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Title: Rossi: First E-Cats Will Now Cost $50 per kW
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URL Source: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/01/r ... -cats-will-now-cost-50-per-kw/
Published: Jan 14, 2012
Author: n
Post Date: 2012-01-14 13:02:49 by gengis gandhi
Keywords: None
Views: 439
Comments: 36

Rossi: First E-Cats Will Now Cost $50 per kW January 13, 2012

Andrea Rossi is full of surprises. He recently announced that he would never be undersold by his competitors and said that a domestic E-Cat delivering 10-20 kW of power would cost between $1000-1500 USD. Today he has slashed that price by up to two thirds. In a comment on his JONP site he writes:

The big science, after trying to ridiculize us, now has understood that the E- Cat works, so now they are trying to copy and make patents to overcome us, discourage us and trying with this sophysticated way to stop us under a disguise of an indirect vindication. Is a smart move, but they are underevaluating us. I will never stop, within one year we will start the delivery of million pieces at 50 $/kW, with a totally new concept, at that point the game will be over. This technology must be popular, must cost a very low price, must be a real revoluton, not a bunch of theoretical (wrong) chatters.

At $50 per kW, a 10 kW E-Cat would now cost $500 USD — which puts the E-Cat in the same price range as a domestic appliance like a refrigerator, washing machine or even a television or computer. In other words, almost anyone will be able to afford one, and this is Rossi’s stated intention. He really is going for the revolutionary impact, and if all this turns out as he predicts, the impact of such a breakthrough can hardly be overstated.

Who would not purchase a device that would slash their home heating an air conditioning costs by 80 per cent or more? And when the E-Cat is able to provide electrical power, it is hard to imagine that any household without an unit. At this cost there is barely any thought of the purchase of an E-Cat being an investment — this is the same price as many disposable items. If he can deliver, Rossi’s biggest challenge will be keeping up with demand. 1 million E-Cats would be a drop in the ocean, when the world wide demand for these devices would be in the range of billions.

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#1. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

What in hell is an E-Cat?

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Horse  posted on  2012-01-14   13:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#1)

What in hell is an E-Cat?

Cold Fusion Generator.

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abraxas  posted on  2012-01-14   13:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: abraxas (#2)

oh i thought it was an electronic cat.

i really wanted one, too.

fuckers.

“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,

gengis gandhi  posted on  2012-01-14   13:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

If this is for real, and it's getting harder and harder to suggest it isn't, it will be a very serious game changer indeed.

Pinguinite  posted on  2012-01-14   14:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#4)

maybe nasa is in on the scam. lol.

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gengis gandhi  posted on  2012-01-14   16:27:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#4)

Cold fusion again. Really?

It reminds me a lot of the medieval alchemists.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-01-14   16:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: gengis gandhi, Lod (#0)

At $50 per kW, a 10 kW E-Cat would now cost $500 USD — which puts the E-Cat in the same price range as a domestic appliance like a refrigerator, washing machine or even a television or computer.

That also makes it cheap enough to have two so that if one fails the other immediately comes on line, or you could use both DC and AC current simultaneously. DC has the advantage of not being a carrier wave for mind control heterodyned onto to an AC carrier wave.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-14   16:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TooConservative (#6)

Cold fusion again. Really?

It reminds me a lot of the medieval alchemists.

The difference is that this transformation actually works. This is a game changer - a society and culture changer. It means that the PTB cannot threaten to shut the grid down to silence people. It also means that Smart Meters go the way of the Dodo.

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-14   16:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

At $50 per kW, a 10 kW E-Cat would now cost $500 USD — which puts the E-Cat in the same price range as a domestic appliance like a refrigerator, washing machine or even a television or computer.

You can mark my words.......

YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS, THE PTB WILL NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN.

Remember this, book mark it, save it, I want you to

If I am wrong you are invited to pounce on me all you want, because if I am wrong the implications of this would be world changing on a quantum scale and it would be beyond worth it to be beat up on verbally.

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intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-14   17:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: intotheabyss (#9)

You can mark my words.......

YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS, THE PTB WILL NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN.

That is correct.

Commandment One of the New judeo Century in Amerikka: Thou shalt never allow ANY benefit to the citizens.

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Esso  posted on  2012-01-14   18:15:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: intotheabyss (#9)

YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS, THE PTB WILL NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN.

Rossi may well have the full plans and documentation waiting to be published on bunches of web sites in the event of his untimely demise.

They may well have been successful in the past, but there's only so much the PTB's can do, only so long they can keep something down, only so much control they can maintain.

Pinguinite  posted on  2012-01-14   20:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#11)

there's only so much the PTB's can do, only so long they can keep something down, only so much control they can maintain.

Only time will tell, but I see this as way too big a liberator for the people and TPTB will not stand for that, even if they have to kill thousands to stop it.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-14   20:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: intotheabyss (#12)

TPTB will not stand for that, even if they have to kill thousands

if i t's a fake, TPTB wont have to kill anyone, will they?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-14   20:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: lead.and.lag (#13)

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-01-14   20:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#7)

Are we the only country that uses the insane AC current?

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Lod  posted on  2012-01-14   20:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Dakmar (#14)

EZ living cleaning...

we specialize in windows

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-14   20:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lead.and.lag (#16)

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-01-14   20:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Lod (#15)

Are we the only country that uses the insane AC current?

No, it's pretty commonly used because it works better on long transmission lines. However, 50 Hz rather than the 60 Hz we use is more common elsewhere.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-14   20:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lead.and.lag (#13)

if i t's a fake, TPTB wont have to kill anyone, will they?

That's the angle I think they will work with their controlled media, it will come out down the road that this did not really produce more than what was put in and the the inventor was either mistaken after further analysis by TPTB's "experts" or that the inventor was seeking fame and falsified the results.

