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Title: How Not To Argue That We’re Running Out Of Oil
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Council on Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2012/01/2 ... -that-were-running-out-of-oil/
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Michael Levi
Post Date: 2012-01-28 12:06:03 by lead.and.lag
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you can read this article here at the CFR site. the author, Michael Levi, is the David M. Rubenstein Senior Fellow for Energy and the Environment at the CFR, and his artticle is a mixture of disinformation, bad metaphors, and haywire logic. his argument, although it's kinda hard to pin down, seems to be: party on, dudes, and dont worry about oil. my comments, which are languishing, and most likey will die, in "awaiting moderation" limbo, go like this... does this mean that the PNAC/AEI/exxon people didnt have to do 9/11 in response to peak oil? 3000 american lives, countless lives elsewhere… wasted, because nobody saw shale oil coming. what a tragedy." and... http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1215/pnacprogress6272011.jpg this article is being discussed at theoildrum, despite attempts to derail it to a discussion of newt's moonbase scheme. "oh, man…
"here’s a map PNAC’s efforts in response to their misperceptions of peak oil.
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#211. To: bluegrass (#207)
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I never said that there wasn't. In fact, I said that there was. So what? THat doesn't mean that there is crude oil there. Please show where I said differently. Thank you. Please show that this "theory" is proven. Thank you. Please show where oil has been discovered on these planets. Thank you. Please show where one well has been dug and is producing oil in accordance with this "theory". Thank you. Please show how this even qualifies as a theory. THank you. The "thank you's" are fucking irritating, arent they? Perhaps I should just have said fuck you. -------------------------------------------------------- I think it's comical how many idiots are even here in the first place. They don't even know what a theory is. But they're scientists. Yep. They are real scientists. At least they play scientists on 4um. But don't ask them what a theory is. Do that and they're stumped. They can look it up on wiki, but comprehending the definition is another matter entirely. Especially when that definition is not to their liking. Damn! People are funny! If these "truth seekers" are the best we have, we are in huge trouble. I'm just glad that there are real smart people here. -------------------------------------------------------- Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation Please show that this "theory" is proven. Thank you. Please show where oil has been discovered on these planets. Thank you. Please show where one well has been dug and is producing oil in accordance with this "theory". Thank you. Please show how this even qualifies as a theory. THank you. The "thank you's" are fucking irritating, arent they? Perhaps I should just have said fuck you. -------------------------------------------------------- See OI? You dont need to be a scientist to copy/paste.
-------------------------------------------------------- I think it's comical how many idiots are even here in the first place. They don't even know what a theory is. But they're scientists. Yep. They are real scientists. At least they play scientists on 4um. But don't ask them what a theory is. Do that and they're stumped. They can look it up on wiki, but comprehending the definition is another matter entirely. Especially when that definition is not to their liking. Damn! People are funny! If these "truth seekers" are the best we have, we are in huge trouble. I'm just glad that there are real smart people here. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues. 4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength. 5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do. 6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up. A great labor saving device that. For example your cute widdle caw-ment. No point in re-inventing the wheel. Oh, I forgot you don't like big words. A wheel is a circle thing that rolls round and round. I'll say this. You are one persistent leg humper. You also add to the forum. You're a great teaching aid, to my fellow NSA CIA FBI students. Keep up the good work. Now we know that you have to get up pretty early in the morning to get anything past you. -------------------------------------------------------- I never said that you never said that there wasn't.
Good one. Thanks. Did you think that up all by's your liddle self? Let me make a note of that. You are just soooooooooooooo witty in a mind numbed way. Assuming of course that someone considers vomitus witty. why would the CFR want to confuse the peak oil issue? maybe because they figured out, within 30 seconds of that second plane hitting the towers, that this was the "new jpearl harbor" that their buddies in PNAC wanted? maybe it took them another 30 seconds to realize that PNAC staged 9/11. maybe it took them another 30 seconds figure out peak oil, and peak oil's role as motive for the 9/11... maybe it took them another nano-second and a half to figure out peak oil must be denied at all costs, lest people start connecting the dots.
Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation in the ten years since 9/11, we havent bothered anyone but countries with oil, or countries that are on strategic pipeline routes.
judging from the response to my posts at the CFR and energybulletin, it looks like people are catching on, despite the best efforts of the peak oil denial apparatus... the perps of 9/11 must have realized that people would connect the dots eventually... ...but the impending police tate will fix that problem, wont it? ...which is why the police state was waiting in the wings prior to 9/11.
People that try and "connect the dots" end up drawing some very strange pictures. I'd say that they did it only for maintaining stability. Panicky people are stupid people, even more stupid than usual. Tell them that we're running out of oil and you will have panic. On 9/11 I stopped in a small town in OK to fuel up, because no way would I make it to my next fuel stop. In that small town, Hooker OK with a population of 1900, cars were backed up about a mile, waiting. Inside, it was fucking chaos. If people are that screwed up in the head on that day, what are they going to do when it's the real deal? -------------------------------------------------------- after watching my neighbor's tv for a while, i got on my bike to do "man-in-the- street" interviews downtown. i decided to practice on a kid, maybe eight or ten years old, pushing his bike along the sidewalk... my first interview... i asked him, "what happened?" he says, "it's a jew thing." ...and hopped on his bike and rode off before i could ask him anything else. so you have to wonder how many people know what's going on, have known from the beginning, and are laying low. it wasnt that hard to figure out, seeing as how israel was getting the shit kicked out of it by the durban human rights conference. many of the potential political aftereffects of the conference were annulled by the September 11, 2001 attacks. The attacks took place just three days after the conference ended, entirely eclipsing it in the news, and significantly affecting international relations and politics.
Smart kid! I had a lot of time to think about this, regarding who knows and who "doesn't give a damn lets kill us some ayrabs!". Driving 11 hours a day with crap on the radio does give one time for reflection. I came to the conclusion that I/we don't know. You can ask but there is no guarantee that they will tell you what they really think. I've been at the same table with both types. I'll talk to one and say something about "9/11 bullshit" to get things started. One agreed, 2 look at me like I'm one of Ickes reptilians. On one hand we have the MSM bread and circuses, which gives the illusion that people are sheep, but on the other hand a lot of people know that the MSM is not telling us the truth. Watching the MSM can make one hopeless. But that is the illusion that they perpetrate, intentionally. And who controls the MSM? Who has the most to lose once the illusion is broken? The jews. -------------------------------------------------------- bottom line... israel is dependent on american protection, america is dependent on cheap oil, and oil production is peaking... so 9/11 was done to provide the excuse to grab oil.
Sure, it IS about oil and natural gas, but not for the reasons you claim. It is about TOTAL CONTROL of the world's energy. Current wells ARE still viable and more than likely being replensished via underground networks of oil, yet, countries such as Saudi Arabia have ramped down their production DELIBERATELY in order to drive up prices. So the fact remains, the global elite wish to control EVERY drop of oil on this planet, as he who controls the world's energy, controls the world itself. so there's no use worrying about a "new world order" or "one world government" because it's already in place... ...and they have so much control that impoverished nations in asia, africa and south america have to knuckle under... these poor countries cant produce their abiotic oil because this phantom government forbids it. good deal
Sure, it IS about oil and natural gas, but not for the reasons you claim. It is about TOTAL CONTROL of the world's energy. Current wells ARE still viable and more than likely being replensished via underground networks of oil, yet, countries such as Saudi Arabia have ramped down their production DELIBERATELY in order to drive up prices. So the fact remains, the global elite wish to control EVERY drop of oil on this planet, as he who controls the world's energy, controls the world itself. They already control the money supply and banking system. That was step 1. Then energy. The major media. Medicine. And via GMOs they are trying to corner and control the food supply. Gosh those are all control points. Interesting pattern that makes. But of course it is all pure coincidence that all of those sectors are controlled by the same small cabal via interlocking directorates. Why if you noticed those facts you'd be one a' them konspurcy theerists. As well I would note that not oil but level of education and modernization, with the exception of Pipelinestan, AND NOT HAVING A ROTHSCHILD CONTROLLED CENTRAL BANK are the real common threads between Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran. for example... north korea is awash in abiotic oil, but they cant produce that oil because the rothschilds forbid it.
