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Title: The GOP's Albatross Ron Paul's Views on Israel Could Boomerang on All
Source: The Forward
URL Source: http://forward.com/articles/148980/ ... etter_Mon_Thurs%25202012-01-06
Published: Jan 5, 2012
Author: Gal Beckerman
Post Date: 2012-01-05 12:56:16 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Jewish, angst, Israel, First
Views: 282
Comments: 22

The first votes in the 2012 elections have now been cast by the good people of Iowa, the beneficiaries of this quadrennial honor. And though the caucuses are often not the best indicator of what will happen as the primary contest proceeds — let’s not forget the triumphs there of Mike Huckabee and Pat Robertson — it does tell us something about what Republican voters are feeling in their kishkes. This year in Iowa, the caucuses have forced the political world — and the Jewish political world in particular — to confront a problem called Ron Paul.

As for Paul’s actual support among Republicans, Iowa made it clear that there is a three-man race for the ideological soul of the party, and Paul can lay claim to a sizable chunk of voters who think he represents its future. These were voters who were able to overlook the accumulating evidence that Paul let his name sit atop a newsletter that included articles expressing some pretty vile nods toward xenophobia, racism and anti-Semitism. They overlooked his popularity among white supremacists and other fringe groups with dangerous ideas. And, maybe most disturbingly, they overlooked Paul’s own flip dismissal when asked to contend with this history.

But let’s put aside the question of these parasitic fish that Paul has clearly allowed to swim around him for a long time. Let’s turn just to the question of his proudly held extreme isolationism and related views on Israel. Paul has talked of cutting off aid and would let Israel fend for itself against the Iranian nuclear threat. Even more worrisome, those closest to him say that he has a real animus toward Israel and the Zionist project. (This is a man who compared Gaza to a “concentration camp” in 2009.)

Here’s how his senior aide for over a decade, Eric Dondero, characterized Paul’s views: “He is… most certainly anti-Israel, and anti-Israeli in general. He wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all. He expressed this to me numerous times in our private conversations. His view is that Israel is more trouble than it is worth, specifically to the America taxpayer. He sides with the Palestinians, and supports their calls for the abolishment of the Jewish state, and the return of Israel, all of it, to the Arabs.”

Dondero also said Paul didn’t think the United States should have entered World War II simply for “saving the Jews.”

For all these reasons, Paul has been condemned by the Republican Jewish Coalition and was not invited to its candidate forum in early December. Matthew Brooks, RJC’s executive director, said Paul had been rejected for his “misguided and extreme views.”

But why has the RJC stopped short of condemning Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, the other big winners in Iowa and the front-runners going forward?

Professed Israel-lovers both of them, they have each said that they would unequivocally vote for Paul if he was their party’s nominee. Romney stated it more enthusiastically and Santorum said it would cause him “a lot of heartburn,” but both said they would hypothetically pull the lever for Paul if it came to it.

This is a problem. The party that makes a point of wearing its pro-Israel bona fides on its sleeve and that has a strategy of gaining Jewish votes by targeting Barack Obama’s supposedly destructive policies toward Israel now has this albatross around its neck. Paul himself might not come close to the White House, but he has now tainted candidates like Romney and Santorum and the rest of the Republican establishment who refused to repudiate him.

One can understand that politics makes for strange bedfellows and these candidates could not run the risk of alienating Paul supporters if they hoped to later gain their backing in a general election. But this also shows a lack of principle.

There is also hypocrisy here. Jewish Republicans have chosen to simply whistle to themselves and look the other way as their favored candidates volunteer that they would vote for someone whose views on Israel they consider noxious.

Iowa has left this stain on the electoral race. Maybe in the end it’s an important lesson for those Jewish Republicans to learn: As much as these candidates profess their devotion to Israel — rooting for an attack on Iran or claiming the Palestinians don’t really exist — in the end these are politicians and they will do what politicians tend to do in elections. They say what they have to say in order to win.

Read more: http://www.forward.com/articles/148980/#ixzz1ibh1Qy6X


Poster Comment:

Curioser and curioser. The Tribe, at least the hard core, are wringing their hands in angst over Ron Paul. Interesting are the attempts throughout the article to associate Ron Paul with things that the Forward's readership would find unpalatable. This suggests a couple of things: 1. There are a fair number of Jews who like Ron Paul and that worries the Israel First establishment. 2. The attempt, which has come to be a standard canard, that Ron Paul is an isolationist. Of course non-intervention is not the same as isolationism but but the uninformed, and easily swayed, among the Sheeple (sadly a very large number), do not understand the very marked distinction between not getting involved and raising the drawbridge and living behind the moat. This suggests to me that a lot of the anti-Paul sentiment is being bought by money provided by the rabid ZioNAZIs who put Israel Uber Alles.

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#1. To: All (#0)

I think the hidden story here is that there is a growing awareness among a lot of people who formerly bought into the "anti-semitic" smear lines and campaign against anyone raising questions about Israeli influence in American elections - particularly on the national level.

The upshot being that the actions of the ZioNAZIs is accruing to the detriment of all Jews many of which are indifferent to the ZioNAZI state or even opposed to its actions, as are a growing number of decent people everywhere.

The major source point for the creation of anti-semitism is Israel and the actions of the government of the State of Israel - which is populated mostly by atheists and communists - with a few fascists thrown in for good measure. David Ben-Gurion was both a Russian and a Communist - as was much of the founding leadership of Israel - a bunch of Bolshevik Terrorists who traded on their Jewish ethnicity to play for sympathy and support - very cynically I might add.

