you care to do is display an irrational racial hatred. You put the taint of hate in everything you comment on thus cannot be taken seriously on anything.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-03   9:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ferret (#4)

1) It's rational

2) I called dubya a "fucking chimp" too. Granted, it's not the same as "monkey", but it's close enough.

Hell, if it makes you feel better, I'll say that "Dubya was a cracker honkey white devil". Feel better now?

3) I don't care if anyone takes me seriously, or not.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   10:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA2 (#5)

It's irrational, highly refuted insanity and has solely the foundation of raw hatred to it. And if I heard you express this sentiment out loud and in public, I would get squarely in your face about it just like I do every time that happens in my hearing range.

I have actually gotten racists convicted of felonies for trying to assault me for contradicting such nonsense that way, and I have no intention of ever putting up with such crap.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-03   10:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ferret (#6)

And if I heard you express this sentiment out loud and in public, I would get squarely in your face about it just like I do every time that happens in my hearing range.

It's been a few years since I've been to Eugene, but if I ever get back there, I'll let you know.

I don't hate niggers just because of their skin color, I hate them because they're here. If they want to chop each other to bits with machetes in africa, as they love to do, they are more than welcome to do so. I won't lift a finger to stop them. To stop them would be racist, and I don't want to be known as a racist. That would be horrible!

And obama is a worthless typical nigger, that Rivero fell in love with, and took every opportunity to sing his praises. Rivero's lips were surgically attached to obamas ass. Rivero is the one that should not be taken seriously here, but people have short and selective memories.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   10:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PSUSA2 (#3)

Rivero mea culpa'ed on his initial support of Obama, but I have to admit, it surprised me that he, of all people, was hoodwinked to that degree.

christine  posted on  2012-01-03   10:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#8)

Same here. I used to go to his site a lot.

Someone, probably multiple people, had to tell him, I mean HAD TO, that he was wrong, and showed him exactly where he was wrong. But he did it anyway, without reporting the other side, losing credibility along the way. But I'm sure he knows that people would eventually forget, that there is always something new to report, and how hard it is to keep track of this stuff.

I equate this to cheating. Some say "I made a mistake". To me, it is an intentional act requiring many such "mistakes". It's not one action, but many actions.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   11:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PSUSA2, 4 (#7)

Some people here voted for Clinton, and Bush (both versions). Repentencance works in my world, and I have to be honest, the words "zero tolerance" is to ignore the human condition we all come to this planet with. Rivero was way wrong, but If he has since rejected his Obama position, I call that changing an opinion based on new (and accurate) information. I voted for none of the people I mentioned in this post, but I'm OK with people who did and now recognize it was a mistake.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-01-03   11:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

I disagree. I dont see it as a "mistake" but a deliberate series of actions to deceive and therefore influence voters. It has nothing to do with people making a choice in who to vote for. That is their business and no one elses, but it doesn't help matters any when there is deliberate deception involved in order to have a citizens vote influenced.

The accurate info was already out there. He just didn't report on it. He deliberately refused to report on it.

Falling on his sword after the fact is a PR stunt.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   11:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA2 (#11)

I don't know enough about Rivero to defend him, so I won't, but with average people who have since become informed and awake, I welcome them back home.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-01-03   13:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ferret, BSUSATOO, PSUSA2, ALL (#4)

Such comments prove the only thing you care to do is display an irrational racial hatred. You put the taint of hate in everything you comment on thus cannot be taken seriously on anything.

Agreed, and well stated.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-03   13:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#0)

If Iowa is stolen from you, we need you to be the leader we all know that you are and demand a recount by hand of all ballots.

On camera, under Canadian international observers! And those responsible through negligence or intent of fucking up the count need to be held accountable.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-01-03   14:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PSUSA2 (#9)

I equate this to cheating. Some say "I made a mistake". To me, it is an intentional act requiring many such "mistakes". It's not one action, but many actions.

And you are without fault, right PSUSA? You've never made a mistake in your life have you.

Going back to the early days of FR, where Rivero and myself used to research and post about OKC, TWA800, Waco, and other such events, I found him to be a man of courage and integrity.

He valued the truth and did his best to find it and reveal it to others. What have YOU done other than slam people here on the 4um? Have you uncovered any facts that cause people to wake up, or are you just here to put them to sleep and/or anger them?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-03   14:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: FormerLurker (#15)

And you are without fault, right PSUSA? You've never made a mistake in your life have you.

I've made plenty of mistakes. I just have no problem admitting them. If I'm right, I'm right. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

What Rivero did was not a mistake. It was intentional, and over a long period of time.

