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Title: GOV. INVESTS 3.4 BILLION TO DE-POPULATE THE U.S.
Source: Federal Jack
URL Source: http://www.federaljack.com/?p=146557
Published: Jan 6, 2012
Author: Popeye
Post Date: 2012-01-06 20:48:31 by Original_Intent
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Keywords: Eugenics, death, destruction, Psychopaths
Views: 1380
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(Miss American for FederalJack)   Imagine a scenario where the government subsidizes (bribes) a corporation to force you, under some shady implied mandate,  to accept a newly invented Gizmo for your car.  The corporation tells you everyone “must have one”, “you don’t have any choice”, and if you refuse your car will cease to operate and be confiscated.  You feel a little nervous and skeptical since you never heard of this Gizmo and your friends haven’t either.  The corporation tells you that his Gizmo is going to save you money on your fuel bill, conserve the world’s energy, and help to save the earth from your morbidly overweight carbon footprint.  You feel somewhat bewildered because no one has ever ambushed you like that, telling you that you must comply with something you never heard of, and you’d like a bit of time to think about it. But, the next day you come out the door to leave for work and see that the Gismo has already been installed on your car, and all your neighbor’s cars as well.  You all get to talking and figure ‘oh well we all have to have it anyway and we’ll be saving money’, so you get in your car and head to work while your mind goes to the workday ahead of you.  Over the next week, for some reason you feel sick and lightheaded when you arrive at the office, but soon the feeling passes, and you get on with the days work.

One afternoon on the way home, you look down and are shocked that you need gas already!  Usually you can go a whole two weeks on a tank of gas since you live near the office.  But this time your tank is near empty after just ten days, and on top of it you have that sick feeling again.  “Hey, I thought I was supposed to save gas with this Gizmo”!  When you get home you feel so bad you just head to bed.  But in a few minutes the phone rings and wakes you up.  It’s Joe, the neighbor.  He tells you that the Gizmo on his car blew up, but the man at the corporation told him it must have been something that was already wrong with his car that made the Gizmo blow up and the repairs are on Joe’s dime.  He’s really ticked off, since everything was fine before the Gizmo went on.  He also tells you that the repair is really going to hurt since he was out sick for the last few days without pay.  And to make matters worse they want him to pay hundreds to replace the Gizmo.

A few days later you feel really rotten and instead of driving to work you head straight to your Doctors office.  He doesn’t know what is wrong, so he orders blood work and sends you to the drugstore for medicine.  You figure you’ll go into work and do a short afternoon and go home to bed.   On the way home you toot the horn at your friend who’s filling up at the gas station.  He doesn’t wave back and looks mad.  By the time you get home you feel even sicker, even though you started the medicine the doc prescribed.  You glance at the newspaper and see the headline that George, who lives at the end of the street has died in a car fire.  The fire chief is investigating and the man at the corporation says it absolutely wasn’t caused by the Gizmo.  You start to become worried.  Could it be the Gizmo?  You’d heard someone say it wasn’t tested for safety.  But the corporation said it passed federal standards.

You just want to lie down and sleep now, but the phone rings.  It’s Wanda, Joe’s friend.  She said she’s scared and doesn’t want to have the Gizmo put on her old car because of what happened to Joe, but the corporation said they would take her car, and she needs her car to go to work.  She wants to know what to do.   You tell her it doesn’t look like she has any choice since there’s no bus service in her area. She starts to cry and hangs up.  You now have a crashing headache and collapse in bed. The next day on the way to work, you think you’re feeling a bit better.  As you approach the red light you see police cars and a bunch of people.  Some of them have signs saying “stop forced Gizmos”, some are being tazed and arrested, and  you see a bunch of cars lined up at the “get your Gizmo here” store, There’s a car on the side of the road with the hood up and a man sticking his head in the engine where smoke is streaming out.  A little further down the street you see a cop driving away in a new Corvette and a man stranded there with his “Refuse Gizmos” sign.  “Oh my God” you think. What should I do?  You feel sick as hell.  Frantic, you pull over and look around inside your car for something to vomit in.