Either way we will not see this kind of energy released in our lifetimes unless there is a revolution to overthrow the controllers.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-14   20:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dakmar (#17)

Melvins

Cheerful music ;)

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

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intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-14   20:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: intotheabyss (#19) (Edited)

rossi's a convicted fraud, his demonstrations were questionable (why did he leave the generator connected to the ecat?), nobody's been able to duplicate his experiments, the thing doesnt conform to accepted theories of physics, and rossi's a convicted fraud... and rossi's a convicted fraud.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-14   20:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: intotheabyss (#20)

Cheerful music ;)

TO EACH HIS OWN , EH?

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-01-14   21:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dakmar (#22)

TO EACH HIS OWN , EH?

I did not mean that in a bad way. oh well

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-14   21:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: intotheabyss (#23)

I did not mean that in a bad way. oh well

YOU SHOULD, IT WOULD BE A HOOT!

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-01-14   21:09:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Esso (#10)

lead.and.lag said (post 21):

rossi's a convicted fraud, his demonstrations were questionable (why did he leave the generator connected to the ecat?), nobody's been able to duplicate his experiments, the thing doesnt conform to accepted theories of physics, and rossi's a convicted fraud... and rossi's a convicted fraud.

See, it has already started :P

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-14   21:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: intotheabyss (#19)

if i t's a fake, TPTB wont have to kill anyone, will they?

That's the angle I think they will work with their controlled media, it will come out down the road that this did not really produce more than what was put in and the the inventor was either mistaken after further analysis by TPTB's "experts" or that the inventor was seeking fame and falsified the results.

Either way we will not see this kind of energy released in our lifetimes unless there is a revolution to overthrow the controllers.

The other angle, suggested by someone else on another thread, was that the PTB might impose regulatory roadblocks by calling it a Nuclear Reactor and requiring a license through the NRC which would, of course, be impossible to get unless you had the right connections. This also would torpedo their "Carbon Tax" as it would usher in an era of non polluting technology.

However, I think, given that NASA admitted that it works, that they may have decided that they could not stop it. Rossi may have outfoxed them, as was suggested earlier, by setting up a failsafe that would release the design in the event that he had an untimely demise which would release the specifics too widely for them to combat. Time will tell although I do not discount your concerns - it has me scratching my head that Rossi is even still alive.

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-14   21:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: All (#24)

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-01-14   21:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: intotheabyss, lead.and.lag (#25)

lead.and.lag said (post 21):

rossi's a convicted fraud, his demonstrations were questionable (why did he leave the generator connected to the ecat?), nobody's been able to duplicate his experiments, the thing doesnt conform to accepted theories of physics, and rossi's a convicted fraud... and rossi's a convicted fraud.

See, it has already started :P

That was my thought too.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-14   21:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: All (#21)

it's always the same old thing... where's the beef?

if you want to buy vaporware from a convicted fraud, go for it, but personally, i'd wait for some convincing duplicatable demonstrations and a few thousand successful intallations before i'd plunk my money down.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-14   21:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#26)

However, I think, given that NASA admitted that it works, that they may have decided that they could not stop it. Rossi may have outfoxed them, as was suggested earlier, by setting up a failsafe that would release the design in the event that he had an untimely demise which would release the specifics too widely for them to combat.

I hope you are correct on this issue, but I have become pretty jaded over the years and don't hold out much hope for any change in the world for more liberty in my lifetime.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-14   21:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Dakmar (#27)

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-14   21:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: lead.and.lag (#29)

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-14   21:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Lod (#15)

Tesla invented AC current and it has huge advantages over DC current for long distance transmission.

Pinguinite  posted on  2012-01-14   22:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent (#26)

The other angle, suggested by someone else on another thread, was that the PTB might impose regulatory roadblocks by calling it a Nuclear Reactor and requiring a license through the NRC which would, of course, be impossible to get unless you had the right connections. This also would torpedo their "Carbon Tax" as it would usher in an era of non polluting technology.

Rossi has thought of that. If they do declare it a nuke reactor, then they will be explicitly endorsing the technology as functional, so they can't do that.

Pinguinite  posted on  2012-01-14   22:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Pinguinite (#4)

It depends on operating cost. Walmart is currently advertising a Hyundai 7,250-watt heavy-duty generator for $595. Would be costly to operate with $1/ltre gasoline (with taxes) but if manufacturers get on the ball and make units which run on natural gas which is in huge surplus in North America (and being wasted through flaring at oil wells) now is well under $3/million BTU then I don't see that E-Cat is such a big deal, especially since once you hook up the gas plumbing it needs very little attention. Main drawback being that it's noisy.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2012-01-15   0:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tatarewicz (#35)

It depends on operating cost. Walmart is currently advertising a Hyundai 7,250-watt heavy-duty generator for $595. Would be costly to operate with $1/ltre gasoline (with taxes) but if manufacturers get on the ball and make units which run on natural gas which is in huge surplus in North America (and being wasted through flaring at oil wells) now is well under $3/million BTU then I don't see that E-Cat is such a big deal, especially since once you hook up the gas plumbing it needs very little attention. Main drawback being that it's noisy.

There are other considerations. The E-cat doesn't need to be hooked up to any piped fuel source. It's all self contained which means it can power a car very cheaply which a generator plugged into piped gas can't. And fuel for it is far cheaper and more compact than gasoline, so it can generate power far and away from any traditional fuel supply.

Consider also that unlike traditional generators, Rossi's E-cat tech is brand new and generally undeveloped, so there should be plenty of room for additional advancements, such as miniturization and increasing power output. Applications previously not even considered due to enormous power requirements or high power density now become feasible.

Pinguinite  posted on  2012-01-15   1:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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