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Title: Can we officially call 4um an anti-war forum?
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Published: Jan 14, 2012
Author: Mite we be the only one on the net?
Post Date: 2012-01-14 21:51:59 by Jethro Tull
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I hate superfluous murder, count me in.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
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ty. This is then the mission of 4um. To the piggies who support war via the tacit support of the grunts, eff them. The grunts willingly go to war for the Empire. If they don't realize this, they're Hessians pure and simple.
I'm Herbert, mang, don't mess with me! "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
YES WE CAN? Sounds sort of like a campaign slogan doesn't it? : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
No more War Pigs! With the exception of Black Sabbath, of course....... " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
well, that's better.
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
I think you're just saying that because LibertyPost is dead now.
Is it dead, TC? I frankly haven't a clue what goes on there.
I see your Slayer and raise you a Pennywise/Society..... " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Did you send Gatlin a memo? I think he just pinged you twelve times to one of his lame Anti Paul threads. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Funny thing about LP, their Alexa rank is lower than 4um and has been for some time, yet they still need fleeceathons from time to time?
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Wow that's f**king ugly, wake up you sheepies! "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
I think you're just saying that because LibertyPost is dead now. Goldi-Schmuck did it all by hers self. It began with her anti-Paul posting dictum during the last pResidential anointment cycle, accelerated with her banning of a few of us who would not give her a pass on her clear censorship of a candidate she though was insufficiently ass kissing to Shittylittlestan, and made worse over time as it became Palin Post and anyone not toeing the Party Line was banned. Nope the dumb witch is meshugas and by protecting privileged trolls such as yukbot she dood it herself. But, of course, she is welcome to come hang around 4um. We can talk about old times.
~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ Why do you hate America so much? yes i despise chickenhawks.
MASS KILLINGS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN “WINK AND NOD” ARMY POLICY By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor Over 40 years ago, I was in Vietnam, part of an American military effort draped with shame and failure. My Lai was the crowning achievement of the war, nearly 600 women and children mowed down by automatic weapons fire. The man we know as General Colin Powell helped shove it under a rug. Lt. Calley, worse than many of Himmler’s SS executed for war crimes during World War II, became a hero to many Americans. Killing civilians was “policy” in Vietnam. You could murder anyone you wanted as long as they could be made to look like enemy combatants. If you killed them with a knife, even if others held them to the ground, you were awarded a Silver Star. This isn’t conjecture, I know this to be a fact. When the Bush Administration sought legal protection from accusations of war crime, shopping the dregs of the legal world and coming up with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, someone willing to sign off on virtually anything, we could see it coming. We had an administration of “Chickenhawks,” psychotic war mongers who were physical cowards, shirking wartime service through trickery, influence and excuses. Thus we ended up with a President who claims to have been a National Guard mail clerk in Alabama, missing the 10 years of combat during Vietnam, a war mongering Vice President who piled up student deferments and a Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, who did a short peacetime stint in the Navy. Congress was worse, with the “war party,” the GOP, lined from one end to the other with draft dodgers. Their only noticeable veteran was John McCain. The real mastermind of the Bush Administration was radio host Rush Limbaugh who claims he was rejected for service in Vietnam because of an anal cyst. What those of us who actually fought in a war knew is that the leadership of the military itself, called by Colonel David Hackworth “the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon,” was utterly corrupt and bereft of real combat experience, leadership ability and moral character. That leadership has, if anything, gotten worse. As our two most recent disastrous wars played out, one seemingly forever, we began with stories of prisoner abuse, kidnappings, torture on a mass scale. The Wikileaks video showing two Apache helicopter crews murdering unarmed Samaritans was quickly ignored. In fact, dozens, perhaps hundreds of incidents of criminality have been covered up, the press delightfully complicit, never asking why nothing is done, never asking why the military never calls anyone of rank and power to account. When reports come in, such as those from FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, that planeloads of narcotics and moved across the world by the US military or we hear that bales of American aid money are being transported out of Afghanistan to, well, we don’t know, do we? Are we really sure that it isn’t the military itself that is stealing the money, running the drugs, managing the $65 billion dollar a year drug operation in Afghanistan? Is there any reason, any scrap of proof that can show they aren’t doing it? When the Bush administration decided to “outsource” the war, “outsource” the CIA, turning a third of our massive defense budget over to political cronies, shouldn’t all of this been expected? When the American “Taliban,” we can’t call them anything else, Christian Evangelists, read “Christian Zionists,” not really Christians at all, but a distorted, a perverted form of Christianity more science fiction, heavy on apocalypse, heavy on “end times” and very light on real scripture, a “Christ free” version of Christianity, was pushed onto our military, mass killings, drunken orgies, drug use, torture and inhumanity had to be expected. What is the worst possible situation imaginable? How could we have found so many wartime cowards to lead a nation during a period of threat? What was the threat? Was it real or one concocted by the endless nest of military and intelligence geniuses, best call them what they are, phonies and vermin, the golfing partners of the military industrial complex. Hadn’t we better admit that we have allowed ourselves to be led into, not only wars, but a total sacrifice of American freedoms and values, entirely for the glorification of cowards, phonies and sociopaths? Does this seem a bit harsh? Excuse me for being angry. Last week, Dr. Aafia, a housewife from Boston who was kidnapped while visiting her father in Pakistan, was convicted of trying to kill several Americans. She had been in detention, raped and tortured for years. Were the people she was accused of trying to kill, a totally fictional crime, themselves like the death squads that roam Iraq and Afghanistan, shooting innocent civilians from armored vehicles, helicopters, tossing hand grenades into crowds? Today we learn that the current murder squad being investigated in Afghanistan operated in Iraq. This is one such unit, there could be dozens. Today we learn that the Army knew about this all along, members of these military units that claim they were under threat of death, forced to participate in war crimes, had reported the incidents. Nothing was done. ABC News carried the story today, parents were told, the Army was called. Were hundreds killed? More? It is one thing losing a war. It is one thing seeing America pass laws nullifying our constitution and civil rights. It is one thing watching so many Americans cheer war crimes, atrocities, injustice, torture. Imagine how this is going to play out. Afghanistan has a population between 30 and 40 million. Pakistan has nearly 200 million people. They are all going to hear about this. We spend billions, not millions, not tens or hundreds of millions but billions winning the ‘hearts and minds’ of the people, all so we can be “safe from terrorism.” What a crock. We hope people are afraid of us because if they aren’t, they certainly hate us. Do people in Pakistan and Afghanistan get afraid? Don’t we hear, every day, all day long, about how crazy they all are, wanting to blow themselves up? Are we stopping terrorism by sending Americans over there, so they can be murdered conveniently, none of those phony visas, passports or magic trips through Israeli run airports for them. Who is ultimately responsible? The answer is easy, the American people. All the signs were there. The 2000 election had a smell about it, the jackals behind the scenes during Iran Contra, you remember that, don’t you? The Reagan administration? Whatever you want to call it, it was our government getting into the “crack” business and, as a sideline, peddling arms to Iran, you know, missiles and such, by the shipload. Oh, you forgot? It wasn’t more than a few months before we got 9/11, the largest coordinated attack on America in its history, confounding our air defenses, intelligence services, even the laws of physics were violated. Learn what you can do when defense contractors own TV networks. ---snip--- Outstanding commentary!!
Herbert!!!!!
#2. To: Dakmar (#1)
I hate superfluous murder, count me in.
"[Ron Paul is] the only one who understands our problems. For the rest of them, it’s like a geography bee — name the country, and they want to fight them,” - Jason Nunn
#3. To: Dakmar (#1)
#4. To: Critter (#2)
What have you done with the real Dakmar?
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Can we officially call 4um an anti-war forum?
#6. To: Jethro Tull, Dakmar, Critter (#3)
#7. To: Dakmar (#4)
"[Ron Paul is] the only one who understands our problems. For the rest of them, it’s like a geography bee — name the country, and they want to fight them,” - Jason Nunn
#8. To: abraxas (#6)
No more War Pigs! With the exception of Black Sabbath, of course.......
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Title: Can we officially call 4um an anti-war forum?
#10. To: TooConservative (#9)
#11. To: Dakmar (#8)
#12. To: TooConservative (#9)
I think you're just saying that because LibertyPost is dead now.
