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Title: How Do You Solve a Problem Like Ron Paul
Source: YouTube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PhLTMiyvhg
Published: Jan 25, 2012
Author: jerrilynn
Post Date: 2012-01-28 06:33:10 by GreyLmist
Keywords: Ron Paul
Views: 989
Comments: 51


Poster Comment:

Lyrics

He gains the vote
He's an antidote to
Overspending every year.

He votes against those bailout funds
And states why "on the air."

And underneath his policies
he's honest, just and fair!

I've even seen him reading the Constitution.

He says "no way" to endless wars,
His constituency is real.
He always stands for liberty,
Our money he won't steal.

They hate for me to say it
But I very firmly feel
Ron Paul can surely win the nomination!

I'd like to say a word in his behalf.
The statists no longer laugh.

How do you solve a problem like Ron Paul?
How do you catch resolve and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Ron Paul?

A patriot!
A statesman!
White House bound!

Many a thing you know you'd like to ask him,
Many a thing we ought to understand.
But how do you make them stay
And hear what he has to say,
How do you foil the media's blackout plan?

Oh, how do you solve a problem like Ron Paul?
How do you hold liberty in your hand?

When they're with him they're confused,
Out of focus and bemused,
And they never know exactly how to scam.

He's predictable as weather,
Wants to break the statist tether,

He's a patriot,
Not a nut job,
He's our man.

To the statists he's a fright,
Tells the Fed to take a hike,
He can throw a talking head
Right out of spin.

He is gentle,
He is kind,
Not a riddle.

He's prime time.
Their worst nightmare!
Our champion!
He's the man.

How do you solve a problem like Ron Paul?
How do you catch resolve and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Ron Paul?
A patriot!
A statesman!
White House bound!

Many a thing you know you'd like to ask him,
Many a thing we ought to understand.
But why won't the media play
The things that he has to say?
Why do they dismiss him out of hand?
Oh, how do you solve a problem like Ron Paul?
Restore America Now Ron Paul's the man.

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#1. To: All (#0)

This was posted at rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/ and whatreallyhappened.com

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-01-28   6:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GreyLmist, wudidiz, original_intent, eric stratton, christine, jethro tull, formerlurker, reality check, truth hurts, dont trust any feds, wakeup, ZioScam2012, esso, noone222, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#0)

He gains the vote He's the antidote

He may gain the vote, but they dont count them, & he says nothing about it.This has been covered exhaustively by alternative outlets.So please, dear patriot friends, dont be too devastated when Paul releases his TROTSKY MEMO 2012 version.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-01-28   6:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All, Psusa2, hounddawg, x-15, twentytwelve, rotara, lod, farmfriend (#2)

ping to post #2

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-01-28   6:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Artisan (#2)

He may gain the vote, but they dont count them, & he says nothing about it.This has been covered exhaustively by alternative outlets.

yes, that's a major concern for me.

christine  posted on  2012-01-28   11:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#4)

I dont like seeing people devastated, deflated, disappointed, hopeless. So I am just warning people not to trust some damn disingenuous politician to "save us" when he dont even protest mass criminal vote fraud. everyone, save yourselves. the truth hurts.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-01-28   12:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan, christine, TwentyTwelve, abraxas, Jethro Tull, Phant2000, farmfriend, ratcat, all (#5)

I dont like seeing people devastated, deflated, disappointed, hopeless. So I am just warning people not to trust some damn disingenuous politician to "save us" when he dont even protest mass criminal vote fraud. everyone, save yourselves. the truth hurts.

Actually I see it as an astute move. RP does not expect to win in the current environment. If he did the Israelis/CIA would kill him. No, what I think he is doing, but he would never say this, is helping to build momentum toward overthrowing the current corrupt regime. Of course he can't say that because he would be pilloried and smeared by the controlled whores of the major media, but his very existence and the growing obviousness of the rampant fraud and control of the presstitutes is having an effect. It is awakening one hell of a lot of people to the realities - that is one of the reasons the Israelis/Zionazis hate him so much - he's not giving them anything to attack him with and all they can do is to repeat the same spin lines over and over and over and over again. However, that is wearing thin and more people are seeing the spin as spin and that it is dishonest.

