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Title: The American People WAKE UP after the Library of Congress proves Obama NOT to be a US Citizen.
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Published: Feb 2, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-02-02 14:09:20 by James Deffenbach
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I think you are confusing another grandchild with the grandmother. Some stooge grandchild was in the background arguing with her about where Obama was born. Now who would be in a better position to know where he was born? His grandmother or another grandson who probably hadn't even been born when Obama was?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   0:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The first heffalump speaks out to members of the "LGBT community" and admits that Obama's "home country" is Kenya.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   0:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think just about everyone else who posts here knows Obama is not eligible to be president.

Actually, I am pretty sure he is eligible.

It is my theory that if any of the berfer nonsense were plausible......

Hilary Clinton would have used it 4 years ago.

And she would be president today.

It's that simple.

No, it is not that simple. Hitlery is just as owned by the Bankster elite as Oh'bummer. Hitlery does as she is told or she suffers the "consequences" her masters dictate.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-03   0:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Except for this:

www.factcheck.org/2011/04/donald-youre-fired/

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-03   0:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

factcheck? Really? Really? LOL! No one there would have any vested interest in lying for Obama would they? Nah, of course not.

Obama's Lost Annenberg Years Coming to Light

Annenberg. factcheck. Same outfit.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   1:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who Is Barack Obama? Who is Barry Soetoro? Why is there no Birth Certificate? Birthers are right! 1 1/2 mins.

Uploaded by RockTheFacts on Aug 6, 2009

Why don't we have answers to any of these questions? If you are going to post a rebuttal - answer the question - WHY?? And don't give me the line that I have no right to see these documents. As a member of this representative republic, I have the right and the responsibility to ask these questions. And SO DO YOU!

Where Were You Born? 3 1/2 Country-style Music Video

Uploaded by Lisamei62 on Aug 6, 2009

© 2009 Chris Miller (Music Arrangement by BigDawg)...

The very talented Singer/Songwriter/Author Chris Miller was kind enough to allow us to do this countrified version of his most excellent tribute to all you "BIRTHERS" out there!

Its's simple really...all I want to know is why all the secrecy for such a "TRANSPARENT" President? I had to undergo intense background investigations, polygraphs, etc...to get my job...shouldn't the POTUS have to do the same?

Obama ADMITS Born in Kenya!!! [?] 21 secs.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-03   4:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hitlery is just as owned by the Bankster elite as Oh'bummer.

Oh, ok then.

So if the "bankster elite" have the power to install whomever they choose as president....that makes the whole berfer "movement" an exercise in pointlessness....as is the entire election charade.

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-03   5:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Its's simple really...all I want to know is why all the secrecy for such a "TRANSPARENT" President? I had to undergo intense background investigations, polygraphs, etc...to get my job...shouldn't the POTUS have to do the same?

Great videos. And a good point about how most of us have to show documents to do just about anything. But apparently Kenyans don't have to do all that.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-03   9:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hitlery is just as owned by the Bankster elite as Oh'bummer.

Oh, ok then.

So if the "bankster elite" have the power to install whomever they choose as president....that makes the whole berfer "movement" an exercise in pointlessness....as is the entire election charade.

No, that does not follow at all. What it does suggest is that the first step to real reform is to first recognize there is a problem, and identify the correct "why" of the problem. The correct "why" opens the door to a handling.

So, I take it that it does not matter to you that the occupant of the Offal Office is a Felon?

If so, they you are part of the problem.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-03   14:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Besides the fact that the Library of Congress has not taken the birfers' side, the Georgia judge has not waited but has decided in Obama's favor.

www.scribd.com/doc/804176...son-Powell-v-Obama-Judge- Malihi-Final-Decision-Georgia-Ballot-Challenge-2-3-2012

Looks like my side wins.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-04   0:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Looks like my side wins.

Yeah, and America loses. I am not surprised that the so-called "judge" ruled the way he did. I would have been surprised if he had ruled in accordance with the law and the facts both of which are against your side.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-04   0:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, I take it that it does not matter to you that the occupant of the Offal Office is a Felon?

Occupant of the offal office! Ha !! good one!

So, could you cite your source regarding Obama's felony conviction?

Thanks!

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-04   1:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Suddenly the judge becomes "so-called".

Both the law and the facts are on Obama's side. Taitz went up with no solid evidence and her ditzy legalistic tea leaf reading, which went against the entire history of American legal decisions on this matter.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-05   12:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Both the law and the facts are on Obama's side.