You head back to the doctors since you’re sure something is terrible wrong.  He tells you he can’t find anything wrong and tells you it’s all in your head.  You sit in your car wondering if you are going nuts, when you see that you need gas again.  While you’re filling your tank and digging for your last money before payday, your phone rings.  It’s your elderly next door neighbor Ester, asking if you can give her a ride to her doctor.  She’s really sick and the corporation took her car.  The Gizmo was making her ill so she took it off herself after they said they absolutely would not remove it.  It finally dawns on you that the Gizmo is making yousick and you want it off.  When you finally get to work you call the corporation and tell them you want the Gizmo off the car because it’s making you so sick that you’re missing work.  The man says he’ll see what he can do and that he’ll call you back.  You swear to yourself that you’ll get a lawyer and sue the pants off of them.  Yea!  You’ll get a class action suit going!!  That will stop this insanity!

You stay home the next day waiting for the man to call, but he never does.  By now, you are livid and drive down to the corporation, feeling more sick by the minute.  The man comes out, walking toward you with a smirk on his face.  You demand that he take his Gizmo off your car and reimburse you for the extra gas the Gizmo used, your sick time off work, the doctor visit and the medicine.  He says ‘I’m really sorry, there’s nothing I can do”.  You tell him you want to see his boss.  He laughs and says ‘I am the boss’.   You are ready to blow.  He says “look, here’s what I can do.  Maybe you got a bad Gizmo.  I’ll put a reconditioned one on and I bet you’ll be fine.  It’s not the Gizmo making you sick.  They are safe and you will save money”   You tell him you know the Gizmos have a bad design and they are all defective, and you know they never even tested them for safety.  The man gets a knowing smile on his face and walks away……….

WHAT THIS STORY REPRESENTS is the dangerous fiasco called The Smart Grid, the installation of so-called wireless Smart Meters on every home in America, and the attitude and demeanor of the utilities towards their customers.  States, utilities, and corporation commissions were awarded (bribed) with shares of a 3.4 billion dollar grant (giveaway) from the ’09 stimulus fund (our money) to implement this program.  It is all a part of the sovereign ending, goodbye America, UN Agenda 21 treaty.  If or when it is complete, it will be another part of the complete control matrix over every persons life, our movements, activities, and in this area, our energy usage.  This program has been rolled out with no public education, notice, or input, and it didn’t take long for the huge problems with it to surface and for the people to resist.  It is being sold as a money saver for ratepayers, a way to conserve the world’s energy, and supposedly to help save the environment. (Sure, a better environment that will literally soak communities in radiofrequency radiation, at a time when cities, schools, and public places are removing wi-fi and moving cell towers because of the danger!)  And let us not forget that Agenda 21 is heavily weighted with de-population ideals, for a sustainable earth.  You know, sustainable is always good.  While Americans are enduring and grieving the slow grinding death of our nation, we’ve had to helplessly watch as our elected ‘leaders’ openly steal and pillage the last of our freedoms and wealth.  They spent what’s left of our own money to build a fortress of protection against us, and will do whatever is necessary to silence, control, intimidate, jail or eliminate their ‘enemy’.  This happy talk Smart Grid reveals its true evil purpose in the arrival of an innocent looking guy called the ‘installer’.  And once his work is done, you will know that you have come face to face, toe to toe, with the true face of tyranny.  You will realize, as you call for help, that everyone, right down to your local town council, or county sheriff, will not stand up to the monster, will not do anything but watch, as you slip below the surface and expire.  They think they will be safe if they go along with the monster, that they will keep their place on the pedestal far above you, oblivious to the fact that they are next.   The utilities know exactly who to target first.  The ones with the smallest voice and the lowest bank accounts.  I would bet my life that the fleet of installer’s trucks have yet to enter the avenues of Beverly or Hollywood Hills.