No, RP running is not an end it is a process.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-28   13:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Artisan, Original_Intent (#3)

I'm already pointing out to a few acquaintances and family that Newt/Mitt/Rick are sleazy and have more baggage than will fit in a railroad car and oh, by the way, please notice that Ron Paul has NO personal baggage or ethical handicaps like the other RINO's appear to have.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-01-28   14:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GreyLmist (#0)

You run phonies like Santorum, Huntsman, And Gingrich along side Romney, so it looks like there are people taking away votes from Ron Paul. Notice how Ron is now in the single digits?

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2012-01-28   14:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Artisan (#2)

He may gain the vote, but they dont count them, & he says nothing about it.

I lost enchantment with Paul for a few reasons, yours being one of them.

Another is his personal investments in gold holdings, something on the order of 1 to $1.5 million in mines and the like while he's pushing a public policy of a gold currency of some kind. One would think his enemies would have picked up on this and run with it already.

When Paul was on Jay Leno a few weeks ago, he said he wanted to be like Grover Cleveland as president. I was startled by his admission, as Grover was the prez that sold the US Treasury to the Rothschilds and the Morgans in 1895.

If Dr. Paul doesn't know this, he isn't as informed about the history of banking as he claims. If he does know it, then eff him anyway. Either way, I smell a rat. I can't see how he doesn't know it. Reading Murray Rothbard would have clued him in.

It's my humble opinion that Paul was sending a message to the goldbugs. They know their history. His message being "Those crazy, heady days of 1895 when gold was king! I'll bring those days back for you."

I'm done with the hucksters. All of them.

bluegrass  posted on  2012-01-28   15:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: X-15 (#7)

I agree with you. Anyone who's not retarded wouldnt want anything to do with newt. mitt, etc. Ron Paul's ideas on govt are great. But if he's not running to win, (i.e., getting enough votes, to win- this includes demanding that all the votes of his loyal supporters are COUNTED) then what the hell is the point.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-01-28   15:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: bluegrass (#9)

good. i am of the opinion that we should not be enchanted with ron paul or any politician. thanks for the info on the tonight show/ grover cleveland, that is interesting indeed.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-01-28   16:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent, Artisan (#6)

I see Ron Paul's dedication and strategy through his, The Good Doc's, long term vision but rapid action.

I was disappointed last go with the final outcome. Simply because I wasn't sure how much tread Ron had left. But he and Carol have God's strength and I appreciate his efforts. More than probably anyone in my life. He's my favorite American and I doubt that will change. Ever.

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2012-01-28   16:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: X-15, Original_Intent, PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#7)

In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

Time to face the facts. What the GOP fears most is what America needs most. Neither Santorum nor Gingrich can win the Nomination for one simple reason. Neither of them can collect enough delegates to win the Nomination.

Neither man can be the nominee because neither one was able to get on enough states' ballots to make a difference. (564 delegates that Newt can't win ), Same with Santorum (over 700 delegates he can't win ). And the media as well as the GOP is praying to god that the American people continue to remain ignorant of this fact for as long as possible while they try to come up with a strategy that will bury Ron Paul before Romney is forced to face him on stage alone and the commentators are no longer able to marginalize Paul by giving all the questions to everyone but him.

Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are the only two candidates that made it on the ballot in every state. Romney will not beat Obama, he's too similar except he will raise taxes on anyone making 40k a year or less in favor of giving himself lower taxes. Independents are going to run to Obama if Romney is the alternative.

It is a two man race between Ron Paul and Romney for the nomination.

It is also a two man race between Ron Paul and Obama for the White House.

It's time Conservatives and people with any functioning brain cells in their heads started backing the only real candidate that will beat Obama and save America. And whether you like it or not, that candidate is, by default, Ron Paul.

The facts can't be twisted to point in any other direction. The Delegates decide who gets the nomination and you can't get delegates if you aren't on the ballots. It doesn't matter how much money gets pumped into your campaign by special interest groups. The facts are the facts.

