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Title: How Not To Argue That We’re Running Out Of Oil
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Council on Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2012/01/2 ... -that-were-running-out-of-oil/
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Michael Levi
Post Date: 2012-01-28 12:06:03 by lead.and.lag
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you can read this article here at the CFR site. the author, Michael Levi, is the David M. Rubenstein Senior Fellow for Energy and the Environment at the CFR, and his artticle is a mixture of disinformation, bad metaphors, and haywire logic. his argument, although it's kinda hard to pin down, seems to be: party on, dudes, and dont worry about oil. my comments, which are languishing, and most likey will die, in "awaiting moderation" limbo, go like this... does this mean that the PNAC/AEI/exxon people didnt have to do 9/11 in response to peak oil? 3000 american lives, countless lives elsewhere… wasted, because nobody saw shale oil coming. what a tragedy." and... http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1215/pnacprogress6272011.jpg this article is being discussed at theoildrum, despite attempts to derail it to a discussion of newt's moonbase scheme. "oh, man…
"here’s a map PNAC’s efforts in response to their misperceptions of peak oil.
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#162. To: All (#161)
Here's a link to the story mentioned above about the exploration into the gabbroic layer (which sits right above the mantle), this one written by New Scientist magazine...
Please tell me you are not that stupid. Personally I don't think you are. But now I am not so sure anymore. What does the article say? Did it say anything about the bacteria "pooping" oil? No, it didnt. You're grasping at straws, looking for anything that can back you up on this, whether it's other posters, or it's articles that you see things in that aren't even there. -------------------------------------------------------- Well actually what they say is, "plant and animal matter", or "ancient marine life". The bulk of petroleum likely does not come from animal matter, but there is a lot of animal matter mixed in with it. Biostratigraphers use micropaleontology to determine the age of petroleum deposits. Both animal and plant fossils are used to date petroleum bearing deposits. That kind of dating is correlated with radiometric analysis to find the age of beds at different depths. I know a guy that does this stuff. Oil companies send him rocks and liquids and he studies the samples with a binocular microscope. There's a spectacular array of critters in those samples.
I'm sure in one of your past lives, you persecuted folks such as Galieo and Newton, since they didn't repeat what was already in books.
What does the article say? Did it say anything about the bacteria "pooping" oil? No, it didnt. It's already being done in laboratories. Who's to say what we'd discover if we could bore down to the mantle and examine the sort of natural flora which exists there. It's obvious that there already ARE natural microorganisms which DO eat hydrocarbons, it's not mentioned in the earlier article what they excrete. Even if THOSE particular bacteria do not excrete heavier hydrocarbons (or decay into them), there COULD be those which do, but live at deeper depths into the earth's mantle than what we've yet explored... And one day, pigs COULD fly. One day, we COULD have an honest president. Why do you go off of what "could" be, instead of what is? This whole fiasco was invented by the Russians during the cold war. How much time is needed to prove this? This "theory" (but if you look up the definition of theory then it isn't a theory) could just as easily come about due to political pressure as anything else. After all, they deluded themselves into believing there was no food shortages when people were dying by the truckload due to starvation. You have your supporters here. I am about the only, if not the only, detractor here, But that doesn't mean anything when it comes to who is right and who is wrong. OI is a fucktard that if believed, we'd be dead several times over already, either due to radiation or corexit, or any other number of things he tried to start a panic over, because he is a fucking idiot, no more and no less. And the rest of them aren't any better. comets which turned into orbiting tarballs... Tarballs? Come on man. THINK! Or let others do your thinking for you. If you want ass kissers and back slappers, then that is what you will get. -------------------------------------------------------- Question would be, are those recently deceased critters, live critters, or very anciently deceased critters... Do you deny the fact that there ARE artificially created microbes which DO excrete hydrocarbons such as gasoline? Do you deny the fact that comets DO have hydrocarbon signatures? Do you deny the possibility that NATURAL microbes may very well excrete complex hydrocarbons deep within the earth's mantle? What sort of scientific evidence are you aware of that proves simple heat and pressure turns biomass into crude oil? Has it ever been duplicated in a laboratory? By what process were the hydrocarbon lakes created on Titan?
