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Title: GOV. INVESTS 3.4 BILLION TO DE-POPULATE THE U.S.
Source: Federal Jack
URL Source: http://www.federaljack.com/?p=146557
Published: Jan 6, 2012
Author: Popeye
Post Date: 2012-01-06 20:48:31 by Original_Intent
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Keywords: Eugenics, death, destruction, Psychopaths
Views: 1224
Comments: 110

(Miss American for FederalJack)   Imagine a scenario where the government subsidizes (bribes) a corporation to force you, under some shady implied mandate,  to accept a newly invented Gizmo for your car.  The corporation tells you everyone “must have one”, “you don’t have any choice”, and if you refuse your car will cease to operate and be confiscated.  You feel a little nervous and skeptical since you never heard of this Gizmo and your friends haven’t either.  The corporation tells you that his Gizmo is going to save you money on your fuel bill, conserve the world’s energy, and help to save the earth from your morbidly overweight carbon footprint.  You feel somewhat bewildered because no one has ever ambushed you like that, telling you that you must comply with something you never heard of, and you’d like a bit of time to think about it. But, the next day you come out the door to leave for work and see that the Gismo has already been installed on your car, and all your neighbor’s cars as well.  You all get to talking and figure ‘oh well we all have to have it anyway and we’ll be saving money’, so you get in your car and head to work while your mind goes to the workday ahead of you.  Over the next week, for some reason you feel sick and lightheaded when you arrive at the office, but soon the feeling passes, and you get on with the days work.

One afternoon on the way home, you look down and are shocked that you need gas already!  Usually you can go a whole two weeks on a tank of gas since you live near the office.  But this time your tank is near empty after just ten days, and on top of it you have that sick feeling again.  “Hey, I thought I was supposed to save gas with this Gizmo”!  When you get home you feel so bad you just head to bed.  But in a few minutes the phone rings and wakes you up.  It’s Joe, the neighbor.  He tells you that the Gizmo on his car blew up, but the man at the corporation told him it must have been something that was already wrong with his car that made the Gizmo blow up and the repairs are on Joe’s dime.  He’s really ticked off, since everything was fine before the Gizmo went on.  He also tells you that the repair is really going to hurt since he was out sick for the last few days without pay.  And to make matters worse they want him to pay hundreds to replace the Gizmo.

A few days later you feel really rotten and instead of driving to work you head straight to your Doctors office.  He doesn’t know what is wrong, so he orders blood work and sends you to the drugstore for medicine.  You figure you’ll go into work and do a short afternoon and go home to bed.   On the way home you toot the horn at your friend who’s filling up at the gas station.  He doesn’t wave back and looks mad.  By the time you get home you feel even sicker, even though you started the medicine the doc prescribed.  You glance at the newspaper and see the headline that George, who lives at the end of the street has died in a car fire.  The fire chief is investigating and the man at the corporation says it absolutely wasn’t caused by the Gizmo.  You start to become worried.  Could it be the Gizmo?  You’d heard someone say it wasn’t tested for safety.  But the corporation said it passed federal standards.

You just want to lie down and sleep now, but the phone rings.  It’s Wanda, Joe’s friend.  She said she’s scared and doesn’t want to have the Gizmo put on her old car because of what happened to Joe, but the corporation said they would take her car, and she needs her car to go to work.  She wants to know what to do.   You tell her it doesn’t look like she has any choice since there’s no bus service in her area. She starts to cry and hangs up.  You now have a crashing headache and collapse in bed. The next day on the way to work, you think you’re feeling a bit better.  As you approach the red light you see police cars and a bunch of people.  Some of them have signs saying “stop forced Gizmos”, some are being tazed and arrested, and  you see a bunch of cars lined up at the “get your Gizmo here” store, There’s a car on the side of the road with the hood up and a man sticking his head in the engine where smoke is streaming out.  A little further down the street you see a cop driving away in a new Corvette and a man stranded there with his “Refuse Gizmos” sign.  “Oh my God” you think. What should I do?  You feel sick as hell.  Frantic, you pull over and look around inside your car for something to vomit in.