He valued the truth and did his best to find it and reveal it to others. What have YOU done other than slam people here on the 4um? Have you uncovered any facts that cause people to wake up, or are you just here to put them to sleep and/or anger them?

Did I anger you? If I did, that's your problem, not mine.

If you want to argue, then tell me he didn't constantly kiss obamas ass. It happened so much I was wondering if he got paid to do it, because he went above and beyond. And now he has the gall to tell Paul what to do? Fuck that.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   14:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker, BSUSATOO, PUSUSATOO, PSUSA2, all (#15)

... or are you just here to put them to sleep and/or anger them?

WE HAVE A WINNER JOHNNY!

One small amendment:

... or are you just PUT here to put them to sleep and/or anger them?

BSUSA is in the hate and disinformation business - our local closet disinformation specialist.

He's here to confuse, fog, and spread hate as means of driving people away from 4UM.

BSUSA is many things but rational and humane do not reside among them. Like all good disinformation/agitprop/PsyOperators he does not do it 100% of the time as that would be too obvious, he does it just often enough to discourage, inflame, and drive away people looking for rational discourse.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-03   14:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret (#4)

"....irrational racial hatred....."

Perfect for your tombstone, hypocrite.

Big Meanie  posted on  2012-01-03   14:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: FormerLurker, BSUSATOO, PUSUSATOO, PSUSA2, Ferret, all (#16)

If you want to argue, then tell me he didn't constantly kiss obamas ass. It happened so much I was wondering if he got paid to do it, because he went above and beyond. And now he has the gall to tell Paul what to do?

Or the alternative, which I think is closer to the truth, is that he despised McCain MuckNutz so much that he was willing to latch onto any alternative that was not so obviously psycho.

Of course that kind of reaction is why MuckNutz's dead campaign was resurrected so as to put forth a Republican that COULD NOT POSSIBLY win the (s)Election.

It is also why the establishment self-styled elites so fear Ron Paul - because Obama could never beat him in an honest election in a million years - unless voting was limited to unintelligent schmucks such as the unlamented Robin. Even hardcore liberals are now seeing in him what I predicted before his (s)Election i.e., that he is effectively Bush III.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-03   14:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: PSUSA2 (#16)

I haven't been paying attention to Rivero over the last several years, but I've always found him to do what he believes is the right thing. He actually nailed the true culprits behind 9/11 the day of the attacks, by asking who benefits the most from it. That culprit was Israel.

What have YOU done in terms of investigative journalism and research, eh PS?

I don't know why you take this so personally, do you have some sort of grudge against the guy for stealing your candy when you were a kid or something?

Lighten up.

But if you have any sort of hard evidence that he was "kissing Obama ass" over the past several years, post a link, I'm curious as to what ties your panties in knots over the guy.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-03   16:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#17)

He's here to confuse, fog, and spread hate as means of driving people away from 4UM.

That's quite possible, as some of his rhetoric is not only highly inflammatory and racist, but revolting.

I know Rivero always attracted the shills on FR and was always a target of theirs. Perhaps ole PS was one of those shills, who knows...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-03   16:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

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December 5, 2011

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2012-01-03   17:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Some people here voted for Clinton, and Bush (both versions). Repentencance works in my world, and I have to be honest, the words "zero tolerance" is to ignore the human condition we all come to this planet with. Rivero was way wrong, but If he has since rejected his Obama position, I call that changing an opinion based on new (and accurate) information. I voted for none of the people I mentioned in this post, but I'm OK with people who did and now recognize it was a mistake.

Super post, JT. (and I agree).

I didn't vote for any of them either.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again."

"However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." [Josiah Stamp]

noone222  posted on  2012-01-03   17:24:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#17)

"BSUSA is in the hate and disinformation business - our local closet disinformation specialist.

He's here to confuse, fog, and spread hate as means of driving people away from 4UM."

You nailed it, and did it exceptionally well. I could not have said it better.

Not even Storm Front allows such open racist vitriol in their site because they are into growth and expansion such raw shows of hatred and intolerance stifle.

It shows how some deeply fear this site and some of the excellent development of ideas and information sharing that this place has. He does a great deal of harm to 4UM, and does it with a hidden agenda.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-03   17:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Big Meanie (#18)

"Perfect for your tombstone, hypocrite."

We all die someday Meanie, but my death will never kill the immortal truth that human love, caring and tolerance trumps hatred and bigotry.

I'll die, but the truths I know will live long after me.

And meanie, a question for you; why oh why would an environmentalist want to wasted surface on the mother planet for some wasted exercise of ego like a grave site?

