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Title: How Not To Argue That We’re Running Out Of Oil
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Council on Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2012/01/2 ... -that-were-running-out-of-oil/
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Michael Levi
Post Date: 2012-01-28 12:06:03 by lead.and.lag
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you can read this article here at the CFR site. the author, Michael Levi, is the David M. Rubenstein Senior Fellow for Energy and the Environment at the CFR, and his artticle is a mixture of disinformation, bad metaphors, and haywire logic. his argument, although it's kinda hard to pin down, seems to be: party on, dudes, and dont worry about oil. my comments, which are languishing, and most likey will die, in "awaiting moderation" limbo, go like this... does this mean that the PNAC/AEI/exxon people didnt have to do 9/11 in response to peak oil? 3000 american lives, countless lives elsewhere… wasted, because nobody saw shale oil coming. what a tragedy." and... http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1215/pnacprogress6272011.jpg this article is being discussed at theoildrum, despite attempts to derail it to a discussion of newt's moonbase scheme. "oh, man…
"here’s a map PNAC’s efforts in response to their misperceptions of peak oil.
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#6. To: BTP Holdings (#5)
which I buy 80 pounds of every week to heat iron and shape it into various implements. in fact I plan on burning at least 20 pounds of the stuff today. Ah, is forger are you? (I don't mean that in a bad way.) Good for you. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
We are not in the Middle East due to the oil. The oil is purely secondary and is important only in that excessive oil production lowers the profit margins of the major oil companies, and provides the income for Arab countries to modernize. No, the reason we are in the Middle East is to prevent Arab countries from modernizing. Pooooooooooooooor little Israel quakes in their boots at the mere though of an educated and organized Arab world. That is the reason Iraq and Libya were taken down as well as the current assaults on Syria and Iran (the Israeli destruction of Lebanese infrastructure is another). Israel sees its geopolitical and regional dominance at its height by keeping their neighbors mired in the 11th century of Muslim Fundamentalism. Iraq and Libya had a couple of things in common: They were pluralistic and granted full rights to women, and they were rapidly modernizing and spending their oil money on building up infrastructure and human capital i.e., education. Notice in post war Iraq and present day Iran the murder of intellectuals and the well educated - particularly scientists and engineers. And the most important point tying them together is that none of them had/have a ROTHSCHILD CONTROLLED Central Bank. Even worse Ghadaffi was working to create an African monetary union which would have disempowered Rothschild control through much of Africa. Trying to spin this as about "Oil" when oil is abundant and readily available is flat bullshit - it is misdirection and blowing smoke up people's asses. It is a classic disinformation technique - spin the available evidence toward a "plausible" but false alternative. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place. Example: 'The cargo door failed on Flight 800 and caused a catastrophic breakup which ruptured the fuel tank and caused it to explode.' Proper response: The best definitive example of avoiding issues by this technique is, perhaps, Arlan Specter's Magic Bullet from the Warren Report. This was eloquently defeated in court but media blindly accepted it without challenge. Thus rewarded, disinformationalists do not shrink from its application, even though today, thanks in part to the movie, JFK, most Americans do now understand it was fabricated nonsense. Thus the defense which works best may actually be to cite the Magic Bullet. 'You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your imaginative twisting of facts rivals that of Arlan Specter's Magic Bullet in the Warren Report. We all know why the impossible magic bullet was invented. You invent a cargo door problem when there has been not one shred of evidence from the crash investigation to support it, and in fact, actual photos of the cargo door hinges and locks disprove you. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 15 - fit facts to an alternate conclusion)?' 20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications. working on Viking era spear points today, and if time allows start work on the other two sword blanks I prepped a few days back.