Fact : Gingrich and Santorum cannot win the nomination no matter how much they get in " popular " votes.

Fact : Romney will fail epically against Obama in a general election.

Fact : Ron Paul will decimate Obama on his Foreign Policy stance alone. Add in his Economic and Defense policies ( All 3 of which were policies Obama ran on in 2008 and abandoned once he got in the White House so no one would be stupid enough to believe he's going to follow them in his second term ) and you have an un-beatable candidate in the general election who the bulk of the American people will vote for when they finally get a chance to see the man unfiltered and unbiased by the media.

America is broke and the average American is tired of hearing about another war on the horizon and seeing more dead soldiers coming home in coffins for no reason...all the while the freedoms they are dying to " protect " are being stripped away from us by our own government...one by one.

Obama has ‘0’ chance of beating Paul and Washington knows it. The GOP knows it. The corporations that own Washington know it too so they instruct the media outlets they own to hide it from you.

But now you know. Gingrich and Santorum are mathematically incapable of winning the Nomination and Romney can't beat Obama in the general election.

Ron Paul is the only choice we have. It's just nice that, for once, he's the RIGHT choice and not just the " lesser of two evils ".

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-28   16:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: bluegrass (#9)

"Ron owns GOLD"

Where the hell would you put your FRNs if you had any? What bullshit.

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2012-01-28   16:12:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan (#10)

But if he's not running to win, (i.e., getting enough votes, to win- this includes demanding that all the votes of his loyal supporters are COUNTED) then what the hell is the point.

Judas Priest. You don't get it.

Watch this:

youtu.be/6KOlN0ooqnY

Now, go back and read O_I's post.

Now, THINK. THINK. THINK about the whole thing. Critically.

NO emotion.

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2012-01-28   16:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: intotheabyss, *Obama Reality Check* (#13)

Post of the Day.

Ron Paul will steal votes from Nigger Obama and lock up the independent vote, it's up to the GOP to get off their East Coast/country club asses and stand behind Ron Paul if they're serious about evicting the tin-pot, golf-playing, Afreakin! dictator from the Oval Office.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-01-28   16:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: X-15 (#16)

Ron Paul will steal votes from Nigger Obama and lock up the independent vote, it's up to the GOP to get off their East Coast/country club asses and stand behind Ron Paul if they're serious about evicting the tin-pot, golf-playing, Afreakin! dictator from the Oval Office.

lol!!!

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-28   16:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: intotheabyss, X-15, Original_Intent, PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#13)

While I generally agree with your analysis there is another fly in the ointment.

Agreed that Rick Scrotum and Newt Grinch are certified losers and incapable of winning.

Agreed that McRomney is a worthless POS who could not defeat Phyllis Diller. (Personally I'd take Phyllis over McRomney any day - she's a lot smarter than he is.)

However, there now exists the possibility of a brokered convention and the name beginning to float in the background is Jeb Bush. So, what it looks like we might be getting set up for is a "Draft Jeb" Astroturf campaign where a deadlocked convention "suddenly" sees good ol' Jeb as the "Knight in Shining Armor" to defeat the Wicked Witch Oh'bummer.

ALL HANDS BRACE FOR HEAVY SPIN!

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-01-28   16:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cornhuskerkid (#15)

I'm not saying it's a sham because of emotion, I'm saying it's a sham because it's simply a sham. Emotion is the giddy glee among Paul fans that their hero can win and save everything. he will not win, sorry to say. if he won, that would mean that the whole thing is not a controlled scam. But, it is. That is just the reality.

I do appreciate Paul's "long view" of things, that liberty is a long battle (multi generational). I get it, & I'm up for that. But these people think that it is about him winning in 2012. they will be very sadly disappointed & jaded when he throws in the towel again.

No sense in bickering about it though. I will ping you to this post later this year after Paul throws in the towel again, and gives a speech where he claims that his loss is still a win. ha.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-01-28   16:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: intotheabyss (#13)

To: X-15, Original_Intent, PSUSA2, BSUSATOO

Am I going to have problems with you too?

