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Title: How Not To Argue That We’re Running Out Of Oil
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Council on Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2012/01/2 ... -that-were-running-out-of-oil/
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Michael Levi
Post Date: 2012-01-28 12:06:03 by lead.and.lag
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Comments: 257
you can read this article here at the CFR site. the author, Michael Levi, is the David M. Rubenstein Senior Fellow for Energy and the Environment at the CFR, and his artticle is a mixture of disinformation, bad metaphors, and haywire logic. his argument, although it's kinda hard to pin down, seems to be: party on, dudes, and dont worry about oil. my comments, which are languishing, and most likey will die, in "awaiting moderation" limbo, go like this... does this mean that the PNAC/AEI/exxon people didnt have to do 9/11 in response to peak oil? 3000 american lives, countless lives elsewhere… wasted, because nobody saw shale oil coming. what a tragedy." and... http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1215/pnacprogress6272011.jpg this article is being discussed at theoildrum, despite attempts to derail it to a discussion of newt's moonbase scheme. "oh, man…
"here’s a map PNAC’s efforts in response to their misperceptions of peak oil.
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Kikes. That says it all. -------------------------------------------------------- yup, they gotta blow smoke in case people start connecting the dots... good thing to blow a little smoke back at them, once in a while... but i got to admit i'm suruprised that the CFR, as of right now, posted that first comment i made... not the map, though... that's getting a little too close to home.
If it wasn't for us being over in the ME in the fist place, due to the oil, israel would be screwed. They'd have been pushed into the Med to drown like the rats they are, years ago. They have to keep us involved. Small wonder that kikes write things like this. BTW, I am only going off your interpretation of the article. I didn't read it. I didn't have to.
-------------------------------------------------------- something seems to be happening... a loosening up of permissible speculation about 9/11... the CFR posts that comment, energybulletin posts a similar comment on an article disussing the original nature article... dont know... maybe those comments are being used as a weather gauge... the CFR and energybulletin hoping for thousands of outraged responses to my comments... what happens if the outrage doesnt materialize?
There is enough oil in the world to drown the human race. Oil is NOT a fossil fuel. It is a natural creation of the Earth and its geological wonders. True fossil fuel is coal. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
which I buy 80 pounds of every week to heat iron and shape it into various implements. in fact I plan on burning at least 20 pounds of the stuff today. Ah, is forger are you? (I don't mean that in a bad way.) Good for you. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
We are not in the Middle East due to the oil. The oil is purely secondary and is important only in that excessive oil production lowers the profit margins of the major oil companies, and provides the income for Arab countries to modernize. No, the reason we are in the Middle East is to prevent Arab countries from modernizing. Pooooooooooooooor little Israel quakes in their boots at the mere though of an educated and organized Arab world. That is the reason Iraq and Libya were taken down as well as the current assaults on Syria and Iran (the Israeli destruction of Lebanese infrastructure is another). Israel sees its geopolitical and regional dominance at its height by keeping their neighbors mired in the 11th century of Muslim Fundamentalism. Iraq and Libya had a couple of things in common: They were pluralistic and granted full rights to women, and they were rapidly modernizing and spending their oil money on building up infrastructure and human capital i.e., education. Notice in post war Iraq and present day Iran the murder of intellectuals and the well educated - particularly scientists and engineers. And the most important point tying them together is that none of them had/have a ROTHSCHILD CONTROLLED Central Bank. Even worse Ghadaffi was working to create an African monetary union which would have disempowered Rothschild control through much of Africa. Trying to spin this as about "Oil" when oil is abundant and readily available is flat bullshit - it is misdirection and blowing smoke up people's asses. It is a classic disinformation technique - spin the available evidence toward a "plausible" but false alternative. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place. Example: 'The cargo door failed on Flight 800 and caused a catastrophic breakup which ruptured the fuel tank and caused it to explode.' Proper response: The best definitive example of avoiding issues by this technique is, perhaps, Arlan Specter's Magic Bullet from the Warren Report. This was eloquently defeated in court but media blindly accepted it without challenge. Thus rewarded, disinformationalists do not shrink from its application, even though today, thanks in part to the movie, JFK, most Americans do now understand it was fabricated nonsense. Thus the defense which works best may actually be to cite the Magic Bullet. 'You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your imaginative twisting of facts rivals that of Arlan Specter's Magic Bullet in the Warren Report. We all know why the impossible magic bullet was invented. You invent a cargo door problem when there has been not one shred of evidence from the crash investigation to support it, and in fact, actual photos of the cargo door hinges and locks disprove you. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 15 - fit facts to an alternate conclusion)?' 20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications. working on Viking era spear points today, and if time allows start work on the other two sword blanks I prepped a few days back.
I dont give 2 shits if you agree with me or not. Trying to spin this as about "Oil" when oil is abundant and readily available is flat bullshit - it is misdirection and blowing smoke up people's asses. It is a classic disinformation technique - spin the available evidence toward a "plausible" but false alternative. Even though I dont care what you think, I thought that was funny. I know it wasn't intentionally funny, and that makes it even more funny. having the kikes in 'israel' gives us a foothold in the ME, AND it also gives the kikes a lot of leverage in getting what they want. And that is all about oil. Unless, it's all about finding sand for the kids sandboxes. -------------------------------------------------------- Some of these loudmouth assholes are in so far over their heads it's laughable. Well done. That's 99th percentile in accuracy and delivery. Some Big Lies are tough to let go of, like - oil is a fossil fuel - LOL. Even my children said, Dad how deep do they have to drill for oil? Did the dinosaurs really live in Center Earth? And on, and on. LOL It was a good kids movie though.
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And this should concern me how? As usual you use your standard tactic of including inflammatory and offensive language - not that it really bothers me - something we both know at this point is something you do intentionally to create a repugnant aura on 4um. However, contrary to what you might think, please excuse the exaggeration, it offends me not in the least as it simply makes you look stupid and doubly so given that I run rings around you whenever I'm in the mood to hit the punching bag. Mostly you are amusing in your transparency. As for the laughable contention that the Middle East wars are about oil it is so ludicrous as to occasion only gales of laughter that you would still continue to use that spin line. Only the superficial and media programmed are likely to swallow that whopper. The planet is awash in oil and in fact we're floating on the stuff. Natural gas is so abundant that the price has been going down again as there is more supply than demand - much to the chagrin of the producers, and if we could ever get through the wall of suppression which holds back fusion and zero-point systems all of that excess becomes nearly worthless. No, there are a multitude of systems that make oil and gas as energy sources as outdated as steam - except the banksters and power seekers do not want to let it on to the market as we schmucks would become that much more independent of them and local industry would outstrip China-Mart within a couple of years. No, the wars in the Middle East are about several things but oil is very very low on the list - other than as a way to restrict energy supplies and control the Hoi Polloi. Hee, hee. Dinosaur Oil ranks right up there with the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and Santa the Surf. It amuses me greatly to see the various shills still trying to sell the line that Oil and Gas are the remnants of Dinosaur farts or whatever. There is no shortage of oil as there is more than enough supply to last several centuries even at increased rates of consumption. The only oil shortages are contrived shortages to jack up the price. One of the bigger giveaways was when the majors bought up all of the independent refining capacity, refused to build new refineries to meet the increased demand, and Geeeeeee Duhbya's maladminstration would NOT grant permits for the building of new independent refineries that would have increased supply and decreased the pump price on gas. As well is all of the suppressed technology for energy production. You'll see something pop up in the nooze every now and then and then it just disappears down the memory hole as though it never existed, and inventors have "accidents" or suddenly increased bank accounts and tight lips. You are on a roll today! lmfao! Only the superficial and media programmed are likely to swallow that whopper. The planet is awash in oil and in fact we're floating on the stuff. much to the chagrin of the producers, and if we could ever get through the wall of suppression which holds back fusion and zero-point systems So that is why researchers are working in these things. It's so they can keep them hidden. Damn you're stupid. But you try to sound so smart. -------------------------------------------------------- My Grandpa told me the same things you just said but many decades ago. Are we related? LOL Again, I applaud someone like you taking the time to print common sense and truth the way we all communicated a long long time ago.
Says the plant trying to Nigger Up 4um. You're very obvious. Probably somewhat intelligent, but still a stinky Hal Turner-like Feral Pig.
And you're on a Troll today. Summed up very nicely. We both know what the real reason for these wars are.... It's about total control and there are not that many independent nations left on this globe. But they are generally those of very strong religious beliefs that block out the crime syndicate from "buying them off" and creating a puppet regime. Having a religious belief that you should not charge usury makes them a huge target of the Rothchild syndicate for sure. Oil is very secondary in the game of global domination or should I say demon-ation. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
And you're on a Troll today. Thanks for the good belly laugh :) It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
If you were smart, you'd do what Jed Clampett did. You'd go out into the woods, and shoot a round somewhere. Then sell the oil, get a nice mansion with a "cee-ment' pond, and have some funny adventures. We're floating on oil, after all. You said so, so it must be true. -------------------------------------------------------- Are we related? LOL Again, I applaud someone like you taking the time to print common sense and truth the way we all communicated a long long time ago. Your Grandpa was a wise man and well ahead of his time in seeing through the Matrix. I thank you for the comparison. It does get interesting though - as more and more people begin to catch on. However, a lot of people are held back by the sheer scale of the machinations and duplicity - it is too big for them to envision the 10,000 ton elephant which has burst the room. What we have is a very small coterie of hyper-wealthy psychotics who are literally trying to engineer a hostile takeover of the planet. The Rothschilds set at the apex of the power pyramid with an estimated real wealth, carefully hidden and camouflaged, of around 50 Trillion dollars per some estimates, but they have flunkies only slightly lower who are high in the cabal. This has truly got to be one of the most insane planets in the universe. Yawn. You have worn out your amusement value. Since Jed appears to be your heeeroe you must be named Jethro. Pleased to meet you Mr. Bodine. You're the dumb fuck that said we are floating on oil. So, cash in on it. Either do that, or you don't even believe in your own bullshit. Nothing you have said disproves that our involvement in the ME is all about oil. If it wasn't for oil, we wouldn't be there. -------------------------------------------------------- not sure I get your meaning.
When I figuratively stand back and assess the nature of man, his history and the world today, I come to the same conclusion. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
You know you can repeat your disinformation lines from your script all you want but no one with any brains or awareness are buying. Oh, and yes I am smarter than you. Quite a bit actually. So, cash in on it. Either do that, or you don't even believe in your own bullshit. Nothing you have said disproves that our involvement in the ME is all about oil. If it wasn't for oil, we wouldn't be there. Aren't there some sort of rules in the handbook your handlers give you that cautions you not to be so overt in your tactics? It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
I mean if I had your skills I'd be stockpiling certain defensive weapons concepts. What you are making could have some incredible applications where I live.
I have an old book from my dad called "The Boy Mechanic". It shows how to build a crossbow with a leaf spring from an automobile. Depending on the thickness used, it can have up to 650 pounds of pull. Something like this might come in handy :) It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Most of the 'handy' people I knew growing up were farmers/farm kids. Ingenuity.
About all that oil we are "floating" on. how about that? See OI, I am on to you. I have been for some time now. You simply cannot tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. When that happens, you resort to calling them names. Not that I mind that. I'll get down in the mud with anyone, you silly cunt. But the post is in chronological order so anyone can figure it out. You know that link to disinfo you love to post? Anyone can go thru this thread and see who is posting the disinfo making silly claims. But you think you are smarter than I am. That, I find amusing, because you have a huge blind spot. You are too stupid to see that blind spot. But others can, because it's all in the open. If they can read and comprehend, they will see it. Now, how about all that oil that we are "floating" on. Where is it? -------------------------------------------------------- maybe we'll talk more as I'm in need of someone for a product evaluation.
Not at all. I'm just intolerant of people with no class. See, wasn't that simple? In the ground. Next question. Then drill. You could be a billionaire. You could be one of the elite! you make it sound so easy, so I guess it really is easy. Shit you really are an idiot. Its so much easier to believe in grand conspiracies. It doesn't matter how many are in on it, because they're all in on it. Right? Yeah, I'm right about you. -------------------------------------------------------- You would like to get under my skin and yet all you do is inevitably make yourself look like a fool. It is almost Shakespearean in proportion. How can it be all about oil when producing states are more than anxious to sell it as a source of much-needed income and also know that American exploration and drilling technology is the best in the world? Iran, for example would love to be selling oil but is constrained from doing so by crazy Jews forcing America to prevent sales through sanctions orchestrated by same crazy zios. In return for oil Iran could use refinery technologies, aircraft and other machine parts from US, an arrangement which would provide much needed jobs for Americans. The oil angle dates back to outdated thinking when everyone thought it should remain at $3/bl. Oil companies subsequently discovered they could become enormously richer with $50 and $100/bl oil with virtually no effect on automobile use.
Probably a rule that if you can't come up with a logical, intelligent, truthful reply then saturate the website with foul language, degrade it so that it's not appealing to readers/visitors who will then tend to avoid it. Just another form of subtle Jew censorship of things that are bad for Israel.
