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Title: How Not To Argue That We’re Running Out Of Oil
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Council on Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2012/01/2 ... -that-were-running-out-of-oil/
Published: Jan 28, 2012
Author: Michael Levi
Post Date: 2012-01-28 12:06:03 by lead.and.lag
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you can read this article here at the CFR site. the author, Michael Levi, is the David M. Rubenstein Senior Fellow for Energy and the Environment at the CFR, and his artticle is a mixture of disinformation, bad metaphors, and haywire logic. his argument, although it's kinda hard to pin down, seems to be: party on, dudes, and dont worry about oil. my comments, which are languishing, and most likey will die, in "awaiting moderation" limbo, go like this... does this mean that the PNAC/AEI/exxon people didnt have to do 9/11 in response to peak oil? 3000 american lives, countless lives elsewhere… wasted, because nobody saw shale oil coming. what a tragedy." and... http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1215/pnacprogress6272011.jpg this article is being discussed at theoildrum, despite attempts to derail it to a discussion of newt's moonbase scheme. "oh, man…
"here’s a map PNAC’s efforts in response to their misperceptions of peak oil.
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#22. To: Cornhuskerkid (#16)
Are we related? LOL Again, I applaud someone like you taking the time to print common sense and truth the way we all communicated a long long time ago. Your Grandpa was a wise man and well ahead of his time in seeing through the Matrix. I thank you for the comparison. It does get interesting though - as more and more people begin to catch on. However, a lot of people are held back by the sheer scale of the machinations and duplicity - it is too big for them to envision the 10,000 ton elephant which has burst the room. What we have is a very small coterie of hyper-wealthy psychotics who are literally trying to engineer a hostile takeover of the planet. The Rothschilds set at the apex of the power pyramid with an estimated real wealth, carefully hidden and camouflaged, of around 50 Trillion dollars per some estimates, but they have flunkies only slightly lower who are high in the cabal. This has truly got to be one of the most insane planets in the universe. Yawn. You have worn out your amusement value. Since Jed appears to be your heeeroe you must be named Jethro. Pleased to meet you Mr. Bodine. You're the dumb fuck that said we are floating on oil. So, cash in on it. Either do that, or you don't even believe in your own bullshit. Nothing you have said disproves that our involvement in the ME is all about oil. If it wasn't for oil, we wouldn't be there. -------------------------------------------------------- not sure I get your meaning.
When I figuratively stand back and assess the nature of man, his history and the world today, I come to the same conclusion. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
You know you can repeat your disinformation lines from your script all you want but no one with any brains or awareness are buying. Oh, and yes I am smarter than you. Quite a bit actually. So, cash in on it. Either do that, or you don't even believe in your own bullshit. Nothing you have said disproves that our involvement in the ME is all about oil. If it wasn't for oil, we wouldn't be there. Aren't there some sort of rules in the handbook your handlers give you that cautions you not to be so overt in your tactics? It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
I mean if I had your skills I'd be stockpiling certain defensive weapons concepts. What you are making could have some incredible applications where I live.
I have an old book from my dad called "The Boy Mechanic". It shows how to build a crossbow with a leaf spring from an automobile. Depending on the thickness used, it can have up to 650 pounds of pull. Something like this might come in handy :) It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Most of the 'handy' people I knew growing up were farmers/farm kids. Ingenuity.
About all that oil we are "floating" on. how about that? See OI, I am on to you. I have been for some time now. You simply cannot tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. When that happens, you resort to calling them names. Not that I mind that. I'll get down in the mud with anyone, you silly cunt. But the post is in chronological order so anyone can figure it out. You know that link to disinfo you love to post? Anyone can go thru this thread and see who is posting the disinfo making silly claims. But you think you are smarter than I am. That, I find amusing, because you have a huge blind spot. You are too stupid to see that blind spot. But others can, because it's all in the open. If they can read and comprehend, they will see it. Now, how about all that oil that we are "floating" on. Where is it? -------------------------------------------------------- maybe we'll talk more as I'm in need of someone for a product evaluation.
