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Title: The American People WAKE UP after the Library of Congress proves Obama NOT to be a US Citizen.
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Published: Feb 2, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-02-02 14:09:20 by James Deffenbach
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I suspect that Shoonra is some sort of gov disintel operative, as I have never observed that person ever make a substantive argument backed up by facts. Just a bomb thrower.

... If a man has nothing that he is willing to die for, then he has nothing worth living for....

Give Me Liberty  posted on  2012-02-02   20:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suspect that Shoonra is some sort of gov disintel operative, as I have never observed that person ever make a substantive argument backed up by facts. Just a bomb thrower.

Yeah, I think you are right. Here to give the "prObama spin." But most of the folks on here don't seem to be pickin' up what he's puttin' down if you know what I mean.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-02   20:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have worked in the law library of the Library of Congress and so I have a somewhat different take on the claim (never justified in your video) that the Library "proves" some legal issue.

The Library of Congress' Congressional Research Service has, in fact, issued a study paper on this very topic and it suggests very different conclusions from your video:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

Most significantly, the use of a term ("natural-born citizen") written in 1787 is not interpreted solely on the expressions of a bunch of politicians some 80 years later.

One of the first judicial interpretations was well before the Civil War, in the NY case of Lynch v. Clarke (NY Chancery Ct., Nov. 5, 1844) 1 Sandf.Ch. 583, 3 NY Leg.Obs. 236, 1844 WL 4808, in which the court even quoted the Constitutional provision about the President needing to be "a natural-born citizen" and held that the expression applied to the child, born here to two British tourists, who shortly thereafter took the child with them back to England. The court held that the child was a natural-born US citizen notwithstanding that neither parent was a citizen. This decision was cited as precedent by the US Supreme Court in its decision in US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) 196 US 649, 42 L.Ed. 890, 18 S.Ct 456, which held that a child born here to two Chinese workers (who were prevented by federal law from becoming US citizens) was himself a native-born US citizen.

The Lynch decision was also cited as precedent in the Circuit Court decision of In re Look Tin Sing (9th Cir., 1884) 21 Fed 905, 10 Sawyer's Ninth Cir Repts 353, which held, similarly, that the child born here to two Chinese was, himself, a "natural-born citizen" of the US so that he could depart for China, spend many years there, and still be entitled to return to the US as a natural- born citizen. And the 9th Circuit used the term "natural-born citizen" to describe the child in the Lynch case.

And, of course, the birthers have to explain away Chester A. Arthur, 21st President (1881-1885), who was born in Vermont to an American mother and a British father.

While, as far as anyone can find, there is no court case dealing explicitly with a President or candidate for President whose character as a "natural-born citizen" was in dispute because he was born here with at least one parent a non- citizen -- and the term "natural-born citizen" appears almost nowhere else but as that qualification for President -- there are enough cases that indicate that the term means the same as "native-born citizen" and applies to a child born here regardless of the citizenship status of either or both parents.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-02   20:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It would seem that all you lawyers have conflicting ideas about what a natural born Citizen is but it seemed clear from the video that the founders idea of it was a child born to two people both of whom were citizens ("parents," not parent). But then you lawyers often argue that up is down and black is white if it furthers some nefarious goal or adds something to your bottom line.

Jonathan Swift had you lawyer types figured out BUT GOOD (as the Toddler would say).

"...There was another point, which a little perplexed him at present. I had informed him, that some of our crew left their country on account of being ruined by law; that I had already explained the meaning of the word; but he was at a loss how it should come to pass, that the law, which was intended for every man's preservation, should be any man's ruin. Therefore he desired to be further satisfied what I meant by law, and the dispensers thereof, according to the present practice in my own country; because he thought nature and reason were sufficient guides for a reasonable animal, as we pretended to be, in showing us what he ought to do, and what to avoid."

I assured his honour, "that the law was a science in which I had not much conversed, further than by employing advocates, in vain, upon some injustices that had been done me: however, I would give him all the satisfaction I was able."