One of the ‘benefits’ for the utilities is that they will be able to eliminate hundreds of thousands of meter reader jobs.  Hey, we’re all for more unemployed fellow Americans since we were the ones paying for them, right??.  But wait!  We won’t be saving that money!  Instead, that money will now go to the extra electricity the meters use to operate themselves, checking your usage every few seconds and wirelessly sending data between meters, antennas, towers, and back to the electric co.

High level engineers and electrical experts are highly critical of these meters for many different reasons.   For one, they are not UL safety approved. WHY?  Manufacturers have not revealed the drawings and schematics for the meters. WHY?  (secret recipe?) They say that much of the energy they use will be wasted. WHY? (they don’t care maybe, because you pay for it?)  As opposed to good old analog meters, digital meters are switch-mode technology, creating what is called ‘dirty electricity’ each time they switch modes to read your usage, which is constantly. The dirty electricity stays in the wiring and interior of your home and is as dangerous as the pulsing radiation the meters send outward.   So the power co. needs to know every 4-10 seconds how much electric you’re using?  WHY?  Utilities, and the public utility commissions who are supposed to regulate them, admit they chose to by-pass human and environmental safety testing.  WHY??  (What are they afraid of finding and what’s the big hurry?)  Utilities are hiding the laboratory testing results of the meter’s functions.  WHY?

Many people object to what they see as an invasion of their privacy.  They say the meters are spying and wire tapping devices.  Others fear that when the grid network is complete, the power co. will be able to regulate your appliances or arbitrarily shut your power off if you are not good little boys and girls.  Some people worry about the security of their private information and who the power co. may share it with or sell it to without their consent.  The utilities know how Americans love their gadgets, so they are selling the Smart idea that you’ll be able to turn things up or down, on or off from your cell phones while you’re at work, or just check you usage.  But who else will be able to hack into your signals and know when you are not home or turn off your meat freezer? Apparently even certain government officials are concerned that there’s no one in charge of the overall security of the grid since utilities themselves are supposed to create their own systems, and to monitor and maintain the cyber security of the grids they have built.  Lovely!  In today’s greedy corporate culture, that ought to work out real well.  Corporate self policing.  Can you say ‘banking system’?  77% of IT security professionals are concerned about Smart Grid cyber security. Even the ex CIA chief is ‘slamming’ the smart grid.  By the way.  I haven’t heard about any of the money going for actual repairs, upgrades, or hardening of old or worn out parts of the electrical infrastructure.  But that’s how we do thing now in Amerika.  Pave right over all the cracks and potholes without fixing them first.  This whole plan sounds like a bunch of 3 yr. olds playing with their Legos, while dollar signs dance in their eyes.

But my whole problem with this debacle, which leads back to the title of the article, is the sneaky, covert, slimy, lying, mafia-like way in which the utilities are conducting themselves.  In their blood thirsty quest for profits (mainly for the guys at the top), they have been brutally ignoring the THOUSANDS (8000 as of last June) of health complaints, most of them exactly the same curiously, that have been filed since their meters were installed; denying responsibility for fires and explosions that happened right away or soon after the meters were put on homes and businesses; threatening elderly or disabled (AND the general public) with electric shut-offs if they don’t want the meters; absolutely refusing to replace analog meters for people who literally have to leave their homes because they are so sick;  having home owners arrested for blocking the installations; threatening to jail people who out of desperation had the Smart Meters removed on their own and analog meters put back on; blowing people off who’s bills skyrocketed after the new meter went on, telling them their old meter was defective and now the billing is correct; outright lying about the amount of radiation the meters produce, even referring to them as AMRs now (Automatic Meter Read devices) and dropping the word Smart; installing meters when people have posted the sign “do not install smart meter here” or returning later when the occupants aren’t home to defy their wishes; using untrained sub contractors in unmarked trucks who put advanced meters on old homes with inadequate wiring; refusing to pay for ruined home appliances, TVs, or computers from voltage surges; faulting a homeowner’s existing wiring or elec. panel, even when people have video of the meter on fire; denying responsibility when people DIE in the meter caused fire.  Yet the installations of Smart Meters marches on.  The more people who find out about this, the faster they install.  I think this is the most unbelievable and outrageous assault on Americans I’ve seen in my entire life. Argentina or Costa Rica anyone??  I’m packed and ready to go.