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-03   18:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FormerLurker (#20)

What have YOU done in terms of investigative journalism and research, eh PS?

I never claimed to be a journalist or a researcher.

I don't know why you take this so personally

I don't. I just hate weasels, no matter who they are.

But if you have any sort of hard evidence that he was "kissing Obama ass" over the past several years, post a link,

He might not, anymore. I dont know, I stopped going there because of his cheerleading for obama before the selection. I thought that was interesting since he posted several stories before that, about how fraudulent the selection are. Hell, he probably had a whole category full of many articles devoted to that topic. So he knew better, and did it anyway. Now he thinks he can tell Paul anything?

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   18:15:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#21)

That's quite possible, as some of his rhetoric is not only highly inflammatory and racist, but revolting.

I just got tired of beating around the bush.

Just saying "I do say, my good man, that I am most displeased and so very perplexed by the current intolerable situation that I find myself at a total loss!" just doesn't cut it anymore.

You want to know what revolting is?

This is fucking revolting:

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   18:30:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: PSUSA2 (#27)

You want to know what revolting is?

This is fucking revolting:

As far as I've seen, everyone with a conscience, including Rivero, would agree with you.

Thing is PS, you get outright extreme in your racial and religious intolerance, turning many people away. This 4um has many good people trying to inform others of the nature of the beast so to speak, it doesn't do any of us any good for you to act like a satanic version of the KKK grand wizard.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-03   18:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker (#28)

it doesn't do any of us any good for you to act like a satanic version of the KKK grand wizard.

Sorry if you'd prefer a christian neocon warfaggot. And to say that I turn people away? There is the ignore feature. I promise not to use my Mighty Evil Black Magic Powerz of the KKK Satanist Lodge 666 to force them to read my posts, swear to god.

There are 2 sides to a story, usually. I have no problem in going against the grain to present that 2nd side, if there is reason to do so. If you don't like it, or the way I do it, put me on ignore. I am not going to change for you or anyone else.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   18:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, Ferret, all (#19)

Or the alternative, which I think is closer to the truth, is that he despised McCain MuckNutz so much that he was willing to latch onto any alternative that was not so obviously psycho.

If Rivero had misguided sympathy for the current officeholder, yes it was probably bred out of his distaste for McPain and the whole Pubbie machine headed by Junior. I think that eight year's of that shit, with the prospect of at least four more was enough to drive some folks out of their ever lovin' minds.

The love affair didn't last long, however, and by the time BP blew up their rig in the Gulf, Rivero was hammering 'Bama pretty hard.

Everyone is entitled to their moment of madness, but yeah, as far as 911, Waco, Ruby Ridge, OK City as well as a host of stuff like creeping militarism, climate globalony, Gaza, & Isra-subversion go, Rivero is right on track.

Some here are penalizing Rivero pretty hard for support he gave the Current Resident and are blowing things up out of proportion because they lack any sense of proportion in the first place. But then, have you noticed? There are some people on this forum who have a pretty good hold on reality. They're the kind of folks you'd want to have for neighbors.

Others, not so much.

randge  posted on  2012-01-03   18:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: noone222 (#23)

Thanks, noone222. If it weren't for 2nd and 3rd chances, most of us would be divorced, dead, and/or wearing orange jump suits.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-01-03   18:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: PSUSA2 (#29)

What it comes down to PS is that you are at times quite offensive to most people. I'm not about to put you or anyone else on ignore, but what I'm saying is that you paint ALL of us as extreme minded racists with some of the crap you post, to anyone just visiting this forum from the outside world.

If that is not your intent, maybe you could tone it down a bit. If you only care about YOU and could care less about the rest of us, just keep doing what you're doing.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-03   18:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: FormerLurker (#32) (Edited)

that you paint ALL of us as extreme minded racists with some of the crap you post, to anyone just visiting this forum from the outside world.

Bullshit.

First of all, I am not the only "racist" here. But I am a little more outspoken than some. I see no point in not calling a spade a spade.

Second of all, any time I disagree, I give reasons. Argue the reasons if you want. Or call me a shill if you want. Say that some .gov agency is paying me to post on forums. I don't care.

If you want people to go along to get along, post crap like 'no planes on 9/11 it was a hologram', or 'they're spraying chemtrails overhead today', or 'check out this Illuminati insider video' without disagreement, and everyone agreeing, you'll be disappointed.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-03   19:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: PSUSA2 (#33)

If you want people to go along to get along, post crap like 'no planes on 9/11 it was a hologram', or 'they're spraying chemtrails overhead today', or 'check out this Illuminati insider video' without disagreement, you'll be disappointed.