Not at all. I'm just intolerant of people with no class. See, wasn't that simple? In the ground. Next question. Then drill. You could be a billionaire. You could be one of the elite! you make it sound so easy, so I guess it really is easy. Shit you really are an idiot. Its so much easier to believe in grand conspiracies. It doesn't matter how many are in on it, because they're all in on it. Right? Yeah, I'm right about you. -------------------------------------------------------- You would like to get under my skin and yet all you do is inevitably make yourself look like a fool. It is almost Shakespearean in proportion. How can it be all about oil when producing states are more than anxious to sell it as a source of much-needed income and also know that American exploration and drilling technology is the best in the world? Iran, for example would love to be selling oil but is constrained from doing so by crazy Jews forcing America to prevent sales through sanctions orchestrated by same crazy zios. In return for oil Iran could use refinery technologies, aircraft and other machine parts from US, an arrangement which would provide much needed jobs for Americans. The oil angle dates back to outdated thinking when everyone thought it should remain at $3/bl. Oil companies subsequently discovered they could become enormously richer with $50 and $100/bl oil with virtually no effect on automobile use.
Probably a rule that if you can't come up with a logical, intelligent, truthful reply then saturate the website with foul language, degrade it so that it's not appealing to readers/visitors who will then tend to avoid it. Just another form of subtle Jew censorship of things that are bad for Israel.
Probably a rule that if you can't come up with a logical, intelligent, truthful reply then saturate the website with foul language, degrade it so that it's not appealing to readers/visitors who will then tend to avoid it. Just another form of subtle Jew censorship of things that are bad for Israel. Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner Johnny! Tell him what he's won! An all expenses paid trip to club Zio - either the delightful Hotel Baghram or enticing Club Gitmo. Burma Shave. a couple things, here... first, america was built to accommodate the car, so even though mileage driven has been dropping, we're getting pretty close to minimum possible, given that cars are a necessity, at least the way things are set up now. then there's the cost of getting the crude... a new semisubmersible like the globwater horizontal or whatever might cost $500 million dollars, and the cost of operating it is horrific, seeing as how it might be drilling 200 miles offshore in 10,000 feet of water. ...this compared to the old wells that, when discovered, blew out tens of thousands of barrels a day, on dry land, with the convenience and consequent low expense that implies. then you've got the fact that we've apparently discovered all the huge fields like ghawar, cantarell, da qing, etc... compared to the big old giants, the new discoveries are dribs and drabs. then you got a production decline rate in the old fields, maybe 4-6% a year. then you got rising global competition for the remaining oil, as china industrializes to defend itself from israeli america, and india in its eternal paranoia about china, attempts to keep up by allying itself (temporarily?) with the neocons. what all this adds up to is flat global production of crude oil and condensate (the liquid stuff that comes out of the ground at the wellhead) since late 2004, despite horrendous increases in price and a doubling of drills working since 2001. so until production starts picking up, we have to assume that we've reached peak oil... at least temporarily... and judging from how hard people have been looking for oil since american production peaked in 1970, we're simply not gonna find replacements for those big old giants that have been producing so long, and it's likely that this is it, this is the peak. and that explains exxon's alliance with the AEI, which spawned PNAC, which admitted it needed a "new pearl harbor" to rally support for its project to achieve "benevolent global hegemony" by controlling energy supplies. and we all know by now, or should know, that the AEI is the american wing of the likud party of israel.
i got to say here that on the day of 9/11, after my neighbor pounded on my door, woke me up and dragged me over to his tv, i'd never heard of the American Enterprise Institute, or richard perle, or bill kristol, or steve emerson or mike ledeen or frank gaffney... but there they all were on fox and CNN, assigning blame to bin laden before the dust settled, with the little scroll under them... "american enterprise institute". we might have been able to make sense of the whole works right then, had the scroll said, "PNAC signatory" and "signed PNAC document stating PNAC's need for a new pearl harbor".
What else do arab countries have to export? Oil is it. The export market for sand, camels and those wrap around headdresses is a little depressed right now and does not look to get better anytime soon. -------------------------------------------------------- ...this compared to the old wells that, when discovered, blew out tens of thousands of barrels a day, on dry land, with the convenience and consequent low expense that implies. But it's a conspiracy! The Satanic Illuminati Bohemia Grove Inc is behind it! We're "floating" on oil. OI said so, so it must be true. (he is so smart). So to hell with offshore drilling. Just grab a shovel and start digging. There is no shortage of oil, just as there is no shortage of stupidity. -------------------------------------------------------- Who says there's a shortage of oil?
