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Title: How Not To Argue That We’re Running Out Of Oil
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Council on Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2012/01/2 ... -that-were-running-out-of-oil/
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Michael Levi
Post Date: 2012-01-28 12:06:03 by lead.and.lag
Keywords: None
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Comments: 257
you can read this article here at the CFR site. the author, Michael Levi, is the David M. Rubenstein Senior Fellow for Energy and the Environment at the CFR, and his artticle is a mixture of disinformation, bad metaphors, and haywire logic. his argument, although it's kinda hard to pin down, seems to be: party on, dudes, and dont worry about oil. my comments, which are languishing, and most likey will die, in "awaiting moderation" limbo, go like this... does this mean that the PNAC/AEI/exxon people didnt have to do 9/11 in response to peak oil? 3000 american lives, countless lives elsewhere… wasted, because nobody saw shale oil coming. what a tragedy." and... http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1215/pnacprogress6272011.jpg this article is being discussed at theoildrum, despite attempts to derail it to a discussion of newt's moonbase scheme. "oh, man…
"here’s a map PNAC’s efforts in response to their misperceptions of peak oil.
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#183. To: FormerLurker (#174)
Did I ever say that it couldn't? No. In fact I said that it does explain how planets get hydrocarbons, but that is a far cry from having crude oil. -------------------------------------------------------- Coolness. Life is fecund and pervasive. We have found life in deep sea volcanic vents to ice in the frozen wastelands of Antarctica. As well, despite the attempts to suppress the evidence and spin it away, Mars as well. So, given that history, it does not surprise me much, if at all, to find life deep within the inhospitable bowels of the earth. Po' beebe get his feewings hurt? I wish I could be more sure of this but I believe I read in Scientific American a long time age that geologists found Very Slow growing bacteria, alive, deep within granite. I suppose even bullshit has its uses. But you sure do produce a lot of it. -------------------------------------------------------- When you get a minute, draw up a list of the accepted theories that fall within The One True Faith? Thanks.
Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "theory". Then ask yourself if abiotic oil fits the definition or not. Do you even HAVE a theory, or do you just think satan made it down there in hell or something? I don't have to have a personal theory. Why reinvent the wheel? If people that are smarter than I am, and with more equipment and money, say it was based on fossil life forms, then that is what it is. Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories", no matter how off the wall they are. If it goes against their perceived "conspirators", then they'll believe it, proof be damned. The question evident from your post is that you have no clear understanding of what a theory is. For the record, if one is following the Scientific Method a theory is nothing more than a hypothesis, a provisional explanation, which seems to account for all of the observed data and phenomena. A theory is only as good as the observations which support it and becomes instantly invalid upon the observation of even one contrary datum since it no longer accounts for all of the observed data. In that event then the theory must be reformulated to account for the new datum or completely discarded and a new one formulated which accounts for all of the data. Not surprisingly I see you fall back on your usual gratuitous nastiness and logical fallacies as you assert your own "worthy" opinion. Many of the accepted theories of today were yesterdays heresies. For example: Tube based electronics was once state of the art. The first man to invent radio was laughed at. Nikola Tesla was called a kook - the man who developed the theory and practice of Alternating Current, AC Motors, and electric power transmission. I could go through a considerable list of former theories that were once accepted as the last, final, and ultimate word, e.g., Uniformitarian Geology as propounded by Hutton won out over Cuvier's theories of Catastrophism. Cuvier was laughed at and ridiculed by the Scientific Mainstream and yet today he is being proven correct. Massive earth changes can and do happen in the geologic blink of an eye, and we now know some of the causes e.g., asteroid impacts, pole shifts, etc., ... Even that the continents do move and realign, as theorized by Alfred Wegner, was laughed at, derided, and ridiculed by the "authorities". Embarassingly Wegner was proven correct with the discovery of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge during the International Geophysical Year and is now called "Plate Tectonics" - something which you tried to use to earlier justify your slavish devotion to the official theories. The sheer level of ignorance in your post, pontificated upon as though it were holy writ, boggles the mind. However, you need not worry about it as it would seem that anything quite so mind boggling and requiring any imagination beyond what kind of beer the local gas stations carries is beyond your feeble ken. Reliance upon such Ad Hominem terms as "conspiracy theory" is another demonstration of your inability to go where the facts would seem to point. The facts are what they are and the evidence of large scale machinations is present if one wishes to expose their head to fresh air and actually look at what the data infers. A conspiracy at its most basic is nothing more that two or more people working together in secret to do something which is often illegal and outright criminal. Conspiracies, and even large ones, are as old as human history. Just ask Julius Ceasar, or the Medicis, Lucretia Borgia, or any of a number of other historical figures of power and influence who have operated behind the scenes to further their own ends. The American Revolution began as a "conspiracy" against the Crown of England. So, please feel free to bleatingly follow that which you have been told that you will believe, and repeat the mantras you been programmed with. As for the rest of us who prefer to think for ourselves we are not only independent in our thought but rather cantankerously obstinate about our right, and even duty, to think for ourselves. You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming. Have a nice day. :-) Ping to my above.