There are people who wish to be taken seriously. Those who act like bigots and such will not be taken seriously by anyone.

As many people judge others by the company they keep, I'm sure more than a handful will think we are ALL bigots, in fact, on LP and other forums a lot of people view this place as a racist website, and when people come see for themselves, often times find exactly that.

Now if you want to deny the clear evidence of SOMETHING being SPRAYED in the skies over North America, Europe, and elsewhere, that's your perogative, and we can debate the issues.

But tossing words around such as nigger, kike, and so forth just discredits anything else you have to say pretty much.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-03   19:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ferret (#24)

"BSUSA is in the hate and disinformation business - our local closet disinformation specialist.

He's here to confuse, fog, and spread hate as means of driving people away from 4UM."

You nailed it, and did it exceptionally well. I could not have said it better.

Not even Storm Front allows such open racist vitriol in their site because they are into growth and expansion such raw shows of hatred and intolerance stifle.

It shows how some deeply fear this site and some of the excellent development of ideas and information sharing that this place has. He does a great deal of harm to 4UM, and does it with a hidden agenda.

Thanks for the kind words.

It shows how some deeply fear this site and some of the excellent development of ideas and information sharing that this place has.

I think you may well be right on that. Most of the people who post here are sharp, and while we may have our disagreements from time to time they are generally well expressed. Agree or disagree I think I would put the posters on 4um above most other similar fora on the 'net in terms of their ability to see through the spin.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-03   19:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#0)

Ron Paul Edges a Surging Santourm in Final Iowa Caucus Straw Poll | 2012 Iowa Caucus

Rick Santourm has picked the right time to surge, but it wasn’t enough to topple Ron Paul who finished in first again with 1,051 votes (18%). Santourm finished 990 votes (17%). Newt Gingrich fell from the last Straw Poll, but still managed a very close third place with 957 votes (17%). The race stayed close all the way down the line with Mitt Romney at 16% and Rick Perry at 15%. Even Jon Huntsman and Michele Bachmann finished with a respectable 9% and 8% respectively.

Poll Results:

Straw Poll: Who will win the 2012 Iowa Caucus? (Exp 1-01-12)

Ron Paul (18%, 1,051 Votes)

Rick Santourm (17%, 990 Votes)

Newt Gingrich (17%, 957 Votes)

Mitt Romney (16%, 919 Votes)

Rick Perry (15%, 848 Votes)

Jon Hunstman (9%, 495 Votes)

Michele Bachmann (8%, 475 Votes)

Total Voters: 5,735

*Online Straw Poll.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2012-01-03   19:47:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: noone222, Jethro Tull (#23)

Opinion: Prepare to Be Surprised By Iowa Caucus Results - Iowa Caucuses - Fox Nation

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2012-01-03   19:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TwentyTwelve, 4 (#37)

The Faux news presenters are semi stunned that Ron Paul has seemingly cobbled together a coalition of Independents, the young, Democrats and some anti-war Rs. If this holds, it will scare the yarmukles off the AIPAC boyz.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-01-03   20:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull, ALL (#38)

Live blog from the Iowa caucuses - CNN.com Blogs

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2012-01-03   20:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull, ALL (#38)

Live blog: Iowa's Republican caucuses minute-by-minute - CNN.com

1% in

Paul leading with 43%

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2012-01-03   20:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TwentyTwelve (#40)

Paul leading with 43%

bump that!

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-01-03   20:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Dakmar (#41)

Live blog: Iowa's Republican caucuses minute-by-minute - CNN.com

1% in

Santorum 463 26%

Paul 406 23%

Romney 318 18%

Ginrich 286 16%

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2012-01-03   20:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TwentyTwelve (#42)

Paul leads in this moment 24 percent.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-01-03   21:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: FormerLurker (#28)

Thing is PS, you get outright extreme in your racial and religious intolerance, turning many people away.

You may be right.

I'll tell ya what. Let's 2 do things.

1) Go into any nig...(some habits are hard to break) I mean African American neighborhood tonight. It doesn't matter where, because they are all the same.

Stand under a street lamp and tell them, as they return from a hard days work, that we understand their plight and have much compassion for them. Ask how we can help them overcome.

What could possibly go wrong???

2) Hug a jew. Yeah, they are just as responsible, if not more responsible for that murdered little girl (and countless others just like her) as the US is, but jews need love too. And now they want to do it to Iran, so we can then wish them godspeed.

Love conquers all, right?

All you need is love.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   7:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: PSUSA2 (#44)

Thing is PS, you get outright extreme in your racial and religious intolerance, turning many people away.

You need to change your screen name to SuperPSUSA2 (Able to turn people away with the stroke of a key).