south korea and japan are awash in abiotic oil, but they cant produce it because the rothschilds forbid it.
china is aswash in abiotic oil, which is why they're making oil deals all over the world... the fact that so much of our "war on terror" seems to be focussed on depriving china of acces to oil is simply more evidence that china is awash in abiotic oil.
Jawohl Herr Goebbels. Der Fuhrer vout be prout uff you. America is dependent upon Petroleum because every competing means has been shut down, bought up, or its inventor murdered. This is not about oil per se but about CONTROL. Israel is almost a Red Herring as Israel is a Rothschild fiefdom. The real force behind all of these actions lie in the Banking District of The City of London and the House of Rotchild. Oh, and oil production is NOT peaking. That is a disinformation line to divert attention from the fact that oil production is kept intentionally low in order to keep prices up and maintain control. You can repeat your disinformation lines all you want but bullshit is bullshit and it all smells the same. india, too, is awash in abiotic oil, but they're sort of playing along with the neocons... "sort of playing along with the neocons" because they're beings assholes by buying oil from iran when they have so much abiotic oil of their own.
Agreed. But what are you going to do about it? Because, I dont know what to do about it. Some people can live off grid now, but they are the exception. The majority won't put up with having to do that, until it's too late. People are waking up, but is it enough, or is it too little too late. Hell if I know. What are the PTB going to do when the wells dry up and it's too expensive, or outright impossible, to get more oil? The "elites" are just as shortsighted as the sheep are. I'm glad for that. But personally I think the elites will lose control long before that happens. THey're vicious but not too bright. The only question is, how many sheep will die in the process. And, how many of us will die. I think that the grids will be local, and not national. I dont know what the city folk will do. -------------------------------------------------------- brazil, being such a big country, has got to have trillions of barrels of abiotic oil, but they are drilling offhore, in thousands of feet of water and thousands more feet of salt rather than drill their abiotic oil... as per orders from the rothschild masters.
canada is one of the biggest countries in the world, they must have trillions of barrels of abiotic oil, too, but instead of producing that abiotic oil, they're making a trashheap of northern alberta to get oil from tar sands.
From what I understand, vast untapped sources of oil are beneath the crust, which are still beyond our current technology to access. Perhaps in the future a safe and effective means of drilling down into the upper mantle will be possible, but the technology isn't there yet. Russia has had some success locating geological areas where there are fissures in the crust allowing oil to pool from deep underground, and have recovered significant amounts from those expeditions. But to reach the source of the oil, one would have to penetrate much deeper into the earth than has ever been achieved. And BTW, just because oil might be abiotic in nature doesn't mean it's readily accessible from the crust. Where the crust is thin is where you'll find oil, such as in the Gulf of Mexico.
anyhow, i'm glad to see so many of you are so fervently defending the CFR's position on peak oil. it's just too bad that the CFR happens to be one othe institutions that is planning the new world order, and they are doing this by explaining how their "nuclear primacy" will work... first, we install defensive missiles at sites surrounding russia and china, then we do massive nuke first strikes on russia and china, and if any russian or chinese retaliatory missiles survive, they will likely be so few in number that our defensive misslile can pick off the survivors. another good deal.
Yes, and it became painfully obvious with the NATO attacks against Libya. I don't really care what the CFR "position" is on "peak oil", what I see is that "peak oil" is a lot of horse shit. Did you miss the article where Saudi Arabia is going to be ramping up production to offset the deficit in oil due to sanctions against Iran? Genetic research suggests that all humans came from a small (6000) population that had been nearly wiped out of genetic existence by various calamities, a random guess here something like 50,000 yo. saudi arabia is almost as famous for its oil production as it is for predictions that dont materialize.
there's no arguing with faith, those of you who have faith in unlimited oil have given us a demonstration. so i guess i'll sign off.