I think you missed some people. Perhaps you think they will back you up? I mean, they haven;t been on this thread, they have shown absolutely no interest in it, but they might read all 180+ posts, just for you. So, rally those troops! Now you can post all sorts of off topic things, like Tesla, vacuum tubes, etc. But none of it has anything to do with abiotic oil. I know, you needed a distraction. Distracting means no evidence for the topic at hand is needed, right? You just say "OH, LOOK OVER HERE!!!! Dont look at that, but LOOK AT THIS!" You're so transparent. You need to try harder. -------------------------------------------------------- Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "theory". Then ask yourself if abiotic oil fits the definition or not. You're welcome -------------------------------------------------------- Poooh beebe. Of course I invited a crowd - I like sharing the fun. Unlike you I am a social, and sociable, person who enjoys sharing a good laugh. I can understand though why you may not share in the mirth. I guess that's a burden I'll have to bear. I see that you did ping some of the OI Ass Kissing Brigade, along with some others, so perhaps they will chime in and post a "PSUSA is a dumbass heheehehehe". That's OK, I'll never see it. They're even more idiotic than you are.
-------------------------------------------------------- When you get a minute, draw up a list of the accepted theories that fall within The One True Faith? Thanks. lol good one Is that another one if your silly pics? If so, AdBlock+ is a great addon. I recommend it for everyone. It's so handy. -------------------------------------------------------- "For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of England “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI President Franklin Roosevelt Nov. 21, 1933 "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson." "Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" ~ Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) from "The Sign of Four" It is as though there have been others that came before us who suspected conspiracies as well... So the Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc., are all delusions of paranoids, eh? Is abiotic oil even a theory? This is what it's about, right? Abiotic oil? Not the 'Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc.' -------------------------------------------------------- I recommend it for everyone. It's so handy. I see, that as usual, you don't get the picture. Thankfully the sentient in the audience do. You said all theories are just workings of lunatics for the most part. PSUSA2: Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories" Yes, it's a theory, just as biogenic oil and peak oil are just theories. "For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of England “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI President Franklin Roosevelt Nov. 21, 1933 "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson." "Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" ~ Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) from "The Sign of Four" It is as though there have been others that came before us who suspected conspiracies as well... Oh, one or two. The problem of course, as you are well aware, is that the term "conspiracy theory", with all of its negative connotations of irrationality, is a term that was invented and pushed as a way to silence inconvenient voices who were pointing at "the man behind the curtain". It is trotted out now everytime someone wants to shut down a line of debate, or questioning, which might point at some reality that the elites do not want us poor serfs to notice. This is, after it is stripped down to its basics, nothing more than a cloaked form of Argumentum Ad Hominem used simply to silence people and keep them from looking and thinking for themselves. For the small minded who will not think for themselves it works. After all if something is contrary to the "the official theory" it can't possibly be true. Right? Just ask JFK since the term seems to have first been invented to shut up all of those "crazy people" questioning the official story of his assassination. Methane exists on Titan and in the atmospheres of the outer planets. It's already a known fact that hydrocarbons can be created in an abiotic environment.
It's not so easy being the Debil's advocate, eh?
i got to admit it's pretty comical watching you guys defend the CFR's position on peak oil.
Good one. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I never said that there wasn't. In fact, I said that there was. So what? THat doesn't mean that there is crude oil there. Please show where I said differently. Thank you. Please show that this "theory" is proven. Thank you. Please show where oil has been discovered on these planets. Thank you. Please show where one well has been dug and is producing oil in accordance with this "theory". Thank you. Please show how this even qualifies as a theory. THank you. The "thank you's" are fucking irritating, arent they? Perhaps I should just have said fuck you. -------------------------------------------------------- I think it's comical how many idiots are even here in the first place. They don't even know what a theory is. But they're scientists. Yep. They are real scientists. At least they play scientists on 4um. But don't ask them what a theory is. Do that and they're stumped. They can look it up on wiki, but comprehending the definition is another matter entirely. Especially when that definition is not to their liking. Damn! People are funny! If these "truth seekers" are the best we have, we are in huge trouble. I'm just glad that there are real smart people here. -------------------------------------------------------- Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation Please show that this "theory" is proven. Thank you. Please show where oil has been discovered on these planets. Thank you. Please show where one well has been dug and is producing oil in accordance with this "theory". Thank you. Please show how this even qualifies as a theory. THank you. The "thank you's" are fucking irritating, arent they? Perhaps I should just have said fuck you. -------------------------------------------------------- See OI? You dont need to be a scientist to copy/paste.