I would think that once gasoline is $5 - $10/gallon there will be much more car pooling; traffic reduced to a fraction of today's volumes, meaning it will move much more efficiently. "Hitchhikers" will cellphone locations and destination into computers of traveling cars whose computer will alert the driver of a "safe" pickup. An id-card then swiped to confirm driver identity as a safe pickup and the charge for gas which likely would be much less than the current bus fare. The small fraction of the population consisting of criminals and mentally unstable would not get any hitchhikers cards.
Would you go to the expense and trouble of offshore drilling if you didn't have to? How about shale deposits? I'm no expert by any means, but I know this is not an efficient way to get oil. THey are starting to grasp at straws. Before long, they will be fighting over those straws. Or perhaps that is what they are fighting over now. I think that is more likely. What else are we doing over there? What's the mission? Tell me, because fuck if I know. -------------------------------------------------------- Bringing them democracy and a happy fun new banking system? How about shale deposits? I'm no expert by any means, but I know this is not an efficient way to get oil. Good points. I don't really know the answers and could look for them but don't really care at this moment. Thing is I don't believe what "they" say, so if they say there's a shortage of oil I'm inclined to disbelieve them. Also, it doesn't make sense that oil is made of fossils. I seriously doubt there were that many dead creatures to make that much oil. The theory of abiotic oil seems far more likely. It provides support to the illusion that oil is scarce, and provides justification for higher prices. People assume, wrongly, that the operations are solely and only for money. The Alpha Psychotics have more money than they could ever spend rationally. What they are interested in is power and total control. The theory I am aware of is that oil is made of plant material, not animal tissue. But I understand why you don't believe "them", and I agree. That is what happens when you cry wolf. -------------------------------------------------------- I see it like a monopoly game. They want hotels on everything. And yeah, the money's worthless :)
People assume, wrongly, that the operations are solely and only for money. The Alpha Psychotics have more money than they could ever spend rationally. What they are interested in is power and total control. Illusion? LOL! Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. Everyone is in on it. And WTF is an "alpha psychotic"? You just made that term up. Trying to sound smart again, I see. You fail, again. But it would make a great band name. -------------------------------------------------------- Coal is a fossil fuel, right? I've seen coal that was shaped like tree trunks, but not something that was animal shaped. But to me it is the quantities involved. There is more plant material than animal material. -------------------------------------------------------- It is and everyone is in on it. At least everyone that agrees with them. Knowingly or not. To not suspect it at least is to be naive and gullible. Take vaccines for instance. They don't work and they're dangerous, yet every year if not a few times a year, we are fed the story, as we have been from birth, that there are dangerous diseases they must save us from. Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. It is. How many people have polio now? I knew one person that had polio, about 40 years ago. How about now? I can't think of anyone. But that doesn't mean all vaccines are 100% effective, any more than it means all vaccines are poisonous based on the cases we all hear about where people get sick and/or die. If there is a 100% safe medical procedure, I don't know what it is. -------------------------------------------------------- I knew one person that had polio, about 40 years ago. How about now? I can't think if anyone. But that doesn't mean all vaccines are 100% effective, anymore than it means all vaccines are poisonous based on the cases we all hear about where people get sick and/or die. If there is a 100% safe medical procedure, I don't know what it is. Actually public health measures such as sanitation and quarantine had much more to do with it. The virus died out not so much because of the vaccine but that the methods of transmission became better understood and the people who contracted the disease were quarantined until it was no longer transmissible. You simply betray your own ignorance, or the requirements of your talking points manual, by shooting off with incomplete and/or inaccurate assumptions. Cholera once swept England in massive epidemics, but it was stamped out in the 19th century, long before vaccines were developed, because of public sanitation measures i.e., the London sewer system. Oh, and the correlation between contaminated water supplies and cholera was not discovered by MDs it was discovered and isolated by Insurance Actuaries who were trying to determine where the high risk areas were so that they could charge appropriate premiums. "alpha psychotic". lol "alpha psychotic" "alpha psychotic" Then there's smallpox. Tetanus. And more. But I know that in your world, it's all not just one huge conspiracy, it's many huge conspiracies. Everyone is against you, in your own little world. They are all out to get you. That person you pass on the street? He's looking for a way to kill you. And that person on the other side of the street, window shopping, is really looking at you. Because he knows that You Are Onto Them and You Must Go. -------------------------------------------------------- "Conspiracy Theory" now means any explanation, or even a fact, that is out of step with the government’s explanation and that of its media pimps.. "No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine."--William Blum***** "Whenever I hear the words "conspiracy theory" it usually means someone is getting too close to the truth."----- former CIA employee, Michael Hasty. ***** "Definition---Conspiracy Theory: any conclusion in the context of any topic that 60 Minutes doesn't want mentioned, discussed, or researched."--J Orlin Grabbe ***** "The problem with the conspiracy theory label is that it is overly broad in its condemnation of speculation about political intrigue. The label provides no basis for distinguishing groundless smears from reasonable suspicions warranting investigation. History has shown all too clearly that public trust in high officials is sometimes misplaced." Lance deHaven-Smith. "Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government." American Behavioral Scientist (February 2010) During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
History has shown all too clearly that public trust in high officials is sometimes misplaced." This is all true. There are 'conspiracy theories' that have been proven true. Then there are the BS theories. Unfortunately, they all get lumped together. To the CT true believer, you either believe all of them, or none of them. To question them is to be an "agent". --------------------------------------------------------
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestMy Grandpa told me the same things you just said but many decades ago.