The more I follow this issue, and those related, the more insane it gets. Enough already! We all have to live together on this little mud ball and instead of playing insane games that kill millions of people and create endless misery can we please grow up and get along instead? Is that too much to ask?

RON PAUL 2012 - VIVA LA RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-05   13:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Here’s how his senior aide for over a decade, Eric Dondero, characterized Paul’s views

Disgruntled ex staff member who was FIRED. And has been sniping at Ron ever since.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-01-05   15:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, All (#1)

Cross-referencing 4um Title, SoCal Jewish Leaders Call For GOP Upstart Ron Paul To Clarify Views On Israel, Post #16:

Former opponents discuss Ron Paul’s racist newsletters

Wednesday, December 28, 2011

Dondero recently published an account including his thoughts on Ron Paul and the racist newsletters. He wrote that while many of the Paul’s views are old-fashioned or eccentric, Paul is neither a racist nor an anti-Semite.

“I worked for the man for 12 years, pretty consistently,” Dondero writes. “I never heard a racist word expressed towards Blacks or Jews come out of his mouth. Not once. And understand, I was his close personal assistant.”

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-01-05   16:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#0)

This suggests to me that a lot of the anti-Paul sentiment is being bought by money provided by the rabid ZioNAZIs who put Israel Uber Alles.

Hit the nail on the head imo

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-05   17:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2012-01-05   17:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach (#2)

Here’s how his senior aide for over a decade, Eric Dondero, characterized Paul’s views

Disgruntled ex staff member who was FIRED. And has been sniping at Ron ever since.

And a likely plant into the campaign to begin with.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-05   17:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ghostdogtxn (#5)

Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of the stranglehold AIPAC has on our politicians.

It should have been ended long ago because AIPAC is nothing more than an extension of Israel and it's efforts to subvert our government for their ends.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-05   17:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#7) (Edited)

AIPAC is nothing more than an extension of Israel and it's efforts to subvert our government for their ends.

And they take our foreign aid money, turn around and use it to buy congressmen.... it's beyond sick and it caused James Trafficant to go to prison for seven years because, like Ron Paul, he had elephant balls and went after foreign aid for Israel

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-05   17:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: intotheabyss (#8)

AIPAC is nothing more than an extension of Israel and it's efforts to subvert our government for their ends.

And they take our foreign aid money, turn around and use it to buy congressmen.... it's beyond sick and it caused James Trafficant to go to prison for seven years because he had elephant balls and went after foreign aid for Israel

Trafficante's most serious crime was to dare to speak the truth about the leach at America's throat. Israel is not a country, it is a pathology.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-05   17:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#9)

Israel is not a country, it is a pathology.

Well put and I agree

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-05   17:52:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: intotheabyss (#10)

Thanks.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-05   17:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GreyLmist (#3)

Dondero recently published an account including his thoughts on Ron Paul and the racist newsletters. He wrote that while many of the Paul’s views are old-fashioned or eccentric, Paul is neither a racist nor an anti-Semite.

“I worked for the man for 12 years, pretty consistently,” Dondero writes. “I never heard a racist word expressed towards Blacks or Jews come out of his mouth. Not once. And understand, I was his close personal assistant.”

He should tell that to all the other people who inhabit his head/mind and who post on LP (commonly referred to as fifty screen names).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-01-05   18:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#6)

And a likely plant into the campaign to begin with.

Most likely.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-01-05   18:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#0)

...Ron Paul's Views on Israel Could Boomerang on All

If Israel were turned to glass tomorrow it would have zero, nada, no effect on the people of the United States. If truth be told, it would likely make the world a better and more peaceful place.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-01-05   18:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14)

If Israel were turned to glass tomorrow it would have zero, nada, no effect on the people of the United States. If truth be told, it would likely make the world a better and more peaceful place.

I hope you don't mind, I felt compelled to make a few alterations to your statement:

If Israel were turned to glass tomorrow it would make the world a better and more peaceful place.

Ahhh! much better ;)

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-05   18:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: intotheabyss (#15)

If Israel were turned to glass tomorrow it would make the world a better and more peaceful place.

There will NEVER be peace on Earth if Israel has their way.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2012-01-05   18:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TwentyTwelve (#16)

That is the MO of the children of Cain.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-05   18:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TwentyTwelve, 4 (#16)

There will be no peace on earth until the Prince of Peace returns.

Until then (whenever that may be) it will continue to be Satan's playground.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-05   18:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: intotheabyss (#15)

I hope you don't mind, I felt compelled to make a few alterations to your statement:

If Israel were turned to glass tomorrow it would make the world a better and more peaceful place.

Ahhh! much better ;)

LOL! No problem. Unfortunately, there is no money to made in peace so the Congressional-military-security-industrial complex would find some African bushmen to demonize.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-01-05   18:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)

Very true, there would always be a conflict, enemy or some other rallying point to guide the sheep down the "shearers chute".

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-05   18:47:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Lod (#19)

What chaps my hide is that in years past an individual who "knew the score" so to say, could move out to the country, build them a house, live off the land and be self sufficient.

Today with property taxes, the bureaucracy's and them poisoning the very air we breath, there is no escape and we are forced to "live under their thumb". I for one am so tired of their unfettered march down this road of total domination. I guess death is our only escape unless Jesus comes back soon.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-05   18:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Lod (#18)

There will be no peace on earth until the Prince of Peace returns.

Until then (whenever that may be) it will continue to be Satan's playground.

You nailed it with that. And it will continue to get worse. See

2 Timothy 3:13 for confirmation of that statement.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-01-05   20:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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