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Title: Madonna’s NFL Half Time Show - Satanic Ritual
Source: Hollywood Illuminati
URL Source: http://hollywoodilluminati.com/2012 ... sguised-in-the-half-time-show/
Published: Feb 6, 2012
Author: Nicolas Duplessis
Post Date: 2012-02-08 08:52:04 by Bill D Berger
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Madonna’s NFL Satanic Ritual disguised as Church Music. by Nicolas Duplessis.
(The Illuminati always has to do its rituals between the New Moon and Full Moon. The Full Moon is in 2 more days, so it is their time for rituals & what better place than a Half Time show with millions of people?)

On top of us having a nearly full moon cycle tonight, on this second month, of day five in the year 2012, this moon cycle is very important to the Illuminati because any ritual that is done, will be full force because the power of the ritual will grow with the moon.

While the full moon starts in 48 more hours, it is very important for the Illuminati Ritual to happen before that due date.
(Madonna opened with a Roman Theme but she didnt have a Roman Helmet, instead she had a ritual Lucifer horned crown of gold!)
(Red. Black. Gold. All of the colors used in Madonna’s Half Time Show)

(Madonna used Satan horns for her opening act)

Madonna comes out, and her first act is a Roman Theme Show to her track “Vogue”. But while it was a Roman costume theme, one couldn’t help but notice the two Satan horns coming up from Madonna’s head gear. The Romans didn’t wear helmets with horns nor can this be found in Egypt head gear being that she did mix in some Egyptian ritual dancing.

Also in Act 1-Vogue Track, which is a synchronised dance song, we see a black guy dancing around Madonna with Angel Wings and a harp. Lucifer, was the angel of music and the arts before he fell from heaven.

Also at the top of the show, the wings that appear to be feathers of an angel are really webbed wings, which are associated with Lucifer photos from the Roman Era.

We see the male dancers doing acrobats for her track “Music”. During this chaos, there were two male dancers that got down on all fours, like the Muslims do when they pray to Allah. Most cheerleading teams, do not actually assume a prostration position when building a pyramid but in Satanic Rituals, it is believed that Lucifer or the devil would assume a prostration position and the witches would line up and kiss his anus as a sign of respect. We not only saw a classic Lucifer Ritual Pose but we also saw the quick building of a pyramid by her dancers.

(The male dancers in Act 2 (Track: Music) made a quick pyramid and Madonna slithered through the pyramid like a snake. The pyramid in the photo is Satan’s Pyramid and an occult seal used to invoke Satan during rituals.)

In Freemason Bibles, which is basically the King James Bible, except on page 33 of the Freemason Bible, it informs the reader that Lucifer is the real God & that Lucifer is the real Jesus and also according to this Freemason Bible, it is indeed Lucifer that is the carrier of light. So, these people are masters at double talk and hiding their worship of Satan behind Christianity.

So, we see her final Act and she comes out in a black Sabbath witch’s gown, singing to her track “Like A Prayer” but yet this supposedly religious song doesn’t use the word Jesus, so who was she praying to when she dropped to her knees?

Her track “Like a Prayer” has lyrics saying “I close my eyes and I think I’m falling out of the sky.” This track tells the story of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel.

(Light sticks are used in Illuminati Rituals, to worship Lucifer, and they are often held by the observers of the rituals, as a way of participating. )

According to Lucifer Freemason Texts, Lucifer is the lord of light and to worship Lucifer one would wear a black robe (like Madonna had on) and by her having the entire stadium participate with her in this ritual by holding up lights to her ritual, she basically did a classic musician performance of casting a spell on her audience and fooling them into Satanic Worship.

Dont forget that before Madonna put on the black robe, her dancers were in red, gold & black outfits and some were in red & white, which are colors that one uses to worship Lucifer. The entire show had a lucifer color theme.

(To worship Lucifer, one must wear mostly red and black. Madonna had on a black robe but the entire color scheme of the entire show was blk/red if you take into account her dancers starting in the second part of Act 2 with the cheer-leader rappers)

During the last act “Like a Prayer” we not only see lights that are made to look like Hell Fire & sometimes the beams of light even take on a giant, quick pyramid formation but also during this supposedly ”church song” she ends the show by dropping into the ground. This was a Satanic Ritual.