You head back to the doctors since you’re sure something is terrible wrong.  He tells you he can’t find anything wrong and tells you it’s all in your head.  You sit in your car wondering if you are going nuts, when you see that you need gas again.  While you’re filling your tank and digging for your last money before payday, your phone rings.  It’s your elderly next door neighbor Ester, asking if you can give her a ride to her doctor.  She’s really sick and the corporation took her car.  The Gizmo was making her ill so she took it off herself after they said they absolutely would not remove it.  It finally dawns on you that the Gizmo is making yousick and you want it off.  When you finally get to work you call the corporation and tell them you want the Gizmo off the car because it’s making you so sick that you’re missing work.  The man says he’ll see what he can do and that he’ll call you back.  You swear to yourself that you’ll get a lawyer and sue the pants off of them.  Yea!  You’ll get a class action suit going!!  That will stop this insanity!

You stay home the next day waiting for the man to call, but he never does.  By now, you are livid and drive down to the corporation, feeling more sick by the minute.  The man comes out, walking toward you with a smirk on his face.  You demand that he take his Gizmo off your car and reimburse you for the extra gas the Gizmo used, your sick time off work, the doctor visit and the medicine.  He says ‘I’m really sorry, there’s nothing I can do”.  You tell him you want to see his boss.  He laughs and says ‘I am the boss’.   You are ready to blow.  He says “look, here’s what I can do.  Maybe you got a bad Gizmo.  I’ll put a reconditioned one on and I bet you’ll be fine.  It’s not the Gizmo making you sick.  They are safe and you will save money”   You tell him you know the Gizmos have a bad design and they are all defective, and you know they never even tested them for safety.  The man gets a knowing smile on his face and walks away……….

WHAT THIS STORY REPRESENTS is the dangerous fiasco called The Smart Grid, the installation of so-called wireless Smart Meters on every home in America, and the attitude and demeanor of the utilities towards their customers.  States, utilities, and corporation commissions were awarded (bribed) with shares of a 3.4 billion dollar grant (giveaway) from the ’09 stimulus fund (our money) to implement this program.  It is all a part of the sovereign ending, goodbye America, UN Agenda 21 treaty.  If or when it is complete, it will be another part of the complete control matrix over every persons life, our movements, activities, and in this area, our energy usage.  This program has been rolled out with no public education, notice, or input, and it didn’t take long for the huge problems with it to surface and for the people to resist.  It is being sold as a money saver for ratepayers, a way to conserve the world’s energy, and supposedly to help save the environment. (Sure, a better environment that will literally soak communities in radiofrequency radiation, at a time when cities, schools, and public places are removing wi-fi and moving cell towers because of the danger!)  And let us not forget that Agenda 21 is heavily weighted with de-population ideals, for a sustainable earth.  You know, sustainable is always good.  While Americans are enduring and grieving the slow grinding death of our nation, we’ve had to helplessly watch as our elected ‘leaders’ openly steal and pillage the last of our freedoms and wealth.  They spent what’s left of our own money to build a fortress of protection against us, and will do whatever is necessary to silence, control, intimidate, jail or eliminate their ‘enemy’.  This happy talk Smart Grid reveals its true evil purpose in the arrival of an innocent looking guy called the ‘installer’.  And once his work is done, you will know that you have come face to face, toe to toe, with the true face of tyranny.  You will realize, as you call for help, that everyone, right down to your local town council, or county sheriff, will not stand up to the monster, will not do anything but watch, as you slip below the surface and expire.  They think they will be safe if they go along with the monster, that they will keep their place on the pedestal far above you, oblivious to the fact that they are next.   The utilities know exactly who to target first.  The ones with the smallest voice and the lowest bank accounts.  I would bet my life that the fleet of installer’s trucks have yet to enter the avenues of Beverly or Hollywood Hills.

One of the ‘benefits’ for the utilities is that they will be able to eliminate hundreds of thousands of meter reader jobs.  Hey, we’re all for more unemployed fellow Americans since we were the ones paying for them, right??.  But wait!  We won’t be saving that money!  Instead, that money will now go to the extra electricity the meters use to operate themselves, checking your usage every few seconds and wirelessly sending data between meters, antennas, towers, and back to the electric co.