Probably a rule that if you can't come up with a logical, intelligent, truthful reply then saturate the website with foul language, degrade it so that it's not appealing to readers/visitors who will then tend to avoid it. Just another form of subtle Jew censorship of things that are bad for Israel. Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner Johnny! Tell him what he's won! An all expenses paid trip to club Zio - either the delightful Hotel Baghram or enticing Club Gitmo. Burma Shave. a couple things, here... first, america was built to accommodate the car, so even though mileage driven has been dropping, we're getting pretty close to minimum possible, given that cars are a necessity, at least the way things are set up now. then there's the cost of getting the crude... a new semisubmersible like the globwater horizontal or whatever might cost $500 million dollars, and the cost of operating it is horrific, seeing as how it might be drilling 200 miles offshore in 10,000 feet of water. ...this compared to the old wells that, when discovered, blew out tens of thousands of barrels a day, on dry land, with the convenience and consequent low expense that implies. then you've got the fact that we've apparently discovered all the huge fields like ghawar, cantarell, da qing, etc... compared to the big old giants, the new discoveries are dribs and drabs. then you got a production decline rate in the old fields, maybe 4-6% a year. then you got rising global competition for the remaining oil, as china industrializes to defend itself from israeli america, and india in its eternal paranoia about china, attempts to keep up by allying itself (temporarily?) with the neocons. what all this adds up to is flat global production of crude oil and condensate (the liquid stuff that comes out of the ground at the wellhead) since late 2004, despite horrendous increases in price and a doubling of drills working since 2001. so until production starts picking up, we have to assume that we've reached peak oil... at least temporarily... and judging from how hard people have been looking for oil since american production peaked in 1970, we're simply not gonna find replacements for those big old giants that have been producing so long, and it's likely that this is it, this is the peak. and that explains exxon's alliance with the AEI, which spawned PNAC, which admitted it needed a "new pearl harbor" to rally support for its project to achieve "benevolent global hegemony" by controlling energy supplies. and we all know by now, or should know, that the AEI is the american wing of the likud party of israel.
i got to say here that on the day of 9/11, after my neighbor pounded on my door, woke me up and dragged me over to his tv, i'd never heard of the American Enterprise Institute, or richard perle, or bill kristol, or steve emerson or mike ledeen or frank gaffney... but there they all were on fox and CNN, assigning blame to bin laden before the dust settled, with the little scroll under them... "american enterprise institute". we might have been able to make sense of the whole works right then, had the scroll said, "PNAC signatory" and "signed PNAC document stating PNAC's need for a new pearl harbor".
What else do arab countries have to export? Oil is it. The export market for sand, camels and those wrap around headdresses is a little depressed right now and does not look to get better anytime soon. -------------------------------------------------------- ...this compared to the old wells that, when discovered, blew out tens of thousands of barrels a day, on dry land, with the convenience and consequent low expense that implies. But it's a conspiracy! The Satanic Illuminati Bohemia Grove Inc is behind it! We're "floating" on oil. OI said so, so it must be true. (he is so smart). So to hell with offshore drilling. Just grab a shovel and start digging. There is no shortage of oil, just as there is no shortage of stupidity. -------------------------------------------------------- Who says there's a shortage of oil?
I would think that once gasoline is $5 - $10/gallon there will be much more car pooling; traffic reduced to a fraction of today's volumes, meaning it will move much more efficiently. "Hitchhikers" will cellphone locations and destination into computers of traveling cars whose computer will alert the driver of a "safe" pickup. An id-card then swiped to confirm driver identity as a safe pickup and the charge for gas which likely would be much less than the current bus fare. The small fraction of the population consisting of criminals and mentally unstable would not get any hitchhikers cards.
Would you go to the expense and trouble of offshore drilling if you didn't have to? How about shale deposits? I'm no expert by any means, but I know this is not an efficient way to get oil. THey are starting to grasp at straws. Before long, they will be fighting over those straws. Or perhaps that is what they are fighting over now. I think that is more likely. What else are we doing over there? What's the mission? Tell me, because fuck if I know. -------------------------------------------------------- Bringing them democracy and a happy fun new banking system? How about shale deposits? I'm no expert by any means, but I know this is not an efficient way to get oil. Good points. I don't really know the answers and could look for them but don't really care at this moment. Thing is I don't believe what "they" say, so if they say there's a shortage of oil I'm inclined to disbelieve them. Also, it doesn't make sense that oil is made of fossils. I seriously doubt there were that many dead creatures to make that much oil. The theory of abiotic oil seems far more likely. It provides support to the illusion that oil is scarce, and provides justification for higher prices. People assume, wrongly, that the operations are solely and only for money. The Alpha Psychotics have more money than they could ever spend rationally. What they are interested in is power and total control. The theory I am aware of is that oil is made of plant material, not animal tissue. But I understand why you don't believe "them", and I agree. That is what happens when you cry wolf. -------------------------------------------------------- I see it like a monopoly game. They want hotels on everything. And yeah, the money's worthless :)
People assume, wrongly, that the operations are solely and only for money. The Alpha Psychotics have more money than they could ever spend rationally. What they are interested in is power and total control. Illusion? LOL! Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. Everyone is in on it. And WTF is an "alpha psychotic"? You just made that term up. Trying to sound smart again, I see. You fail, again. But it would make a great band name. -------------------------------------------------------- Coal is a fossil fuel, right? I've seen coal that was shaped like tree trunks, but not something that was animal shaped. But to me it is the quantities involved. There is more plant material than animal material. -------------------------------------------------------- It is and everyone is in on it. At least everyone that agrees with them. Knowingly or not. To not suspect it at least is to be naive and gullible. Take vaccines for instance. They don't work and they're dangerous, yet every year if not a few times a year, we are fed the story, as we have been from birth, that there are dangerous diseases they must save us from. Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. It is. How many people have polio now? I knew one person that had polio, about 40 years ago. How about now? I can't think of anyone. But that doesn't mean all vaccines are 100% effective, any more than it means all vaccines are poisonous based on the cases we all hear about where people get sick and/or die. If there is a 100% safe medical procedure, I don't know what it is. -------------------------------------------------------- I knew one person that had polio, about 40 years ago. How about now? I can't think if anyone. But that doesn't mean all vaccines are 100% effective, anymore than it means all vaccines are poisonous based on the cases we all hear about where people get sick and/or die. If there is a 100% safe medical procedure, I don't know what it is. Actually public health measures such as sanitation and quarantine had much more to do with it. The virus died out not so much because of the vaccine but that the methods of transmission became better understood and the people who contracted the disease were quarantined until it was no longer transmissible. You simply betray your own ignorance, or the requirements of your talking points manual, by shooting off with incomplete and/or inaccurate assumptions. Cholera once swept England in massive epidemics, but it was stamped out in the 19th century, long before vaccines were developed, because of public sanitation measures i.e., the London sewer system. Oh, and the correlation between contaminated water supplies and cholera was not discovered by MDs it was discovered and isolated by Insurance Actuaries who were trying to determine where the high risk areas were so that they could charge appropriate premiums. "alpha psychotic". lol "alpha psychotic" "alpha psychotic" Then there's smallpox. Tetanus. And more. But I know that in your world, it's all not just one huge conspiracy, it's many huge conspiracies. Everyone is against you, in your own little world. They are all out to get you. That person you pass on the street? He's looking for a way to kill you. And that person on the other side of the street, window shopping, is really looking at you. Because he knows that You Are Onto Them and You Must Go. -------------------------------------------------------- "Conspiracy Theory" now means any explanation, or even a fact, that is out of step with the government’s explanation and that of its media pimps.. "No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine."--William Blum***** "Whenever I hear the words "conspiracy theory" it usually means someone is getting too close to the truth."----- former CIA employee, Michael Hasty. ***** "Definition---Conspiracy Theory: any conclusion in the context of any topic that 60 Minutes doesn't want mentioned, discussed, or researched."--J Orlin Grabbe ***** "The problem with the conspiracy theory label is that it is overly broad in its condemnation of speculation about political intrigue. The label provides no basis for distinguishing groundless smears from reasonable suspicions warranting investigation. History has shown all too clearly that public trust in high officials is sometimes misplaced." Lance deHaven-Smith. "Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government." American Behavioral Scientist (February 2010) During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
History has shown all too clearly that public trust in high officials is sometimes misplaced." This is all true. There are 'conspiracy theories' that have been proven true. Then there are the BS theories. Unfortunately, they all get lumped together. To the CT true believer, you either believe all of them, or none of them. To question them is to be an "agent". -------------------------------------------------------- People assume, wrongly, that the operations are solely and only for money. The Alpha Psychotics have more money than they could ever spend rationally. What they are interested in is power and total control. Illusion? LOL! Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. Everyone is in on it. And WTF is an "alpha psychotic"? You just made that term up. Trying to sound smart again, I see. You fail, again. But it would make a great band name. I am glad to see you are as amused as if you were in your right mind. Common disinformation ploy - try to ridicule a contention you cannot disprove by inflating it and turning it into a Strawman Argument. Because a lot of people believe something does not mean they are conspirators and neither does it make it true. Commonly held false truths are easy to propagate as you so ably demonstrate. Hitler had a name for as did Joseph Goebbels i.e., "the big lie". Repeat a lie often enough and people begin to believe it. As well commonly held theories fall under the weight of accumulated contradictory observations. For example And so Dead Dinosaurs was the latest and greatest theory of oil creation at the end of the 19th Century. So, one can most reasonably conclude that what we are seeing in the continued belief in a decrepit theory is as Thomas Kuhn pointed out in "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" that the old school will hold onto discredited theories unto death since they could not possibly have spent their entire life forwarding a now disproven theory. That others, with baser motives, have simply sought to further the conventional wisdom because it accrued to their benefit and the benefit of their plans is nothing new, and it does not require more than a handful to continue to propagate the lie. The late Arthur C. Clarke summarized it thusly: CLARKE'S LAW OF REVOLUTIONARY IDEAS: As for the term "Alpha Psychotic" - yes it is of my own coinage. Rather apt I think. It fits our top dog Psychotics to a "t". Oh, and I didn't "just" invent it - I've been using it for several years now. As for your usual lame attempt to attack me: My grandfather had that book. I wish I had a hard copy. The net will have to do for now.
"alpha psychotic". lol "alpha psychotic" "alpha psychotic" Then there's smallpox. Tetanus. And more. But I know that in your world, it's all not just one huge conspiracy, it's many huge conspiracies. Everyone is against you, in your own little world. They are all out to get you. That person you pass on the street? He's looking for a way to kill you. And that person on the other side of the street, window shopping, is really looking at you. Because he knows that You Are Onto Them and You Must Go. ROFLMFAO You are so delightfully transparent. If you ever have an original thought be kind to it - it's a long way from home. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation That just goes to show that you don't learn. Do you know that there is a difference between psychotics and psychopaths/sociopaths? No? Well, now you know. Please make a note of it. I don't want to have to repeat myself. So not only did you make up the term, you make up an inaccurate term. That was pretty stupid of you. Now, about those vaccines? I don't give a fuck what Clark says about anything. That is a blatant yet wordy attempt to distract. I guess you think that your ideas are "revolutionary" ideas that will be accepted as truth. Not likely. About those vaccines? What sayest thou? -------------------------------------------------------- Why should things change now? After all you have your stock talking points that you repeat, in different forms, over, and over, and over, and over again. But at least you are consistent - consistently wrong. Did you know that there is a difference between black and white? I believe I used the term Psychotic - however the behavior of the Alpha Psychotic Banksters, Psychiatrists, and many of their minions (not mentioning anyone in particular mind you) are also sociopathic in their behavior. However, Psychiatric terms are often vague and subjective labels which blend one into another. So, in the case of our Vearless Leahders both terms are descriptive of their behavior as their sociopathy flows out of their psychosis. They could also be named megalomaniacs as well, or if you prefer simpler teminology - monsters - wannabe Hannibal Lectres. As for vaccines: http://www.naturalnews.com/News_000647_Bayer_vaccines_HIV.html Once again your talking points book has betrayed you: I can see that you still don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps you should just call them "strange". I bet you know what that means. If not, let me know and I'll try and explain it to you. http://www.naturalnews.com/News_000647_Bayer_vaccines_HIV.html Blah blah blah. I already said that I don't know of any 100% safe medical procedures. Even placebos have a risk of choking on the tablets. So you take the tiny number medical hard cases and try to turn them into huge typical examples. You're not alone, others do that too, when they have an agenda they are pushing. I'd say that chances are, you're alive today because of these evil vaccines. -------------------------------------------------------- I am obviously more cynical than you, I have a problem with the word "sometimes". PSUSA2 believes what the MSM tells it and any other theory or explanation is a CT. This creature wants us to be like it and have ultimate trust in the PTB. The quotes about the "winners of wars write the history books" and "unquestioning respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth" (Albert Einstein) are unknown or make no sense to this bizarre creature of unlimited trust. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
When I page through the book I am amazed at the projects kids of that day and age built. My dad built a sailing ship with cannons and such from scratch by using the very limited guideline of this book when he was thirteen. It was written for kids of that age range, yet kids that age today would have trouble reading it I suspect. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Again, I must thank you for an exceptional belly laugh on that one :) It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Stick around for a while, kid. You'll learn. I make allowances for ignorance. The "alternative" media is just as screwed up as the MSM. Trust them if you want. But that would be foolish. Ignorance is forgivable, foolishness isn't. You seem to respect the "alternative" medias authority too much. -------------------------------------------------------- Trust me I don't (pun intended) “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” Buddha It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
No one here has ever contended that there are any 100% safe procedures. However, the question was the efficacy and safety of vaccines, and there is a growing body of evidence which strongly suggests that they have been misrepresented by people with other agendas such as greed, and reducing the population. This IS science. Either the evidence is there to support them, and to discredit the evidence against or there is not. Given that the increasing body of evidence supports my position from a factual, empirical and clinical, point of view all you can do is your usual sputter and throw hissy fits attempting to distract from the fact that you cannot support your position and that it is nothing more than cut and paste arguments, with a little gratuitous nastiness thrown in, from your talking points. You don't think you regurgitate, and it beginning to smell awfully bad. And your evidence and support for this unsupported assertion is? I didn't think so. You say lots of things without anything to back them. So, this one is different from the last 10,000 how? You can gnash your teeth and stamp your feet all you want. Please feel free. I believe in freedom - even in your right to spout the same repetitive unsupported illogic over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. However, one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. You are most welcome. We aims ta' please. Buddha One of the most sublime (whatever that means) paragraphs man has written. I guess sitting in caves and doing nothing but thinking, even mortal men can come up with some pretty deep stuff from time to time..... It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Methane and other hydrocarbons occur naturally within the earth and other planets. You can't tell me dinosaurs used to roam around on Jupiter. I guess sitting in caves and doing nothing but thinking, even mortal men can come up with some pretty deep stuff from time to time..... Siddhartha Gutahma (sp) was not that man. In his adult years he with lived and observed humanity. And an appropriate sexual dimension to his upbringing. In his youth he was behind royal walls and given an education. He, in my view of things, was the essence of a man who showed us a better way, after the usual man or women was receptive to the new message. POV. USA did not allow voting to women till 100 YO. Unmitigated bullshit. Vaccines are common. Why are we not dropping like flies in a blizzard? I'll tell you why. It is because the danger is minimal, next to the risk of contracting these diseases. That's why. There is no such evidence that you claim. None. All you have are the ravings of idiots. And believing them makes you an idiot. I bet you have had the advantage of being vaccinated. You got yours but if you got your way, everyone else would be SOL. It's evident that you want them to die of these diseases. There is no other way to put it. It is you that is the psychopath. You would deny others the protection that you enjoy. I told you I had you pegged. You're a psychopath. -------------------------------------------------------- You may be right. I'm not a geologist, or a chemist, and unlike some others, I do not play one on 4um. So, tell me, chemist/geologist/astronomer. Tell me if other planets methane and other hydrocarbons = oil. I guess you know, don't you? You claim to. So explain it to me. -------------------------------------------------------- I for one, likes the freedom of expression here.
