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Title: Ron Paul May Have Secretly Won The Iowa Caucuses
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URL Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/ron- ... -iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201
Published: Jan 4, 2012
Author: Grace Wyler
Post Date: 2012-01-04 13:32:45 by CadetD
Keywords: Iowa, caucus
Views: 574
Comments: 22
DES MOINES — Ron Paul may have officially come in third tonight, but if the campaign's caucus strategy went off as planned, then Paul may actually be the real winner of the first Republican voting contest. That's because Paul's massive organizational push in Iowa focused on both winning votes, and also on making sure that Paul supporters stuck around after the vote to make sure they were selected as county delegates — the first step towards being elected as a delegate to the Republican National Convention. That's because Iowa's Republican caucuses are non-binding — they are technically just a straw poll, so once selected, delegates are free to vote for whichever presidential candidate they choose. "Part of what we've been training the Ron Paul people to do is not to leave after the vote," Dan Godzich, a senior campaign advisor, told BI. "Stay and get elected to the conventions and get us those delegates." Godzich and Sydney Hay, another Paul advisor, crisscrossed Iowa in the weeks leading up to the caucuses, making sure precinct leaders knew what to do and organizing slates of delegates that would ensure Paul walked away with a strong majority, even if he lost the caucus' straw poll vote. By the eve of Election Day, Hay said she was confident that Paul would come away from Iowa with a strong majority of the state's delegates. It's a good first step toward making sure that Paul has a strong presence on the floor in Tampa this summer — something that his supporters believe will help force the Republican party to start reckoning with their Movement. UPDATE: 1:40 a.m. Sources close to the Paul campaign indicated Tuesday that they were happy with their delegate count. Although we couldn't get specific numbers, a source told Business Insider that Paul nailed down the delegates in all of Iowa's smaller counties, and made a strong showing in several larger ones. Poster Comment: Seems encouraging....
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#1. To: CadetD (#0)
Thanks for this new (to me) information on the IA process. It is encouraging news. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Michele if she had it in her to be honest: "When I realized Dr. Paul's balls were this big, and that nothing would get him to pull out, I just had to whine rape and run off the make sure I can be a Congress Critter a little while longer; walking away a little bit funny, with as much dignity as I can muster as I leave the game behind." I don't recall any campaign where there was so much changing of the lead. Everyone has been # 1 at one time or other, only to be shot down. Perry was probably dead-on when he said he should have stayed out of the debates. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Perry gets the consolation prize of proving that he too can be as insane and inarticulate and any other puppet who has worked the Texas Governor's office as an apprenticeship to become head Neocon stooge of this nation. I am proud of the lad for his accomplishment; I just wish he stood a wee bit more downwind with his prize though. He stinks the place up wherever he goes. www.dailypaul.com/199617/...id-ron-paul-just-win-iowa Tim Carney: Did Ron Paul just WIN Iowa? Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Wed, 01/04/2012 LOL! As I've said before, technically & legally, tonight's results are non-binding. And let's truly not kid ourselves: Frothy is completely irrelevant beyond SC. He has ZERO support outside IA, no campaign $$ nor a national organization to speak of. Knew it, that sly ol' Silver Fox! No Long Faces, as the Good Doc always says. Here's why he was actually smiling tonight & why our WINNING strategy is the Caucus Process: "owning" the Delegates: campaign2012.washingtonex...r.com/blogs/beltway-con... "Did Ron Paul just win Iowa?" By Timothy P. Carney Senior Political Columnist COUNCIL BLUFFS, IOWA -- "I think Ron Paul just won Iowa," declared Mark Hansen, Ron Paul's Pottawattamie County coordinator. Here at a bar serving as the unofficial county headquarters of the Paul campaign, Hansen had just conceded that Paul would not win the popular vote in Iowa, but he also pointed out that after the straw polls, the precincts appointed delegates to the county conventions in March -- and that in every precinct in Pottawattamie, at least, two or three Ron Paul supporters volunteered to be delegates, and few other candidates' supporters volunteered. Delegates at the county conventions help select delegates to the state convention, which then select delegates to the Republican National Convention. Technically, tonight's vote was a straw poll, determining no delegates, but setting the tone. The only actions that actually could make a difference in electing delegates to the National Convention heavily favored Paul. Nobody will be watching in June, unless