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936 2011)

Esso  posted on  2012-01-04   8:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: PSUSA2, Esso (#44)

Hey, maybe you two guys could burn a cross right here on 4um. I'm sure there are some graphics you could find that'd display that.

I'll tell ya what. There are niggers, white niggers, black niggers, and niggers of all colors. Thing is, those bastards are racists.

I've found more than a few Negroes, Latinos, and others, that do NOT fit into the category of "nigger", just because of their skin color.

You guys have issues. Deal with it privately, get a room or something and whack yourselves off to posters of Stalin, Hitler, and maybe that guy who founded the Masonic order down there in ole Dixie.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-04   9:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: PSUSA2 (#44)

it's pretty clear why we should hate black people... after all, they control the government, the media and the political process, and they're in the process of looting the country and agitating for more wars.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   9:32:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: PSUSA2 (#44)

All you need is love.

Try it sometime.

Essenes lived in peace and harmony, but carried a big stick just in case.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-04   9:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lead.and.lag, PSUSA2 (#47)

This is part of the "conquer and divide" strategy I think.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-04   9:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FormerLurker (#48) (Edited)

Essenes lived in peace and harmony, but carried a big stick just in case.

essenes lived in peace and harmony, huh?

then what was jesus bitching about?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   9:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lead.and.lag (#50)

thenw what was jesus bitching about?

???

As in, what the hell are you talking about.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-04   9:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FormerLurker (#49) (Edited)

This is part of the "conquer and divide" strategy I think

of course it is...

...but it's also an attempt to divert blame for this fiasco...

the gullible little people will participate in the race wars for that reason alone, while the instigators take off with the loot... that's just how it works.

can israelis come to their senses after they've grown accustomed to free lunch, after they've been selcting for psychopaths for generations?

doubtful.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   9:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lead.and.lag (#52)

JFK wanted to stop them from building nukes. That's why he is the late JFK.

There are a SLEW of reasons why the PTB wanted him out of the way, but that was the creme of the creme so to speak.

With the attack on the USS Liberty, the treachery concerning the Marine barracks attack in Lebanon, and the more than likely involvement in 9/11, that little shit hole of a country are truly NOT our friends by a long shot.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-04   9:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Esso (#45)

You need to change your screen name to SuperPSUSA2 (Able to turn people away with the stroke of a key).

People sure do think I'm powerful.

I think what some people want is to not face resistance from anyone. That way, we can all blame the Lizard People from the Alpha Draconis star system, that spray chemicals in the air on their way to project holograms on buildings that are then knocked down by HAARP built by those from Bohemia Grove when they aren't conducting human sacrifices...

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   9:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: FormerLurker (#53)

that little shit hole of a country are truly NOT our friends by a long shot...

...and they're so invulnerable that there's not much we can do... excekpt vent our frustration on other americans who have different colored skin and different culture...

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   9:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: lead.and.lag (#47)

it's pretty clear why we should hate black people... after all, they control the government, the media and the political process, and they're in the process of looting the country and agitating for more wars.

It's the kikes that do that.

Niggers simply trash everything they get their paws on.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   9:51:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: PSUSA2 (#54)

Perhaps you'd be happy with a good lynching of some black folk, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-04   9:52:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: PSUSA2 (#54)

People sure do think I'm powerful.

you'd be more powerful if you were sane enough to deal with reality... and assign blame where it belongs, instead of looking for black scapegoats.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   9:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: FormerLurker (#57)

Perhaps you'd be happy with a good lynching of some black folk, eh?

That's one sure way to stop TNB in its tracks.

Tell me, what did these fine upstanding young men do to deserve this? You posted the pic, so you must know.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   10:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: PSUSA2 (#56)

Niggers simply trash everything they get their paws on.

want to hazard a guess about how much trash will result from a global nuke war started by israel?

benevolent global hegemony and nuclear primacy, neocon bright ideas hitched to israel

life in a radioactive trash heap, aka the planet earth.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   10:03:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: lead.and.lag (#55)

here's not much we can do... excekpt vent our frustration on other americans who have different colored skin and different culture...

Yeah, what can you do?

There are bound to be interlopers on every forum who simply trash every thread they get their paws on.

I really hate "topic cops" you find on some boards, but the topic here was Ron Paul and Michael Rivero. Now you all are on about this old shite. It's contemptible.