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” - J. Edgar Hoover
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... anything you can imagine we already know how to do." ~ Ben Rich, Lockheed Skunk Works chief (via Jim Goodall)
"For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disraeli
#23. To: PSUSA2 (#21)
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#24. To: Original_Intent (#23)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#25. To: Cornhuskerkid (#12)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#26. To: Original_Intent (#22)
This has truly got to be one of the most insane planets in the universe.
#27. To: PSUSA2 (#24)
#28. To: PSUSA2 (#24)
To: Original_Intent You're the dumb fuck that said we are floating on oil.
#29. To: IRTorqued (#25)
#30. To: Cornhuskerkid (#29)
What you are making could have some incredible applications where I live.
#31. To: intotheabyss (#30)
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#32. To: Original_Intent (#27)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#33. To: Cornhuskerkid (#29)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#34. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
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See OI, I am on to you. I have been for some time now. You simply cannot tolerate anyone that disagrees with you.
Now, how about all that oil that we are "floating" on. Where is it?
#35. To: Original_Intent (#34)
In the ground.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#36. To: PSUSA2 (#35)
#37. To: PSUSA2 (#10)
And that is all about oil
#38. To: intotheabyss (#28)
Aren't there some sort of rules in the handbook your handlers give you that cautions you not to be so overt in your tactics?
#39. To: Tatarewicz, intotheabyss (#38)
Aren't there some sort of rules in the handbook your handlers give you that cautions you not to be so overt in your tactics?
#40. To: Tatarewicz (#37)
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#41. To: All (#40)
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#42. To: Tatarewicz, 4um (#37)
How can it be all about oil when producing states are more than anxious to sell it as a source of much-needed income and also know that American exploration and drilling technology is the best in the world?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#43. To: lead.and.lag (#40)
then there's the cost of getting the crude... a new semisubmersible like the globwater horizontal or whatever might cost $500 million dollars, and the cost of operating it is horrific, seeing as how it might be drilling 200 miles offshore in 10,000 feet of water.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#44. To: PSUSA2 (#43)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#45. To: lead.and.lag (#40)
#46. To: wudidiz (#44)
Who says there's a shortage of oil?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#47. To: PSUSA2 (#46)
What else are we doing over there?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#48. To: PSUSA2 (#46)
Would you go to the expense and trouble of offshore drilling if you didn't have to?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#49. To: All (#48)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#50. To: wudidiz (#48)
Would you go to the expense and trouble of offshore drilling if you didn't have to?
#51. To: wudidiz (#48)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#52. To: Original_Intent (#50)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#53. To: Original_Intent (#50)
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It provides support to the illusion that oil is scarce, and provides justification for higher prices.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#54. To: PSUSA2 (#51)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#55. To: wudidiz (#54)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#56. To: PSUSA2, Original_Intent (#53)
Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. Everyone is in on it.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#57. To: wudidiz (#56)
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#58. To: PSUSA2, wudidiz (#57)
How many people have polio now?
#59. To: Original_Intent (#58)
You simply betray your own ignorance, or the requirements of your talking points manual, by shooting off with incomplete and/or inaccurate assumptions.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#60. To: PSUSA2 (#53)
Illusion? LOL! Yeah, it's all a huge conspiracy. Everyone is in on it.
#61. To: Bill D Berger (#60)
"The problem with the conspiracy theory label is that it is overly broad in its condemnation of speculation about political intrigue. The label provides no basis for distinguishing groundless smears from reasonable suspicions warranting investigation.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
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