There has been a huge public outcry, demanding a halt to the program.  Cities and counties (AND the state of Hawaii) have banned the installation of the grid or meters. Studies have shown there is no cost savings whatsoever.  Independent studies have shown the meters to be far in excess of the stated level of pulsing and radiation, and the FCC’s guidelines.  Doctors continually state that these FCC guidelines are far too high, woefully outdated, and were set way before all the wireless technology came into use.  And this is the lame leg on which the utilities stand on?? (which is their continuing talking point).  Even though the health effects of radiation and radio frequencies (RFs) have been studied for 50 years, and the symptoms of harm well documented and published, yet the utilities continueto maintain there is no proof of harm.  I’ve studied enough of the research documents myself to know this is a flat out lie.  The FCC themselves state that they only create guidelines for things like radio stations, radar, and phone frequencies and do not regulate health guidelines.  And the EPA says “that FCC guidelines are only for radiation frequencies that heat or burn the skin during a short exposure, and they do not imply the safety of any mechanism at lower levels or long term exposure”.  I won’t go into the list of all the health repercussions of being zapped with PULSING radiofrequency radiation waves and bathing in dirty electricity.  You can research that on your own.  I can tell you from my own experience that it is NOT pleasant.  I’m living with 4 of them, and fighting it daily.  None of it is good, but the pulsing is much more damaging to your body than a steady current.  Suffice to ask you: do you like your DNA in one piece, or shredded to bits?

I stumbled upon an unclassified Army research document that goes into deep detail about how to use RFs as a control weapon and exactly which levels and the amount of force and direction needed to create the desired effect “in the enemy”, and it will affect 100% of the targets.  The Smart Meters are a perfectly designed and refined weapon based on that research.  Just the kind ‘they’ like.  The ‘slow-kill, you can’t blame me’ weapon that they are famous for.  Vaccines, poison food, chemtrails, mercury and fluoride to name a few others.  The absolute determination of the utilities and their minions to force every single person, no matter the pain or consequences, to endure their plot is the giveaway.  THEY WANT US DEAD!    See the military document for yourself: www.RefuseSmartMeters.org


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#10. To: Esso (#7) (Edited)

I wouldn't waste too much time on that, It's a dead end. There's very little useful info about electric meters out there. And the electric companies won't talk either. I ended up buying a couple of reconditioned meters on eBay and tested them to see what the hell they were actually measuring.

I would love to look at the internals on one of the new meters. I was a equipment engineering tech. at Texas Instruments for many years and am familiar with a myriad of electrical equipment more high tech than electrical meters. All you can measure in a circuit is impedance, capacitance, RF, voltage, amperage and so on... wattage is not one you can measure, it is a result of several like voltage and amperage, the product of.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lead.and.lag (#9)

i mean... how dead can you get?

kind of like being sort of pregnant?

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: intotheabyss (#11) (Edited)

sort of pregnant?

i guess you could make the case that the gigantic global omnipresent horrendously expensive, top secret and nonexistent chemtrail project is failing to reduce global population, seeing as how we just passed seven billion...

...so now we're poisoning people with radio waves.

good deal.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-06   23:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lead.and.lag (#8)

when he's already being poisoned by chemtrails?

You would love his show, he talks about these things.

He was the doctor in Oklahoma City when the Murrah building was blown up. He can tell you they used micro nukes, he measured the radiation.

