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Title: Inside the typical commercial jet engine, the fuel burns in the combustion chamber at up to 2000 degrees Celsius.
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URL Source: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/ ... rojects/jet-airplanes/how.html
Published: Jan 7, 2012
Author: standford.edu
Post Date: 2012-01-07 23:14:01 by lead.and.lag
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the temperatures inside a jet engine would eliminate the possibility of "chemtrail" bugs surviving combustion and reaching the atmosphere. so "chemtrail" bugs would not be put into jet fuel.
They use misters/aerosolizers on the trailing edge of the wings or control surfaces.
so you're saying those big white plumes coming from the engines are not "chemtrails"... good enough
Evergreen Aviation Admits to Chemtrail Contracts with USAF -video www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/meteorology evergreen-aviation-admits-tochemtrail-contracts-with-usaf.html
how many supertankers does evergreen have? do they have enough of them to account for all the "chemtrails" observed? is there any evidence that evergreen has operated a supertanker on a weather modification contract?
And why is a supertanker required. You are attempting to assert a premise and have me accept it. I was born at night but it wasn't yesterday. Evergreen has long been associated with the government - and appears to have CIA linkages. So, why don't you ask them about the contract? I'm sure they'd be more than forthcoming. Don't you think they would be if they had a classified above ridiculous contract?
you are incapable of giving a straight answer to a straight question. please post a link to the evergreen press release, especially including the "question and answer" portion of the press release, most especially including the part where evergreen admits it can control weather, and create hurricanes and earthquakes. please.
Evergreen Link Happy reading.
please post a link to the evergreen press release, especially including the "question and answer" portion of the press release, most especially including the part where evergreen admits it can control weather, and create hurricanes and earthquakes, as per the article from "forbidden knowledge" that you attemped to post a link to.
meanwhile, where do the "chemtrails" come from? they're clearly coming from the engines, despite what Give Me Liberty said.... i guess it could be, if the bugs are coming from the trailing edges of the wings and control surfaces, that what we're seeing coming from the engines are not "chemtrails" at all.
they're clearly coming from the engines, despite what Give Me Liberty said.... i guess it could be, if the bugs are coming from the trailing edges of the wings and control surfaces, that what we're seeing coming from the engines are not chemtrails at all. Go, ahead feel free to continue to promote your assigned cover story. Of course it never occurred to you that there might be multiple delivery systems - some routed through the engine exhaust and other elements routed through the fuel venting system and/or the attached to the plane's sewage system as has been reported by a couple of mechanics. Of the other tactic you are following is to try make it all so complex sounding that people conclude that it is not understandable. The basics are really simple: Contrails form only at 33,000 feet and above under specific temperature and humidity conditions. Chemtrails are observed emanating from planes as low as ten thousand feet - too low for contrails as the air is too warm at that level. There are multiple photos and comparisons available online contrasting chemtrails and contrails. Contrails generally fade after about 20 minutes and often less. Chemtrails are persistent i.e., they persist for hours forming cloud cover and eventually if the spraying is heavy enough they haze over the entire sky. The phenomena has been looked at pretty thoroughly by a lot of independent and amateur researchers all of which have concluded that there is some there, there. However, you are not interested in people providing information which you could easily search for and find yourself. You are interested in attacking and denigrating anyone who relies on anything other than the official spin. Yawn.
After a few seconds.
After a few seconds. I was being generous. Authentic Contrails, on rare occasions, have persisted that long, but you are right it is rare and they are usually gone within about 1 to 3 minutes.
I know you can't see the vid, but I watched it and the contrail is going past some power lines so it's apparent that the contrail dissipates after 3 or 4 seconds. I timed it with "1 one thousand, 2, one thousand... so it's not precise. Sorry for interrupting your argument with the troll.