What did this ritual mean? This Satanic Ritual, is a classic petition to Satan, in an effort to call for chaos out of order. While many people think that the Illuminati wants order out of chaos, that is simply not true.

According to Illuminati text, the Fallen One, desires Chaos out of Order. They will take what is orderly and make it chaotic!

So, this ritual, done by madonna along with millions of Americans, spells wars, disease and a crashing of the Old World Order. While the lights at the end said “World Peace”-it doesnt matter what you see but instead you have to look at what they do and what is their definition of “peace”.

This is Hollywood and this is what Hollywood does best.
(Photo from Infowars.com)

Satanist Madonna & her Satanic Ritual NFL Show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lypnhDeQE8&feature=player_embedded#!
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#187. To: PSUSA2 (#184)
The Pedophocracy, Part III: Uncle Sam Wants Your Children

August 2001
"It should come as no surprise, then, that long- time CIA and ‘intelligence complex’ operatives turn up on the FMSF Advisory Board. Perhaps the most public member has been Dr. Louis Jolyon ‘Jolly’ West, a legendary figure in CIA mind control circles operating out of UCLA. Another is Dr. Martin Orne, an authority on torture who currently works at the University of Pennsylvania’s Experimental Psychiatry Lab … Still another false memory luminary is Margaret Singer, professor emeritus at the University of California-Berkeley."
Toward Freedom, May 1998
One of the names raised at the Bonacci trial was that of Michael Aquino. Aquino is the ‘High Priest’ and chief executive of the Temple of Set, an overtly satanic cult that split off from the Church of Satan in 1975. Besides tending to those duties, Aquino also has occupied his time serving as (according to an official biography once circulated by the Temple) a “Lieutenant Colonel, Military Intelligence, U.S. Army.”
Aquino was accused in court by the mother of a victim as being a key player in a nationwide pedophile ring. Paul Bonacci himself has also positively identified Aquino as an associate of King, known to the children only as 'the Colonel.' King's personal photographer has identified Aquino as the man to whom he saw King hand over a suitcase full of cash and bonds.
The photographer, Rusty Nelson, also has said that King told him that Aquino was part of the Contra guns and cocaine trafficking operation run by George Bush and another notorious Lt. Col., Oliver North. Aquino has also been linked to Offutt Air Force Base, a Strategic Air Command post near Omaha that was implicated in the investigation by the Franklin Committee. He was also claimed to have ordered the abduction of a Des Moines, Iowa paperboy.
This was certainly not the first time that Aquino had been implicated as a key figure in large scale pedophile/child pornography rings. In July of 1988, not long before the King and Spence cases broke, the San Jose Mercury News ran a lengthy exposé on the Presidio Child Development Center run by the U.S. Army in San Francisco.
Allegations of abuse being perpetrated at the center first emerged in November of 1986. Alarmed by accusations made by her child, a parent had sought a medical examination which confirmed that the three- year-old boy had in fact been anally raped. The boy identified his rapist as 'Mr. Gary,' a teacher at the center named Gary Hambright.
Even with the conclusive medical evidence, “it took the Army almost a month to notify the parents of other children who had been in 'Mr. Gary's' class that the incident had taken place.” Within a year, at least sixty victims had been identified, all between the ages of three and seven, and further “allegations would be made by parents that several more children were molested even after the investigation had begun.”
Amazingly enough, the center remained open for more than a year after the first case of abuse was reported, though the Mercury News noted that “day care centers under state jurisdiction are routinely closed when an abuse incident is confirmed.” And this was considerably more than a simple abuse incident that was confirmed.
The stories told by the children implicated many other perpetrators besides Hambright. They also told of being taken away from the center to be abused in private homes; at least three such houses were positively identified. They also told of being forced to play “poopoo baseball” and the “googoo” game – 'games' that involved the children being urinated and defecated upon, and being forced to ingest urine and feces.
Many of them also spoke of having guns pointed at them and of having been told that they and/or their parents and siblings would be killed if they told anyone what had been done to them. Despite the mounting number of victim/witnesses, and the numerous crimes alleged by these children, it was only Gary Hambright who was arrested - on January 5, 1987 - and he was charged with abusing just a single child. And even then the charges were dismissed just three months later, in March of 1987.