Good post. They boxed themselves into a corner.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-28   16:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan (#19)

Take one more step; would you rather go to battle with 1 million others to take back America, or maybe 10M+? Because that's what this boils down to. Look how many people from the grassroots and more importantly with firearms knowledge are now awake versus last go. And it's compounding from what I see. Not enough to overcome the PTB at a bunk election scam. We have to win with guts and blood if we are to win. So, the more with us the better.

Think.

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2012-01-28   16:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cornhuskerkid (#14)

I don't blame Paul for owning gold. I'm a silver man myself. I don't trust him because he owns millions in gold stocks while he's pushing for a gold currency.

If this simple conflict of interest can't be seen, perhaps an eye doctor should be consulted.

bluegrass  posted on  2012-01-28   16:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Artisan (#11)

bluegrass  posted on  2012-01-28   16:52:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: bluegrass (#23)

So true that I don't know if it's sad or funny.... today I'm leaning toward funny.

There is way too much depressing news to see it any other way.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-01-28   16:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cornhuskerkid (#21)

fair enough, but on that note, when it comes down to it, if it is the govt versus an individual, it will likely be just him and them. lucky if he's got a few close friends and family members he can count on for support.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-01-28   16:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: bluegrass, 4 (#22)

I don't trust him because he owns millions in gold stocks while he's pushing for a gold currency.

If this simple conflict of interest can't be seen, perhaps an eye doctor should be consulted.

There's no conflict there; it's consistency of belief and action.

He believes that gold is real money, so he owns it.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-28   17:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Lod (#26)

So you don't see a conflict with politicians trying to sway public policy to favor their investments?

bluegrass  posted on  2012-01-28   17:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluegrass (#22)

I wish I owned millions in gold stocks, I've got a little physical gold but that won't stop me from voting for Ron Paul. There's been dozens of articles over the past few years here at freedom4um telling us to get into gold like Ron Paul has. I see no conflict of interest. If Ron Paul had a sizeable gun collection as well as stock in publicly traded gun mfgs. and he told you to buy as many guns as you wanted would you have a problem with that??

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-01-28   18:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass (#27)

As with X's gun analogy, if it's Constitutional and correct, I have no problem whatever with a politician promoting it.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-28   18:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: bluegrass (#27)

So you don't see a conflict with politicians trying to sway public policy to favor their investments?

Where is the conflict? Ron understands that the Constitution says that only gold and silver coin is money. He has never been shy about telling people that and that the paper money we have pretty much been forced to use is as much counterfeit as it would be if a private citizen printed it up.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-01-28   18:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: intotheabyss (#13)

It's time Conservatives and people with any functioning brain cells in their heads started backing the only real candidate that will beat Obama and save America. And whether you like it or not, that candidate is, by default, Ron Paul.

I like it just fine, been supporting Ron since he ran on the Libertarian ticket in 88.

Great post.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-01-28   18:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Artisan (#25)

Think outside the box. When it comes to that, you will find yourself confronted, you will find that you once in awhile have the numbers on your side and your once in awhile will all do the right thing. And survive. But maybe not. But the day is coming to decide. And millions of US will not turn back now.

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2012-01-28   18:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: All (#32)

They told me I'm a domestic terrorist because I support the Constitution, am anti-Imperialist AmeriKa of and for the Rothschild Zionists and because I support Ron Paul.

I guess I better start thinking like one, eh?

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2012-01-28   18:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: bluegrass, All (#9)

When Paul was on Jay Leno a few weeks ago, he said he wanted to be like Grover Cleveland as president. I was startled by his admission, as Grover was the prez that sold the US Treasury to the Rothschilds and the Morgans in 1895.

YouTube video: Ron Paul Joe Rogan on the Tonight Show w Jay Leno - Uploaded by peacefulpatriots on Dec 17, 2011

Starting at 18:49, he said that Gover Cleveland was a great vetoer of Bills and believed in the Gold Standard. On a side-issue, at 17:34, he was complimentary and kind in his opinion of Huntsman but was targeted and smeared soon after by problable Huntsman campaigners with the false-flagged "China Jon" video-hoopla.