I said, "there was a society of men among us, bred up from their youth in the art of proving, by words multiplied for the purpose, that white is black, and black is white, according as they are paid. To this society all the rest of the people are slaves. For example, if my neighbour has a mind to my cow, he has a lawyer to prove that he ought to have my cow from me. I must then hire another to defend my right, it being against all rules of law that any man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now, in this case, I, who am the right owner, lie under two great disadvantages: first, my lawyer, being practised almost from his cradle in defending falsehood, is quite out of his element when he would be an advocate for justice, which is an unnatural office he always attempts with great awkwardness, if not with ill-will. The second disadvantage is, that my lawyer must proceed with great caution, or else he will be reprimanded by the judges, and abhorred by his brethren, as one that would lessen the practice of the law. And therefore I have but two methods to preserve my cow. The first is, to gain over my adversary's lawyer with a double fee, who will then betray his client by insinuating that he hath justice on his side. The second way is for my lawyer to make my cause appear as unjust as he can, by allowing the cow to belong to my adversary: and this, if it be skilfully done, will certainly bespeak the favour of the bench. Now your honour is to know, that these judges are persons appointed to decide all controversies of property, as well as for the trial of criminals, and picked out from the most dexterous lawyers, who are grown old or lazy; and having been biassed all their lives against truth and equity, lie under such a fatal necessity of favouring fraud, perjury, and oppression, that I have known some of them refuse a large bribe from the side where justice lay, rather than injure the faculty, by doing any thing unbecoming their nature or their office.

"It is a maxim among these lawyers that whatever has been done before, may legally be done again: and therefore they take special care to record all the decisions formerly made against common justice, and the general reason of mankind. These, under the name of precedents, they produce as authorities to justify the most iniquitous opinions; and the judges never fail of directing accordingly.

"In pleading, they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the cause; but are loud, violent, and tedious, in dwelling upon all circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case already mentioned; they never desire to know what claim or title my adversary has to my cow; but whether the said cow were red or black; her horns long or short; whether the field I graze her in be round or square; whether she was milked at home or abroad; what diseases she is subject to, and the like; after which they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years, come to an issue.

"It is likewise to be observed, that this society has a peculiar cant and jargon of their own, that no other mortal can understand, and wherein all their laws are written, which they take special care to multiply; whereby they have wholly confounded the very essence of truth and falsehood, of right and wrong; so that it will take thirty years to decide, whether the field left me by my ancestors for six generations belongs to me, or to a stranger three hundred miles off.

"In the trial of persons accused for crimes against the state, the method is much more short and commendable: the judge first sends to sound the disposition of those in power, after which he can easily hang or save a criminal, strictly preserving all due forms of law."

Here my master interposing, said, "it was a pity, that creatures endowed with such prodigious abilities of mind, as these lawyers, by the description I gave of them, must certainly be, were not rather encouraged to be instructors of others in wisdom and knowledge." In answer to which I assured his honour, "that in all points out of their own trade, they were usually the most ignorant and stupid generation among us, the most despicable in common conversation, avowed enemies to all knowledge and learning, and equally disposed to pervert the general reason of mankind in every other subject of discourse as in that of their own profession."

Gullivers Travels, Chapter 32

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-02   21:42:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think just about everyone else who posts here knows Obama is not eligible to be president.

Actually, I am pretty sure he is eligible.

It is my theory that if any of the berfer nonsense were plausible......

Hilary Clinton would have used it 4 years ago.

And she would be president today.

It's that simple.

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-02   21:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well then I guess I can say that there are at least two people on here--you and Shoonra--who have been befuddled and bamboozled by the Kenyan. Kenyans are not eligible to be president of the US. His grandmother said he was born in Kenya, his heffalump that he calls a wife says he was born in Kenya and the Kenyan ambassador admitted he (Obama) was born in Kenya. All on youtube and been posted here numerous times.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-02   22:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hilary Clinton would have used it 4 years ago.

Puppets for the elite don't bring up issues like that. They have to argue about shallow things to give the appearance of a choice.

It really is that simple.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-02   22:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have worked in the law library of the Library of Congress

doing what, making sure the 2^nd floor pissers were stocked with urinal cakes?

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-02-02   22:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

or maybe she was told to keep her mouth shut lest she take a nap on the train tracks that pass through Mena.

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-02-02   22:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, his grandmother kept saying, thru the interpreter, that Pres. Obama "was born in America."

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-02   23:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, his grandmother kept saying, thru the interpreter, that Pres. Obama "was born in America."

uh huh.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   0:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

doing what, making sure the 2nd floor pissers were stocked with urinal cakes?

LOL! That would leave a mark on sentient beings.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   0:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think you are confusing another grandchild with the grandmother. Some stooge grandchild was in the background arguing with her about where Obama was born. Now who would be in a better position to know where he was born? His grandmother or another grandson who probably hadn't even been born when Obama was?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   0:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The first heffalump speaks out to members of the "LGBT community" and admits that Obama's "home country" is Kenya.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   0:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think just about everyone else who posts here knows Obama is not eligible to be president.