It does get wild, sometimes. I like it too.
-------------------------------------------------------- I do to, it is especially entertaining to read the mad ravings of the shills that are attracted here. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
LOGICAL FALLACY ALERT! LOGICAL FALLACY ALERT! WARNING! WARNING! LOGICAL FALLACY ALERT! As well your two statements are not logically connected i.e., one does not imply the other nor does either support the other. The statement "Vaccines are common" proves nothing. It is an assertion of a fact which can be true or not true but in and of itself it proves nothing as regards the efficacy of vaccines. Example: "Rain is common. Why are we not all drowning?" The preceding illustrates the fallacy of the alleged argument. The second statement is fallacious as it begs the question and includes an implied premise which is false. The implied effect is, by implication, limited only to death as a consequential adverse side effect of toxic vaccines when there is in fact quite a few other observed side effects and the side effects are dependent upon the vaccine and whatever contaminants may be included in the vaccine. For example Mercury used as a preservative may not cause immediate death but the effects of Mercury poisoning are well known - brain damage being one of the primary effects - which is where the term "Mad as Hatter" comes from as felt hats were, in prior days, blocked using mercury as a wetting agent and over time Hatters acquired sufficient brain damage to make them appear quite mad to others. Kidney disease is a noted side effect of Flu Vaccines and yet is not immediately deadly, but in the long run it degrades quality of life and will shorten a person's life. Not all vaccine side effects are immediately deadly and neither have the manufacturers done any long term studies. It is just "show me the money". Vaccines are big business and the numbers of vaccines "reccomended" has increased almost exponentially. As well many vaccines are given to babies who do not yet have a developed immune system and thus the immunological reaction that the vaccine is supposed to create, based upon the immunological response, is physically impossible. One that has received a lot of attention over the last few years, because of the numbers of deaths and neurological disorders following and consequent to administration of the HPV Vaccine (Gardasil) has been very marked and noted despite attempts to cover it up. The last count I was aware of 47 girls had died following the administration of the Gardasil vaccine and an unknown number of others have suffered severe neurological problems. The upshot is that your implied premise that the only adverse outcome is death is proven to be the fallacious assumption it is. The following article provides a lot more background in support of my arguments: (NaturalNews) A lot happened in the vaccine industry in 2011 -- a year of accelerating change and increased awareness among the people. One of the big realizations that hit home in 2011 is that vaccines are far more dangerous than most people previously thought, and even conventional scientists are starting to question the over-vaccination of infants and children. Fallacies violated: Also we have: Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation Again completely divorced from logic or reason. Oh, do wipe the drool from your chin it's bad for the carpet and leaves ugly stains. Again an implied premise i.e., that getting vaccinated is an advantage. That is proven by no evidence which you have provided to support your assertion. And again you resort to Argumentum Ad Hominem. Since you cannot support your foam flecked spittle laced non-arguments, which are logically false, you resort to name calling. Does your mother really wear combat boots? Again Argumentum Ad Hominem. Since there is nothing in your argument which is logically sound and contains nothing more the drooling slack jawed invective - why did you bother. Oh, I forgot - it's a paycheck. Titan has “Hundreds of Times More” Liquid Hydrocarbons Than Earth
OK, psycho, let's start from the top. #1 - Japanese children die from vaccines Yet more evidence emerges of the deadly side effects of vaccines: http://www.naturalnews.com/031616_vaccines_Japan.html "Japan halts vaccines from Pfizer, Sanofi after deaths of four children " OK, 4 kids died. Why did they die? The article doesn't say. That article doesn't say much at all. It gives a headline to catch ones initial attention, but it says almost nothing at all to explain that headline. It's just a rambling mess. But the article says this: "What's clear from all this is that vaccines are great at one thing: Population control." Clear? Only to a madman. That website is worthless. They're just as psycho as you are. It is people like you that demand population control, by refusing people vaccines. You want to be a mass murderer, but you don't want to get your hands dirty. If you're not a kike, you sure do act like one. -------------------------------------------------------- And that is supposed to prove what, exactly? It says nothing about oil. -------------------------------------------------------- I'm surprised you're defending vaccines. People such as bill gates admit that mass vaccines will reduce population & the rulers vehemently shill for them. Autism has skyrocketed.Theyre filled with poison, on purpose.Not smart to promote vaccines.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Where? I don't promote them, I just question the honesty of all involved when it comes to pushing their individual agendas. I don't trust the CDC and I don't trust those that try to get others to panic by using bullshit tactics. Name one medical procedure that is 100% safe. I can't think of any. People can and do quickly die from the tiniest of cuts, if the wrong bacteria get into the wound. -------------------------------------------------------- the science of vaccines itself isnt necessarily bad, but what they put in them today is. It is a eugenics plot. Thats why the establishment shills for vaccines. The gates clip is on youtube. People can get them, but should be free to decline vaccines also
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
OK I found it. Or, I found one. It is an excellent example of what I am talking about when it comes to agendas. I'll start another post on it in a few minutes.
-------------------------------------------------------- gates speech is convoluted explaining his formula but his point remains, vaccine the world and the population numbers will decline, a goal which he advocates. yet vaccines save lives? yeah right. they also admittedly sterilize people using vaccines.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Oil is a hydrocarbon. Methane is a precursor to oil. Wow. With logic like that, you can't possibly go wrong. Methane is a precursor to oil? Really? If you want to play chemist, you might want to do some basic research first. THen. maybe you can fake it more convincingly. THen you might be able to convince others, if they are gullible. -------------------------------------------------------- Methane is a hydrocarbon chain with just one carbon atom (CH4). Ethane has two C atoms (C2H6), propane has 3 (C3H8) and butane has 4 (C4H10). Those are all gases which derive from simple methane. Hydrocarbon chains with 5 to 18 carbon atoms are liquid, and form substances such as naphthas (5 to 7 carbon atoms), gasoline which is blended from hydrocarbons with 7 to 11 carbon atoms, kerosene (12 to 15 carbon atoms), then lubricating oils. Hydrocarbon chains containing over 20 carbon atoms form paraffin wax, tar, and asphalt. Comets are made of hydrocarbons, including tar. Dinosaurs did not hatch comets, nor did they pee oil deep into the earth for that matter. Did you even know that crude oil is just a blend of many different hydrocarbons?
But comets have plate tectonics? Did "god" put the hydrocarbons there? H and C are the 2 most common elements in the universe. But that doesn't mean oil just happens. I'll believe it when the abiotic "theory" is proven in the labs and is no longer this silly "well, if X happens with Y and Z, along with _____________ and ______________". -------------------------------------------------------- So all you need is a blender? During fractional distillation, those different compounds are separated out. That is no big secret. But that does not mean that those separate compounds were separately blended together to make oil. -------------------------------------------------------- And oh yeah, on Titan, it actually rains hydrocarbons from the sky, and there are lakes of it.