I dont give 2 shits if you agree with me or not. Trying to spin this as about "Oil" when oil is abundant and readily available is flat bullshit - it is misdirection and blowing smoke up people's asses. It is a classic disinformation technique - spin the available evidence toward a "plausible" but false alternative. Even though I dont care what you think, I thought that was funny. I know it wasn't intentionally funny, and that makes it even more funny. having the kikes in 'israel' gives us a foothold in the ME, AND it also gives the kikes a lot of leverage in getting what they want. And that is all about oil. Unless, it's all about finding sand for the kids sandboxes. -------------------------------------------------------- Some of these loudmouth assholes are in so far over their heads it's laughable. Well done. That's 99th percentile in accuracy and delivery. Some Big Lies are tough to let go of, like - oil is a fossil fuel - LOL. Even my children said, Dad how deep do they have to drill for oil? Did the dinosaurs really live in Center Earth? And on, and on. LOL It was a good kids movie though.
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And this should concern me how? As usual you use your standard tactic of including inflammatory and offensive language - not that it really bothers me - something we both know at this point is something you do intentionally to create a repugnant aura on 4um. However, contrary to what you might think, please excuse the exaggeration, it offends me not in the least as it simply makes you look stupid and doubly so given that I run rings around you whenever I'm in the mood to hit the punching bag. Mostly you are amusing in your transparency. As for the laughable contention that the Middle East wars are about oil it is so ludicrous as to occasion only gales of laughter that you would still continue to use that spin line. Only the superficial and media programmed are likely to swallow that whopper. The planet is awash in oil and in fact we're floating on the stuff. Natural gas is so abundant that the price has been going down again as there is more supply than demand - much to the chagrin of the producers, and if we could ever get through the wall of suppression which holds back fusion and zero-point systems all of that excess becomes nearly worthless. No, there are a multitude of systems that make oil and gas as energy sources as outdated as steam - except the banksters and power seekers do not want to let it on to the market as we schmucks would become that much more independent of them and local industry would outstrip China-Mart within a couple of years. No, the wars in the Middle East are about several things but oil is very very low on the list - other than as a way to restrict energy supplies and control the Hoi Polloi. Hee, hee. Dinosaur Oil ranks right up there with the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and Santa the Surf. It amuses me greatly to see the various shills still trying to sell the line that Oil and Gas are the remnants of Dinosaur farts or whatever. There is no shortage of oil as there is more than enough supply to last several centuries even at increased rates of consumption. The only oil shortages are contrived shortages to jack up the price. One of the bigger giveaways was when the majors bought up all of the independent refining capacity, refused to build new refineries to meet the increased demand, and Geeeeeee Duhbya's maladminstration would NOT grant permits for the building of new independent refineries that would have increased supply and decreased the pump price on gas. As well is all of the suppressed technology for energy production. You'll see something pop up in the nooze every now and then and then it just disappears down the memory hole as though it never existed, and inventors have "accidents" or suddenly increased bank accounts and tight lips. You are on a roll today! lmfao! Only the superficial and media programmed are likely to swallow that whopper. The planet is awash in oil and in fact we're floating on the stuff. much to the chagrin of the producers, and if we could ever get through the wall of suppression which holds back fusion and zero-point systems So that is why researchers are working in these things. It's so they can keep them hidden. Damn you're stupid. But you try to sound so smart. -------------------------------------------------------- My Grandpa told me the same things you just said but many decades ago. Are we related? LOL Again, I applaud someone like you taking the time to print common sense and truth the way we all communicated a long long time ago.
Says the plant trying to Nigger Up 4um. You're very obvious. Probably somewhat intelligent, but still a stinky Hal Turner-like Feral Pig.