We have a government run by psychopaths

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:24:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: intotheabyss (#13)

You would love his show...

probly not

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-06   23:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lead.and.lag (#12)

You can't differentiate between a aerosol trail and a contrail?

Are you saying you have not seen the "chemtrails"?

If your stance is that they don't exist, I respect that but it then becomes pointless to discuss it.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: intotheabyss (#15)

they don't exist

poor baby chemtrail enthusiasts...

are you trying to say that none of these shysters can afford to hire a little jet and go up to take samples of a "chemtrail"?

alex jones, for instance, must be rolling in dough, but he cant afford a couple thousand bucks to give us the proof we need to save ourselves?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-06   23:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: intotheabyss, Esso (#6)

What was the frequency of the RF he measured? How did he know it was emminating from the meter?

I don't know the frequency off hand.

But as for "did he know it was emanating from the meter?" I have spoke to him on several occasions and if you don't know Dr. Deagle, let me enlighten you. He is what most would call a super genius. He once memorized Pi to 300 decimal places for fun of it and he can recite all the biological pathways for almost every known disease. Also having a degree in physics, I'm fairly sure he knew the source of the RF he was measuring. Do your self a favor and check out his stuff, he is all over the web.

Dr. Deagle is expert in Radiation Medicine and the effects of radiation on human tissue. He worked as a Doctor in the field and has written more than one Paper on the subject.

If I recall correctly the frequency was 2200 Megahertz @ 3 watts - which many times more than the milliwatts of the typical cellphone transmitter.

And he knows what he is doing with an RF Meter.

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-06   23:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: intotheabyss (#15)

dont you think it's kinda comical that alex jones, today, has some woman on harping about the deliberate attempt to dumb down the american population, when alex jones himself is one of the leading dumber-downers?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-06   23:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lead.and.lag (#16)

poor baby chemtrail enthusiasts...

are you trying to say that none of these shysters can afford to hire a little jet and go up to take samples of a "chemtrail"?

So, you don't respect my opinion or others for that matter if they don't line up with yours, you devolve to name calling... poor baby and shysters.. wow!

So what's your motivation I would love to know, is it money or do you enjoy antagonizing people?

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lead.and.lag (#18) (Edited)

dont you think it's kinda comical that alex jones, today, has some woman on harping about the deliberate attempt to dumb down the american population, when alex jones himself is one of the leading dumber-downers?

I do find it odd that he will not discuss the Zionist issue. Maybe it's because his wife is Jewish.

But you are correct in the sense that he DOES NOT TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH. Of that I am sure.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: intotheabyss (#19) (Edited)

you don't respect my opinion

if there's such a massive effort to depopulate the planet, how come we just passed seven billion in population?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-06   23:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: intotheabyss (#10)

I would love to look at the internals on one of the new meters. I was a equipment engineering tech. at Texas Instruments for many years and am familiar with a myriad of electrical equipment more high tech than electrical meters. All you can measure in a circuit is impedance, capacitance, RF, voltage, amperage and so on... wattage is not one you can measure, it is a result of several like voltage and amperage, the product of.

Then you should well know that wattage is a function of power output i.e., it tells you how much energy is either consumed by or transmitted by a device. You might be able to blow smoke up the ass of someone who isn't trained in the field but you ain't sellin' here. Having worked on large installations and systems costing in the hundreds of millions of dollars (as the Lead Tech) I have a little experience in the area too.

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-06   23:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lead.and.lag (#21)

if there's such a massive effort to depopulate the planet, how come we just passed seven billion in population?

It would be much higher if it were not for their programs of sterilization and female hormone mimickers in many consumer products. The sperm count of men younger than 25 has dropped remarkably. Bisphenol A is in most of the plastic and in the printer ink. The elite are obsessed with population control if you take the time to read their papers on the subject.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#22)

So you are saying that wattage is not a function of the voltage and the amperage of the circuit?