WTF has plate tectonics have to do with hydrocarbons? Did "god" put the hydrocarbons there? Did God create space and time? Did God create H2O? Chemical building blocks permeate Creation. And they build upon themselves to form complex molecules, and eventually organisms. Let me ask you this. How do YOU think hydrocarbons are formed? Were the dinosaurs actually super smart and they built huge laboratories that turned everything including themselves into crude oil just waiting for Rockefellar and his boys to pump it out of the ground? Are you retarded? During fractional distillation, those different compounds are separated out. That is no big secret. But that does not mean that those separate compounds were separately blended together to make oil. Well no shit Sherlock. But it is still a BLEND, or a MIXTURE if you'd like. It is NOT a distinct COMPOUND which would be a unique substance in and of itself. It is simply a combination of different molecules, ie. a mixture or blend. In fact, gasoline IS a blend of different types of hydrocarbons, it isn't one specific hydrocarbon. Because someone posted an article that uses plate tectonics to explain his ideas freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re....cgi?ArtNum=142906&Disp=0 and freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...ArtNum=142868&Disp=48#C48 Let me ask you this. How do YOU think hydrocarbons are formed? I will do the unthinkable on 4um and say I DON'T KNOW. And I refuse to act like I do by posting total crap and saying "I was right! See? I told you so!" I am not a chemist. I am not a geologist. I am not an astronomer. -------------------------------------------------------- Semi-Industrial Production of Aromatic HYdrocarbons from Natural Gas in Persia Why do you think methane is always found in hydrocarbon deposits? It's just like uranium, where in the case of uranium you'll find various isotopes of uranium along with its decay products. With petroleum, you'll find a wide range of hydrocarbons because it is an ongoing process, starting with simple methane and ending with tar and other solid hydrocarbons. Then perhaps you should stop swallowing the Kool-Aid and do a bit of research. And bring along an open mind and some common sense. But we seem to have great number of people here that are. lol -------------------------------------------------------- I"m not drinking your koolaid either. THat's common sense. Again, they need to prove it in the lab. And it must be able to be duplicated. -------------------------------------------------------- Methane- derived hydrocarbons produced under upper-mantle conditions
Already posted two examples. Production of higher molecular weight hydrocarbons from methane
CONVERSION OF METHANE TO GASOLINE-RANGE HYDROCARBONS
What it comes down to is that methane CAN be created from organic matter, such as decaying vegetation and animal carcasses. HOWEVER, methane can ALSO be formed due to natural processes found on other worlds, so that would mean that it can ALSO happen on this one. Various natural processes can and do convert simple methane, the building block of all other hydrocarbons, into higher forms. Hydrocarbon Rain Swells Titan's Lakes
I see some possible problems here. First of all, I can only get the general idea. I bet you can't do much better. And general ideas are not good ideas. They can be wrong and I/we would not know it. 2nd, page 1 paragraph 1, is says gasoline boiling temps, not gasoline. 3rd and most importantly, are these provable natural processes or are they strictly lab processes? I only read the first page. If I don't understand it, there's not much point in reading it all. About the only way to get to the truth is to ask a scientist (one without an agenda one way or the other). And I don't know any chemists or geologists or astronomers. -------------------------------------------------------- From the link; In the process described, the final hydrocarbon mixture is largely in the gasoline (C4-C10) boiling range . In other words, they produced hydrocarbons which boiled in the temperature range gasoline would boil at. Hence, they produced gasoline or gasoline like hydrocarbons. BTW, boiling is how they extract the various products from crude oil... What is it about the fact that various types of hydrocarbons are in abundance on other worlds that doesn't register with you? Are you saying that there had to have been dinosaurs there? If that was the case, why not say "we produced gasoline"? And I reiterate, again(!), that nothing has been written on whether this is a natural process or a lab process. You can turn gold into lead, in the lab. -------------------------------------------------------- It registers just fine. But hydrocarbons do not equal oil. -------------------------------------------------------- If that was the case, why not say "we produced gasoline"? Because it is a scientific paper, not a magazine article. They were being precise. And I reiterate, again(!), that nothing has been written on whether this is a natural process or a lab process. I've already posted an article for you where "upper mantle conditions" ie. conditions such as those which exist below the earth's crust were used to form heavier hydrocarbons such as ethane, propane and butane, from methane. It was back in post 107. See Mantle (geology) for a further explanation of the earth's mantle layers. You can turn gold into lead, in the lab. You can even turn lead into gold using a reactor. Or so I've read. Oil is nothing more than a soup of various types of hydrocarbons. Oil IS hydrocarbons. Anton Kolesnikov1,2, Vladimir G. Kutcherov2,3 & Alexander F. Goncharov1 Top of page There is widespread evidence that petroleum originates from biological processes1, 2, 3. Whether hydrocarbons can also be produced from abiogenic precursor molecules under the high-pressure, high-temperature conditions characteristic of the upper mantle remains an open question. It has been proposed that hydrocarbons generated in the upper mantle could be transported through deep faults to shallower regions in the Earth's crust, and contribute to petroleum reserves4, 5. Here we use in situ Raman spectroscopy in laser-heated diamond anvil cells to monitor the chemical reactivity of methane and ethane under upper-mantle conditions. We show that when methane is exposed to pressures higher than 2 GPa, and to temperatures in the range of 1,000–1,500 K, it partially reacts to form saturated hydrocarbons containing 2–4 carbons (ethane, propane and butane) and molecular hydrogen and graphite. Conversely, exposure of ethane to similar conditions results in the production of methane, suggesting that the synthesis of saturated hydrocarbons is reversible. Our results support the suggestion that hydrocarbons heavier than methane can be produced by abiogenic processes in the upper mantle. I'm not trying to be stubborn just for the sake of being stubborn. But there is nothing in that article that supports abiotic oil. In fact, it explicitly supports the opposite, and calls abiotic oil a "open question", as well as uses words "proposed", and "could be". It also possibly explains how there is methane in planets and comets etc, where there was no life. Don't get me wrong. I hope abiotic oil is true. But hope doesn't get the job done. -------------------------------------------------------- Oh, that's not covered in his "Talking Points Manual" so he's not allowed to admit to their existence despite multiple probes confirming it. If the Peak Oil disinfo artists admitted that hydrocarbons exist in abundance in the outer Solar System then they have to explain how the Great Dinosaur Migration to Titan took place. Those pesky dinosaurs are everywhere! They're as bad as cockroaches or internet shills. I'd have to look it up, but I don't think it's reversible. Or maybe it wasn't reversible when I was taught this. Things have changed since then. -------------------------------------------------------- I just released a huge cloud of methane, in your general direction. Sup, psycho? -------------------------------------------------------- Did you miss this part? Our results support the suggestion that hydrocarbons heavier than methane can be produced by abiogenic processes in the upper mantle. From UNIVERSITY OF BRISTOL SCHOOL OF CHEMISTRY Yep, and they'd have to explain how dinosaur poop was ejected so forcefully they created comets which turned into orbiting tarballs... Our results support the suggestion that hydrocarbons heavier than methane can be produced by abiogenic processes in the upper mantle. Well, uh, gee, uh, no. He just ignored it as one of them that "Inconvenient Truths". Algore would appreciate the tactic in a global sense. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. Yep, and they'd have to explain how dinosaur poop was ejected so forcefully they created comets which turned into orbiting tarballs... Them thar deenosors is amazin' critters. They're everywhere - and they have spaceships too. Our results support the suggestion that hydrocarbons heavier than methane can be produced by abiogenic processes in the upper mantle. I didn't miss it. It doesn't say crude oil. And again it is a possible explanation of how planets and comets have methane. And in planets specifically it might explain how they can have hydrocarbons heavier than methane, due to the heat/pressures involved in planets. Abiotic oil needs to be proven. If it's proven, the beer is on me. But don't work up a thirst just yet. And perhaps we can set up some wildcat rigs and be gazillionaires, with lots of hot women and endless cold beer and grilled steaks. -------------------------------------------------------- Note the common shill tactic above - limited hang out. Confronted with information and verifiable documented evidence that his position is false he will not admit it as that is contrary to the talking points and the PsyOp Spin. Never mind that to a chemist Hydrocarbons and Crude Oil are interchangeable and the chemist will prefer "hydrocarbon" as being technically and scientifically more accurate. Sure they are. Have you hugged a virologist today? You should. They have probably saved your worthless hide. -------------------------------------------------------- It doesn't say crude oil. It says they produced hydrocarbons that are heavier than methane, and that's a step in the direction of liquid hydrocarbons. They didn't subject the methane to hundreds of years worth of pressure and heat. Perhaps if and when that is done, it'll prove one way or another what happens under those conditions. And again it is a possible explanation of how planets and comets have methane. No, it explains how heavier hydrocarbons are formed. Methane is in abundance throughout Creation. Have you hugged your sphincter today? I don't buy that. If they can make industrial diamonds by using explosives, they can figure out how to make crude oil out of methane by duplicating natural processes. Methane is in abundance throughout Creation. It might answer how it got there. Or it might be one explanation among others. -------------------------------------------------------- Actually, crude oil is a blend of hydrocarbons with molecules having from 5 to over 20 carbon atoms. But, it is almost always, if not always found in combination with the lighter hydrocarbons such as methane, ethane, propane, and butane. That indicates to me that an ongoing process is going on which causes the lighter chains to combine into the heavier ones. Who says that it HASN'T already been done? I'm sure that any such inventor would either be very rich (paid off for his idea), or very dead. That indicates to me that an ongoing process is going on which causes the lighter chains to combine into the heavier ones. For any system to approach greater complexity requires an energy input. With the earth we can see that the temperature and pressure deeper down provides a source. I would suspect that the outer moons where hydrocarbons have been detected that we would see similar processes. After all what a lot of people don't get is that many of those outer moons are significantly larger than our own. Ganymede is about the size of Mars which is accorded planetary status. The real problem is thought processes. Too many people react and accept things on authority rather than looking at the data and deciding for themselves. Now we get into the conspiracy angle. Occams razor still applies. Then there is another law saying that the larger the conspiracy is, the more likely it is to break down. I don't know what the laws name is, so I'll just call it PSUSA's Law. You can't prove any such conspiracy any more than you can prove abiotic oil. All this conspiracy is, is an idea, nothing more. Perhaps it has been done, in the open, and we don't know about it yet. Or perhaps it's been tried many times, and failed. Who knows? -------------------------------------------------------- They've got plenty of that over there. ROTFLOL! "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Yep, and the simplest explanation is that heavier hydrocarbons are formed under intense heat and pressure from methane. In fact, the biological theory tells basically the same story, except that they toss in dinosaurs and ancient marine life to embelish their story a bit. What it comes down to is that organic matter decomposes into methane. Methane is then converted to heavier hydrocarbons. Thing is, methane doesn't HAVE to come from organic matter, it comes from within the bowels of the earth itself, as well as from within the bowels of other planets and moons where there were no dinosaurs nor ancient marine life. It's been well ingrained into the minds of people since the turn of the last century that oil comes from ancient organic matter, hence the term "fossil fuel". However, that was before they found hydrocarbon lakes and clouds on places like Titan, or that comets were basically solar orbiting tar balls. And it behooves the powers that be to keep people in the dark, since their hundred billion dollar per year profit might evaporate like liquid methane at normal room temperature. As well is the element of creating the picture of scarcity in order to justify controlling energy supplies which would otherwise make people more independent of central authority and thus people control. The real problem that they've run into trying to sell "Peak Oil" is all of the recent discoveries of vast amounts of oil and gas. It makes it hard to "Cry Wolf!" He who controls the world's energy, controls the world.
Exactly, and that, not mere money, is the real reason that the Rothschilds and their ilk want to control the energy supply. If energy were to become cheap and abundant then their control link is broken and then all the "little people" could lead happy, productive, and prosperous lives free from their psychotic control. "...in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying." —Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X Those pesky dinosaurs are everywhere! They're as bad as cockroaches or internet shills. Thanks again....lmao on that one. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
You are most welcome. There is nothing quite so pleasing as the aroma of roast shill. ;-)
Cheers! It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
I have never met a oil geologist that thought oil came from dinos. It made a cute oil company logo, tho. The martian dinosaur :) It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Well actually what they say is, "plant and animal matter", or "ancient marine life". Same argument holds though, did ancient marine, vegetable, or animal life form the hydrocarbon lakes on Titan, or the comets which orbit the sun?
I am totally unable to answer this. Lod should be able to. Unless there is some form of bizarre life form which can exist at roughly -290 degrees Fahrenheit, there is no way there were ancient animals and vegetation on Titan. As far as comets, we are left with the dinosaur ejected poop ball which travelled so violently it was able to reach escape velocity and break earth orbit, hurling itself into a solar orbit out past Pluto. It's probably so much worse than we suspect that maybe we should hope a supernatural clan of benevolent aliens could at least rescue the women and children.
NASA - Titan's Surface Organics Surpass Oil Reserves on Earth You have to admit. He WAS a friggin' genius.
I like this part: "...It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation...." I just thought of something. What if part of the process of creating methane and converting it to heavier hydrocarbons, is that underneath the earth's crust, there are microorganisms of some type which release methane which subsequently form ethane, butane, and propane, and others who eat those lighter hydrocarbons and excrete (or decay into) heavier hydrocarbons? What if oil is just excrement from gazillions of living little critters underground? They would thrive on heat, rather than sunlight, and basically poop oil. Maybe that's what's going on in places like Titan, deep underground. I was about ready to hit post, then decided to look up info on microorganisms in the earth's mantle. Guess what I found... From Methane-eating bacteria alive and well in the deepest layer of Earth’s crust Here's a link to the story mentioned above about the exploration into the gabbroic layer (which sits right above the mantle), this one written by New Scientist magazine...
Please tell me you are not that stupid. Personally I don't think you are. But now I am not so sure anymore. What does the article say? Did it say anything about the bacteria "pooping" oil? No, it didnt. You're grasping at straws, looking for anything that can back you up on this, whether it's other posters, or it's articles that you see things in that aren't even there. -------------------------------------------------------- Well actually what they say is, "plant and animal matter", or "ancient marine life". The bulk of petroleum likely does not come from animal matter, but there is a lot of animal matter mixed in with it. Biostratigraphers use micropaleontology to determine the age of petroleum deposits. Both animal and plant fossils are used to date petroleum bearing deposits. That kind of dating is correlated with radiometric analysis to find the age of beds at different depths. I know a guy that does this stuff. Oil companies send him rocks and liquids and he studies the samples with a binocular microscope. There's a spectacular array of critters in those samples.
I'm sure in one of your past lives, you persecuted folks such as Galieo and Newton, since they didn't repeat what was already in books.
What does the article say? Did it say anything about the bacteria "pooping" oil? No, it didnt. It's already being done in laboratories. Who's to say what we'd discover if we could bore down to the mantle and examine the sort of natural flora which exists there. It's obvious that there already ARE natural microorganisms which DO eat hydrocarbons, it's not mentioned in the earlier article what they excrete. Even if THOSE particular bacteria do not excrete heavier hydrocarbons (or decay into them), there COULD be those which do, but live at deeper depths into the earth's mantle than what we've yet explored... And one day, pigs COULD fly. One day, we COULD have an honest president. Why do you go off of what "could" be, instead of what is? This whole fiasco was invented by the Russians during the cold war. How much time is needed to prove this? This "theory" (but if you look up the definition of theory then it isn't a theory) could just as easily come about due to political pressure as anything else. After all, they deluded themselves into believing there was no food shortages when people were dying by the truckload due to starvation. You have your supporters here. I am about the only, if not the only, detractor here, But that doesn't mean anything when it comes to who is right and who is wrong. OI is a fucktard that if believed, we'd be dead several times over already, either due to radiation or corexit, or any other number of things he tried to start a panic over, because he is a fucking idiot, no more and no less. And the rest of them aren't any better. comets which turned into orbiting tarballs... Tarballs? Come on man. THINK! Or let others do your thinking for you. If you want ass kissers and back slappers, then that is what you will get. -------------------------------------------------------- Question would be, are those recently deceased critters, live critters, or very anciently deceased critters... Do you deny the fact that there ARE artificially created microbes which DO excrete hydrocarbons such as gasoline? Do you deny the fact that comets DO have hydrocarbon signatures? Do you deny the possibility that NATURAL microbes may very well excrete complex hydrocarbons deep within the earth's mantle? What sort of scientific evidence are you aware of that proves simple heat and pressure turns biomass into crude oil? Has it ever been duplicated in a laboratory? By what process were the hydrocarbon lakes created on Titan?