And you're on a Troll today. Summed up very nicely. We both know what the real reason for these wars are.... It's about total control and there are not that many independent nations left on this globe. But they are generally those of very strong religious beliefs that block out the crime syndicate from "buying them off" and creating a puppet regime. Having a religious belief that you should not charge usury makes them a huge target of the Rothchild syndicate for sure. Oil is very secondary in the game of global domination or should I say demon-ation. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
And you're on a Troll today. Thanks for the good belly laugh :) It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
If you were smart, you'd do what Jed Clampett did. You'd go out into the woods, and shoot a round somewhere. Then sell the oil, get a nice mansion with a "cee-ment' pond, and have some funny adventures. We're floating on oil, after all. You said so, so it must be true. -------------------------------------------------------- Are we related? LOL Again, I applaud someone like you taking the time to print common sense and truth the way we all communicated a long long time ago. Your Grandpa was a wise man and well ahead of his time in seeing through the Matrix. I thank you for the comparison. It does get interesting though - as more and more people begin to catch on. However, a lot of people are held back by the sheer scale of the machinations and duplicity - it is too big for them to envision the 10,000 ton elephant which has burst the room. What we have is a very small coterie of hyper-wealthy psychotics who are literally trying to engineer a hostile takeover of the planet. The Rothschilds set at the apex of the power pyramid with an estimated real wealth, carefully hidden and camouflaged, of around 50 Trillion dollars per some estimates, but they have flunkies only slightly lower who are high in the cabal. This has truly got to be one of the most insane planets in the universe. Yawn. You have worn out your amusement value. Since Jed appears to be your heeeroe you must be named Jethro. Pleased to meet you Mr. Bodine. You're the dumb fuck that said we are floating on oil. So, cash in on it. Either do that, or you don't even believe in your own bullshit. Nothing you have said disproves that our involvement in the ME is all about oil. If it wasn't for oil, we wouldn't be there. -------------------------------------------------------- not sure I get your meaning.
When I figuratively stand back and assess the nature of man, his history and the world today, I come to the same conclusion. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
You know you can repeat your disinformation lines from your script all you want but no one with any brains or awareness are buying. Oh, and yes I am smarter than you. Quite a bit actually. So, cash in on it. Either do that, or you don't even believe in your own bullshit. Nothing you have said disproves that our involvement in the ME is all about oil. If it wasn't for oil, we wouldn't be there. Aren't there some sort of rules in the handbook your handlers give you that cautions you not to be so overt in your tactics? It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
I mean if I had your skills I'd be stockpiling certain defensive weapons concepts. What you are making could have some incredible applications where I live.
I have an old book from my dad called "The Boy Mechanic". It shows how to build a crossbow with a leaf spring from an automobile. Depending on the thickness used, it can have up to 650 pounds of pull. Something like this might come in handy :) It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Most of the 'handy' people I knew growing up were farmers/farm kids. Ingenuity.
About all that oil we are "floating" on. how about that? See OI, I am on to you. I have been for some time now. You simply cannot tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. When that happens, you resort to calling them names. Not that I mind that. I'll get down in the mud with anyone, you silly cunt. But the post is in chronological order so anyone can figure it out. You know that link to disinfo you love to post? Anyone can go thru this thread and see who is posting the disinfo making silly claims. But you think you are smarter than I am. That, I find amusing, because you have a huge blind spot. You are too stupid to see that blind spot. But others can, because it's all in the open. If they can read and comprehend, they will see it. Now, how about all that oil that we are "floating" on. Where is it? -------------------------------------------------------- maybe we'll talk more as I'm in need of someone for a product evaluation.
Not at all. I'm just intolerant of people with no class. See, wasn't that simple? In the ground. Next question. Then drill. You could be a billionaire. You could be one of the elite! you make it sound so easy, so I guess it really is easy. Shit you really are an idiot. Its so much easier to believe in grand conspiracies. It doesn't matter how many are in on it, because they're all in on it. Right? Yeah, I'm right about you. -------------------------------------------------------- You would like to get under my skin and yet all you do is inevitably make yourself look like a fool. It is almost Shakespearean in proportion. How can it be all about oil when producing states are more than anxious to sell it as a source of much-needed income and also know that American exploration and drilling technology is the best in the world? Iran, for example would love to be selling oil but is constrained from doing so by crazy Jews forcing America to prevent sales through sanctions orchestrated by same crazy zios. In return for oil Iran could use refinery technologies, aircraft and other machine parts from US, an arrangement which would provide much needed jobs for Americans. The oil angle dates back to outdated thinking when everyone thought it should remain at $3/bl. Oil companies subsequently discovered they could become enormously richer with $50 and $100/bl oil with virtually no effect on automobile use.