Wrong lawyer boy! The law (Constitution) is NOT on the side of the Kenyan. Nor would it be on the side of any other foreigner who had usurped the role of president. And the facts are not on his side either, not when you consider all the evidence available, including, but not limited to, his heffalump's admission, his grandmother's admission and several other facts which have been pointed out to you over and over.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   12:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's see.

Obama's grandmother did not say he was born in Africa. She said he was born in America.

www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/...truth-birther-claims.html

The Library of Congress did not report anything against Obama's eligibility, on the contrary, its Congressional Reference Service cites a wealth of legal support for his natural-born citizenship.

More than a dozen courts have rejected birther claims, not one has upheld the birthers.

The list goes on.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-05   15:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, just keep on lying for your Kenyan. You are not fooling anyone on this site, or at least not anyone with more than two adequately functioning brain cells.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   15:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, just keep on lying for your Kenyan. You are not fooling anyone on this site, or at least not anyone with more than two adequately functioning brain cells.

It is so obvious to me that I just read this idiots (Shoonra) posts for amusement purposes only.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-05   15:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, I take it that it does not matter to you that the occupant of the Offal Office is a Felon?

It matters a great deal, really........

Have you had a chance to find that source yet?

A convicted felon! no kidding?

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-05   15:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He says that Obama's African grandmother didn't say that he was born in Africa. I guess we are to disregard the evidence we can see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears if it is not favorable to the Mocha Messiah. And unbelievable as it may seem to any sentient being he referenced a group with ties to Obama (factcheck) to bolster one of his silly statements. Yeah, like we are supposed to believe snopes and factcheck when it has been shown that they are in Obama's pocket. But homey don't play dat!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   15:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jameson is not much better, but they may just be lost and uninformed. I have not pegged them a complete shill yet.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-05   15:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jameson is not much better

Not any better. Anyone who still supports Obama after he has plainly showed what he is and what he believes in--and that certainly is not America and liberty--is pretty close to brain dead imo.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   15:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jameson is not much better, but they may just be lost and uninformed. I have not pegged them a complete shill yet.

Thanks for the ping.......not

Most consider it poor etiquette at best, or cowardly and pathetic at worst to not ping another poster when bad-mouthing them......

You can decide whether you made a simple mistake, or if you're just a bitch. I've already made up my mind.

I f you had bothered to ask, I would have happily shared with you my position..... I'm really not much of an Obama supporter..... I'm not a republican and I'm not a democrat.

I'm just a regular American who wants what is best for ALL Americans. Even those whom many others seem to hate.

My position on the ridiculous berfer argument is quite simple......

Obama was elected president of the United States of America and he will remain president until the next president is elected.

There will be no impeachment, no removal from office, and no other actions.... It will not happen. Sorry.

Most of us here in our great country are working hard and doing all we can to improve our lives, and the general standard of living for everyone. Most of us don't hate and don't resent those who disagree with us.

The berfer position is a weak distraction from the business of making America great again.

IMHO

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-05   21:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, what you and your cohorts keep arguing in effect, Shoonra, (and despite all evidence to the contrary) is: If Hitler and Eva Braun had married before he went into politics and she gave birth to their son while they were visiting here as tourists, their child would have been eligible to be President of the United States of America as a natural born citizen -- and that would be in keeping with what our Founders intended? Is that right?

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-05   21:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whenever I see some fag use the misspelled version of "Birther", I know that they're yet another welfare or government check drawing, disruptor. I keep telling myself that these are the people we get to string up from lamp posts after we eventually rid ourselves of the parasite class.

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2012-02-05   22:17:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm just a regular American who wants what is best for ALL Americans.

The globalization of our Presidency is not what is best for ALL Americans. Those who can't understand, willfully refuse to understand, or pretend not to understand one of the most simple concepts of our Constitution -- the natural born citizen qualification, meaning a person born here of two citizen parents -- do not speak for Americans and should be barred from meddling in our governance. They speak and work for those hostile to our Constitutional Republic. Their tactics of subverting our Constitution and talking America to death with their gangrenous obstinence and nonsensical ramblings is evidence of Treason.

Edited for grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-05   22:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whenever I see some fag use the misspelled version of "Birther", I know that they're yet another welfare or government check drawing, disruptor.

I suspect most were ok with questioning McCain's eligibility, and some of them led the calls. So I see them as hypocrites, as well as irrational disruptors who can't spell correctly.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-05   22:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone who still supports Obama after he has plainly showed what he is and what he believes in--and that certainly is not America and liberty--is pretty close to brain dead imo.

I agree 100%

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-05   22:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I keep telling myself that these are the people we get to string up from lamp posts after we eventually rid ourselves of the parasite class.