-------------------------------------------------------- I think it's comical how many idiots are even here in the first place. They don't even know what a theory is. But they're scientists. Yep. They are real scientists. At least they play scientists on 4um. But don't ask them what a theory is. Do that and they're stumped. They can look it up on wiki, but comprehending the definition is another matter entirely. Especially when that definition is not to their liking. Damn! People are funny! If these "truth seekers" are the best we have, we are in huge trouble. I'm just glad that there are real smart people here. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues. 4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength. 5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do. 6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up. A great labor saving device that. For example your cute widdle caw-ment. No point in re-inventing the wheel. Oh, I forgot you don't like big words. A wheel is a circle thing that rolls round and round. I'll say this. You are one persistent leg humper. You also add to the forum. You're a great teaching aid, to my fellow NSA CIA FBI students. Keep up the good work. Now we know that you have to get up pretty early in the morning to get anything past you. -------------------------------------------------------- I never said that you never said that there wasn't.
Good one. Thanks. Did you think that up all by's your liddle self? Let me make a note of that. You are just soooooooooooooo witty in a mind numbed way. Assuming of course that someone considers vomitus witty. why would the CFR want to confuse the peak oil issue? maybe because they figured out, within 30 seconds of that second plane hitting the towers, that this was the "new jpearl harbor" that their buddies in PNAC wanted? maybe it took them another 30 seconds to realize that PNAC staged 9/11. maybe it took them another 30 seconds figure out peak oil, and peak oil's role as motive for the 9/11... maybe it took them another nano-second and a half to figure out peak oil must be denied at all costs, lest people start connecting the dots.
Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#184. To: FormerLurker, tom007, Lod, wudidz, intotheabyss, All (#161)
But are there dinosaurs?! See! /sarcasm
#185. To: PSUSA2, FormerLurker (#181)
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I haven't blaster anyone, except for OI and his ass kissers.
You mess weeth the buull you get thee horns. Eh amigo?
#186. To: FormerLurker (#178)
Can you imagine what sort of critters there are below the earth's crust?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#187. To: Original_Intent (#185)
You mess weeth the buull you get
thee horns bullshit.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#188. To: PSUSA2 (#182)
Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories"...
#189. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#182)
Since you seem eager to ridicule any theory which suggests how crude oil is formed,
"I don't have to have a personal theory. Why reinvent the wheel?"
"Why bother to think? Other people will do it for me."
Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories", no matter how off the wall they are.
"If man were mean't to fly God would have given him wings."
"Man will never go to the moon space travel is just impossible Science Fiction."
"Truth will always be truth, regadless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." ~ W. Clement Stone
"For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of England
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI
President Franklin Roosevelt Nov. 21, 1933 "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson."
"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson
"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" ~ Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) from "The Sign of Four"
#190. To: bluegrass (#189)
#191. To: Original_Intent (#189)
PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#192. To: bluegrass (#188)
When you get a minute, draw up a list of the accepted theories that fall within The One True Faith? Thanks.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#193. To: PSUSA2 (#191)
#194. To: Original_Intent (#193)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#195. To: PSUSA2 (#194)
#196. To: bluegrass (#188)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#197. To: Original_Intent (#195)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#198. To: Original_Intent (#189)
"Truth will always be truth, regadless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." ~ W. Clement Stone
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#199. To: PSUSA2 (#182)
Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#200. To: ALL (#199)
Two HUNNERT!!!!!!!
#201. To: FormerLurker (#199)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#202. To: PSUSA2 (#197)
Is that another one if your silly pics? If so, AdBlock+ is a great addon.
Hasty Lombago Chemosobby!
#203. To: PSUSA2 (#201)
This is what it's about, right? Abiotic oil? Not the 'Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc.'
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#204. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#201)
This is what it's about, right? Abiotic oil? Not the 'Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc.'
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#205. To: PSUSA2 (#201)
Is abiotic oil even a theory?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#206. To: wudidiz (#198)
"Truth will always be truth, regadless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." ~ W. Clement Stone
#207. To: PSUSA2 (#192)
#208. To: PSUSA2 (#201)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#209. To: All (#0)
#210. To: Original_Intent (#189)
BSUSATOO
#211. To: bluegrass (#207)
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Methane exists on Titan and in the atmospheres of the outer planets. It's already a known fact that hydrocarbons can be created in an abiotic environment.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#212. To: lead.and.lag (#209)
i got to admit it's pretty comical watching you guys defend the CFR's position on peak oil.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#213. To: PSUSA2, bluegrass (#211)
The "thank you's" are fucking irritating, arent they? Perhaps I should just have said fuck you.
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
#214. To: Original_Intent (#213)
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#215. To: All (#214)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#216. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#212)
i got to admit it's pretty comical watching you guys defend the CFR's position on peak oil.
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
#217. To: PSUSA2 (#215)
See OI? You dont need to be a scientist to copy/paste.
#218. To: Original_Intent (#217)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#219. To: PSUSA2 (#211)
I never said that there wasn't.
#220. To: James Deffenbach (#210)
BSUSATOO
#221. To: PSUSA2, All (#218)
I'll say this. You are one persistent leg humper.
#222. To: All (#0)
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#223. To: lead.and.lag, all (#222)
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
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