Actually, I am pretty sure he is eligible.

It is my theory that if any of the berfer nonsense were plausible......

Hilary Clinton would have used it 4 years ago.

And she would be president today.

It's that simple.

No, it is not that simple. Hitlery is just as owned by the Bankster elite as Oh'bummer. Hitlery does as she is told or she suffers the "consequences" her masters dictate.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-03   0:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Except for this:

www.factcheck.org/2011/04/donald-youre-fired/

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-03   0:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

factcheck? Really? Really? LOL! No one there would have any vested interest in lying for Obama would they? Nah, of course not.

Obama's Lost Annenberg Years Coming to Light

Annenberg. factcheck. Same outfit.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   1:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who Is Barack Obama? Who is Barry Soetoro? Why is there no Birth Certificate? Birthers are right! 1 1/2 mins.

Uploaded by RockTheFacts on Aug 6, 2009

Why don't we have answers to any of these questions? If you are going to post a rebuttal - answer the question - WHY?? And don't give me the line that I have no right to see these documents. As a member of this representative republic, I have the right and the responsibility to ask these questions. And SO DO YOU!

Where Were You Born? 3 1/2 Country-style Music Video

Uploaded by Lisamei62 on Aug 6, 2009

© 2009 Chris Miller (Music Arrangement by BigDawg)...

The very talented Singer/Songwriter/Author Chris Miller was kind enough to allow us to do this countrified version of his most excellent tribute to all you "BIRTHERS" out there!

Its's simple really...all I want to know is why all the secrecy for such a "TRANSPARENT" President? I had to undergo intense background investigations, polygraphs, etc...to get my job...shouldn't the POTUS have to do the same?

Obama ADMITS Born in Kenya!!! [?] 21 secs.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-03   4:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hitlery is just as owned by the Bankster elite as Oh'bummer.

Oh, ok then.

So if the "bankster elite" have the power to install whomever they choose as president....that makes the whole berfer "movement" an exercise in pointlessness....as is the entire election charade.

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-03   5:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Its's simple really...all I want to know is why all the secrecy for such a "TRANSPARENT" President? I had to undergo intense background investigations, polygraphs, etc...to get my job...shouldn't the POTUS have to do the same?

Great videos. And a good point about how most of us have to show documents to do just about anything. But apparently Kenyans don't have to do all that.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   9:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hitlery is just as owned by the Bankster elite as Oh'bummer.

Oh, ok then.

So if the "bankster elite" have the power to install whomever they choose as president....that makes the whole berfer "movement" an exercise in pointlessness....as is the entire election charade.

No, that does not follow at all. What it does suggest is that the first step to real reform is to first recognize there is a problem, and identify the correct "why" of the problem. The correct "why" opens the door to a handling.

So, I take it that it does not matter to you that the occupant of the Offal Office is a Felon?

If so, they you are part of the problem.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-03   14:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Besides the fact that the Library of Congress has not taken the birfers' side, the Georgia judge has not waited but has decided in Obama's favor.

www.scribd.com/doc/804176...son-Powell-v-Obama-Judge- Malihi-Final-Decision-Georgia-Ballot-Challenge-2-3-2012

Looks like my side wins.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-04   0:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Looks like my side wins.

Yeah, and America loses. I am not surprised that the so-called "judge" ruled the way he did. I would have been surprised if he had ruled in accordance with the law and the facts both of which are against your side.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-04   0:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, I take it that it does not matter to you that the occupant of the Offal Office is a Felon?

Occupant of the offal office! Ha !! good one!

So, could you cite your source regarding Obama's felony conviction?

Thanks!

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-04   1:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Suddenly the judge becomes "so-called".

Both the law and the facts are on Obama's side. Taitz went up with no solid evidence and her ditzy legalistic tea leaf reading, which went against the entire history of American legal decisions on this matter.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-05   12:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Both the law and the facts are on Obama's side.

Wrong lawyer boy! The law (Constitution) is NOT on the side of the Kenyan. Nor would it be on the side of any other foreigner who had usurped the role of president. And the facts are not on his side either, not when you consider all the evidence available, including, but not limited to, his heffalump's admission, his grandmother's admission and several other facts which have been pointed out to you over and over.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   12:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's see.