High level engineers and electrical experts are highly critical of these meters for many different reasons.   For one, they are not UL safety approved. WHY?  Manufacturers have not revealed the drawings and schematics for the meters. WHY?  (secret recipe?) They say that much of the energy they use will be wasted. WHY? (they don’t care maybe, because you pay for it?)  As opposed to good old analog meters, digital meters are switch-mode technology, creating what is called ‘dirty electricity’ each time they switch modes to read your usage, which is constantly. The dirty electricity stays in the wiring and interior of your home and is as dangerous as the pulsing radiation the meters send outward.   So the power co. needs to know every 4-10 seconds how much electric you’re using?  WHY?  Utilities, and the public utility commissions who are supposed to regulate them, admit they chose to by-pass human and environmental safety testing.  WHY??  (What are they afraid of finding and what’s the big hurry?)  Utilities are hiding the laboratory testing results of the meter’s functions.  WHY?

Many people object to what they see as an invasion of their privacy.  They say the meters are spying and wire tapping devices.  Others fear that when the grid network is complete, the power co. will be able to regulate your appliances or arbitrarily shut your power off if you are not good little boys and girls.  Some people worry about the security of their private information and who the power co. may share it with or sell it to without their consent.  The utilities know how Americans love their gadgets, so they are selling the Smart idea that you’ll be able to turn things up or down, on or off from your cell phones while you’re at work, or just check you usage.  But who else will be able to hack into your signals and know when you are not home or turn off your meat freezer? Apparently even certain government officials are concerned that there’s no one in charge of the overall security of the grid since utilities themselves are supposed to create their own systems, and to monitor and maintain the cyber security of the grids they have built.  Lovely!  In today’s greedy corporate culture, that ought to work out real well.  Corporate self policing.  Can you say ‘banking system’?  77% of IT security professionals are concerned about Smart Grid cyber security. Even the ex CIA chief is ‘slamming’ the smart grid.  By the way.  I haven’t heard about any of the money going for actual repairs, upgrades, or hardening of old or worn out parts of the electrical infrastructure.  But that’s how we do thing now in Amerika.  Pave right over all the cracks and potholes without fixing them first.  This whole plan sounds like a bunch of 3 yr. olds playing with their Legos, while dollar signs dance in their eyes.

But my whole problem with this debacle, which leads back to the title of the article, is the sneaky, covert, slimy, lying, mafia-like way in which the utilities are conducting themselves.  In their blood thirsty quest for profits (mainly for the guys at the top), they have been brutally ignoring the THOUSANDS (8000 as of last June) of health complaints, most of them exactly the same curiously, that have been filed since their meters were installed; denying responsibility for fires and explosions that happened right away or soon after the meters were put on homes and businesses; threatening elderly or disabled (AND the general public) with electric shut-offs if they don’t want the meters; absolutely refusing to replace analog meters for people who literally have to leave their homes because they are so sick;  having home owners arrested for blocking the installations; threatening to jail people who out of desperation had the Smart Meters removed on their own and analog meters put back on; blowing people off who’s bills skyrocketed after the new meter went on, telling them their old meter was defective and now the billing is correct; outright lying about the amount of radiation the meters produce, even referring to them as AMRs now (Automatic Meter Read devices) and dropping the word Smart; installing meters when people have posted the sign “do not install smart meter here” or returning later when the occupants aren’t home to defy their wishes; using untrained sub contractors in unmarked trucks who put advanced meters on old homes with inadequate wiring; refusing to pay for ruined home appliances, TVs, or computers from voltage surges; faulting a homeowner’s existing wiring or elec. panel, even when people have video of the meter on fire; denying responsibility when people DIE in the meter caused fire.  Yet the installations of Smart Meters marches on.  The more people who find out about this, the faster they install.  I think this is the most unbelievable and outrageous assault on Americans I’ve seen in my entire life. Argentina or Costa Rica anyone??  I’m packed and ready to go.

There has been a huge public outcry, demanding a halt to the program.  Cities and counties (AND the state of Hawaii) have banned the installation of the grid or meters. Studies have shown there is no cost savings whatsoever.  Independent studies have shown the meters to be far in excess of the stated level of pulsing and radiation, and the FCC’s guidelines.  Doctors continually state that these FCC guidelines are far too high, woefully outdated, and were set way before all the wireless technology came into use.  And this is the lame leg on which the utilities stand on?? (which is their continuing talking point).  Even though the health effects of radiation and radio frequencies (RFs) have been studied for 50 years, and the symptoms of harm well documented and published, yet the utilities continueto maintain there is no proof of harm.  I’ve studied enough of the research documents myself to know this is a flat out lie.  The FCC themselves state that they only create guidelines for things like radio stations, radar, and phone frequencies and do not regulate health guidelines.  And the EPA says “that FCC guidelines are only for radiation frequencies that heat or burn the skin during a short exposure, and they do not imply the safety of any mechanism at lower levels or long term exposure”.  I won’t go into the list of all the health repercussions of being zapped with PULSING radiofrequency radiation waves and bathing in dirty electricity.  You can research that on your own.  I can tell you from my own experience that it is NOT pleasant.  I’m living with 4 of them, and fighting it daily.  None of it is good, but the pulsing is much more damaging to your body than a steady current.  Suffice to ask you: do you like your DNA in one piece, or shredded to bits?

