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Title: How Not To Argue That We’re Running Out Of Oil
Source: Council on Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2012/01/2 ... -that-were-running-out-of-oil/
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Michael Levi
Post Date: 2012-01-28 12:06:03 by lead.and.lag
Keywords: None
Views: 8336
Comments: 257

you can read this article here at the CFR site.

the author, Michael Levi, is the David M. Rubenstein Senior Fellow for Energy and the Environment at the CFR, and his artticle is a mixture of disinformation, bad metaphors, and haywire logic.

his argument, although it's kinda hard to pin down, seems to be: party on, dudes, and dont worry about oil.

my comments, which are languishing, and most likey will die, in "awaiting moderation" limbo, go like this...

"oh, man…

does this mean that the PNAC/AEI/exxon people didnt have to do 9/11 in response to peak oil?

3000 american lives, countless lives elsewhere… wasted, because nobody saw shale oil coming.

what a tragedy."

and...

"here’s a map PNAC’s efforts in response to their misperceptions of peak oil.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1215/pnacprogress6272011.jpg

this article is being discussed at theoildrum, despite attempts to derail it to a discussion of newt's moonbase scheme.

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#222. To: All (#0) (Edited)

why would the CFR want to confuse the peak oil issue?

maybe because they figured out, within 30 seconds of that second plane hitting the towers, that this was the "new jpearl harbor" that their buddies in PNAC wanted?

maybe it took them another 30 seconds to realize that PNAC staged 9/11.

maybe it took them another 30 seconds figure out peak oil, and peak oil's role as motive for the 9/11...

maybe it took them another nano-second and a half to figure out peak oil must be denied at all costs, lest people start connecting the dots.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-01-31   18:11:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: lead.and.lag (#222)

maybe it took them another nano-second and a half to figure out peak oil must be denied at all costs, lest people start connecting the dots.

People that try and "connect the dots" end up drawing some very strange pictures.

I'd say that they did it only for maintaining stability. Panicky people are stupid people, even more stupid than usual. Tell them that we're running out of oil and you will have panic.

On 9/11 I stopped in a small town in OK to fuel up, because no way would I make it to my next fuel stop. In that small town, Hooker OK with a population of 1900, cars were backed up about a mile, waiting. Inside, it was fucking chaos. If people are that screwed up in the head on that day, what are they going to do when it's the real deal?

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-31   18:33:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: PSUSA2 (#226)

On 9/11 I stopped in a small town in OK to fuel up, because no way would I make it to my next fuel stop. In that small town, Hooker OK with a population of 1900, cars were backed up about a mile, waiting. Inside, it was fucking chaos. If people are that screwed up in the head on that day, what are they going to do when it's the real deal?

Genetic research suggests that all humans came from a small (6000) population that had been nearly wiped out of genetic existence by various calamities, a random guess here something like 50,000 yo.

tom007  posted on  2012-01-31   20:48:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: tom007 (#246)

I think I remember reading where there was more than one such genetic "bottleneck".

But it can't happen today, right? We have technology. We're just more special than they were back then.

I can't decide whether to be an optimist or a pessimist.

One thing that's interesting about that OK town. MOst people think that rural people have their acts together, they're the salt of the earth, no BS kinds of people. I didn't see that. I saw wild eyed nutcases. I dont know if others saw similar things or not.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-31   22:08:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: PSUSA2 (#253)

I can't decide whether to be an optimist or a pessimist.

Yea it's tough.

An optimistic pessimist is my thought.

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