Not a problem. He's getting boring anyway. Same tactics over and over - no imagination - strictly by the talking points manual. Actually I have seen that video - I did take the time to watch it when it was posted by someone else about a year ago or so. While the ones in there do disperse very quickly I have seen them around here - parallel to chemtrails where they would last for several minutes - but they inevitably fade out, and seeing the two side by side really does underscore the difference.
yes, indeed. and the pilots were reporting their altitude to you, along with the air temperature and humidity... they were both at the same altitude, the temperature and humidity were the same,so there can be no mistake at all.
yes, indeed. and the pilots were reporting their altitude to you, along with the air temperature and humidity... Why yes, we were in telepathic communication the entire time. Wonderful view up there. Which is of course no more ridiculous than your trollish attempt to once again confuse the issues. One does not have to have precise technical specifics to observe what is going on over one's head. Your childish attempt at sarcasm, compounded with the fact that at no time have you ever presented anything beyond your own personal opinions and insults of others, carries such great weight that I am just stricken. Oh, Boo Hoo. Boo hoo hoo. Woe is me.
I must say that I see precious little evidence and much subjective speculation behind the assertions with regard to the existence of chemtrails. A video that asserts "this is X" and "the other is Y" just doesn't get it. I don't believe the "19 Arab hijacker" hypothesis either and for the same reason. I don't see the evidence that puts the nineteen clowns in the seats of the 911 airliners. In fact, what we need here is more than just evidence. We need a testable hypothesis with regard to the problem. I'm not certain what that might be in this case.
A video that asserts "this is X" and "the other is Y" just doesn't get it. I don't believe the "19 Arab hijacker" hypothesis either and for the same reason. I don't see the evidence that puts the nineteen clowns in the seats of the 911 airliners. In fact, what we need here is more than just evidence. We need a testable hypothesis with regard to the problem. I'm not certain what that might be in this case. The problem of course is that it is a not fully explained phenomena. However there have been multiple hypotheses as to why it is being done. More on that in a moment. We can define the phenomena qualitatively and by comparison. Normal contrails are an understood phenomena and they are nothing more than the condensation of water vapor from engine exhausts into ice crystals, and occurs with both jets and propeller driven aircraft. We know that they form only under specific conditions and circumstances i.e., above 33,000 feet, a specific humidity range, and at temperatures well below freezing. We also know that being ice crystals that they are subject to melting. We can observe that they do and generally fairly rapidly. That is why a contrail dissipates - the sun hits the crystals and they warm just enough to disperse, and thus they cease acting to reflect light i.e., their density decreases, the crystals melt and dissipate thus no longer are they visible. In short, they rapidly disappear. By contrast we can look at the phenomena called chemtrails and immediately we can begin to define the differences between them and the well understood phenomena of contrails. Without a discussion of their physical composition the first two variances from a normal contrail that stand out are altitude of formation and persistence. Ground observers have recorded chemtrails being formed at altitudes well below that at which contrails are known to form - or even be possible - as the temperature and humidity are not conducive to their formation much below about 33,000 feet. By contrast knowledgeable ground observers have seen them formed at altitudes as low as ten thousand feet. While the trolls and shills will try to confuse and dispute that as obviously observers without a lot of money equipment cannot measure that directly since, I am not aware of many private hobby radar stations, but there are records of flight paths and altitudes called flight plans which seem to confirm the estimates. As well a ground observer can tell qualitatively whether a plane is higher or lower simply by its apparent size, and if you live under a flight path, as I do, you learn other cues such as engine noise. The lower the louder. The other primary qualitative characteristic observed is persistence. Whereas a normal contrail will fade quickly - normally in the range of a few seconds to a maximum of about 20 minutes chemtrails seem to persist for hours. I live in an area that has seen repeated sprayings and I have seen them running in parallel rows from horizon to horizon as well as extending in time coincidence horizontally from horizon to horizon. The trails rather than dissipating as a normal ice crystal contrail does instead will persist all day gradually spreading until there is a continuous haze from horizon to horizon in all directions. I have seen trails laid down in the morning persist, gradually spreading, all through a long spring day. That is not the behavior of a normal contrail both in terms of the observed phenomena's behavior and the sheer quantity of it. While samples have been understandably hard to come by a few have been collected and their chemical composition analyzed. Interestingly some labs, particularly those associated with government contracts, are reluctant, and have been known to refuse, to analyze the samples. All manner of strangeness has been found in these few samples but two that seem to consistently stand out are aluminum and barium. Aluminum, it has been suggested hypothetically, may have to do with its reflectivity or conductivity. However, when you do not know the reason or rationale behind an action that apparently involves undefined, or even unknown to the general public, technology then it is difficult to do much more than hypothesize. Since I don't intend this to be an exhaustive treatise I would simply suggest reading through the Chemtrail Archive at Rense, or at Clifford Carnicom's website. I must admit that I find your dismissive statement: "A video that asserts "this is X" and "the other is Y" just doesn't get it," a bit irksome. Both because I generally respect your opinion and because it suggests a snap judgment bereft of study of the available data, and there is a lot of data that has been accumulated over time. The video though does illustrate the qualitative difference between the two phenomena. Of course it is not exhaustive but it is not intended to be, but it does establish the observed differences. So, for what its worth, and I claim no special expertise in the area, I can see and observe the phenomena. From what I have seen an observed, combined with what I have learned from other reports, there is very definitely some sort of secret spraying program with some not clearly defined but real purpose. Whether it is for weather control, depopulation, HAARP, or all of those is an unknown. We can observe the phenomena exists, and we can look at the small amount of physical data and analysis and conclude that our lying eyes are telling the truth. There is something strange going on in the sky.