One thing you can do is bozo and/or ignore some of the detritus that accumulates here from time to time - it's just as easy as it sounds.

randge  posted on  2012-01-04   10:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: PSUSA2 (#59)

i dont care who you hate, but when you gotta parade your supposed intellect in ways that can be exploited by the real culprits, you're not doing anyone a favor, least of all yourself.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   10:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: randge (#61)

you all are on about this old shite. It's contemptible.

yeah, ashkenazi racial supremacism, nuke war, race wars stirred up to protect jews...

those things are always off topic, arent they?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   10:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lead.and.lag (#60)

want to hazard a guess about how much trash will result from a global nuke war started by israel?

want to know what the aftermath will look like? Get a map, and find the street named "Dr (sic) Marting Luther King". Every city has one. Then look at how trashed it is.

Instead of destroying cities in one huge blast, nigs destroy them one block at a time. They aren't as efficient as kikes, but they get the job done.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   10:15:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: PSUSA2 (#64) (Edited)

Instead of destroying cities in one huge blast, nigs destroy them one block at a time.

so you figure blacks are more danger to the world than nuke-armed ashkenazi supremacist psychopaths.

good enough

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   10:18:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: lead.and.lag (#65) (Edited)

so you figure blacks are more danger to the world than nuke-armed ashkenazi supremacists.

Where did I ever say that? Or hint at that?

One can probably walk safely in a jew neighborhood. In a nigger hood, you're taking your life in your own hands. That is common sense, something that is sorely lacking here where being PC is more to some peoples liking. They want only That Which Should Be, instead of That Which Is.

So niggers are a more immediate threat to individuals, and a more long term threat to countries, and kikes are THE imminent threat to entire countries. They work together.

And, be sure to pay attention now because I don't want to have to repeat myself, is.... Ready? 2+2=4.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   10:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: PSUSA2 (#66)

judging from the articles you post, you go out of your way to find reasons to vilify blacks.

what is your solution to the problem?

concentration camps, gas chambers and ovens?

oh, but we cant do that, that would damage the holyhoax persection myth, wouldnt it?

...besides, if we can establish a drug manufacturing subculture in the black community, they might accumulate enough money to pay for the weapons we sell them...

so, race wars as a distraction from desperate psychopaths in israel, who control america, and who seem willing to start a global nuke war rather than admit israel was a bad idea in the first place.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   10:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: (#67) (Edited)

i've lived in places where black contempt for white people is obvious, at least in the street people... most often at bus stops, where you were harassed by beggers while you waited to get on a bus that was loaded with everyday blacks who were going to jobs.

it's too damn bad that, given the accomplishments of white culture --most prominent being the ability to sterilize the planet-- contempt of white culture is deserved.

and now we're killing people all over the place, mostly by stirring up hatred between factions and arming those factions.

you got to be a fool if you think the same tactics wont be used in america as we descend into post oil.

anyone who stirs up hatred is a servant of the late stage empire.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   10:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: lead.and.lag (#68) (Edited)

it's too damn bad that, given the accomplishments of white culture --most prominent being the ability to sterilize the planet-- contempt of white culture is deserved.

I disagree with that.

The white race is weak. IMO christianity has played a large role in that. If you want weak people, convince them that they are born as worthless pieces of whale shit, an fit only for 'eternal hell', and that they need a kike savior and the kike god, and by extension the kike race (whatever that is) with their kike scriptures.

This is in addition to whites being builders. Builders are slow to anger and try to get along, for mutual benefit. The mistake is in thinking others are like that too.

One thing we have going for ourselves is that once we are pushed too far, we are merciless. They constantly mistake our kindness for weakness. That mistake will cost them.

And no one here is "stirring up hatred". The hatred is already out there. And it's not an exclusively white hate. Most whites don't even know what niggers and kikes are doing because they don't live around them, and they have other priorities other than their own race's survival. I think they'll learn, but by then it will be too late for most of them.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   13:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: PSUSA2 (#69) (Edited)

no one here is "stirring up hatred".

yeah, you're trying to stir up hatred, all right.

the problem with whites being builders is that white culture is now fatally dependent on resources that are depleting... and it's just too bad that that will become painfully obvious in a few years...

...and i got to say that lots of people, including whites, have been skeptical of the white culture rat race for a long time...

you got to ask yourself about the values of a culture that expects its children to move thousands of miles away in pursuit of a "career", a career that most likely is dependent on infinite supplies of finite raw materials, dependent on destruction of the planet's ability to sustain life.

we've been barking up the wrong tree for a long time now, and no amount of hate is gonna replace those resources or restore the planet or make whites feel better about themselves...

hate can be used, though, to make sure certain people get away with the loot... nevermind that eventually, people will figure it all out.

then there will be hell to pay.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   13:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: lead.and.lag (#70)

the problems with whites being builders is that white culture is now fatally dependent on resources that are depleting... and it's just too bad that that will become painfully obvious in a few years...