Yes, that really makes sense. suuuuure it does.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestMethane exists on Titan and in the atmospheres of the outer planets. It's already a known fact that hydrocarbons can be created in an abiotic environment.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#212. To: lead.and.lag (#209)
i got to admit it's pretty comical watching you guys defend the CFR's position on peak oil.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#213. To: PSUSA2, bluegrass (#211)
The "thank you's" are fucking irritating, arent they? Perhaps I should just have said fuck you.
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18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
#214. To: Original_Intent (#213)
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#215. To: All (#214)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#216. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, FormerLurker, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#212)
i got to admit it's pretty comical watching you guys defend the CFR's position on peak oil.
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#217. To: PSUSA2 (#215)
See OI? You dont need to be a scientist to copy/paste.
#218. To: Original_Intent (#217)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#219. To: PSUSA2 (#211)
I never said that there wasn't.
#220. To: James Deffenbach (#210)
BSUSATOO
#221. To: PSUSA2, All (#218)
I'll say this. You are one persistent leg humper.
#222. To: All (#0)
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#223. To: lead.and.lag, all (#222)
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
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#226. To: lead.and.lag (#222)
maybe it took them another nano-second and a half to figure out peak oil must be denied at all costs, lest people start connecting the dots.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#227. To: PSUSA2 (#226)
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In that small town, Hooker OK with a population of 1900, cars were backed up about a mile, waiting.
Two delegations, the United States and Israel, withdrew from the conference over objections to a draft document equating Zionism with racism. The final Declaration and Programme of Action did not contain the text that the U.S. and Israel had objected to, that text having been voted out by delegates in the days after the U.S. and Israel withdrew.
#228. To: lead.and.lag (#227)
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#229. To: All (#227)
#230. To: lead.and.lag, PSUSA2, All (#224)
in the ten years since 9/11, we havent bothered anyone but countries with oil, or countries that are on strategic pipeline routes.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#231. To: FormerLurker (#230)
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the global elite wish to control EVERY drop of oil on this planet, as he who controls the world's energy, controls the world itself.
#232. To: FormerLurker, All (#230)
in the ten years since 9/11, we havent bothered anyone but countries with oil, or countries that are on strategic pipeline routes.
#233. To: All (#231)
#234. To: All (#233)
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#236. To: lead.and.lag, All (#229)
israel is dependent on american protection, america is dependent on cheap oil, and oil production is peaking...
#237. To: All (#235)
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#238. To: FormerLurker (#230)
So the fact remains, the global elite wish to control EVERY drop of oil on this planet, as he who controls the world's energy, controls the world itself.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#239. To: All (#237)
#240. To: All (#239)
#241. To: lead.and.lag (#231)
these poor countries cant produce their abiotic oil because this phantom government forbids it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#242. To: lead.and.lag (#240)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#243. To: All (#240)
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#244. To: Original_Intent (#232)
NOT HAVING A ROTHSCHILD CONTROLLED CENTRAL BANK are the real common threads between Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#245. To: lead.and.lag (#243)
anyhow, i'm glad to see so many of you are so fervently defending the CFR's position on peak oil.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#246. To: PSUSA2 (#226)
On 9/11 I stopped in a small town in OK to fuel up, because no way would I make it to my next fuel stop. In that small town, Hooker OK with a population of 1900, cars were backed up about a mile, waiting. Inside, it was fucking chaos. If people are that screwed up in the head on that day, what are they going to do when it's the real deal?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#247. To: FormerLurker (#245)
Saudi Arabia is going to be ramping up production
#248. To: All (#247)
#249. To: lead.and.lag (#235)
the fact that so much of our "war on terror" seems to be focussed on depriving china of acces to oil is simply more evidence that china is awash in abiotic oil.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#250. To: tom007 (#249)
hat really makes sense
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