Your link says: "We’ve now established that the Rothschilds 'entered into relations' with the US government in 1878."

Hayes was President at that time. Grover Cleveland's terms were 1885-1889 and 1893-1897. His second term began 10 days after the Philadelphia and Reading Railroad went bankrupt and the Panic of 1893, (similar to the Panic of 1873 - called the Long Depression), was kicked off with that bankruptcy prior to his Presidency. The Sherman Silver Purchase Act of 1890, prior to his second term, was blamed along with McKinley tariff protections but, apparently, Gold Reserves were driven down by the overproduction of silver and many silver mines in the west closed permanently. Your article also cites acts of Congress of July 14,1870, January 20, 1871, and January 14, 1875, long before either of Cleveland's inconsecutive terms. What should the Cleveland administration have done? Taken us off the Gold Standard then?

I'm not a Goldbug and the Constitution does not dictate that the U.S. government be in the precious metals mining business to meet the requirement that the States (not the Federal government but the States) use nothing but gold and silver for their debt purposes. At the time the Constitution was ratified, I could be wrong but don't think that there was even a gold or silver mine here. That tells us something but issuing bonds to buy gold from others like the Rothschilds is, imo, tantamount to issuing a Bill of Credit and that's Unconstitutional for the Federal Government, as well as for the States. This is where my thread researching the '60s era removal of silver from our coins was about to go into the topic of Trade Dollars, iirc. I intend to do more work on that subject eventually but I think you're being a bit harsh on Grover Cleveland, bluegrass, under the circumstances.

Mark Twain on Grover Cleveland: "Of all our public men of today he stands first in my reverence & admiration, & the next one stands two-hundred-&-twenty-fifth. He is the only statesman we have now. Cleveland drunk is a more valuable asset to this country than the whole batch of the rest of our public men sober. He is high-minded; all his impulses are great & pure & fine. I wish we had another of this sort.": Grover Cleveland Song video.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-01-29   15:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GreyLmist (#34)

> Grover Cleveland's terms were 1885-1889 and 1893-1897....

I think you may have missed the info further down in the link:

"This agreement entered into this eighth day of February, 1895, between the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States, of the first part, and Messrs. August Belmont and Company, of New York, on behalf of Messrs. N. M. Rothschild and Sons, of London, England, and themselves, and Messrs. J. P. Morgan and Company, of New York, on behalf of Messrs. J. S. Morgan and Company, of London, and themselves, parties of the second part."

Grover Cleveland gave the ok for the Rothschilds and the Morgans to essentially take over the US Treasury. This led to the founding of the Federal Reserve 18 years later. The Money Powers actually took over American money in 1895. The Federal Reserve was merely them planting their flag in the middle of their conquered territory.

Silver was demonetized in 1873. That made the goldbugs/money powers happy, but they're never happy enough. They spent the next 20 years trying to destabilize the US Treasury. They succeeded with the panic of 1893, a panic brought on by the collapse of the railroad bond market. We all know who controlled the bond market....the same crowd that controlled it for most of the 20th century.

Ron Paul knows his history. His untterance of Grover Cleveland on Leno was a message to those goldbugs that know their history.

The Money Powers are divided into two factions: The Debtmongers and their helpers (Bernanke is a helper) and the Goldbug/Hard Assets crowd. The Debtmongers have been running the show since the Depression. Their game is up and the Goldbugs are coming back into their own.

I hope Ron Paul becomes president. It would be a better world in the long run. But he's not above critique, either. No politician ever should be.

bluegrass  posted on  2012-01-29   15:32:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GreyLmist (#34)

Great show - thanks.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-01-29   15:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: bluegrass (#35)

I hope Ron Paul becomes president. It would be a better world in the long run. But he's not above critique, either. No politician ever should be.

Right and I don't agree with him on everything -- Goldbugness being one example. I'll try to give this Cleveland issue closer study this evening.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-01-29   15:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Lod (#36)

You're welcome, Lod. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-01-29   15:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GreyLmist (#37)

Just so you know I didn't pull this out of my ear, here's a reference from the era:

Reminiscences of Senator William M. Stewart, of Nevada, 1908.

