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Title: How Not To Argue That We’re Running Out Of Oil
Source: Council on Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2012/01/2 ... -that-were-running-out-of-oil/
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Michael Levi
Post Date: 2012-01-28 12:06:03 by lead.and.lag
Keywords: None
Views: 8946
Comments: 257

you can read this article here at the CFR site.

the author, Michael Levi, is the David M. Rubenstein Senior Fellow for Energy and the Environment at the CFR, and his artticle is a mixture of disinformation, bad metaphors, and haywire logic.

his argument, although it's kinda hard to pin down, seems to be: party on, dudes, and dont worry about oil.

my comments, which are languishing, and most likey will die, in "awaiting moderation" limbo, go like this...

"oh, man…

does this mean that the PNAC/AEI/exxon people didnt have to do 9/11 in response to peak oil?

3000 american lives, countless lives elsewhere… wasted, because nobody saw shale oil coming.

what a tragedy."

and...

"here’s a map PNAC’s efforts in response to their misperceptions of peak oil.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1215/pnacprogress6272011.jpg

this article is being discussed at theoildrum, despite attempts to derail it to a discussion of newt's moonbase scheme.

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#77. To: lead.and.lag, PSUSA2, Original_Intent, wudidiz, All (#0)

Methane and other hydrocarbons occur naturally within the earth and other planets.

You can't tell me dinosaurs used to roam around on Jupiter.

The Origin of Methane (and Oil) in the Crust of the Earth - USGS Professional Paper 1570, The Future of Energy Gases, 1993

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-29   20:44:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: FormerLurker (#77)

You may be right. I'm not a geologist, or a chemist, and unlike some others, I do not play one on 4um.

So, tell me, chemist/geologist/astronomer. Tell me if other planets methane and other hydrocarbons = oil. I guess you know, don't you? You claim to. So explain it to me.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-29   21:43:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: PSUSA2 (#80)

Tell me if other planets methane and other hydrocarbons = oil

Oil is a hydrocarbon. Methane is a precursor to oil.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-30   11:14:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: FormerLurker (#93)

Oil is a hydrocarbon. Methane is a precursor to oil.

Wow. With logic like that, you can't possibly go wrong.

Methane is a precursor to oil? Really? If you want to play chemist, you might want to do some basic research first. THen. maybe you can fake it more convincingly. THen you might be able to convince others, if they are gullible.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-01-30   12:04:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#95. To: PSUSA2, Original_Intent (#94)

Methane is a precursor to oil? Really? If you want to play chemist, you might want to do some basic research first. THen. maybe you can fake it more convincingly. THen you might be able to convince others, if they are gullible.

Methane is a hydrocarbon chain with just one carbon atom (CH4). Ethane has two C atoms (C2H6), propane has 3 (C3H8) and butane has 4 (C4H10).

Those are all gases which derive from simple methane.

Hydrocarbon chains with 5 to 18 carbon atoms are liquid, and form substances such as naphthas (5 to 7 carbon atoms), gasoline which is blended from hydrocarbons with 7 to 11 carbon atoms, kerosene (12 to 15 carbon atoms), then lubricating oils.

Hydrocarbon chains containing over 20 carbon atoms form paraffin wax, tar, and asphalt.

Comets are made of hydrocarbons, including tar. Dinosaurs did not hatch comets, nor did they pee oil deep into the earth for that matter.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-30 12:27:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: PSUSA2 (#94)

Did you even know that crude oil is just a blend of many different hydrocarbons?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-01-30 12:28:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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