this election gets much more exciting, but Ron Paul might send more Iowa delegates to Orlando than any other candidate." ------------------------------ Ron Paul's Secret Plan to actually Win. www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed...ics/ron-pauls-secret-pl... www.dailypaul.com/199117/...eed-ron-pauls-secret-pl... "Ron Paul’s Secret Plan To Actually Win" Ron Paul -- poised to finish strong in the Iowa caucuses – has begun to implement a quiet, complex plan to force a long battle with Mitt Romney for delegates to the Republican National Convention in August. His advantages: Experience, organization, and the legacy of the 2010 Tea Party revival, which convinced Republicans that anti-government figures like Paul just aren’t as weird as they’d thought. Paul is following the roadmap set by Barack Obama's 2008 strategy: Start early, learn the rules, and use superior organization and devoted young supporters to dominate the arcane but crucial party procedures in states your rivals are ignoring -- states where caucuses and conventions that elect the delegates who will ultimately choose the Republican candidate. The plan begins in places like Minnetonka, Minnesota, a Minneapolis suburb where Paul has based his state headquarters, and where staffers have already begun running “mock-auses” -- practice runs for Minnesota’s February 7 caucuses. Paul’s rivals dismiss his chances. "Ron Paul's not going to be our nominee," Mitt Romney said flatly in December. But Paul’s organization is girding for the long haul, and while the 76-year old Texan is vanishingly unlikely to be the nominee -- primaries in big states like New York and California could shut him out -- observers in the caucus states say they expect Paul to win, and perhaps sweep, dozens of delegates from unexpected corners of the map. Those delegates, in turn, will give him at least a prominent position at the Republican National Convention, and a plausible shot at emerging as a kingmaker if a strong mainstream challenger to Romney emerges..." ---------------------- Remember folks, the Caucuses & Primaries are internal party politics, not general elections. We'll win this. Believe it. Frankly, regardless of whether the IA GOP gamed it, the REAL reason why the Doc's smiling at tonight's speech? He knows HOW to win this. We'll WIN this. Believe it. I truly do now, as of tonight. It's all zen-ing in to me.
Who is this strong mainstream challenger, and how can he just appear out of nowhere at the convention, when all the primaries and caucuses have already concluded?
Ron Paul is still my number one choice. BTW, if elected, he plans on cutting three or four cabinet posts. Not sure which ones, but that will go a long way to cutting the budget. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
That is what I would like to know. They've already put Herman Cain in the junk heap. So, just who does that leave? "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
This is an interesting thing, but the reality is that, in terms of winning the GOP nomination, Ron Paul needs his excellent message to be accepted by twice as many as the vote count showed in Iowa, and even more than that to overpower any fraud that's involved. The best we can hope for might be for this vote count to give his message a chance to be broadcast even more. I expect that will happen as the low end R's drop out and give Ron more speaking time at future debates, and more media attention that they will have to give him. The longer he goes, the less they can call him unelectable without embarrassing themselves in front of everyone.
The political parties can just "draft" somebody due to a populist-fever at the 11th hour of their national conventions if they so desire.
#2. To: Lod (#1)
#3. To: Ferret, 4 (#2)
#4. To: Lod (#3)
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#5. To: CadetD (#0)
#6. To: TwentyTwelve (#5)
Those delegates, in turn, will give him at least a prominent position at the Republican National Convention, and a plausible shot at emerging as a kingmaker if a strong mainstream challenger to Romney emerges..."
#7. To: CadetD (#0)
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#8. To: echo5sierra (#6)
Who is this strong mainstream challenger
#9. To: CadetD (#0)
#10. To: echo5sierra (#6)
Who is this strong mainstream challenger, and how can he just appear out of nowhere at the convention, when all the primaries and caucuses have already concluded?
-Alex Kurtagic
#11. To: Pinguinite (#9)
#12. To: Pinguinite (#9)
I attended the Texas GOP convention back in '08, as a Ron Paul delegate from a rural county where nobody even showed up for the post-election caucus but me. I had to lobby the state party officers to tell my county official to extend a convention invitation to me, which he did. At the point in the convention presentation where all the Texas House of Representatives were introduced on stage to the audience, Dr. Paul was excluded. If he had been allowed on-stage, the roof would've come down with applause as there were very many RP fans in attendance. The establishment can't get away with that sh** now... The best we can hope for might be for this vote count to give his message a chance to be broadcast even more.