Maybe that's what's going on in places like Titan, deep underground. According to Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson there are a huge number of organisms in a cubic foot of soil that we have no idea what they are or what they are doing or why they are doing it. ping You can't prove a negative. You can only prove a positive. But PROOF is lacking in abiotic oil. All you have are "what if's" and "coulds" and "maybes" and huge "conspiracies". What sort of scientific evidence are you aware of that proves simple heat and pressure turns biomass into crude oil? Has it ever been duplicated in a laboratory? I don't know. Has it? I already told you I am not a scientist, and that I refuse to play one on 4um. But there are many such pretenders here. They will tell you what's what, and if you don't believe them, then you are an "agent" telling the "big lie". They just love to pretend, and gather as many ass kissers as they possibly can, that fawn over their every phony word. Your 1st 2 questions are irrelevant. One deals with artificial creations and the other comets. Why would it surprise anyone that a comet would have combinations of the 2 most common elements in the universe? What does that prove? -------------------------------------------------------- Why would it surprise anyone that a comet would have combinations of the 2 most common elements in the universe? What does that prove? It proves that hydrocarbons can form without dead plant or animal matter. Since you seem eager to ridicule any theory which suggests how crude oil is formed, what is YOUR theory on how it is formed? Do you even HAVE a theory, or do you just think satan made it down there in hell or something?
In other words, you can NOT deny the possibility that NATURAL organisms produce hydrocarbons, especially since microbes already DO produce them in laboratories. You blasted me as if it were utterly and totally impossible and improbable. It is neither. We're talking micropaleontology here, and these are microfossils. You can be sure that they're good and dead.
And that's just within top soil. Can you imagine what sort of critters there are below the earth's crust? You can be sure that they're good and dead. Have they been dated, and how certain are they of their age? Hell, that depends. I ain't no expert, but when you are using radiometric methods like potassium-argon dating you're talking hundreds of thousands to millions of years, depending on where on the dang earth the samples come from, which can be anywhere petroleum is prospected for.
You blasted me as if it were utterly and totally impossible and improbable. It is neither. I haven't blaster anyone, except for OI and his ass kissers. And I never said it was impossible. All I said is that it is not even close to being proven. Even the articles posted have said as much. I also said that I hope you are right. And then I said that hope is not the same as proof. -------------------------------------------------------- Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "theory". Then ask yourself if abiotic oil fits the definition or not. Do you even HAVE a theory, or do you just think satan made it down there in hell or something? I don't have to have a personal theory. Why reinvent the wheel? If people that are smarter than I am, and with more equipment and money, say it was based on fossil life forms, then that is what it is. Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories", no matter how off the wall they are. If it goes against their perceived "conspirators", then they'll believe it, proof be damned. -------------------------------------------------------- Did I ever say that it couldn't? No. In fact I said that it does explain how planets get hydrocarbons, but that is a far cry from having crude oil. -------------------------------------------------------- Coolness. Life is fecund and pervasive. We have found life in deep sea volcanic vents to ice in the frozen wastelands of Antarctica. As well, despite the attempts to suppress the evidence and spin it away, Mars as well. So, given that history, it does not surprise me much, if at all, to find life deep within the inhospitable bowels of the earth. Po' beebe get his feewings hurt? I wish I could be more sure of this but I believe I read in Scientific American a long time age that geologists found Very Slow growing bacteria, alive, deep within granite. I suppose even bullshit has its uses. But you sure do produce a lot of it. -------------------------------------------------------- When you get a minute, draw up a list of the accepted theories that fall within The One True Faith? Thanks.
Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "theory". Then ask yourself if abiotic oil fits the definition or not. Do you even HAVE a theory, or do you just think satan made it down there in hell or something? I don't have to have a personal theory. Why reinvent the wheel? If people that are smarter than I am, and with more equipment and money, say it was based on fossil life forms, then that is what it is. Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories", no matter how off the wall they are. If it goes against their perceived "conspirators", then they'll believe it, proof be damned. The question evident from your post is that you have no clear understanding of what a theory is. For the record, if one is following the Scientific Method a theory is nothing more than a hypothesis, a provisional explanation, which seems to account for all of the observed data and phenomena. A theory is only as good as the observations which support it and becomes instantly invalid upon the observation of even one contrary datum since it no longer accounts for all of the observed data. In that event then the theory must be reformulated to account for the new datum or completely discarded and a new one formulated which accounts for all of the data. Not surprisingly I see you fall back on your usual gratuitous nastiness and logical fallacies as you assert your own "worthy" opinion. Many of the accepted theories of today were yesterdays heresies. For example: Tube based electronics was once state of the art. The first man to invent radio was laughed at. Nikola Tesla was called a kook - the man who developed the theory and practice of Alternating Current, AC Motors, and electric power transmission. I could go through a considerable list of former theories that were once accepted as the last, final, and ultimate word, e.g., Uniformitarian Geology as propounded by Hutton won out over Cuvier's theories of Catastrophism. Cuvier was laughed at and ridiculed by the Scientific Mainstream and yet today he is being proven correct. Massive earth changes can and do happen in the geologic blink of an eye, and we now know some of the causes e.g., asteroid impacts, pole shifts, etc., ... Even that the continents do move and realign, as theorized by Alfred Wegner, was laughed at, derided, and ridiculed by the "authorities". Embarassingly Wegner was proven correct with the discovery of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge during the International Geophysical Year and is now called "Plate Tectonics" - something which you tried to use to earlier justify your slavish devotion to the official theories. The sheer level of ignorance in your post, pontificated upon as though it were holy writ, boggles the mind. However, you need not worry about it as it would seem that anything quite so mind boggling and requiring any imagination beyond what kind of beer the local gas stations carries is beyond your feeble ken. Reliance upon such Ad Hominem terms as "conspiracy theory" is another demonstration of your inability to go where the facts would seem to point. The facts are what they are and the evidence of large scale machinations is present if one wishes to expose their head to fresh air and actually look at what the data infers. A conspiracy at its most basic is nothing more that two or more people working together in secret to do something which is often illegal and outright criminal. Conspiracies, and even large ones, are as old as human history. Just ask Julius Ceasar, or the Medicis, Lucretia Borgia, or any of a number of other historical figures of power and influence who have operated behind the scenes to further their own ends. The American Revolution began as a "conspiracy" against the Crown of England. So, please feel free to bleatingly follow that which you have been told that you will believe, and repeat the mantras you been programmed with. As for the rest of us who prefer to think for ourselves we are not only independent in our thought but rather cantankerously obstinate about our right, and even duty, to think for ourselves. You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming. Have a nice day. :-) Ping to my above.
I think you missed some people. Perhaps you think they will back you up? I mean, they haven;t been on this thread, they have shown absolutely no interest in it, but they might read all 180+ posts, just for you. So, rally those troops! Now you can post all sorts of off topic things, like Tesla, vacuum tubes, etc. But none of it has anything to do with abiotic oil. I know, you needed a distraction. Distracting means no evidence for the topic at hand is needed, right? You just say "OH, LOOK OVER HERE!!!! Dont look at that, but LOOK AT THIS!" You're so transparent. You need to try harder. -------------------------------------------------------- Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "theory". Then ask yourself if abiotic oil fits the definition or not. You're welcome -------------------------------------------------------- Poooh beebe. Of course I invited a crowd - I like sharing the fun. Unlike you I am a social, and sociable, person who enjoys sharing a good laugh. I can understand though why you may not share in the mirth. I guess that's a burden I'll have to bear. I see that you did ping some of the OI Ass Kissing Brigade, along with some others, so perhaps they will chime in and post a "PSUSA is a dumbass heheehehehe". That's OK, I'll never see it. They're even more idiotic than you are.
-------------------------------------------------------- When you get a minute, draw up a list of the accepted theories that fall within The One True Faith? Thanks. lol good one Is that another one if your silly pics? If so, AdBlock+ is a great addon. I recommend it for everyone. It's so handy. -------------------------------------------------------- "For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of England “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI President Franklin Roosevelt Nov. 21, 1933 "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson." "Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" ~ Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) from "The Sign of Four" It is as though there have been others that came before us who suspected conspiracies as well... So the Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc., are all delusions of paranoids, eh? Is abiotic oil even a theory? This is what it's about, right? Abiotic oil? Not the 'Theory of Relativity, Manifold Theory, Quantum Theory, etc.' --------------------------------------------------------
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: FormerLurker (#161)
What if oil is just excrement from gazillions of living little critters underground? They would thrive on heat, rather than sunlight, and basically poop oil.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#164. To: FormerLurker (#153)
(Edited)
I have never met a oil geologist that thought oil came from dinos.