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lead.and.lag, intotheabyss, FormerLurker, All (#22)

Oops. Meant to direct that to lead.and.lag.

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-06   23:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: intotheabyss, lead.and.lag, All (#24)

So you are saying that wattage is not a function of the voltage and the amperage of the circuit?

I did not say that, but I did not use the formula, and knowledge thereof, as lag was trying to drag a Red Herring across the trail to create confusion and lend authority to a fallacious line of reasoning.

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-06   23:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: intotheabyss (#23) (Edited)

so chemtrails as a population control method are a failure, so now we're poisoning people with cell phones and smart meters.

makes perfect sense to me.

when will people start dying off from using their cell phones and smart meters, and when will they die off in sufficient quantities to overcome the population increase?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-06   23:48:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: lead.and.lag (#27)

so chemtrails as a population control method is a failure, so now we're poisoning people with cell phones

I never claimed that chemtrails are for population control.

But it remains a mystery to me how people such as yourself are unable to see them.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: intotheabyss, lead.and.lag (#23)

It would be much higher if it were not for their programs of sterilization and female hormone mimickers in many consumer products. The sperm count of men younger than 25 has dropped remarkably. Bisphenol A is in most of the plastic and in the printer ink. The elite are obsessed with population control if you take the time to read their papers on the subject.

But that would require him to set aside his prejudices and preconceptions and actually examine the evidence rather that firing opinions from the nether regions. How unreasonable can you get? /Sarcasm

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Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-06   23:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: intotheabyss (#28)

I never claimed that chemtrails are for population control.

oh.

what are they for, then?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-06   23:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lead.and.lag (#30) (Edited)

what are they for, then?

So, let me get this straight. If we find a unicorn in your house and I can't explain how it got there, then it must not exist.

Your logic is far too sound for me, I give.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-06   23:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: intotheabyss (#31) (Edited)

I give.

okay.

in the meantime, do you have any estimate about when the cell phones and RF will start killing people off in quantities that will satisfy the elites' requirement for population reduction?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-07   0:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#29)

But that would require him to set aside his prejudices and preconceptions and actually examine the evidence rather that firing opinions from the nether regions. How unreasonable can you get? /Sarcasm

Three options are the most probable.

1. He is thoroughly conditioned by MSM

2. He has a career he does not want to share openly ;)

3. He is mentally challenged.

Now it could also be a combination of several of these.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   0:01:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: intotheabyss (#10)

All you can measure in a circuit is impedance, capacitance, RF, voltage, amperage and so on... wattage is not one you can measure, it is a result of several like voltage and amperage, the product of.

Right. On those electric meters I messed with, they were basically a current driven clock motor. It was actually kind of surprising they worked. It's been a few years since I looked at them, but as I recall, they were basically just a loop of heavy wire that generated a magnetic field dependant how much current flowed through them which drove the aluminum disc as an armature which rotated the clock movement. The ABB units I got had an odometer type movement rather than the counter-rotating dials used around here.

As a test reference I used a digital Wattmeter which measures Watts, apparent Wattage, frequency, power factor, kWh and voltage. As loads I used a high Wattage incandescent light bulb and a motor with a piss poor power factor, about .5, I think. It didn't matter how far out of phase the voltage & current were since it was just measuring current flow, so it would only log true Watt hours, not the apparent watt hours.

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Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
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Esso  posted on  2012-01-07   0:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: lead.and.lag, intotheabyss (#16)

are you trying to say that none of these shysters can afford to hire a little jet and go up to take samples of a "chemtrail"?