Maybe that's what's going on in places like Titan, deep underground. According to Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson there are a huge number of organisms in a cubic foot of soil that we have no idea what they are or what they are doing or why they are doing it. ping You can't prove a negative. You can only prove a positive. But PROOF is lacking in abiotic oil. All you have are "what if's" and "coulds" and "maybes" and huge "conspiracies". What sort of scientific evidence are you aware of that proves simple heat and pressure turns biomass into crude oil? Has it ever been duplicated in a laboratory? I don't know. Has it? I already told you I am not a scientist, and that I refuse to play one on 4um. But there are many such pretenders here. They will tell you what's what, and if you don't believe them, then you are an "agent" telling the "big lie". They just love to pretend, and gather as many ass kissers as they possibly can, that fawn over their every phony word. Your 1st 2 questions are irrelevant. One deals with artificial creations and the other comets. Why would it surprise anyone that a comet would have combinations of the 2 most common elements in the universe? What does that prove? -------------------------------------------------------- Why would it surprise anyone that a comet would have combinations of the 2 most common elements in the universe? What does that prove? It proves that hydrocarbons can form without dead plant or animal matter. Since you seem eager to ridicule any theory which suggests how crude oil is formed, what is YOUR theory on how it is formed? Do you even HAVE a theory, or do you just think satan made it down there in hell or something?
In other words, you can NOT deny the possibility that NATURAL organisms produce hydrocarbons, especially since microbes already DO produce them in laboratories. You blasted me as if it were utterly and totally impossible and improbable. It is neither. We're talking micropaleontology here, and these are microfossils. You can be sure that they're good and dead.
And that's just within top soil. Can you imagine what sort of critters there are below the earth's crust? You can be sure that they're good and dead. Have they been dated, and how certain are they of their age? Hell, that depends. I ain't no expert, but when you are using radiometric methods like potassium-argon dating you're talking hundreds of thousands to millions of years, depending on where on the dang earth the samples come from, which can be anywhere petroleum is prospected for.
You blasted me as if it were utterly and totally impossible and improbable. It is neither. I haven't blaster anyone, except for OI and his ass kissers. And I never said it was impossible. All I said is that it is not even close to being proven. Even the articles posted have said as much. I also said that I hope you are right. And then I said that hope is not the same as proof. -------------------------------------------------------- Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "theory". Then ask yourself if abiotic oil fits the definition or not. Do you even HAVE a theory, or do you just think satan made it down there in hell or something? I don't have to have a personal theory. Why reinvent the wheel? If people that are smarter than I am, and with more equipment and money, say it was based on fossil life forms, then that is what it is. Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories", no matter how off the wall they are. If it goes against their perceived "conspirators", then they'll believe it, proof be damned. -------------------------------------------------------- Did I ever say that it couldn't? No. In fact I said that it does explain how planets get hydrocarbons, but that is a far cry from having crude oil. -------------------------------------------------------- Coolness. Life is fecund and pervasive. We have found life in deep sea volcanic vents to ice in the frozen wastelands of Antarctica. As well, despite the attempts to suppress the evidence and spin it away, Mars as well. So, given that history, it does not surprise me much, if at all, to find life deep within the inhospitable bowels of the earth. Po' beebe get his feewings hurt? I wish I could be more sure of this but I believe I read in Scientific American a long time age that geologists found Very Slow growing bacteria, alive, deep within granite. I suppose even bullshit has its uses. But you sure do produce a lot of it. -------------------------------------------------------- When you get a minute, draw up a list of the accepted theories that fall within The One True Faith? Thanks.
Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "theory". Then ask yourself if abiotic oil fits the definition or not. Do you even HAVE a theory, or do you just think satan made it down there in hell or something? I don't have to have a personal theory. Why reinvent the wheel? If people that are smarter than I am, and with more equipment and money, say it was based on fossil life forms, then that is what it is. Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories", no matter how off the wall they are. If it goes against their perceived "conspirators", then they'll believe it, proof be damned. The question evident from your post is that you have no clear understanding of what a theory is. For the record, if one is following the Scientific Method a theory is nothing more than a hypothesis, a provisional explanation, which seems to account for all of the observed data and phenomena. A theory is only as good as the observations which support it and becomes instantly invalid upon the observation of even one contrary datum since it no longer accounts for all of the observed data. In that event then the theory must be reformulated to account for the new datum or completely discarded and a new one formulated which accounts for all of the data. Not surprisingly I see you fall back on your usual gratuitous nastiness and logical fallacies as you assert your own "worthy" opinion. Many of the accepted theories of today were yesterdays heresies. For example: Tube based electronics was once state of the art. The first man to invent radio was laughed at. Nikola Tesla was called a kook - the man who developed the theory and practice of Alternating Current, AC Motors, and electric power transmission. I could go through a considerable list of former theories that were once accepted as the last, final, and ultimate word, e.g., Uniformitarian Geology as propounded by Hutton won out over Cuvier's theories of Catastrophism. Cuvier was laughed at and ridiculed by the Scientific Mainstream and yet today he is being proven correct. Massive earth changes can and do happen in the geologic blink of an eye, and we now know some of the causes e.g., asteroid impacts, pole shifts, etc., ... Even that the continents do move and realign, as theorized by Alfred Wegner, was laughed at, derided, and ridiculed by the "authorities". Embarassingly Wegner was proven correct with the discovery of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge during the International Geophysical Year and is now called "Plate Tectonics" - something which you tried to use to earlier justify your slavish devotion to the official theories. The sheer level of ignorance in your post, pontificated upon as though it were holy writ, boggles the mind. However, you need not worry about it as it would seem that anything quite so mind boggling and requiring any imagination beyond what kind of beer the local gas stations carries is beyond your feeble ken. Reliance upon such Ad Hominem terms as "conspiracy theory" is another demonstration of your inability to go where the facts would seem to point. The facts are what they are and the evidence of large scale machinations is present if one wishes to expose their head to fresh air and actually look at what the data infers. A conspiracy at its most basic is nothing more that two or more people working together in secret to do something which is often illegal and outright criminal. Conspiracies, and even large ones, are as old as human history. Just ask Julius Ceasar, or the Medicis, Lucretia Borgia, or any of a number of other historical figures of power and influence who have operated behind the scenes to further their own ends. The American Revolution began as a "conspiracy" against the Crown of England. So, please feel free to bleatingly follow that which you have been told that you will believe, and repeat the mantras you been programmed with. As for the rest of us who prefer to think for ourselves we are not only independent in our thought but rather cantankerously obstinate about our right, and even duty, to think for ourselves. You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming. Have a nice day. :-) Ping to my above.
I think you missed some people. Perhaps you think they will back you up? I mean, they haven;t been on this thread, they have shown absolutely no interest in it, but they might read all 180+ posts, just for you. So, rally those troops! Now you can post all sorts of off topic things, like Tesla, vacuum tubes, etc. But none of it has anything to do with abiotic oil. I know, you needed a distraction. Distracting means no evidence for the topic at hand is needed, right? You just say "OH, LOOK OVER HERE!!!! Dont look at that, but LOOK AT THIS!" You're so transparent. You need to try harder. -------------------------------------------------------- Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "theory". Then ask yourself if abiotic oil fits the definition or not. You're welcome -------------------------------------------------------- Poooh beebe. Of course I invited a crowd - I like sharing the fun. Unlike you I am a social, and sociable, person who enjoys sharing a good laugh. I can understand though why you may not share in the mirth. I guess that's a burden I'll have to bear. I see that you did ping some of the OI Ass Kissing Brigade, along with some others, so perhaps they will chime in and post a "PSUSA is a dumbass heheehehehe". That's OK, I'll never see it. They're even more idiotic than you are.
-------------------------------------------------------- When you get a minute, draw up a list of the accepted theories that fall within The One True Faith? Thanks. lol good one Is that another one if your silly pics? If so, AdBlock+ is a great addon. I recommend it for everyone. It's so handy. -------------------------------------------------------- "For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of England “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI President Franklin Roosevelt Nov. 21, 1933 "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson." "Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" ~ Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) from "The Sign of Four" It is as though there have been others that came before us who suspected conspiracies as well... So the Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc., are all delusions of paranoids, eh? Is abiotic oil even a theory? This is what it's about, right? Abiotic oil? Not the 'Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc.' -------------------------------------------------------- I recommend it for everyone. It's so handy. I see, that as usual, you don't get the picture. Thankfully the sentient in the audience do. You said all theories are just workings of lunatics for the most part. PSUSA2: Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories" Yes, it's a theory, just as biogenic oil and peak oil are just theories. "For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of England “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI President Franklin Roosevelt Nov. 21, 1933 "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson." "Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" ~ Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) from "The Sign of Four" It is as though there have been others that came before us who suspected conspiracies as well... Oh, one or two. The problem of course, as you are well aware, is that the term "conspiracy theory", with all of its negative connotations of irrationality, is a term that was invented and pushed as a way to silence inconvenient voices who were pointing at "the man behind the curtain". It is trotted out now everytime someone wants to shut down a line of debate, or questioning, which might point at some reality that the elites do not want us poor serfs to notice. This is, after it is stripped down to its basics, nothing more than a cloaked form of Argumentum Ad Hominem used simply to silence people and keep them from looking and thinking for themselves. For the small minded who will not think for themselves it works. After all if something is contrary to the "the official theory" it can't possibly be true. Right? Just ask JFK since the term seems to have first been invented to shut up all of those "crazy people" questioning the official story of his assassination. Methane exists on Titan and in the atmospheres of the outer planets. It's already a known fact that hydrocarbons can be created in an abiotic environment.
It's not so easy being the Debil's advocate, eh?
i got to admit it's pretty comical watching you guys defend the CFR's position on peak oil.
Good one. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I never said that there wasn't. In fact, I said that there was. So what? THat doesn't mean that there is crude oil there. Please show where I said differently. Thank you. Please show that this "theory" is proven. Thank you. Please show where oil has been discovered on these planets. Thank you. Please show where one well has been dug and is producing oil in accordance with this "theory". Thank you. Please show how this even qualifies as a theory. THank you. The "thank you's" are fucking irritating, arent they? Perhaps I should just have said fuck you. -------------------------------------------------------- I think it's comical how many idiots are even here in the first place. They don't even know what a theory is. But they're scientists. Yep. They are real scientists. At least they play scientists on 4um. But don't ask them what a theory is. Do that and they're stumped. They can look it up on wiki, but comprehending the definition is another matter entirely. Especially when that definition is not to their liking. Damn! People are funny! If these "truth seekers" are the best we have, we are in huge trouble. I'm just glad that there are real smart people here. -------------------------------------------------------- Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation Please show that this "theory" is proven. Thank you. Please show where oil has been discovered on these planets. Thank you. Please show where one well has been dug and is producing oil in accordance with this "theory". Thank you. Please show how this even qualifies as a theory. THank you. The "thank you's" are fucking irritating, arent they? Perhaps I should just have said fuck you. -------------------------------------------------------- See OI? You dont need to be a scientist to copy/paste.
-------------------------------------------------------- I think it's comical how many idiots are even here in the first place. They don't even know what a theory is. But they're scientists. Yep. They are real scientists. At least they play scientists on 4um. But don't ask them what a theory is. Do that and they're stumped. They can look it up on wiki, but comprehending the definition is another matter entirely. Especially when that definition is not to their liking. Damn! People are funny! If these "truth seekers" are the best we have, we are in huge trouble. I'm just glad that there are real smart people here. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues. 4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength. 5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do. 6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up. A great labor saving device that. For example your cute widdle caw-ment. No point in re-inventing the wheel. Oh, I forgot you don't like big words. A wheel is a circle thing that rolls round and round. I'll say this. You are one persistent leg humper. You also add to the forum. You're a great teaching aid, to my fellow NSA CIA FBI students. Keep up the good work. Now we know that you have to get up pretty early in the morning to get anything past you. -------------------------------------------------------- I never said that you never said that there wasn't.
Good one. Thanks. Did you think that up all by's your liddle self? Let me make a note of that. You are just soooooooooooooo witty in a mind numbed way. Assuming of course that someone considers vomitus witty. why would the CFR want to confuse the peak oil issue? maybe because they figured out, within 30 seconds of that second plane hitting the towers, that this was the "new jpearl harbor" that their buddies in PNAC wanted? maybe it took them another 30 seconds to realize that PNAC staged 9/11. maybe it took them another 30 seconds figure out peak oil, and peak oil's role as motive for the 9/11... maybe it took them another nano-second and a half to figure out peak oil must be denied at all costs, lest people start connecting the dots.
Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation in the ten years since 9/11, we havent bothered anyone but countries with oil, or countries that are on strategic pipeline routes.
judging from the response to my posts at the CFR and energybulletin, it looks like people are catching on, despite the best efforts of the peak oil denial apparatus... the perps of 9/11 must have realized that people would connect the dots eventually... ...but the impending police tate will fix that problem, wont it? ...which is why the police state was waiting in the wings prior to 9/11.
People that try and "connect the dots" end up drawing some very strange pictures. I'd say that they did it only for maintaining stability. Panicky people are stupid people, even more stupid than usual. Tell them that we're running out of oil and you will have panic. On 9/11 I stopped in a small town in OK to fuel up, because no way would I make it to my next fuel stop. In that small town, Hooker OK with a population of 1900, cars were backed up about a mile, waiting. Inside, it was fucking chaos. If people are that screwed up in the head on that day, what are they going to do when it's the real deal? -------------------------------------------------------- after watching my neighbor's tv for a while, i got on my bike to do "man-in-the- street" interviews downtown. i decided to practice on a kid, maybe eight or ten years old, pushing his bike along the sidewalk... my first interview... i asked him, "what happened?" he says, "it's a jew thing." ...and hopped on his bike and rode off before i could ask him anything else. so you have to wonder how many people know what's going on, have known from the beginning, and are laying low. it wasnt that hard to figure out, seeing as how israel was getting the shit kicked out of it by the durban human rights conference. many of the potential political aftereffects of the conference were annulled by the September 11, 2001 attacks. The attacks took place just three days after the conference ended, entirely eclipsing it in the news, and significantly affecting international relations and politics.