#13. To: CadetD (#12)
My whole family was at that convention in Houston, in 2008.
#14. To: CadetD (#0)
Looks like votes may have been shaved to the Santorum side of the equation. Drudge had a poll of IA voters where Paul was over 60% and the next closest candidate was Romney at 21%. The remaining candidates totalled the balance of approx 20%. Funny that all of the dregs were screaming that a Paul win should be ignored in IA or that the IA caucus would lose credibility if Paul won. Looks to me like socialist Romney and Zionist Santorum think IA is relevant. 
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again."
"However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." [Josiah Stamp]
#15. To: echo5sierra (#13)
Yes, I heard your father say that on-air. My whole family was at that convention in Houston, in 2008.
#16. To: noone222, All (#14) (Edited)
cnsnews.com: Ron Paul Won All Age Brackets Under 40 in Iowa Caucuses, Says Entrance Poll In the Comments section of that article, poster bop says: Looks like votes may have been shaved to the Santorum side of the equation.
I checked the Iowa caucus results by county on caucus night at about 4:30 am EST and was very surprised to see that both Romney and Paul had won a relatively few, but very populous, counties while Santorum had virtually swept the sparsely populated counties of the hinterland. Then I realized that by rolling over the map, the vote breakdown in each county was revealed. It looked like a common template of candidates had been used throughout wherein Romney was listed first, then Paul and then Santorum a couple of places farther down. The order was Romney first, Paul second regardless of whether Romney or Paul won a particular county. However, in the counties where Santorum won, two names (and two names only) were switched in the list. Santorum was listed directly after Romney and Paul was listed in the spot where Santorum had been. The switch was immediately apparent and quite striking. By morning, the listings had been changed - results ranked most votes to least in descending order masking what was clearly seen in the earlier template. The counted results did not match the polling right up to causus night. I will surmise, however, that if Santorum and Paul totals are switched in all reportedly Santorum-won counties, that the expected statewide results of Paul about 30% and Santorum about 15% would be matched. The counties out in the hinterland would also be the ones with older voters and with fewer resources to really secure their vote tallies.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#17. To: GreyLmist (#16)
The old folks just keep on screwing us. Among the 26 percent of caucus-goers who told the entrance poll they were 65 or older, Romney won 33 percent. Santorum finished second with 20 percent, followed by Gingrich at 17 percent, Perry at 13 percent and Paul at 11 percent.
"[Ron Paul is] the only one who understands our problems. For the rest of them, it’s like a geography bee — name the country, and they want to fight them,” - Jason Nunn
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#18. To: CadetD (#15)
My sister met her husband there. It is amazing how men will change from neo-con to Ron Paul booster for girls.
#19. To: Critter (#17)
There is a lot of truth in this, I regularly eat lunch with 6 to 10 men who were and are professors at a local college. 4 to 8 of them are older than 77 years old and they are so rigid in their ways that Ron Paul would not even register on their radar. And I live in Paul's home state of Texas. I see it first hand how the old folks through their complete and utter trust of the MSM are going to put the final nail in our collective coffin of this once great United States of America. The old folks just keep on screwing us
It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
#20. To: GreyLmist (#16)
That's very interesting especially if there were others listed above Paul with less votes than Paul. However, in the counties where Santorum won, two names (and two names only) were switched in the list. Santorum was listed directly after Romney and Paul was listed in the spot where Santorum had been. The switch was immediately apparent and quite striking.
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again."
"However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." [Josiah Stamp]
#21. To: noone222, All (#20)
More examples of probable Iowa vote fraud discussed in this video. Also, voting by a public count of raised hands, not secret ballots, as a way to guard against vote theft. You Can't Make A Deal with The Devils: Alex Jones Iowa Report 3/3
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#22. To: GreyLmist (#21)
If it's FEDERAL it's criminal. The PTB aren't going to allow a Ron Paul victory. The people have tolerated this criminal syndicate in D.C. for far too long. Voting doesn't mean shit.
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again."
"However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." [Josiah Stamp]
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