I stumbled upon an unclassified Army research document that goes into deep detail about how to use RFs as a control weapon and exactly which levels and the amount of force and direction needed to create the desired effect “in the enemy”, and it will affect 100% of the targets.  The Smart Meters are a perfectly designed and refined weapon based on that research.  Just the kind ‘they’ like.  The ‘slow-kill, you can’t blame me’ weapon that they are famous for.  Vaccines, poison food, chemtrails, mercury and fluoride to name a few others.  The absolute determination of the utilities and their minions to force every single person, no matter the pain or consequences, to endure their plot is the giveaway.  THEY WANT US DEAD!    See the military document for yourself: www.RefuseSmartMeters.org


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#70. To: lead.and.lag (#67)

Define reputable source.

i guess we'd have to form a group to decide on reputable sources.

we could vote, and maybe as as check

You are still trying to evade the question with vague generalities: I'll repeat the question:

Define reputable source.

That is not a difficult question - except to those who would find it "awkward" to no longer be able to discount every data source as not reputable.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   2:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: lead.and.lag (#69)

but you need to appeal to some authority or other...

you dont seem to be capable of devising a way of doing it all yourself... nope, you got to believe that, because there's no authority you trust, we have to take your word, and you have a proven record of being untrustworthy.

So, again all you have to fall back on is Argumentum Ad Hominem, and Strawman Arguments.

So, you erect the strawman, couch it in insults, and then pretend as though your argument is honest.

Really quite dreadfully amusing. I've seen the tactic so many thousand times that I no longer even have to pause to identify it.

Oh, and you still haven't answered the question you are so studiously avoiding:

Define reputable source.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   3:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Original_Intent (#70) (Edited)

Define reputable source.

a reputable source of samples would be multiple samples of multiple "chemtrails", which would not be hard to acquire since you people are so certain you know "chemtrails" from contrails.

a reputable source of lab results would come from multiple labs, some chosen by reputation, some chosen at random, and portions of each sample would be submitted to different labs, blind.

you cant get beyond the appeal to authority, can you?

in your mind, there's no "authority" that qualifies as a "reputable source", so we have to take your word for it, even though you have such a poor reputation, and you get your conclusions and opinions from people who cant furnish evidence or provenance, and seemingly believe in everything from chupacabras to grey aliens, from sasquatch to buildings on mars.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-07   3:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: lead.and.lag (#72) (Edited)

in your mind, there's no "authority" that qualifies as a "reputable source"

Excellent. You are learning. Argument by appeal to authority is one of the classic logical fallacies and is absolutely contrary to the Scientific Method. I am quite pleased that I don't practice it. I do have people whom I respect and I trust to tell the truth as they see, but I also still decide for myself. I operate on data, the best I can find. In the real world it there is not always one unambiguous source and so one has to rely upon their own reasoning ability and trust their ability to sort through data looking for what is significant and what is not.

And the more I learn the more I recognize the fundamental truth in Socrates comment: "All I know is that I know absolutely nothing." Of course for his time Socrates was a very learned man, but his point, as I see it, is that the more one knows the more one is aware of how much they do not know.

However, my definition of a reputable source was not the question and you know it. My question pertains to what you regard as a "reputable source".

So, define reputable source. Who or what do you view as a reputable source?

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   3:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Original_Intent (#73)

Scientific Method.

how big are the particles of ...whatever... in "chemtrails"?

20 microns (very fine spray)... 100 microns (fine spray)... 5 microns (fog)?

how long does it take one of those particles to fall to earth from 35,000 feet?

what are the winds aloft?

where will those particles fall?

have you done your homework?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-07   3:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: lead.and.lag (#74)

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

I do not have to know or have readily accessible every particular of a phenomena to observe it exists. I do not have to have conducted a complete study to observe that rain is wet nor that it exists. You are employing a disinformation tactic. Why do you feel it necessary to employ disinformation tactics?