"...The active cooperation of Grover Cleveland in the manipulation of the currency by the Rothschilds of London and J. Pierpont Morgan of New York was very unpopular with the people. He was accused by both leading Democrats and Republicans of having betrayed his party and of having turned his back upon the Democratic platform of 1884 upon which he was elected."

bluegrass  posted on  2012-01-29   16:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Artisan (#2)

He may gain the vote, but they dont count them, & he says nothing about it.This has been covered exhaustively by alternative outlets.So please, dear patriot friends, dont be too devastated when Paul releases his TROTSKY MEMO 2012 version.

The instant he "goes negative" the controlled media will use it as the excuse they're waiting for to ridicule him as a propeller beanie kook and juxtapose him with every "conspiracy nut" who ever claimed that there was a secret cabal working against him. If he had made that tactical error after New Hampshire then never again would the media have granted Ron Paul airtime to explain his views on issues that matter. You saw how they used an old newsletter to keep him from discussing the FED, unlimited spending on senseless wars and the papering of the planet with the FED's fiat Monopoly munny, right?

And, how many politicians who ever cried foul in a federal election ever reversed the election results and then addressed the issue of election fraud from a powerful seat in office?

Ron Paul's integrity doesn't mean that he should avoid strategic planning to outsmart those who are hoping he'll say, "911 was an inside job". It's only because they cannot label him and thus trigger Pavlovian responses in well trained American television audiences that Paul has made it this far.

You already know the truth and you wouldn't be dissuaded by a massive smear campaign to knock Paul out of the race. But you are not the target of the campaign. It's millions of Americans who know something is wrong but still believe that bad things that happen to our economy are cosmic coincidences, and who still do not know that their "parents" in Wash, DC are a bunch of sold out, chicken hearted scumbags who can be blackmailed with photos of them with some dual citizen Mata Hari like Chandra Levy and America's Sweetheart, Monica Lewinsky giving them a Chinese basket job.

"I'm a bookkeeper's son I don't want to shoot no one Well I crossed my old man back in Oregon Don't take me alive Got a case of dynamite I could hold out here all night Yes I crossed my old man back in Oregon Don't take me alive.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-01-30   16:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: HOUNDDAWG (#40)

I'm not contending that Paul must address 9/11 or that he should do this or that. I'm just warning his adulators not to be too devastated when he throws in the towel again.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-01-31   16:36:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Artisan, *Obama Reality Check* (#41)

I'm just warning his adulators not to be too devastated when he throws in the towel again.

America will be devastated if the Mocha Messiah gets re-elected to another 4- year term of non-stop golfing while his wife uses the U.S. Treasury as her personal charge-card. It'll be the other shoe dropping and he'll finish what FDR and LBJ started: the total destruction of America as a constitutional republic.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-01-31   16:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: X-15 (#42)

Murika has been doomed since long before i was born, but facing reality is the best course. You know no politician is going to save this place.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-01-31   17:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Artisan (#41) (Edited)

washingtontimes.com, Jan 29, Ron Paul: In it to win it + more Endorsements, mentioned in the Comments section:

Brevard County paper ( Fla ) endorses Dr. Paul

Ron Paul Endorsed By Maine State Rep. Aaron Libby

abcnews.com, Jan. 29, Ron Paul Is Placing Big Bets on Nevada: Paul said this morning he’s in the race through the convention.

2 min. revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/: MSNBC - Ron Paul has staying power in GOP race -- surprisingly upbeat MSM reporting on Ron Paul

Edited to correct date of washingtontimes.com article.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-01-31   18:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine, Refinersfire, All (#40)

You saw how they used an old newsletter to keep him from discussing the FED, unlimited spending on senseless wars and the papering of the planet with the FED's fiat Monopoly munny, right?

Some are still trying to do that so this is to dispell their muckraking and plants.