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
"[Ron Paul is] the only one who understands our problems. For the rest of them, it’s like a geography bee — name the country, and they want to fight them,” - Jason Nunn
#14. To: abraxas (#11)
I see your Slayer and raise you a Pennywise/Society.....
#15. To: TooConservative (#9)
Title: Can we officially call 4um an anti-war forum?
#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)
(Edited)
The OneDollarDVDProject needs patriot activists
to help wake the town and tell the people.
Do friends and family know what you know?
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
(Edited)
This is then the mission of 4um. To the piggies who support war via the tacit support of the grunts, eff them. The grunts willingly go to war for the Empire. If they don't realize this, they're Hessians pure and simple.
The OneDollarDVDProject needs patriot activists
to help wake the town and tell the people.
Do friends and family know what you know?
#18. To: Dakmar (#1)
I hate superfluous murder, count me in.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#20. To: Jethro Tull, GORDON DUFF, WAR CRIMES, AMERICAS MORAL MELTDOWN (#0)
www.veteranstoday.com/201...-americas-moral-meltdown/
#21. To: Dakmar (#4)
I'm Herbert, mang, don't mess with me!
-Alex Kurtagic
#22. To: christine (#20)
This is an outstanding piece, and yes, WE are responsible. Well, not most of us, but certainly those people who routinely call returning vets "heroes." These kids are heroes? The word is a misused and overused and the invasion of sovereign nations at the whim of our Presidential "kings" is hardly heroic. Who is ultimately responsible? The answer is easy, the American people.
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
That could be. With an imperial Guard that is now the Redcoats, the Hessians and the Waffen SS all rolled up into one, you need a nation as blind to the realities of war and as drunk with it's own sense of power to sustain the looting and reckless piracy that our masters inflict on this planet. We are in a minority, but I see that changing as young people in particular are waking up. Count me in. JT. Mite we be the only one on the net?
#24. To: randge (#23)
I couldn't agree more randge.
#25. To: abraxas (#12)
I finally bozoed him so he won't pollute my comments page throughout the primary. He's just wallpapering the forum with the same material we've all seen a hundred times already. Did you send Gatlin a memo? I think he just pinged you twelve times to one of his lame Anti Paul threads. : )
#26. To: TooConservative (#25)
That will certainly make the primary more pleasant. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#27. To: randge, Jethro Tull, christine (#23)
That could be. With an imperial Guard that is now the Redcoats, the Hessians and the Waffen SS all rolled up into one, you need a nation as blind to the realities of war and as drunk with it's own sense of power to sustain the looting and reckless piracy that our masters inflict on this planet. We are in a minority, but I see that changing as young people in particular are waking up. Count me in. JT. I think that there is one clear reason for that - christine. It is not that she is opposed to the needless insane wars herself, although I believe she is, but that her not demanding adherence to any particular party line and kicking the occasional Troll out the door has fostered a climate where reason, and facts, have come to dominate the discussion of war related issues. The FreepTards, the insane pseudo-Christian Zionazis, etc., stay away in droves because in an environment where they cannot use their usual tactics of lying, character assassination, and misrepresentation they are forced to defend their positions with logic and facts, and the truth of the matter is that they cannot. Not to mention, and I have said this before and mean it, the regular and much of the irregular postership of 4um is comfortably above average in intelligence and knowledge. There is also an X-Factor - however polite individual members may be it is also a tough crowd and a generally high toned crowd. No one should ever mistake politeness for weakness, and I've run into a couple who made that mistake - once, and the crowd here is generally polite - and very tough. Those are a combination that the "usual suspects" can't handle - because to be a Troll/Shill is almost by definition someone who is not very bright - generally, my observation, is that the brightest of them rank no higher than a high normal - which is well below the average poster here. Mite we be the only one on the net?
#28. To: abraxas (#26)
I am petty about bozo though. I've bozoed people just for posting repetitive large multicolor text. I put up with a little of it, just for variety. But when it becomes wallpapering, it's time for bozo. Wallpapering a forum is a form of spam, like someone is yelling at you to get attention because they know you'll never care about their issue otherwise. That will certainly make the primary more pleasant. : )
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