You are still evading the question.

What do you define as a reputable source?

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   4:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Original_Intent (#75)

I do not have to have conducted a complete study to observe that rain is wet nor that it exists.

nope, you dont.

all you have to do is believe dingbats like alex jones, jeff rense, george noory, art bell, and this new dingbat.

you cant be bothered to dig around for real evidence, because you know what you know, based on information provided to you by dingbats.

good enough.

you dont know how big the "chemtrail" particles supposedly are... but if they're fog-sized, guess how many hours it will take them to fall to earth from 36,000 feet...?

where would those particles wind up?

in that article posted by Bill D Berger, why are th links dead? ...where did the samples come from? ...what's the reputation of the lab? ...why do you find jeff rense to be a reputable source?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-07   4:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Original_Intent (#75) (Edited)

dont you think it's likely that some newly-made billionaire would like to hang around long enough to enjoy his loot?

dont you suppose that somebody, somewhere, would finance a real investigation of "chemtrails" if there was such a thing?

and why cant you guys make up your minds about the purpose of "chemtrails"?... first it's population control, but the population is still growing... then it's geoengineering to fight global warming, but that doesnt work so good either, does it?

not when "chemtrails" exist and global warming doesnt, according to the dingbats.

so you're in a little pickle... no evidence, no motive you can agree on, no nothing but the word of professional dingbats who apparently admit there's a deliberate campaign to dumb down americans.

what they cant admit is that they're part of that campaign.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-07   4:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#70)

lots of smart meter/radiation clips on ytube -

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-07   10:08:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: lead.and.lag (#76)

all you have to do is believe dingbats like alex jones, jeff rense, george noory, art bell, and this new dingbat.

Delightful - you start right off with a disinformation tactic:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

At this point you seem to be clutching at turds trying to do anything but examine the evidence or go look for yourself.

You accuse others of intellectual laziness while you continue to repeat the same disinformation tactics over and over and over and over again ...

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   13:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Lod (#78)

Yes a grounded shield will stop one meter. The problem of course is all of your neighbors meters which are unshielded and transmitting microwave soup all over the neighborhood. The real solution is to get rid of the "Smart Meters".

Dr. Bill Deagle, even though he got rid of his, is still going ahead with his lawsuit. SDG&E/Sempra did cave when he hit them with enough evidence that the microwave transmitters in "Smart Meters" pose a documented health risk, but he wants them gone. Devvy Kidd is doing the same thing in her area of Texas, and other activist groups are beginning to get wise. Although it really only takes one case where the court rules in favor of the Plaintiff before the dam breaks and the utilities start rushing like a herd of frightened cattle to get rid of them before they get sued to death.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   13:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: lead.and.lag (#77)

dont you think it's likely that some newly-made billionaire would like to hang around long enough to enjoy his loot?

Money is not a source of either wisdom or knowledge.

Why is Bill Gates such a big financial supporter of the Doomsday Seed Vault in Svaalbard?

dont you suppose that somebody, somewhere, would finance a real investigation of "chemtrails" if there was such a thing?

That is not an answer it is a speculation and is an attempt to divert people from looking and confuse the issue.

The data is what the data is and presence or absence of support from any one particular individual does not change the observed phenomena even one little bit. Again, you are engaging in disinformation tactics.

Why do you find it necessary to engage in disinformation?

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   13:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: lead.and.lag (#77)

Oh, and for the record you are still trying to avoid my one simple question which you have spent the last 20 or so posts rabidly avoiding:

What or Who do you consider a reputable source?

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   13:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Lod (#78)

I wish they had done one more test with the aluminum foil connected to a ground wire. That would have dropped the emissions even further.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   14:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Original_Intent (#79)

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

I bet the disinfo hierarchy had to write some new chapters in recent years to deal with guys as knowledgeable as you and others. I would love to see the prescribed tactics for people of your ilk. I'm sure they are fairly intricate.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   14:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: intotheabyss (#84)

Thanks for the nice words. I would like to think, rather immodestly, that they have given up on me. The problem for a disinformationist is that they have only so many tactics and falsities that they can use, and once you learn them, and how to spot them in different camouflaged forms, it becomes rather easy, if tedious at times, to pull their fangs. About the only thing they can achieve with me anymore is to waste my time because sometimes I feel bound to counter the disinformation and point out what they are doing. I am glad that I took Symbolic Logic in college though as it makes spotting the false arguments much easier.