Smart kid! I had a lot of time to think about this, regarding who knows and who "doesn't give a damn lets kill us some ayrabs!". Driving 11 hours a day with crap on the radio does give one time for reflection. I came to the conclusion that I/we don't know. You can ask but there is no guarantee that they will tell you what they really think. I've been at the same table with both types. I'll talk to one and say something about "9/11 bullshit" to get things started. One agreed, 2 look at me like I'm one of Ickes reptilians. On one hand we have the MSM bread and circuses, which gives the illusion that people are sheep, but on the other hand a lot of people know that the MSM is not telling us the truth. Watching the MSM can make one hopeless. But that is the illusion that they perpetrate, intentionally. And who controls the MSM? Who has the most to lose once the illusion is broken? The jews. -------------------------------------------------------- bottom line... israel is dependent on american protection, america is dependent on cheap oil, and oil production is peaking... so 9/11 was done to provide the excuse to grab oil.
Sure, it IS about oil and natural gas, but not for the reasons you claim. It is about TOTAL CONTROL of the world's energy. Current wells ARE still viable and more than likely being replensished via underground networks of oil, yet, countries such as Saudi Arabia have ramped down their production DELIBERATELY in order to drive up prices. So the fact remains, the global elite wish to control EVERY drop of oil on this planet, as he who controls the world's energy, controls the world itself. so there's no use worrying about a "new world order" or "one world government" because it's already in place... ...and they have so much control that impoverished nations in asia, africa and south america have to knuckle under... these poor countries cant produce their abiotic oil because this phantom government forbids it. good deal
Sure, it IS about oil and natural gas, but not for the reasons you claim. It is about TOTAL CONTROL of the world's energy. Current wells ARE still viable and more than likely being replensished via underground networks of oil, yet, countries such as Saudi Arabia have ramped down their production DELIBERATELY in order to drive up prices. So the fact remains, the global elite wish to control EVERY drop of oil on this planet, as he who controls the world's energy, controls the world itself. They already control the money supply and banking system. That was step 1. Then energy. The major media. Medicine. And via GMOs they are trying to corner and control the food supply. Gosh those are all control points. Interesting pattern that makes. But of course it is all pure coincidence that all of those sectors are controlled by the same small cabal via interlocking directorates. Why if you noticed those facts you'd be one a' them konspurcy theerists. As well I would note that not oil but level of education and modernization, with the exception of Pipelinestan, AND NOT HAVING A ROTHSCHILD CONTROLLED CENTRAL BANK are the real common threads between Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran. for example... north korea is awash in abiotic oil, but they cant produce that oil because the rothschilds forbid it.
south korea and japan are awash in abiotic oil, but they cant produce it because the rothschilds forbid it.
china is aswash in abiotic oil, which is why they're making oil deals all over the world... the fact that so much of our "war on terror" seems to be focussed on depriving china of acces to oil is simply more evidence that china is awash in abiotic oil.
Jawohl Herr Goebbels. Der Fuhrer vout be prout uff you. America is dependent upon Petroleum because every competing means has been shut down, bought up, or its inventor murdered. This is not about oil per se but about CONTROL. Israel is almost a Red Herring as Israel is a Rothschild fiefdom. The real force behind all of these actions lie in the Banking District of The City of London and the House of Rotchild. Oh, and oil production is NOT peaking. That is a disinformation line to divert attention from the fact that oil production is kept intentionally low in order to keep prices up and maintain control. You can repeat your disinformation lines all you want but bullshit is bullshit and it all smells the same. india, too, is awash in abiotic oil, but they're sort of playing along with the neocons... "sort of playing along with the neocons" because they're beings assholes by buying oil from iran when they have so much abiotic oil of their own.
Agreed. But what are you going to do about it? Because, I dont know what to do about it. Some people can live off grid now, but they are the exception. The majority won't put up with having to do that, until it's too late. People are waking up, but is it enough, or is it too little too late. Hell if I know. What are the PTB going to do when the wells dry up and it's too expensive, or outright impossible, to get more oil? The "elites" are just as shortsighted as the sheep are. I'm glad for that. But personally I think the elites will lose control long before that happens. THey're vicious but not too bright. The only question is, how many sheep will die in the process. And, how many of us will die. I think that the grids will be local, and not national. I dont know what the city folk will do. -------------------------------------------------------- brazil, being such a big country, has got to have trillions of barrels of abiotic oil, but they are drilling offhore, in thousands of feet of water and thousands more feet of salt rather than drill their abiotic oil... as per orders from the rothschild masters.
canada is one of the biggest countries in the world, they must have trillions of barrels of abiotic oil, too, but instead of producing that abiotic oil, they're making a trashheap of northern alberta to get oil from tar sands.
From what I understand, vast untapped sources of oil are beneath the crust, which are still beyond our current technology to access. Perhaps in the future a safe and effective means of drilling down into the upper mantle will be possible, but the technology isn't there yet. Russia has had some success locating geological areas where there are fissures in the crust allowing oil to pool from deep underground, and have recovered significant amounts from those expeditions. But to reach the source of the oil, one would have to penetrate much deeper into the earth than has ever been achieved. And BTW, just because oil might be abiotic in nature doesn't mean it's readily accessible from the crust. Where the crust is thin is where you'll find oil, such as in the Gulf of Mexico.
anyhow, i'm glad to see so many of you are so fervently defending the CFR's position on peak oil. it's just too bad that the CFR happens to be one othe institutions that is planning the new world order, and they are doing this by explaining how their "nuclear primacy" will work... first, we install defensive missiles at sites surrounding russia and china, then we do massive nuke first strikes on russia and china, and if any russian or chinese retaliatory missiles survive, they will likely be so few in number that our defensive misslile can pick off the survivors. another good deal.
Yes, and it became painfully obvious with the NATO attacks against Libya. I don't really care what the CFR "position" is on "peak oil", what I see is that "peak oil" is a lot of horse shit. Did you miss the article where Saudi Arabia is going to be ramping up production to offset the deficit in oil due to sanctions against Iran? Genetic research suggests that all humans came from a small (6000) population that had been nearly wiped out of genetic existence by various calamities, a random guess here something like 50,000 yo. saudi arabia is almost as famous for its oil production as it is for predictions that dont materialize.
there's no arguing with faith, those of you who have faith in unlimited oil have given us a demonstration. so i guess i'll sign off.
Yes, that really makes sense. suuuuure it does.
got it.
But to reach the source of the oil, one would have to penetrate much deeper into the earth than has ever been achieved. One article I read on the BP oilpocalypse suggested that they might have tapped into one of the deeper layers with the Macondo rig - and that one of the reasons it blew out was that the pressure at that depth was simply too much for their equipment. I know the Russians have drilled as deep as about 40,000 feet on dry land before they struck oil, but they did eventually strike oil. We don't know enough yet on the true oil formation process to reliably predict where it will be accessible. However, the Russians appear to be further along than anyone else. I think I remember reading where there was more than one such genetic "bottleneck". But it can't happen today, right? We have technology. We're just more special than they were back then. I can't decide whether to be an optimist or a pessimist. One thing that's interesting about that OK town. MOst people think that rural people have their acts together, they're the salt of the earth, no BS kinds of people. I didn't see that. I saw wild eyed nutcases. I dont know if others saw similar things or not. -------------------------------------------------------- That's what I remember, enormous pressure - 40,000 PSI? Yea it's tough. An optimistic pessimist is my thought. That's what I remember, enormous pressure - 40,000 PSI? That rings a bell, but I haven't looked at it for a while. The other interesting thing about the oil coming out was that it was more of a brown which I am told indicates "young", as in recently created - less than 100,000 years, oil. I am pretty sure at this point that the abiotic theory of oil creation is most likely the answer, but we do not know enough about it yet to detail the process with any specificity. More bullshit from the resident psychopath. You just can't stop lying. But that's what psychopaths do. courseware.e-education.ps...etroleum/L05_quality.html --------------------------------------------------------..Levi,... Rubenstein
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#2. To: PSUSA2 (#1)
#3. To: lead.and.lag (#2)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#4. To: PSUSA2 (#3)
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#5. To: lead.and.lag (#0)
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dont worry about oil.
#6. To: BTP Holdings (#5)
True fossil fuel is coal.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#7. To: IRTorqued (#6)
which I buy 80 pounds of every week to heat iron and shape it into various implements. in fact I plan on burning at least 20 pounds of the stuff today.
#8. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#3)
If it wasn't for us being over in the ME in the fist place, due to the oil, israel would be screwed.
#9. To: BTP Holdings (#7)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#10. To: Original_Intent (#8)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#11. To: Original_Intent (#8)
#12. To: IRTorqued (#9)
#13. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#10)
I dont give 2 shits if you agree with me or not.
#14. To: Cornhuskerkid (#11)
Some Big Lies are tough to let go of, like - oil is a fossil fuel - LOL. Even my children said, Dad how deep do they have to drill for oil? Did the dinosaurs really live in Center Earth? And on, and on. LOL It was a good kids movie though.
#15. To: Original_Intent (#13)
it offends me not in the least as it simply makes you look stupid and doubly so given that I run rings around you whenever I'm in the mood to hit the punching bag.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#16. To: Original_Intent (#14)
#17. To: PSUSA2 (#15)
Damn you're stupid. But you try to sound so smart.
#18. To: PSUSA2 (#15)
You are on a roll today! lmfao!
#19. To: Original_Intent (#8)
And the most important point tying them together is that none of them had/have a ROTHSCHILD CONTROLLED Central Bank. Even worse Ghadaffi was working to create an African monetary union which would have disempowered Rothschild control through much of Africa.
#20. To: Original_Intent (#18)
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You are on a roll today! lmfao!
#21. To: Original_Intent (#18)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#22. To: Cornhuskerkid (#16)
My Grandpa told me the same things you just said but many decades ago.
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... anything you can imagine we already know how to do." ~ Ben Rich, Lockheed Skunk Works chief (via Jim Goodall)
"For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli
#23. To: PSUSA2 (#21)
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#24. To: Original_Intent (#23)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#25. To: Cornhuskerkid (#12)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#26. To: Original_Intent (#22)
This has truly got to be one of the most insane planets in the universe.
#27. To: PSUSA2 (#24)
#28. To: PSUSA2 (#24)
To: Original_Intent You're the dumb fuck that said we are floating on oil.
#29. To: IRTorqued (#25)
#30. To: Cornhuskerkid (#29)
What you are making could have some incredible applications where I live.
#31. To: intotheabyss (#30)
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#32. To: Original_Intent (#27)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#33. To: Cornhuskerkid (#29)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#34. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
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See OI, I am on to you. I have been for some time now. You simply cannot tolerate anyone that disagrees with you.
Now, how about all that oil that we are "floating" on. Where is it?
#35. To: Original_Intent (#34)
In the ground.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#36. To: PSUSA2 (#35)
#37. To: PSUSA2 (#10)
And that is all about oil
#38. To: intotheabyss (#28)
Aren't there some sort of rules in the handbook your handlers give you that cautions you not to be so overt in your tactics?
#39. To: Tatarewicz, intotheabyss (#38)
Aren't there some sort of rules in the handbook your handlers give you that cautions you not to be so overt in your tactics?
#40. To: Tatarewicz (#37)
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#41. To: All (#40)
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#42. To: Tatarewicz, 4um (#37)
How can it be all about oil when producing states are more than anxious to sell it as a source of much-needed income and also know that American exploration and drilling technology is the best in the world?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#43. To: lead.and.lag (#40)
then there's the cost of getting the crude... a new semisubmersible like the globwater horizontal or whatever might cost $500 million dollars, and the cost of operating it is horrific, seeing as how it might be drilling 200 miles offshore in 10,000 feet of water.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#44. To: PSUSA2 (#43)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#45. To: lead.and.lag (#40)
#46. To: wudidiz (#44)
Who says there's a shortage of oil?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#47. To: PSUSA2 (#46)
What else are we doing over there?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#48. To: PSUSA2 (#46)
Would you go to the expense and trouble of offshore drilling if you didn't have to?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#49. To: All (#48)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#50. To: wudidiz (#48)
Would you go to the expense and trouble of offshore drilling if you didn't have to?
#51. To: wudidiz (#48)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#52. To: Original_Intent (#50)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#53. To: Original_Intent (#50)
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It provides support to the illusion that oil is scarce, and provides justification for higher prices.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#54. To: PSUSA2 (#51)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#55. To: wudidiz (#54)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#56. To: PSUSA2, Original_Intent (#53)
Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. Everyone is in on it.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#57. To: wudidiz (#56)
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#58. To: PSUSA2, wudidiz (#57)
How many people have polio now?
#59. To: Original_Intent (#58)
You simply betray your own ignorance, or the requirements of your talking points manual, by shooting off with incomplete and/or inaccurate assumptions.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#60. To: PSUSA2 (#53)
Illusion? LOL! Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. Everyone is in on it.