Obama's grandmother did not say he was born in Africa. She said he was born in America.

www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/...truth-birther-claims.html

The Library of Congress did not report anything against Obama's eligibility, on the contrary, its Congressional Reference Service cites a wealth of legal support for his natural-born citizenship.

More than a dozen courts have rejected birther claims, not one has upheld the birthers.

The list goes on.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-05   15:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, just keep on lying for your Kenyan. You are not fooling anyone on this site, or at least not anyone with more than two adequately functioning brain cells.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   15:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, just keep on lying for your Kenyan. You are not fooling anyone on this site, or at least not anyone with more than two adequately functioning brain cells.

It is so obvious to me that I just read this idiots (Shoonra) posts for amusement purposes only.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-05   15:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, I take it that it does not matter to you that the occupant of the Offal Office is a Felon?

It matters a great deal, really........

Have you had a chance to find that source yet?

A convicted felon! no kidding?

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-05   15:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He says that Obama's African grandmother didn't say that he was born in Africa. I guess we are to disregard the evidence we can see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears if it is not favorable to the Mocha Messiah. And unbelievable as it may seem to any sentient being he referenced a group with ties to Obama (factcheck) to bolster one of his silly statements. Yeah, like we are supposed to believe snopes and factcheck when it has been shown that they are in Obama's pocket. But homey don't play dat!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   15:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jameson is not much better, but they may just be lost and uninformed. I have not pegged them a complete shill yet.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-05   15:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jameson is not much better

Not any better. Anyone who still supports Obama after he has plainly showed what he is and what he believes in--and that certainly is not America and liberty--is pretty close to brain dead imo.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   15:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jameson is not much better, but they may just be lost and uninformed. I have not pegged them a complete shill yet.

Thanks for the ping.......not

Most consider it poor etiquette at best, or cowardly and pathetic at worst to not ping another poster when bad-mouthing them......

You can decide whether you made a simple mistake, or if you're just a bitch. I've already made up my mind.

I f you had bothered to ask, I would have happily shared with you my position..... I'm really not much of an Obama supporter..... I'm not a republican and I'm not a democrat.

I'm just a regular American who wants what is best for ALL Americans. Even those whom many others seem to hate.

My position on the ridiculous berfer argument is quite simple......

Obama was elected president of the United States of America and he will remain president until the next president is elected.

There will be no impeachment, no removal from office, and no other actions.... It will not happen. Sorry.

Most of us here in our great country are working hard and doing all we can to improve our lives, and the general standard of living for everyone. Most of us don't hate and don't resent those who disagree with us.

The berfer position is a weak distraction from the business of making America great again.

IMHO

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-05   21:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, what you and your cohorts keep arguing in effect, Shoonra, (and despite all evidence to the contrary) is: If Hitler and Eva Braun had married before he went into politics and she gave birth to their son while they were visiting here as tourists, their child would have been eligible to be President of the United States of America as a natural born citizen -- and that would be in keeping with what our Founders intended? Is that right?

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-05   21:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whenever I see some fag use the misspelled version of "Birther", I know that they're yet another welfare or government check drawing, disruptor. I keep telling myself that these are the people we get to string up from lamp posts after we eventually rid ourselves of the parasite class.

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2012-02-05   22:17:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm just a regular American who wants what is best for ALL Americans.

The globalization of our Presidency is not what is best for ALL Americans. Those who can't understand, willfully refuse to understand, or pretend not to understand one of the most simple concepts of our Constitution -- the natural born citizen qualification, meaning a person born here of two citizen parents -- do not speak for Americans and should be barred from meddling in our governance. They speak and work for those hostile to our Constitutional Republic. Their tactics of subverting our Constitution and talking America to death with their gangrenous obstinence and nonsensical ramblings is evidence of Treason.

Edited for grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-05   22:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whenever I see some fag use the misspelled version of "Birther", I know that they're yet another welfare or government check drawing, disruptor.

I suspect most were ok with questioning McCain's eligibility, and some of them led the calls. So I see them as hypocrites, as well as irrational disruptors who can't spell correctly.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-05   22:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone who still supports Obama after he has plainly showed what he is and what he believes in--and that certainly is not America and liberty--is pretty close to brain dead imo.

I agree 100%

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-05   22:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I keep telling myself that these are the people we get to string up from lamp posts after we eventually rid ourselves of the parasite class.

I look forward to that day

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-05   22:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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