Chemtrail Lab Analysis - Virulent Bio-Toxin Soup

So far some of the chemicals that were collected from the chemtrail spray and lab tested is:

1. Bacilli & Molds

2. Pseudomonas Aeruginosa

3. Pseudomonas Florescens

4. Bacilli Amyloliquefaciens

5. Streptomyces

6. Enterobacteriaceae

7. Serratia Marcscens

8. Human White Blood Cells

9. A restricter enzyme used in research labs to snip and combine DNA

10. Enterobacter Cloacae

11. Other bacilli and other toxic molds capable of producing heart disease and meningitis, as well as acute upper respiratory and gastrointestinal distress.

12. JP-8 Jet Fuel = Ethylene Dibromide

# 2. Pseudomonas Aeruginosa = Respiratory tract infection by the ubiquitous bacterium. Cancer and burn patients also commonly suffer attack from this organism. Unlike other bacteria that reside in the environment, P. aeruginosa has a remarkable capacity to cause disease.

Pseudomonas has the ability to adapt and thrive in many ecological niches, including humans.

Once infections are established, P. aeruginosa produces a number of toxic proteins which cause not only extensive tissue damage, but also interfere with the human immune system's defense mechanisms.

These proteins range from potent toxins that enter and kill host cells at or near the size of colonization to degradative enzymes that permanently disrupt the cell membranes and connective tissues in various organs. P. aeruginosa successfully colonizes the respiratory tract. One reason is that it produces a highly protective capsule made of the mucoid polysaccharide alginate.

This allows the bacteria to resist engulfment by immune systemcells and better adhere to the lining of the lungs. It is likely that antibiotics cannot effectively eradicate Pseudomonas from the lungs because of this protective capsule. In addition, some Pseudomonas strains can inactivate the drugs that threaten them by using enzymes to modify the drug.

# 7. Serratia Marcescens is a significant opportunistic human bacterial pathogen. This microorganism has been shown to be the cause of many life-threatening diseases such as pneumonia, meningitis and endocarditis.

It is one of the major causes of hospital-acquired infections.

The seriousness of a S. marcescens infection is compounded by the fact that it is very resistant to most commonly used antibiotics, thus making treatment difficult. In this study one of the factors contributing to the antibiotic resistance of S. marcescens will be examined.

In order for an antibiotic to kill or inhibit growth of bacteria it must penetrate the outer surface or membrane and enter the bacterial cell which is very difficult.

I hope some of this helps you to better understand what we are fighting against.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-01-07   0:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Esso (#34)

It works on the "Hall effect". EMF the electo motive force drives the disk. The greater the amperage the greater the force. Pretty cool stuff.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   0:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Bill D Berger (#35)

Hi Bill - thanks for the data and the input. As we both know shills are factually averse to anything contrary to the talking points. ;-)

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-07   0:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lead.and.lag (#21)

if there's such a massive effort to depopulate the planet, how come we just passed seven billion in population?

I dunno, maybe if it wasn't for the JIZ killing people off we'd be at 50 billion. The banksters killed about 2 million last year in this country.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
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Esso  posted on  2012-01-07   0:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Bill D Berger (#35) (Edited)

Chemtrail Lab Analysis - Virulent Bio-Toxin Soup

now Bill D Berger is saying that chemtrails are for population control as intotheabyss says they're NOT for population control...

how come you guys cant get on the same page?

and can you give us an idea how and when the samples were collected, and provide a chain of custody of those samples?

because a contrail can drift hundreds, maybe thousands of miles before they settle to earth... if you take samples from the ground, you may be scooping up stuff that floated in from a chemical factory.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-07   0:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Esso (#34) (Edited)

As a test reference I used a digital Wattmeter which measures Watts, apparent Wattage, frequency, power factor, kWh and voltage.

This is where the confusion lies. Test equipment will do the calculation internally to display wattage, I have used such equipment at T.I. But it is based on the "measurements" of volts and amperage. If you have a dedicated piece of test equipment used only for a specific machine and a specific section, it can be set up to display wattage by just clamping a wire because the voltage is known and the scale on the device is set to that known voltage vs. amperage measured. But when measuring an unknown circuit, you have to have two measurements to find out what the wattage is.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   0:11:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: intotheabyss, lead.and.lag (#15)

You can't differentiate between a aerosol trail and a contrail?