4um Title: Ron Paul's "Racist Writings" DEBUNKED. Real Author: James B. Powell exposed by Ben Swann & TMOT [15 min. Reality Check video]

4um Title: 4um Title: Link to pdf of "racist" Ron Paul Newsletter | http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/UrbanViolence.pdf

This is for anyone who might have missed that Ron Paul has aknowledged flawed management of the newsletters:

Ron Paul ABC This Week Interview 01/01/12 - at 6:10

This is what the Press has almost unanimously been pretending to have amnesia about in context of that era and this election: Pres. Clinton says lack of dialogue on race main problem; Obama and the racist, Anti-American Rev. Wright; etc. like that.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-01-31   21:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: bluegrass (#39)

Just so you know I didn't pull this out of my ear, here's a reference from the era:

Reminiscences of Senator William M. Stewart, of Nevada, 1908.

"...The active cooperation of Grover Cleveland in the manipulation of the currency by the Rothschilds of London and J. Pierpont Morgan of New York was very unpopular with the people. He was accused by both leading Democrats and Republicans of having betrayed his party and of having turned his back upon the Democratic platform of 1884 upon which he was elected."

I didn't think you did that but thanks for that very interesting history. :)

Read through the chapter you linked and skimmed through the next, which mentions Cleveland's appointment to the Supreme Court of a former Confederate and Sen. Stewart's support for his controversial seating, so as to sidestep a Loyalty Oath crisis in the South. It also mentions the "Lodge Force Act", which failed then to put our elections under the control of the Executive Branch but might have reappeared and passed later in the form of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Both of those issues would make good discussion topics as well but back to the Cleveland issue...

Sen. Stewart mentioned "the Silver Delegates" and he would probably be one of them, being from Nevada. He mentioned the Sherman Silver Act, which was later cited by other sources as economically problematic and having some bearing on low gold reserves. I don't know much about all of that and don't know what he means by Cleveland's "raid on the finances of the country" but he seems far more critical of Pres. Harrison than Cleveland. Conditions that led to the Panic were in the works before Cleveland's term then so, gold reserves reportedly being low, I guess I still have basically the same questions about what he should have done regarding a sound money system: taken us off the Gold Standard? Moved us to a Silver Standard only? -- but silver mines were closing down out West. Could he have bought gold from sellers other than the Rothschilds? I don't know but am guessing that the name Rothschild might not have had such dastardly repute at the time as it does now.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-01-31   22:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Artisan (#41)

I'm not contending that Paul must address 9/11 or that he should do this or that. I'm just warning his adulators not to be too devastated when he throws in the towel again.

He's no doubt aware that he's being tolerated until the time comes to nuke his campaign.

And, he's using the time to educate the one percentile who can learn when they hear something new.

This war may come down to 5% fighting with us, 5% against and the other 90% going along with whoever wins.

"Got a case of dynamite, I could hold out here all night... Yes I crossed my old man back in Oregon Don't take me alive.__Steely Dan

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-02-01   9:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: GreyLmist (#45)

Very good vids, neither of which I had previously seen.

Thank you for posting them.

"Got a case of dynamite, I could hold out here all night... Yes I crossed my old man back in Oregon Don't take me alive.__Steely Dan

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-02-01   13:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#48)

Thank you and you're welcome. Here's another video of a Jan. 27 CNN interview of Ron Paul by Jon King. The first 2 mins. or so are on the subject of recent allegations about the newsletters, which he refutes.

Ron Paul To CNN "I Don't Know How Long You Wanna Beat A Dead Horse!"

Am posting this 2 1/2 min. video because it shows that Gingrich had gone to quite some lengths to keep Ron Paul from returning to Washington by sabotaging his 1996 re-election campaign.

Gingrich Campaigned Against Ron Paul

This is a transcript for the 15 min. Reality Check video at fox19.com.