No, oil is depleting. I agree on that.

Who is going to come up with alternatives? Some nigger living in a mud hut (or what was a decent house before they moved in) or a white or asian scientist?

There are alternatives, but blocking them is not a matter of race, but the universal love of money and the love of the status quo.

The rest we will never agree on.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   13:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: PSUSA2 (#71)

Who is going to come up with alternatives? Some nigger living in a mud hut...?

what if there are no alternatives?

it could be that white people in the midst of a massive dieoff will come to think a mud hut and a patch of real corn and lots of wild food would look pretty good.

technicians think they can solve any problem... but maybe it's not a problem, maybe it's a predicament.

there's a difference.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   13:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: PSUSA2 (#69) (Edited)

You are insane and assume a class of people who have as much good and bad to them as any other are a dangerous monolithic block of hate and problem.

Life is not like that. People are not like that.

You have allowed your hatred to fester into a boiling cancer of the soul and have lost all human perspective on things. And you will get nowhere, as people will not allow the wholesale theft of their human dignity and rights by such as you.

This has been proved over and over in human history as scapegoated people who others try t turn into a wedge issue to be lynched, enslaved or destroyed alway rise to the occasion and take the merchants of character assassination and hopes of ethnic cleansing on and win.

Which is why you are a minority opinion in this country in a profound way, and always will be.

As far as I am concerned, you should consider me, White, Black, Native American, Chinese, Japanese, Tibetan, or any other human demographic because I am proud to be human, and would die fighting to defend any part of the spectrum of my species against the likes of people like you.

People always have a right even an obligation to criticize other groups and to take them to task to be better in ways they collectively need to improve.

But there should be constructiveness to it that has a foundation and love and caring for others to it.

You have lost the thread to your own humanity, and I hope you get it back. Which is why I slam you for your myopia and viciousness, al the while just pitying you and refusing to hate you back for your hate.

Because one thing I have learned and taken to heart is that opposition to the likes of you should never sink to the same level of cancerous and inhuman intolerance and hatred that people like you manifest and live by.

Because if others and I did, we would in effect be no better off than pitiable you, and others like you.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-04   14:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: lead.and.lag (#72)

Amangla Awetu my friend. Power to the people, all of them anywhere, always.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-04   14:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: lead.and.lag (#72)

what if there are no alternatives?

There are always alternatives.

The alternatives, because they are alternatives, will not support the status quo because that is built on oil, but they will work to keep us alive and kicking.

We lasted a long time without using oil for energy.

it could be that white people in the midst of a massive dieoff will come to think a mud hut and a patch of real corn and lots of wild food would look pretty good.

That might happen. But it won't last. Advancement has been driven by whites, and asians. The problem is, what we build, niggers destroy, and kikes steal for their own uses. They don't build anything worthwhile to whites.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   14:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Ferret (#73)

You're so amusing when you try and take what you think of as the high road.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   14:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: PSUSA2 (#75)

We lasted a long time without using oil for energy.

what was the population of the earth before we started using fossil fuels?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   14:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: lead.and.lag (#77)

It was a whole lot smaller in size of course. Which is one reason humanity gets stressed into war as the laws of diminishing returns bits everyone in their collective asses as people scramble to fight over a smaller pie of this commodity to share.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-04   14:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: PSUSA2 (#76) (Edited)

"You're so amusing when you try and take what you think of as the high road."

Aww, your so cute when you whisper sweet nothings. But honestly son, that sort of cheese is just as ineffective an enticement as anything else you use when you master bait your hate.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-04   14:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Ferret (#78)

stressed into war

there's not a chance in hell that the israelis are not aware of peak oil and global warming.

so it's a double threat... peak oil threatens israel's protection, aka america, and israel must be protected until it completes its ethnic cleansing of high ground in the palestinians west bank.

the main thing, though, is to ensure white people survive in enough quantities to protect askenazi supremacists, who are entitled to run the world because their mothers told them so.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   14:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: lead.and.lag (#77)

I dont know. I could look it up. But it was a lot less than it is now.

We have a lot of knowledge that we gained because of oil. We won't lose that knowledge. All we need is an alternative(s) to using oil. IMO we already have them. We can do it the easy way, by implementing them before the lack of oil is a real concern, or we can do it the hard way, after the fact. Knowing people, I bet we have to do it the hard way. But it will get done.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   14:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: lead.and.lag (#80)

All groups of people should always be proud of their heritage and work to preserve their collective culture; but they should never do it in a way where they are doing what they accuse others falsely of doing.