Probably a rule that if you can't come up with a logical, intelligent, truthful reply then saturate the website with foul language, degrade it so that it's not appealing to readers/visitors who will then tend to avoid it. Just another form of subtle Jew censorship of things that are bad for Israel.
Probably a rule that if you can't come up with a logical, intelligent, truthful reply then saturate the website with foul language, degrade it so that it's not appealing to readers/visitors who will then tend to avoid it. Just another form of subtle Jew censorship of things that are bad for Israel. Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner Johnny! Tell him what he's won! An all expenses paid trip to club Zio - either the delightful Hotel Baghram or enticing Club Gitmo. Burma Shave. a couple things, here... first, america was built to accommodate the car, so even though mileage driven has been dropping, we're getting pretty close to minimum possible, given that cars are a necessity, at least the way things are set up now. then there's the cost of getting the crude... a new semisubmersible like the globwater horizontal or whatever might cost $500 million dollars, and the cost of operating it is horrific, seeing as how it might be drilling 200 miles offshore in 10,000 feet of water. ...this compared to the old wells that, when discovered, blew out tens of thousands of barrels a day, on dry land, with the convenience and consequent low expense that implies. then you've got the fact that we've apparently discovered all the huge fields like ghawar, cantarell, da qing, etc... compared to the big old giants, the new discoveries are dribs and drabs. then you got a production decline rate in the old fields, maybe 4-6% a year. then you got rising global competition for the remaining oil, as china industrializes to defend itself from israeli america, and india in its eternal paranoia about china, attempts to keep up by allying itself (temporarily?) with the neocons. what all this adds up to is flat global production of crude oil and condensate (the liquid stuff that comes out of the ground at the wellhead) since late 2004, despite horrendous increases in price and a doubling of drills working since 2001. so until production starts picking up, we have to assume that we've reached peak oil... at least temporarily... and judging from how hard people have been looking for oil since american production peaked in 1970, we're simply not gonna find replacements for those big old giants that have been producing so long, and it's likely that this is it, this is the peak. and that explains exxon's alliance with the AEI, which spawned PNAC, which admitted it needed a "new pearl harbor" to rally support for its project to achieve "benevolent global hegemony" by controlling energy supplies. and we all know by now, or should know, that the AEI is the american wing of the likud party of israel.
i got to say here that on the day of 9/11, after my neighbor pounded on my door, woke me up and dragged me over to his tv, i'd never heard of the American Enterprise Institute, or richard perle, or bill kristol, or steve emerson or mike ledeen or frank gaffney... but there they all were on fox and CNN, assigning blame to bin laden before the dust settled, with the little scroll under them... "american enterprise institute". we might have been able to make sense of the whole works right then, had the scroll said, "PNAC signatory" and "signed PNAC document stating PNAC's need for a new pearl harbor".
What else do arab countries have to export? Oil is it. The export market for sand, camels and those wrap around headdresses is a little depressed right now and does not look to get better anytime soon. -------------------------------------------------------- ...this compared to the old wells that, when discovered, blew out tens of thousands of barrels a day, on dry land, with the convenience and consequent low expense that implies. But it's a conspiracy! The Satanic Illuminati Bohemia Grove Inc is behind it! We're "floating" on oil. OI said so, so it must be true. (he is so smart). So to hell with offshore drilling. Just grab a shovel and start digging. There is no shortage of oil, just as there is no shortage of stupidity. -------------------------------------------------------- Who says there's a shortage of oil?
I would think that once gasoline is $5 - $10/gallon there will be much more car pooling; traffic reduced to a fraction of today's volumes, meaning it will move much more efficiently. "Hitchhikers" will cellphone locations and destination into computers of traveling cars whose computer will alert the driver of a "safe" pickup. An id-card then swiped to confirm driver identity as a safe pickup and the charge for gas which likely would be much less than the current bus fare. The small fraction of the population consisting of criminals and mentally unstable would not get any hitchhikers cards.