If, as reported there, a 1997 New Republic report by James Kirchick started the allegedly-racist newsletter-hoopla, Kirchick would have been 14 years old at the time. Perhaps the date of that report was actually 2008, as referenced here. A minor detail, maybe, but -- in addition to raising questions about Kirchick's statements -- a 1997 date would place the report-flap in near conjuction with Gingrich's efforts to sabotage Ron Paul's 1996 re-election campaign. Either way, Kirchick is a Gingrich Neocon-associate and I do suspect that controversial newsletter-writer, James B. Powell, and others may have been planted in close proximity to Paul as saboteur-infiltraitors (perhaps even Lew Rockwell) to muddy his Constitutional and economic/monetary messages. That was similarly the case, imo, when his still active 2008 Presidential campaign was blanked out at Antiwar.com after 3 staffers there had become advisors to him.

These are references, which link Prague-based, New Republic author, James Kirchick (named in the Reality Check investigation), to Gingrich and a Neocon Think Tank.

Scroll down here to: Kirchick owned by a Neocon NGO and Gingrich?

The NGO funded by Neoconservatives, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies

Biography:
James Kirchick is a journalist and foreign correspondent based in Prague. Before joining FDD he was writer-at-large for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, writing about the politics and cultures of the 21 countries in RFE/RL’s broadcast region. Among the stories he covered were the fraudulent 2010 presidential election in Belarus, ethnic cleansing in Kyrgyzstan, and the Libyan Civil War.

For over three years, Kirchick worked at The New Republic, covering domestic politics, intelligence, and American foreign policy ...

Areas of Impact:
Arab Spring, Europe, Iran - Human Rights, Israel

FDD Team – Leadership Council
R. James Woolsey, chairman
Amb. Richard Carlson, vice-chairman
Dr. Paula J. Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Judge Louis J. Freeh v Amb. Max. M. Kampelman
Bill Kristol
Sen. Joseph Lieberman
Robert ‘Bud’ McFarlane

Foundation for Defense of Democracies
Fighting Terrorism and Promoting Freedom

The Foundation for Defense of Democracies promotes energy sanctions on Iran as part of a comprehensive strategy to pressure the Iranian regime to abandon its pursuit of nuclear weapons, support for terrorism, and brutal oppression of its own people.

Gingrich Skulking Behind Ron Paul Attacks?

The last link is to a Dec. 21, 2011 Activist Post article by Tony Cartalucci for more info on the FDD association between Kirchick and Gingrich. This is an excerpt:

GOP presidential contender Newt Gingrich, a corporate-financier sponsored Council on Foreign Relations member also was a "distinguished advisor" at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), a warmongering, Neo-Con think-tank and the architects of both the costly unending wars America has been fighting for the last 2 decades and the resulting war profiteering. The FDD is also the same think-tank from which attacks against Ron Paul are being launched via FDD "fellow" James Kirchick.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-01   17:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GreyLmist (#46)

Could he have bought gold from sellers other than the Rothschilds?

Not in the quantities needed. The Rothschild-Morgan combine had spent the better part of 20 years, 1870's until 1895, sucking gold from the US Treasury by every method they knew.

It was quite the operation: create a gold shortage and manipulate the railroad bond market to cause the 1893 Panic, then step in and lend the US Government its own gold at interest in 1895.

am guessing that the name Rothschild might not have had such dastardly repute at the time as it does now.

They weren't liked much then either. ; )

The secret of the Rothschilds By Mary E. Hobart, 1898

bluegrass  posted on  2012-02-01   22:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: bluegrass, All (#50)

The secret of the Rothschilds By Mary E. Hobart, 1898

What a great book! Thanks for the link to look through it online. I highly recommend it for everyone concerned about America and civilization. My favorite part was on page 49 of Chapter III that says we do not and never did owe them.

It explained much about our problems and those of Cleveland's time as well. I learned that the gold reserves were low because financiers were buying up greenbacks for 30 something cents on a dollar and demading our Treasury redeem them at full dollar value in gold. It also explained the silver manipulations going on then and tariffs "in a nutshell".

I very much liked the island stories starting at page 14 and towards the end. The second was surprisingly like the time-based currency system that I've tried to advance as a possible alternative for the ridiculously fluctuating economy and debt-based monetary systems that are Unconstitutional on a number of levels and worse than useless except to wealthy gamblers. Not only their monetary system but their entire economic and societal valuation system should be scrapped or zoned as not of our Constitutional Republic.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-02   1:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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