Sorry, and I respect your opinions also. The problem with the video is that there is nothing dispositive to, let's say, a novice viewer on this topic. It's extraordinarily difficult to establish altitudes, temps, humidity and so forth. It's also hard to establish that the two trails in question are qualitatively different simply from what is seen in the video.
Just observe the phenomena. One dissipates rapidly, and one does not. This is only one video. If you look at the extensive Rense archives or at Clifford Carnicom's site the photography and analysis are extensive. And as wud points out this phenomena did not appear to exist prior to about 1990. What changed at that point in time? The planetary atmosphere? Or what was being dispersed by aircraft? Physical phenomena operating on known principles does not itself change overnight. Therefore we can logically infer that something else did change.
What changed at that point in time? The planetary atmosphere? We had aliens from planet pop-tart come to our planet and alter our atmosphere, come on man get with the program... it's obvious ;)
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#4. To: lead.and.lag (#2)
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#5. To: Give Me Liberty (#4)
They use misters/aerosolizers on the trailing edge of the wings or control surfaces.
#7. To: lead.and.lag, Give Me Liberty, intotheabyss (#5)
#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)
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Evergreen Aviation Admits to Chemtrail Contracts with USAF
#10. To: lead.and.lag (#8)
#11. To: Original_Intent (#10)
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You are attempting
#13. To: lead.and.lag (#11)
#17. To: Original_Intent (#13)
Evergreen Link
#18. To: All (#17)
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#23. To: lead.and.lag, intotheabyss, FormerLurker, farmfriend, All (#18)
meanwhile, where do the "chemtrails" come from?
#29. To: Original_Intent (#23)
Contrails generally fade after about 20 minutes and often less.
#32. To: wudidiz (#29)
Contrails generally fade after about 20 minutes and often less.
#36. To: Original_Intent (#32)
#37. To: wudidiz (#36)
Sorry for interrupting your argument with the troll.
I know you can't see the vid, but I watched it and the contrail is going past some power lines so it's apparent that the contrail dissipates after 3 or 4 seconds. I timed it with "1 one thousand, 2, one thousand... so it's not precise.
#38. To: Original_Intent (#37)
seeing the two side by side really does underscore the difference.
#40. To: lead.and.lag (#38)
seeing the two side by side really does underscore the difference.
#48. To: Original_Intent, lead.and.lag, All (#40)
#49. To: randge, wudidiz, FormerLurker, farmfriend, intotheabyss, christine, abraxas, ratcat, Lady X, all (#48)
I must say that I see precious little evidence and much subjective speculation behind the assertions with regard to the existence of chemtrails.
#52. To: Original_Intent (#49)
I must admit that I find your dismissive statement: "A video that asserts "this is X" and "the other is Y" just doesn't get it," a bit irksome.
#54. To: randge, wudidiz (#52)
#55. To: Original_Intent (#54)
And as wud points out this phenomena did not appear to exist prior to about 1990.
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