I look forward to that day

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-05   22:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

as is the entire election charade.

yeah, i think there's much truth to that.

"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Josef Stalin)

ever heard of or read the book, "Votescam; The Stealing of America?"

christine  posted on  2012-02-05   22:36:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Most consider it poor etiquette at best, or cowardly and pathetic at worst to not ping another poster when bad-mouthing them......

The protocol at another forum was to ping a person being mentioned as a matter of courtesy if they weren't already posting in the discussion or hadn't for some time. Otherwise, it was presumed that they were keeping up with the conversation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-05   22:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ever heard of or read the book, "Votescam; The Stealing of America?"

I've not taken the time to read it, although I should.

If it is possible to rig an election - at any level - it will happen every time it matters to the outcome...... IMHO

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-05   22:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The protocol at another forum was to ping a person being mentioned as a matter of courtesy if they weren't already posting in the discussion or hadn't for some time. Otherwise, it was presumed that they were keeping up with the conversation.

protocol from another forum? F you!

yeah, who gives a shit.

"Otherwise, it was presumed that they were keeping up with the conversation." Give me a f'ing break - what a lame excuse!

If you want to engage me - do so - I'll be glad to interact.

If you want to talk about me behind my back - without including me in the conversation - you're a coward and a bitch.

if you want to bad-mouth a poster then put them on "bozo" so you can avoid their rebuttal - you're a coward and a bitch.

Go back to freeperville

Jameson  posted on  2012-02-05   22:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I keep telling myself that these are the people we get to string up from lamp posts after we eventually rid ourselves of the parasite class.

I look forward to that day

and if those HLS lamp posts are available there will be video for all to watch and rejoice when they are strung up.

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-02-05   23:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whenever I see some fag use the misspelled version of "Birther", I know that they're yet another welfare or government check drawing, disruptor. I keep telling myself that these are the people we get to string up from lamp posts after we eventually rid ourselves of the parasite class.

Ya damn skippy! Great post Tommy. Don't just limit it to lamp posts though. Yard arms and tall limbs will work too!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   23:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

now we know what the offspring of ewecon and muttdog would be like.

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-02-05   23:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The globalization of our Presidency is not what is best for ALL Americans. Those who can't understand, willfully refuse to understand, or pretend not to understand one of the most simple concepts of our Constitution -- the natural born citizen qualification, meaning a person born here of two citizen parents -- do not speak for Americans and should be barred from meddling in our governance. They speak and work for those hostile to our Constitutional Republic. Their tactics of subverting our Constitution and talking America to death with their gangrenous obstinence and nonsensical ramblings is evidence of Treason.

Excellent post.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   23:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   23:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

now we know what the offspring of ewecon and muttdog would be like.

LOLOL!!! Good one.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-05   23:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

protocol from another forum? F you!

yeah, who gives a shit.

"Otherwise, it was presumed that they were keeping up with the conversation." Give me a f'ing break - what a lame excuse!

If you want to engage me - do so - I'll be glad to interact.

If you want to talk about me behind my back - without including me in the conversation - you're a coward and a bitch.

if you want to bad-mouth a poster then put them on "bozo" so you can avoid their rebuttal - you're a coward and a bitch.

Go back to freeperville

That post was the third time I engaged you in this topic. The first time I pinged you. The other two attempts were posted directly to just you. And that's your idea of interacting gladly? -- lecturing me on the Rules of Engagement across the internet to address and appease you? The importance of this topic isn't about you. Thanks for the demonstration, though, on how easy it is to step on your toes even when not excluding you from the conversation or hurling animus baselessly as you do.

So, speaking of Exclusion Acts, do you wanna play Trivial Pursuit? -- since you apparently don't want to discuss the substantive issues?

Q: Who signed the Chinese Exclusion Act suspending Chinese immigration with a ban intended to last 10 years, which led to the Wong Kim Ark case?

A: Chester A. Arthur, illegitimate resident of the White House.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-06   0:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If the precedent of the 21st President, Chester A. Arthur, a Republican, who was born in Vermont to an American mother and a British father, isn't enough .....

There's the example of Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes. He ran for President in 1912 and 1916, and in 1916 got the Republican nomination for President (narrowly defeated by Woodrow Wilson)... even though, when he was born in NY, both his parents were Brits. He was confident, as was the Republican Party, and almost every other legal authority of the time, that being born in the US was enough, even though neither parent was citizen, to make him "a natural born citizen".

If you still want to insist otherwise, please come up with an unambiguous statement from someone who knows more about the Constitution than a Chief Justice.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-22   10:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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