#61. To: Bill D Berger (#60)
"The problem with the conspiracy theory label is that it is overly broad in its condemnation of speculation about political intrigue. The label provides no basis for distinguishing groundless smears from reasonable suspicions warranting investigation.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#62. To: PSUSA2, wudidiz (#53)
It provides support to the illusion that oil is scarce, and provides justification for higher prices.
Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. Everyone is in on it.
We now know that Leakey's Lucy was just a monkey.
It was once believed that all of the planets and stars were encased in crystal and revolved around the earth - the so-called Celestial Sphere. Then it progressed to "the sun revolves around the earth". Which of these do you believe?
The French Academy was on record in the 18th Century with the firm pronouncement that "rocks don't fall from the sky". Today we call them Meteorites.
The work of Fr. Gregor Mendel, the father of modern genetics, lay dormant for a century after his death as it "could not possibly be true".
The Smithsonian Institution would not publish the achievement of the Wright Brothers at Kittyhawk for two years after the fact because they knew that powered flight was impossible. Oh, and that wasn't a conspiracy either. Like many scientific organizations they held onto a discredited theory in preference to observed facts.
Every revolutionary idea - in Science, Politics, Art or Whatever - evokes three stages of reaction.
1. "It is impossible - don't waste my time."
2. "It is possible, but it is not worth doing."
3. "I said it was a good idea all along."
#63. To: intotheabyss (#30)
The Boy Mechanic
#64. To: PSUSA2 (#59)
You simply betray your own ignorance, or the requirements of your talking points manual, by shooting off with incomplete and/or inaccurate assumptions.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
#65. To: Original_Intent (#62)
It fits our top dog Psychotics to a "t". Oh, and I didn't "just" invent it - I've been using it for several years now.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#66. To: PSUSA2 (#65)
That just goes to show that you don't learn. Do you know that there is a difference between psychotics and psychopaths/sociopaths? No? Well, now you know. Please make a note of it. I don't want to have to repeat myself.
That just goes to show that you don't learn. Do you know that there is a difference between psychotics and psychopaths/sociopaths?
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#67. To: Original_Intent (#66)
I believe I used the term Psychotic - however the behavior of the Alpha Psychotic Banksters, Psychiatrists, and many of their minions (not mentioning anyone in particular mind you) are also sociopathic in their behavior. However, Psychiatric terms are often vague and subjective labels which blend one into another. So, in the case of our Vearless Leahders both terms are descriptive of their behavior as their sociopathy flows out of their psychosis. They could also be named megalomaniacs as well, or if you prefer simpler teminology - monsters - wannabe Hannibal Lectres.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#68. To: Bill D Berger (#60)
History has shown all too clearly that public trust in high officials is sometimes misplaced."
#69. To: bluegrass (#63)
My grandfather had that book. I wish I had a hard copy.
#70. To: Original_Intent (#66)
Picture of cat in a birdcage
#71. To: intotheabyss (#68)
PSUSA2 believes what the MSM tells it and any other theory or explanation is a CT. This creature wants us to be like it and have ultimate trust in the PTB.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#72. To: PSUSA2 (#71)
The "alternative" media is just as screwed up as the MSM. Trust them if you want.
#73. To: PSUSA2 (#67)
I already said that I don't know of any 100% safe medical procedures. Even placebos have a risk of choking on the tablets.
So you take the tiny number medical hard cases and try to turn them into huge typical examples. You're not alone, others do that too, when they have an agenda they are pushing.
I'd say that chances are, you're alive today because of these evil vaccines.
#74. To: intotheabyss (#70)
Again, I must thank you for an exceptional belly laugh on that one :)
#75. To: intotheabyss (#72)
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#76. To: tom007 (#75)
One of the most sublime (whatever that means) paragraphs man has written.
#77. To: lead.and.lag, PSUSA2, Original_Intent, wudidiz, All (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#78. To: intotheabyss (#76)
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One of the most sublime (whatever that means) paragraphs man has written.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#79. To: Original_Intent (#73)
No one here has ever contended that there are any 100% safe procedures. However, the question was the efficacy and safety of vaccines, and there is a growing body of evidence which strongly suggests that they have been misrepresented by people with other agendas such as greed, and reducing the population. This IS science. Either the evidence is there to support them, and to discredit the evidence against or there is not. Given that the increasing body of evidence supports my position from a factual, empirical and clinical, point of view
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#80. To: FormerLurker (#77)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#81. To: PSUSA2 (#79)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#82. To: tom007 (#81)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#83. To: tom007 (#81)
I for one, likes the freedom of expression here.
#84. To: PSUSA2 (#79)
Vaccines are common. Why are we not dropping like flies in a blizzard?
Red Herring
Strawman Argument
Here are the 10 biggest vaccine news stories of 2011, reported on NaturalNews.com:#1 - Japanese children die from vaccines
Yet more evidence emerges of the deadly side effects of vaccines:
http://www.naturalnews.com/031616_vaccines_Japan.html#2 - U.S. government recruits churches to push flu shots on congregation members
Take that flu shot, or you'll go to Hell! That's the new message the U.S. government is trying to pound into the heads of church pastors and priests:
http://www.naturalnews.com/034394_churches_flu_shots_vaccinations.html#3 - Top CDC vaccine scientist indicted for fraud
You probably never read this story elsewhere, but one of the CDC's top researchers was indicted for allegedly stealing vaccine research money and using it to buy fancy vehicles and a luxury home:
http://www.naturalnews.com/032216_Thorsen_fraud.html#4 - IOM admits MMR vaccines cause seizures and measles
In a groundbreaking report, the Institute of Medicine openly admitted that vaccines actually cause the very measles they claim to prevent. The mainstream media, of course, misreported this research and utterly failed to cover the real story.
http://www.naturalnews.com/033447_Institute_of_Medicine_vaccines.html#5 - CDC openly admits flu vaccines don't work
Here's news you don't see every day: The CDC openly admits that vaccine flu shots "wear off," meaning they simply do not work in the way vaccine-pushing immunologists told us they did.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032558_flu_shots_wear_off.html#6 - Merck vaccine scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman admits vaccines contain cancer-causing viruses
The actual admission happened decades ago, but news of it only went viral in 2011 as alternative news websites like NaturalNews publicized the once-secret audio recordings revealing shocking admissions by Dr. Maurice Hilleman.
http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_Dr_Maurice_Hilleman_SV40.html#7 - HPV vaccines found contaminated with HPV!
Pretty clever, huh? Just lace the HPV vaccines with the DNA of HPV itself, and you can spread the disease to create more fear that sells more vaccines!
http://www.naturalnews.com/033585_Gardasil_contamination.html#8 - Swine flu vaccine admittedly causes neurological disorders
2011 was the year that the nation of Finland openly admitted on the record that swine flu vaccines "conclusively" cause neurological disorders. It then offered to pay the lifetime medical costs of those damaged by such vaccines.
Remember, the USA continues to absurdly claim that vaccines cause NO damage (not to anyone) and are perfectly safe for infants, children and even pregnant women!
http://www.naturalnews.com/033816_swine_flu_vaccines_neurological_disorde...#9 - Science says flu vaccines only work on 1 out of 100
Now, even the scientists can't argue with their own science, can they? Rigorous studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals reveal that flu vaccines hardly work at all and are wasted on 98.5 out of 100 people who take them.
http://www.naturalnews.com/033998_influenza_vaccines_effectiveness.html#10 - Hallmark caught distributing flu shot compliance cards to new moms
Yes, even the Hallmark card company is now pushing vaccines. Plotting alongside state agencies in Florida, Colorado and elsewhere, the company pushes out cutesy flu shot "compliance" cards that urge new moms to have their newborn babies injected with dozens of combination vaccines, complete with mercury and chemical adjuvants that cause neurological disorders:
http://www.naturalnews.com/034365_Hallmark_vaccines_newborns.html
---------------------------------------------- End of Article "There is no such evidence that you claim. None. All you have are the ravings of idiots. And believing them makes you an idiot."
Argumentum Ad Hominem
Loaded Words
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.
3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
"I bet you have had the advantage of being vaccinated. You got yours but if you got your way, everyone else would be SOL. It's evident that you want them to die of these diseases. There is no other way to put it. It is you that is the psychopath. You would deny others the protection that you enjoy."
"I told you I had you pegged. You're a psychopath."
#85. To: FormerLurker, BSUSATOO, PUSUSATOO, PSUSA2, wudidiz, lead.and.lag, all (#77)
#86. To: Original_Intent (#84)
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#87. To: Original_Intent (#85)
(Edited)
Titan has “Hundreds of Times More” Liquid Hydrocarbons Than Earth
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#88. To: PSUSA2 (#86)
#89. To: Artisan (#88)
People such as bill gates admit that mass vaccines will reduce population
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#90. To: PSUSA2 (#89)
#91. To: Artisan (#90)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#92. To: PSUSA2 (#91)
#93. To: PSUSA2 (#80)
Tell me if other planets methane and other hydrocarbons = oil
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: FormerLurker (#93)
Oil is a hydrocarbon. Methane is a precursor to oil.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#95. To: PSUSA2, Original_Intent (#94)
Methane is a precursor to oil? Really? If you want to play chemist, you might want to do some basic research first. THen. maybe you can fake it more convincingly. THen you might be able to convince others, if they are gullible.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: PSUSA2 (#94)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: FormerLurker (#95)
Comets are made of hydrocarbons, including tar. Dinosaurs did not hatch comets, nor did they pee oil deep into the earth for that matter.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#98. To: FormerLurker (#96)
Did you even know that crude oil is just a blend of many different hydrocarbons?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#99. To: PSUSA2, Original_Intent (#95)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#100. To: PSUSA2 (#97)
But comets have plate tectonics?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#101. To: PSUSA2 (#98)
So all you need is a blender?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#102. To: FormerLurker (#100)
WTF has plate tectonics have to do with hydrocarbons?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#103. To: PSUSA2 (#97)
I'll believe it when the abiotic "theory" is proven in the labs and is no longer this silly "well, if X happens with Y and Z, along with _____________ and
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#104. To: PSUSA2 (#102)
I am not a chemist. I am not a geologist. I am not an astronomer.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#105. To: All (#102)
I am not a chemist. I am not a geologist. I am not an astronomer.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#106. To: FormerLurker (#104)
Then perhaps you should stop swallowing the Kool-Aid and do a bit of research. And bring along an open mind and some common sense.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#107. To: PSUSA2 (#102)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#108. To: PSUSA2 (#106)
Again, they need to prove it in the lab. And it must be able to be duplicated.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#109. To: PSUSA2 (#106)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#110. To: PSUSA2 (#106)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#111. To: PSUSA2 (#106)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#112. To: PSUSA2, Original_Intent, All (#106)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#113. To: FormerLurker (#110)
CONVERSION OF METHANE TO GASOLINE-RANGE HYDROCARBONS
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#114. To: PSUSA2 (#113)
(Edited)
2nd, page 1 paragraph 1, is says gasoline boiling temps, not gasoline.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#115. To: PSUSA2 (#113)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#116. To: FormerLurker (#114)
In other words, they produced hydrocarbons which boiled in the temperature range gasoline would boil at. Hence, they produced gasoline or gasoline like hydrocarbons.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#117. To: FormerLurker (#115)
What is it about the fact that various types of hydrocarbons are in abundance on other worlds that doesn't register with you?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#118. To: PSUSA2 (#116)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: PSUSA2 (#116)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#120. To: PSUSA2 (#117)
But hydrocarbons do not equal oil.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#121. To: FormerLurker (#118)
Methane-derived hydrocarbons produced under upper-mantle conditions
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#122. To: FormerLurker, BSUSATOO, PUSUSATOO, PSUSA2, wudidiz, lead.and.lag, all (#115)
(Edited)
What is it about the fact that various types of hydrocarbons are in abundance on other worlds that doesn't register with you?
#123. To: FormerLurker (#119)
You can even turn lead into gold using a reactor. Or so I've read.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#124. To: Original_Intent (#122)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#125. To: PSUSA2 (#121)
I'm not trying to be stubborn just for the sake of being stubborn. But there is nothing in that article that supports abiotic oil. In fact, it explicitly supports the opposite, and calls abiotic oil a "open question", as well as uses words "proposed", and "could be".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: PSUSA2 (#123)
I'd have to look it up, but I don't think it's reversible. Or maybe it wasn't reversible when I was taught this. Things have changed since then.
In 1980, Glenn Seaborg was successful in transmuting minute quantities lead to gold, possibly via bismuth. In 1972, Russian scientists found that the lead shielding of an experimental nuclear reactor near Lake Baikal in Siberia had unexpectedly turned to gold!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#127. To: PSUSA2 (#124)
#128. To: Original_Intent, PSUSA2 (#122)
If the Peak Oil disinfo artists admitted that hydrocarbons exist in abundance in the outer Solar System then they have to explain how the Great Dinosaur Migration to Titan took place.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#129. To: FormerLurker (#125)
Did you miss this part?
#130. To: FormerLurker, BSUSATOO, PUSUSATOO, PSUSA2, wudidiz, lead.and.lag, all (#128)
If the Peak Oil disinfo artists admitted that hydrocarbons exist in abundance in the outer Solar System then they have to explain how the Great Dinosaur Migration to Titan took place.