Disinformation has become a big problem on the 'net as there are government stooges of various flavors - CENTCOM, State Department, all of the different Israbots, Intelligence agencies, etc., ... , the various "volunteers" (mostly Zionists) as well as "hired gun" Public Relations agencies that will, for a fee, launch their disinformation team to attack people pointing out corporate misdeeds. It has even been spotted on audiophile forums where some hired schmuck will come in and talk down the competition's equipment. I saw one article several years ago, don't know how accurate it was, that estimated that the minimum number of disinformation people on the 'net worldwide at 40,000 - a small army.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   14:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Original_Intent (#85)

I saw one article several years ago, don't know how accurate it was, that estimated that the minimum number of disinformation people on the 'net worldwide at 40,000 - a small army.

A rather formidable force, but I'm cynical enough to have thought the number to be much higher than that.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   15:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: intotheabyss, christine, all (#86)

I saw one article several years ago, don't know how accurate it was, that estimated that the minimum number of disinformation people on the 'net worldwide at 40,000 - a small army.

A rather formidable force, but I'm cynical enough to have thought the number to be much higher than that.

Oh, it may well be, and likely is, more than 40,000 - the article was about 2005 and the number of disinformation operatives seems to have expanded almost exponentially.

If you want to see what happens to a forum when the disinfo people are given complete freedom and protection take a look at "Liberty Post" and FreepTard Republic. Both are ruled by disinformation with the likely, probable, collusion of the owner of the forum. They are seething cauldrons of hate, false data, and even falser conclusions. Black PR lines rule the roost and any attempt to combat the false data is treated as a banning offense.

The foregoing is why I am so happy to have 4um around. While I may not agree with everybody on every point all the time - the disinformationist population is kept in check by christine - which is much appreciated.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   15:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Original_Intent (#87)

The foregoing is why I am so happy to have 4um around. While I may not agree with everybody on every point all the time - the disinformationist population is kept in check by christine - which is much appreciated.

I'm in complete agreement, this forum is a quantum leap above most of the message boards/forums out there. Free speech is king and the troll/shill/cointelpro is kept to a minimum.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   15:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: intotheabyss (#88)

Anymore when I take a look at such cesspools as LibertyIsrael First Post, or FreepTardia it makes me cringe. The flood of disinformation and irrationality is like being swept over by a wave of sewage.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   15:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Original_Intent (#89)

Would they allow this video?:

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   15:30:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: intotheabyss (#90)

Highly unlikely. Anything which points to the degree of manipulation and that it is even occurring is treated as a threat. We live in a society where a lot of social control is dependent upon information control. By controlling what a person knows you control how they perceive the world. Historian and Documentarian James Burke pointed out "what you see is determined by what you know, and when that changes everything changes". Of course he was talking about the history of science and culture but the principle applies broadly. By controlling, through the media, what the general public "knows" they are thought controlled. People cannot, and do not, see things which their knowledge says do not exist.

"The media has told me UFOs don't exist therefore, all evidence to the contrary, they do not."

Or as the French Academy said of meteorites, "Rocks do not fall from the sky," and that reasoning ruled for a good many years, until the knowledge changed and then people could see that, yes, meteorites do exist.

There are still people who believe Saddam Hussein had Nookulur Weapons and that he just transported everything out of the country at the last minute to embarrass George the Lesser.

There have been any number of falsehoods planted in our society through controlling the flow of information. Take for example Israel. Israel has been the aggressor in every war they have fought, but the information control in the U.S. Media says otherwise and people believe the disinformation to be true. That is breaking down only because the internet has been somewhat successful in breaking the information blockade and countering the spin.

It is like photographs of apparent structures, and remnants of life forms, on the Moon and Mars. NASA says they do not exist, and the media repeats that as a mantra and anyone who believes their own eyes and see in the photographs what is clearly present is, of course, a kook.

So, information control, and its power, is very real.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   15:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#80)

Dr. Bill Deagle, even though he got rid of his, is still going ahead with his lawsuit. SDG&E/Sempra did cave when he hit them with enough evidence that the microwave transmitters in "Smart Meters" pose a documented health risk, but he wants them gone. Devvy Kidd is doing the same thing in her area of Texas, and other activist groups are beginning to get wise. Although it really only takes one case where the court rules in favor of the Plaintiff before the dam breaks and the utilities start rushing like a herd of frightened cattle to get rid of them before they get sued to death.