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the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#7. To: IRTorqued (#6)
which I buy 80 pounds of every week to heat iron and shape it into various implements. in fact I plan on burning at least 20 pounds of the stuff today.
#8. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#3)
If it wasn't for us being over in the ME in the fist place, due to the oil, israel would be screwed.
#9. To: BTP Holdings (#7)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#10. To: Original_Intent (#8)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#11. To: Original_Intent (#8)
#12. To: IRTorqued (#9)
#13. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, christine, TwentyTwelve, cornhuskerkid, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach, HighLairEon, wudidiz, intotheabyss, abraxas, lead.and.lag, Phant2000, all (#10)
I dont give 2 shits if you agree with me or not.
#14. To: Cornhuskerkid (#11)
Some Big Lies are tough to let go of, like - oil is a fossil fuel - LOL. Even my children said, Dad how deep do they have to drill for oil? Did the dinosaurs really live in Center Earth? And on, and on. LOL It was a good kids movie though.
#15. To: Original_Intent (#13)
it offends me not in the least as it simply makes you look stupid and doubly so given that I run rings around you whenever I'm in the mood to hit the punching bag.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#16. To: Original_Intent (#14)
#17. To: PSUSA2 (#15)
Damn you're stupid. But you try to sound so smart.
#18. To: PSUSA2 (#15)
You are on a roll today! lmfao!
#19. To: Original_Intent (#8)
And the most important point tying them together is that none of them had/have a ROTHSCHILD CONTROLLED Central Bank. Even worse Ghadaffi was working to create an African monetary union which would have disempowered Rothschild control through much of Africa.
#20. To: Original_Intent (#18)
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You are on a roll today! lmfao!
#21. To: Original_Intent (#18)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#22. To: Cornhuskerkid (#16)
My Grandpa told me the same things you just said but many decades ago.
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... anything you can imagine we already know how to do." ~ Ben Rich, Lockheed Skunk Works chief (via Jim Goodall)
"For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli
#23. To: PSUSA2 (#21)
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#24. To: Original_Intent (#23)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#25. To: Cornhuskerkid (#12)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#26. To: Original_Intent (#22)
This has truly got to be one of the most insane planets in the universe.
#27. To: PSUSA2 (#24)
#28. To: PSUSA2 (#24)
To: Original_Intent You're the dumb fuck that said we are floating on oil.
#29. To: IRTorqued (#25)
#30. To: Cornhuskerkid (#29)
What you are making could have some incredible applications where I live.
#31. To: intotheabyss (#30)
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#32. To: Original_Intent (#27)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#33. To: Cornhuskerkid (#29)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#34. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
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See OI, I am on to you. I have been for some time now. You simply cannot tolerate anyone that disagrees with you.
Now, how about all that oil that we are "floating" on. Where is it?
#35. To: Original_Intent (#34)
In the ground.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#36. To: PSUSA2 (#35)
#37. To: PSUSA2 (#10)
And that is all about oil
#38. To: intotheabyss (#28)
Aren't there some sort of rules in the handbook your handlers give you that cautions you not to be so overt in your tactics?
#39. To: Tatarewicz, intotheabyss (#38)
Aren't there some sort of rules in the handbook your handlers give you that cautions you not to be so overt in your tactics?
#40. To: Tatarewicz (#37)
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#41. To: All (#40)
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#42. To: Tatarewicz, 4um (#37)
How can it be all about oil when producing states are more than anxious to sell it as a source of much-needed income and also know that American exploration and drilling technology is the best in the world?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#43. To: lead.and.lag (#40)
then there's the cost of getting the crude... a new semisubmersible like the globwater horizontal or whatever might cost $500 million dollars, and the cost of operating it is horrific, seeing as how it might be drilling 200 miles offshore in 10,000 feet of water.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#44. To: PSUSA2 (#43)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#45. To: lead.and.lag (#40)
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