Are you saying you have not seen the "chemtrails"?

Nothing to see here....just go back to sleep lead.

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Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-01-07   0:12:52 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lead.and.lag (#39)

Blah, blah, blah...yada, yada, yada...

Local News Station Confirms Barium In Chemtrails

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-01-07   0:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Bill D Berger (#42)

Blah, blah, blah

what was the temperature, altitude and humidity of the air those planes were flying though?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-07   0:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Bill D Berger (#41)

You can't fool me those are just contrails ;)

Yea! If you can't see them, you are either blind, dumb or lying.

Of course these are all photo shopped....

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   0:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lead.and.lag (#43) (Edited)

what was the temperature, altitude and humidity of the air those planes were flying though?

Never in the history of aviation have contrails been that persistant prior to 1985. Oh, I know they changed the fuel...oppps that would not do it, because it is a function of humidity and temperature differential... so why are they "off the chain" persistant? Our atmoshere has been altered by aliens...yea, thats it.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-07   0:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lead.and.lag, intotheabyss (#18)

dont you think it's kinda comical that alex jones, today, has some woman on harping about the deliberate attempt to dumb down the american population,

Oh, you mean Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt, former Senior Policy Advisor in the U.S. Department of Education in the Reagan Administration?

Yea....that's just one of them whacky conspiracy theories dag nub it.

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

Charlotte Iserbyt has put her great exposé of the dumbing-down agenda of American education on the Internet, so that anyone can now read it and download it free of charge. The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America is a big book and so very important that anyone interested in the future of this country must read it.

I wrote a Foreword for the book that basically explains what Charlotte achieved by her incredible research based on documents she took out of the files of the Department of Education in Washington, where she worked as a Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI) during the first Reagan administration.

She is the consummate whistleblower, with an overwhelming sense of responsibility as a public servant and a parent. Here’s the essence of what I wrote:

Charlotte Iserbyt is to be greatly commended for having put together the most formidable and practical compilation of documentation describing the “deliberate dumbing down” of American children by their education system.

Anyone interested in the truth will be shocked by the way American social engineers have systematically gone about destroying the intellect of millions of American children for the purpose of leading the American people into a socialist world government controlled by behavioral and social scientists.

Mrs. Iserbyt has also documented the gradual transformation of our once academically successful education system into one devoted to training children to become compliant human resources to be used by government and industry for their own purposes.

This is how fascist-socialist societies train their children to become servants of their government masters.

...when alex jones himself is one of the leading dumber-downers?

Too funny...Alex has woken up more people to the NWO, the rampant police state, encroaching tyranny than any one else.

Granted, he isn't perfect but he has done more in his 30-some years than you can ever hope to accomplish.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-01-07   0:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: intotheabyss (#44)

You can't fool me

where's the gound support apparatus for this massive project?

why, out of self-preservation, have no chemtrail workers come forward as whistleblowers?

why cant you guys provide any altitude, temperature or humidity figures for any of those pictures?

why are the main purveyors of stupidity, alex jones, rense and this dr bill guy, all unable to hire a little jet and take direct samples from supposed chemtrails, and provide a chain of custody as those samples are taken to a reputable lab to be analyzed?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-07   0:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Original_Intent (#37)

Hi Bill - thanks for the data and the input. As we both know shills are factually averse to anything contrary to the talking points. ;-)

They do seem to have a tendency to ignore those pesky facts.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-01-07   0:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Bill D Berger (#46) (Edited)

Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt, former Senior Policy Advisor in the U.S. Department of Education in the Reagan Administration?

Yea....that's just one of them whacky conspiracy theories dag nub it.

poor alex, attempting to go straight, but all he's accomplishing is exposing himself as an opportunistic egomaniacal hypocrite.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-07   0:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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