Thanks for some good news.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good meter to test our personal exposure?

Our electric bills have gone down with the new meter: the last bill was for $35 and change.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-07   15:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: intotheabyss, 4 (#83)

Do we know if the meters can be read through the foil?

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-07   15:52:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Original_Intent (#91)

There have been any number of falsehoods planted in our society through controlling the flow of information.

They figured this out a long time ago and John Swinton warned us years after their control had been in place.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   15:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Lod (#93)

What happens with an ungrounded shield is that is becomes an attenuated antenna to some degree. Of course the emitted energy is a lot less, some is still there until you ground it.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   15:58:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: intotheabyss, 4 (#94)

Would lead be a better shield?

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-07   15:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: intotheabyss (#94)

The father of it all was Edward Bernays all the way back in the 'teens and twenties. If you are not familiar with him he studied under his Uncle, Sigmund Freud, and came up with the idea of applying Psychology/Psychiatry to controlling public perceptions. He became one of the most successful, and wealthiest, advertising men on Madison Avenue. One of his great coups was to expand the number of smokers among women - to boost tobacco company profits. One of his stunts was done during a Suffragette Parade where he marshalled a troop of women to march while smoking, which was not particularly socially acceptable at the time, christening them "The Torches of Liberty Brigade".

If you haven't read it a long, but very informative, article was written by a Naturopathic Doctor who was interested in combating medical misinformation. The article is titled:

Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   16:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Lod, intotheabyss, 4 (#96) (Edited)

Would lead be a better shield?

Not really. You want to run the microwave signal to ground and lead is not very conductive. Much more expensive, but very effective, would be a piece of Mu Metal (an alloy which is used in shielding sensitive electronic equipment from stray magneto-electric fields) which is then grounded to the earth.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   16:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Original_Intent (#97)

I'm familiar with Edward Bernays but look forward to checking out the link you provided. Thanks

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   16:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: intotheabyss (#99)

You're welcome.

HUNNERT!

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   16:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: all (#100)

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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-01-07   16:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#101)

You are going to have to share this video with Michael Rivero, he really degrades anyone who talks about this issue. I don't listen to anything he says anymore. He is obviously compromised.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   16:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Lod, intotheabyss, 4 (#93)

Do we know if the meters can be read through the foil?

Yes, since what they are reading is the amount of microwave emmissions getting through the foil. You could try a before and after, but as was pointed out by ita the shield will be more effective if you use a ground wire. You can also buy RF shielding drapes and even an anti-RF coating that you can mix with paint the next time you redo your walls and ceiling. There is also a ceramic crystal you can add to the paint as well which will enhance your wall's "R" factor - so you could do both at once or in different layers say if you applied one coat of one over the other. However, the RF shielding paint should also be grounded to be most effective.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   16:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Original_Intent (#103)

Thanks for the tips.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-07   17:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Lod (#104)

You are most welcome.

Here is an online store that sells EMF products - including meters: www.lessemf.com/

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   18:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Original_Intent (#105) (Edited)

Thanks again for the linkage.

It's really, really sad when we have to protect ourselves from our local utilities and our .govs at the same time.

I despise all of them.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-07   18:13:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: intotheabyss, Original_Intent (#102)

Anyone who thinks contrails and chemtrails are the same thing is either insane or a simpleton.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-01-07   20:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: wudidiz (#107)

Anyone who thinks contrails and chemtrails are the same thing is either insane or a simpleton.

My thoughts exactly

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   20:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Lod (#106)

Thanks again for the linkage.

It's really, really sad when we have to protect ourselves from our local utilities and our .govs at the same time.

You're welcome.

Yes, it is a shame that we have to protect against whatever threats dreamed up by the monsters in our government. In this case the utilities are just an extension - amoral men and women drawn in by the offer of more loot. And they are amoral. I took an economics class taught by the economist for one of the local utilities (bastard graded on a curve - only "B" I ever got in Economics) and just the few oblique references to the attitudes prevalent among the upper levels of the corporacy was enlightening to say the least.

We now live in a very sick and corrupt society and all of the big chunks have floated to the top.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   21:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Original_Intent (#109)

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-09   18:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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