#131. To: FormerLurker (#125)
Did you miss this part?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#132. To: FormerLurker (#128)
#133. To: Original_Intent (#132)
Never mind that to a chemist Hydrocarbons and Crude Oil are interchangeable
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#134. To: PSUSA2 (#131)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#135. To: PSUSA2 (#133)
#136. To: FormerLurker (#134)
They didn't subject the methane to hundreds of years worth of pressure and heat. Perhaps if and when that is done, it'll prove one way or another what happens under those conditions.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#137. To: Original_Intent (#132)
Never mind that to a chemist Hydrocarbons and Crude Oil are interchangeable and the chemist will prefer "hydrocarbon" as being technically and scientifically more accurate.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#138. To: PSUSA2 (#136)
I don't buy that. If they can make industrial diamonds by using explosives, they can figure out how to make crude oil out of methane by duplicating natural processes.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#139. To: FormerLurker (#137)
But, it is almost always, if not always found in combination with the lighter hydrocarbons such as methane, ethane, propane, and butane.
#140. To: FormerLurker (#138)
Who says that it HASN'T already been done? I'm sure that any such inventor would either be very rich (paid off for his idea), or very dead.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#141. To: PSUSA2 (#10)
finding sand for the kids sandboxes.
#142. To: PSUSA2, Original_Intent (#140)
Occams razor still applies
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#143. To: Original_Intent (#139)
The real problem is thought processes. Too many people react and accept things on authority rather than looking at the data and deciding for themselves.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#144. To: FormerLurker (#143)
And it behooves the powers that be to keep people in the dark, since their hundred billion dollar per year profit might evaporate like liquid methane at normal room temperature.
#145. To: Original_Intent (#144)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#146. To: FormerLurker (#145)
He who controls the world's energy, controls the world.
#147. To: PSUSA2, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, all (#140)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#148. To: Original_Intent (#122)
If the Peak Oil disinfo artists admitted that hydrocarbons exist in abundance in the outer Solar System then they have to explain how the Great Dinosaur Migration to Titan took place.
#149. To: intotheabyss (#148)
#150. To: Original_Intent (#149)
You are most welcome. There is nothing quite so pleasing as the aroma of roast shill. ;-)
#151. To: FormerLurker (#142)
except that they toss in dinosaurs
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#152. To: tom007 (#151)
It made a cute oil company logo, tho.
#153. To: tom007 (#151)
I have never met a oil geologist that thought oil came from dinos.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#154. To: tom007 (#151)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#155. To: FormerLurker, lod (#154)
Same argument holds though, did ancient marine, vegetable, or animal life form the hydrocarbon lakes on Titan, or the comets which orbit the sun?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#156. To: tom007, Lod (#155)
(Edited)
Lod should be able to.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#157. To: Bill D Berger (#60)
#158. To: tom007, All (#155)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#159. To: wudidiz (#147)
#160. To: Cornhuskerkid (#159)
You have to admit. He WAS a friggin' genius.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#161. To: tom007, Lod, wudidz, Original_Intent, All (#155)
The gabbroic bacteria also rely on totally different food sources. They subsist on hydrocarbons such as methane or benzene, much like the bacteria found in oil slicks or contaminated soil.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#162. To: All (#161)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: FormerLurker (#161)
What if oil is just excrement from gazillions of living little critters underground? They would thrive on heat, rather than sunlight, and basically poop oil.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#164. To: FormerLurker (#153)
(Edited)
I have never met a oil geologist that thought oil came from dinos.
#165. To: PSUSA2 (#163)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#166. To: PSUSA2, All (#163)
Please tell me you are not that stupid. Personally I don't think you are. But now I am not so sure anymore.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: FormerLurker (#166)
there COULD be those which do, but live at deeper depths into the earth's mantle than what we've yet explored...
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#168. To: randge (#164)
I know a guy that does this stuff. Oil companies send him rocks and liquids and he studies the samples with a binocular microscope. There's a spectacular array of critters in those samples.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#169. To: PSUSA2 (#167)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#170. To: PSUSA2 (#167)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#171. To: FormerLurker (#161)
What if oil is just excrement from gazillions of living little critters underground? They would thrive on heat, rather than sunlight, and basically poop oil.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#172. To: randge (#164)
There's a spectacular array of critters in those samples.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#173. To: FormerLurker (#169)
Do you deny the possibility that NATURAL microbes may very well excrete complex hydrocarbons deep within the earth's mantle?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#174. To: PSUSA2 (#173)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#175. To: PSUSA2 (#173)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#176. To: PSUSA2 (#173)
You can't prove a negative.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#177. To: FormerLurker (#168)
Question would be, are those recently deceased critters, live critters, or very anciently deceased critters...
#178. To: tom007 (#171)
According to Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson there are a huge number of organisms in a cubic foot of soil that we have no idea what they are or what they are doing or why they are doing it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#179. To: randge (#177)
We're talking micropaleontology here, and these are microfossils.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#180. To: FormerLurker (#179)
Have they been dated, and how certain are they of their age?
#181. To: FormerLurker (#176)
In other words, you can NOT deny the possibility that NATURAL organisms produce hydrocarbons, especially since microbes already DO produce them in laboratories.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#182. To: FormerLurker (#175)
(Edited)
Since you seem eager to ridicule any theory which suggests how crude oil is formed,
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#183. To: FormerLurker (#174)
It proves that hydrocarbons can form without dead plant or animal matter.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#184. To: FormerLurker, tom007, Lod, wudidz, intotheabyss, All (#161)
But are there dinosaurs?! See! /sarcasm
#185. To: PSUSA2, FormerLurker (#181)
(Edited)
I haven't blaster anyone, except for OI and his ass kissers.
You mess weeth the buull you get thee horns. Eh amigo?
#186. To: FormerLurker (#178)
Can you imagine what sort of critters there are below the earth's crust?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#187. To: Original_Intent (#185)
You mess weeth the buull you get
thee horns bullshit.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#188. To: PSUSA2 (#182)
Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories"...
#189. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#182)
Since you seem eager to ridicule any theory which suggests how crude oil is formed,
"I don't have to have a personal theory. Why reinvent the wheel?"
"Why bother to think? Other people will do it for me."
Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories", no matter how off the wall they are.
"If man were mean't to fly God would have given him wings."
"Man will never go to the moon space travel is just impossible Science Fiction."
"Truth will always be truth, regadless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." ~ W. Clement Stone
"For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of England
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI
President Franklin Roosevelt Nov. 21, 1933 "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson."
"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson
"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" ~ Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) from "The Sign of Four"
#190. To: bluegrass (#189)
#191. To: Original_Intent (#189)
PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#192. To: bluegrass (#188)
When you get a minute, draw up a list of the accepted theories that fall within The One True Faith? Thanks.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#193. To: PSUSA2 (#191)
#194. To: Original_Intent (#193)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#195. To: PSUSA2 (#194)
#196. To: bluegrass (#188)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#197. To: Original_Intent (#195)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#198. To: Original_Intent (#189)
"Truth will always be truth, regadless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." ~ W. Clement Stone
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#199. To: PSUSA2 (#182)
Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#200. To: ALL (#199)
Two HUNNERT!!!!!!!
#201. To: FormerLurker (#199)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#202. To: PSUSA2 (#197)
Is that another one if your silly pics? If so, AdBlock+ is a great addon.
Hasty Lombago Chemosobby!
#203. To: PSUSA2 (#201)
This is what it's about, right? Abiotic oil? Not the 'Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc.'
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#204. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#201)
This is what it's about, right? Abiotic oil? Not the 'Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc.'
Abiotic Oil a Theory Worth Exploring - Energy Intelligence (usnews ...
Abiotic Oil -- Reserves Replenished by Process in Earth's Mantle?
The Environmental Literacy Council - Abiotic Theory
New study appears to support theory of abiotic oil | SciGuy | a Chron ...
Raymond J. Learsy: Why Does Abiotic Oil Theory Ignite Peak Oil ...
The Abiotic Oil Formation Theory
Scientists Prove Abiotic Oil Is Real!
The Problem: BP Oil Gusher a Product of Abiotic Oil–Not Dinosaurs ...
#205. To: PSUSA2 (#201)
Is abiotic oil even a theory?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#206. To: wudidiz (#198)
"Truth will always be truth, regadless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." ~ W. Clement Stone
#207. To: PSUSA2 (#192)
#208. To: PSUSA2 (#201)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#209. To: All (#0)
#210. To: Original_Intent (#189)
BSUSATOO
#211. To: bluegrass (#207)
(Edited)
Methane exists on Titan and in the atmospheres of the outer planets. It's already a known fact that hydrocarbons can be created in an abiotic environment.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#212. To: lead.and.lag (#209)
i got to admit it's pretty comical watching you guys defend the CFR's position on peak oil.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#213. To: PSUSA2, bluegrass (#211)
The "thank you's" are fucking irritating, arent they? Perhaps I should just have said fuck you.
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
#214. To: Original_Intent (#213)
(Edited)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#215. To: All (#214)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#216. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#212)
i got to admit it's pretty comical watching you guys defend the CFR's position on peak oil.
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
#217. To: PSUSA2 (#215)
See OI? You dont need to be a scientist to copy/paste.
#218. To: Original_Intent (#217)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#219. To: PSUSA2 (#211)
I never said that there wasn't.
#220. To: James Deffenbach (#210)
BSUSATOO
#221. To: PSUSA2, All (#218)
I'll say this. You are one persistent leg humper.
#222. To: All (#0)
(Edited)
#223. To: lead.and.lag, all (#222)
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
#224. To: All (#222)
(Edited)
#225. To: All (#224)
#226. To: lead.and.lag (#222)
maybe it took them another nano-second and a half to figure out peak oil must be denied at all costs, lest people start connecting the dots.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#227. To: PSUSA2 (#226)
(Edited)
In that small town, Hooker OK with a population of 1900, cars were backed up about a mile, waiting.
Two delegations, the United States and Israel, withdrew from the conference over objections to a draft document equating Zionism with racism. The final Declaration and Programme of Action did not contain the text that the U.S. and Israel had objected to, that text having been voted out by delegates in the days after the U.S. and Israel withdrew.
#228. To: lead.and.lag (#227)
(Edited)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#229. To: All (#227)
#230. To: lead.and.lag, PSUSA2, All (#224)
in the ten years since 9/11, we havent bothered anyone but countries with oil, or countries that are on strategic pipeline routes.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#231. To: FormerLurker (#230)
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the global elite wish to control EVERY drop of oil on this planet, as he who controls the world's energy, controls the world itself.
#232. To: FormerLurker, All (#230)
in the ten years since 9/11, we havent bothered anyone but countries with oil, or countries that are on strategic pipeline routes.
#233. To: All (#231)
#234. To: All (#233)
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#235. To: All (#234)
#236. To: lead.and.lag, All (#229)
israel is dependent on american protection, america is dependent on cheap oil, and oil production is peaking...
#237. To: All (#235)
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#238. To: FormerLurker (#230)
So the fact remains, the global elite wish to control EVERY drop of oil on this planet, as he who controls the world's energy, controls the world itself.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#239. To: All (#237)
#240. To: All (#239)
#241. To: lead.and.lag (#231)
these poor countries cant produce their abiotic oil because this phantom government forbids it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#242. To: lead.and.lag (#240)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#243. To: All (#240)
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#244. To: Original_Intent (#232)
NOT HAVING A ROTHSCHILD CONTROLLED CENTRAL BANK are the real common threads between Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#245. To: lead.and.lag (#243)
anyhow, i'm glad to see so many of you are so fervently defending the CFR's position on peak oil.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#246. To: PSUSA2 (#226)
On 9/11 I stopped in a small town in OK to fuel up, because no way would I make it to my next fuel stop. In that small town, Hooker OK with a population of 1900, cars were backed up about a mile, waiting. Inside, it was fucking chaos. If people are that screwed up in the head on that day, what are they going to do when it's the real deal?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#247. To: FormerLurker (#245)
Saudi Arabia is going to be ramping up production
#248. To: All (#247)
#249. To: lead.and.lag (#235)
the fact that so much of our "war on terror" seems to be focussed on depriving china of acces to oil is simply more evidence that china is awash in abiotic oil.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#250. To: tom007 (#249)
hat really makes sense
#251. To: lead.and.lag (#250)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#252. To: FormerLurker (#241)
Russia has had some success locating geological areas where there are fissures in the crust allowing oil to pool from deep underground, and have recovered significant amounts from those expeditions.
#253. To: tom007 (#246)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#254. To: Original_Intent (#252)
One article I read on the BP oilpocalypse suggested that they might have tapped into one of the deeper layers with the Macondo rig - and that one of the reasons it blew out was that the pressure at that depth was simply too much for their equipment.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#255. To: PSUSA2 (#253)
I can't decide whether to be an optimist or a pessimist.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#256. To: tom007 (#254)
One article I read on the BP oilpocalypse suggested that they might have tapped into one of the deeper layers with the Macondo rig - and that one of the reasons it blew out was that the pressure at that depth was simply too much for their equipment.
#257. To: Original_Intent, tom007 (#256)
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hat rings a bell, but I haven't looked at it for a while. The other interesting thing about the oil coming out was that it was more of a brown which I am told indicates "young", as in recently created - less than 100,000 years, oil.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
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