#165. To: PSUSA2 (#163)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#166. To: PSUSA2, All (#163)
Please tell me you are not that stupid. Personally I don't think you are. But now I am not so sure anymore.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: FormerLurker (#166)
there COULD be those which do, but live at deeper depths into the earth's mantle than what we've yet explored...
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#168. To: randge (#164)
I know a guy that does this stuff. Oil companies send him rocks and liquids and he studies the samples with a binocular microscope. There's a spectacular array of critters in those samples.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#169. To: PSUSA2 (#167)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#170. To: PSUSA2 (#167)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#171. To: FormerLurker (#161)
What if oil is just excrement from gazillions of living little critters underground? They would thrive on heat, rather than sunlight, and basically poop oil.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#172. To: randge (#164)
There's a spectacular array of critters in those samples.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#173. To: FormerLurker (#169)
Do you deny the possibility that NATURAL microbes may very well excrete complex hydrocarbons deep within the earth's mantle?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#174. To: PSUSA2 (#173)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#175. To: PSUSA2 (#173)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#176. To: PSUSA2 (#173)
You can't prove a negative.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#177. To: FormerLurker (#168)
Question would be, are those recently deceased critters, live critters, or very anciently deceased critters...
#178. To: tom007 (#171)
According to Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson there are a huge number of organisms in a cubic foot of soil that we have no idea what they are or what they are doing or why they are doing it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#179. To: randge (#177)
We're talking micropaleontology here, and these are microfossils.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#180. To: FormerLurker (#179)
Have they been dated, and how certain are they of their age?
#181. To: FormerLurker (#176)
In other words, you can NOT deny the possibility that NATURAL organisms produce hydrocarbons, especially since microbes already DO produce them in laboratories.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#182. To: FormerLurker (#175)
(Edited)
Since you seem eager to ridicule any theory which suggests how crude oil is formed,
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#183. To: FormerLurker (#174)
It proves that hydrocarbons can form without dead plant or animal matter.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#184. To: FormerLurker, tom007, Lod, wudidz, intotheabyss, All (#161)
But are there dinosaurs?! See! /sarcasm
#185. To: PSUSA2, FormerLurker (#181)
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I haven't blaster anyone, except for OI and his ass kissers.
You mess weeth the buull you get thee horns. Eh amigo?
#186. To: FormerLurker (#178)
Can you imagine what sort of critters there are below the earth's crust?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#187. To: Original_Intent (#185)
You mess weeth the buull you get
thee horns bullshit.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#188. To: PSUSA2 (#182)
Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories"...
#189. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#182)
Since you seem eager to ridicule any theory which suggests how crude oil is formed,
"I don't have to have a personal theory. Why reinvent the wheel?"
"Why bother to think? Other people will do it for me."
Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories", no matter how off the wall they are.
"If man were mean't to fly God would have given him wings."
"Man will never go to the moon space travel is just impossible Science Fiction."
"Truth will always be truth, regadless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." ~ W. Clement Stone
"For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of England
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI
President Franklin Roosevelt Nov. 21, 1933 "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson."
"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson
"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" ~ Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) from "The Sign of Four"
#190. To: bluegrass (#189)
#191. To: Original_Intent (#189)
PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#192. To: bluegrass (#188)
When you get a minute, draw up a list of the accepted theories that fall within The One True Faith? Thanks.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#193. To: PSUSA2 (#191)
#194. To: Original_Intent (#193)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#195. To: PSUSA2 (#194)
#196. To: bluegrass (#188)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#197. To: Original_Intent (#195)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#198. To: Original_Intent (#189)
"Truth will always be truth, regadless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." ~ W. Clement Stone
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#199. To: PSUSA2 (#182)
Only paranoids that think that there are huge conspiracies will come up with their own "theories" or adopt others "theories"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#200. To: ALL (#199)
Two HUNNERT!!!!!!!
#201. To: FormerLurker (#199)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
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