Hatred and the desire for ethnic cleansing denigrates a people's collective soul and consciousness every bit as much as anything that might threaten to minimize and destroy them as a culture and a people.

Humanity in the larger picture must always strive to lift us all up together, or we will all die in a miserable collection of factions locked in eternal struggle and war as the worst in us tears us apart.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-04   14:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: PSUSA2 (#81)

All we need is an alternative(s) to using oil. IMO we already have them.

lots of people think there are not any alternatives...

if you stop and think about it for a while, you'd have to admit that peak oil and the lack of alternatives explains the situation in the world today.

it always boils down to: where's the beef?

what if there isnt any?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   15:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret (#82) (Edited)

All groups of people should always be proud of their heritage and work to preserve their collective culture

yes, i'm centainly proud to be a white person serving ashkenazi supremacists by stirring up hatred for blacks.

white heritage, recent --the last 200 years-- is unsustainable. period.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   15:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: lead.and.lag (#84)

Well Buck, as much as everything about humans remains the same, all groups are destined to keep evolving and changing.

One thing you can take to the bank; the laws of genetic diffusion will continue relentlessly over the next few centuries - if we don't blow our collective asses up with the nuclear option that is - until most of this land will be a pleasant shade of skin color darker than some would today like to see, and lighter than others in the present hope to see become reality.

Diffusion is a law of physics that works relentlessly and dispassionately, and has way to much gravitas to it than anyone can hope to effectively counter.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-04   15:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Ferret (#85)

Diffusion is a law of physics that works relentlessly and dispassionately

the operative thing here is this: are jews willing to commit suicide and take the rest of the world with them in an attempt to preserve psychopathic israeli culture?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   15:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Ferret (#85)

Well Buck

jesus christ almighty

i hope i'm more coherent than buck.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   15:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: lead.and.lag (#86)

They have factions that oppose the insanity, manipulations and hatred of the worst Zionist fascists among them. I am always hopeful they can breath the life of sanity into the process and turn the direction they are going away from that cliff they are heading for dragging us along like so many doomed freight cars.

But I am pragmatic enough to know things could get a whole lot worse before things get any better.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-04   15:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: lead.and.lag (#87)

You are more articulate than he can be at his worse, but you can't fault a man for letting his curiosity cast a fishing line or two, can you? ;-D

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-04   15:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: lead.and.lag (#83) (Edited)

lots of people think there are not any alternatives...

It doesn't matter what they think.

if you stop and think about it for a while, you'd have to admit that peak oil and the lack of alternatives explains the situation in the world today.

The lack of alternatives and the situation in the world are linked, imo. But the link is those that accumulate money and power for its own sake, and citizens resisting change. It's not because there is a lack of alternatives, but due to their suppression.

Only when there is no other choice will people consider alternatives. It sucks, but that is the way people are. Hell, I don't use alternative energy myself.

If the money that has gone into these senseless fucking wars had gone into producing these alternatives, we'd be sitting pretty right now. Then we could say to the muslims, christians and the kikes "fuck off and die already, we don't need you".

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-04   15:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Ferret (#88)

I am pragmatic enough to know things could get a whole lot worse before things get any better.

yeah, that's a given.

those italians supposedly came up with that power supply that's gonna revolutionize everything.

but that power will never surface because the powers-that-be cant have confiscated it.

sure.

meanwhile, the promoter is a proven con man.

fuck me dead.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   15:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: PSUSA2 (#90)

If the money that has gone into these senseless fucking wars had gone into producing these alternatives, we'd be sitting pretty right now.

we wouldnt be sitting pretty, but we'd know what we were up against.

carter tried to warn us, and that was the end of carter.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   15:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: lead.and.lag (#91)

Well metaphorically they need to be as relentless as say Google is in the face of adversity, and just find a solution to get past such trials and tribulations of the worst thing that is thrown at them.

Saying 'what's the use and giving up is never a good option to take.

Ferret  posted on  2012-01-04   15:35:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Ferret (#93) (Edited)

relentless

people are relentless... they dont mean to be, it's just the way they're built.

it's got something to do with the way truth resonates in people.

it's just the way things are.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   15:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: All (#94) (Edited)

apparently israeli americans, smart israeli americans, are not immune to the truth...

"I, too, am very pessimistic and despaired. We lack now the desire to exist, we lack the patience to exist. We lack Zionism with a capital Z. We've become post-Zionists, the number one enemy of ourselves; yes, I don’t forget it's all because of us. Just because of us. My people has simply gone mad."

Israel's downfall? ynet news

"all because of us..."

shithead

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-04   16:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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