There is little doubt that literally dozens of children were in fact severely abused at the center. There was irrefutable medical evidence to document that fact. Five of the children had contracted chlamydia, a sexually transmitted disease; many others showed clear signs of anal and genital trauma consistent with violent penetration, which authorities chose to ignore. One mother complained to the San Francisco Chronicle that the FBI never interviewed her or her son, even after doctors had confirmed the boy’s abuse.
There were unmistakable psychological signs as well. As The American Journal of Orthopsychiatry noted in April of 1992: “The severity of the trauma for children at the Presidio was immediately manifest in clear cut symptoms. Before the abuse was exposed, parents had already noticed the following changes in their children: vaginal discharge, genital soreness, rashes, fear of the dark, sleep disturbances, nightmares, sexually provocative language, and sexually inappropriate behavior. In addition, the children were exhibiting other radical changes in behavior, including temper outbursts, sudden mood shifts, and poor impulse control. All these behavioral symptoms are to be expected in preschool children who have been molested.”
The journal article, written by Diane Ehrensaft, Ph.D., also noted that: “The Presidio case has confronted both the public at large and the mental health community with an extraordinary and abhorrent situation of grave psychological proportions: the willful molestation of young boys and girls by representatives of the most patriarchal and supposedly protective arm of the American government – the U.S. Army.”
The article further noted the nearly homicidal rage provoked in the fathers of the children abused in this way, as they saw the investigations of the crimes perpetrated against their children stonewalled and covered up. One father is quoted as saying: “When something about the Presidio comes on TV, I want to blow someone away.” Another father echoed this sentiment: “I was ready to blow the army base away.”
One of those who the fathers would have liked to blow away was Michael Aquino, along with his wife Lilith. One child positively identified the pair, known to the kids as 'Mikey' and 'Shamby,' and was also able to positively identify the Aquino's home and to describe with uncanny accuracy the distinctively satanic interior of the house. The young witness also claimed to have been photographed at the Aquinos' home.
On August 14 of 1987, a search warrant was served on the house. Confiscated in the raid were numerous videotapes, photographs, photo albums, photographic negatives, cassette tapes, and name and address books. Also observed was what appeared to be a soundproof room. Neither Aquino nor his wife were charged with any crimes, nor have they been to this day – a fact that Aquino claims proves his innocence.
The next month, a fire - which the Army deemed to be accidental - destroyed the Army Community Services Building adjacent to the Presidio's day care center. Strangely enough, “the fire occurred on the autumnal equinox, a major event on the satanic calendar,” as the Mercury News noted. The fire also destroyed some of the center's records.
“Three weeks later, fire struck again, this time at the day care center itself.” A building that housed four classrooms, including that of Gary Hambright, was completely destroyed. Investigators from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms determined that “both fires, contrary to the Army's finding, had been arson.”
In between the first and second fires (with evidence indicating that a third arson attempt had been made as well), Hambright was again indicted, this time charged with molesting ten children. In February of 1988, all but one of the charges were dropped. Shortly thereafter, the remaining count was dropped as well, and Hambright was a free man once again. No further charges were brought against him.
In January of 1988, Aquino filed suit against the Army to have it cleared from his record that he had been investigated as a suspected pedophile. According to court records, he also had the gall to charge “Captain Adams-Thompson [the father of a victim] with conduct unbecoming an officer because the Captain reported the allegations of child abuse to the San Francisco police.”
In denying Aquino's motion, the court concluded that “there was probable cause to title Aquino with offenses of indecent acts with a child, sodomy, conspiracy, kidnapping, and false swearing,” despite the fact that “the San Francisco police department (SFPD) closed its investigation and filed no charges against the plaintiff or anyone else.”
Aquino and various of his defenders have consistently claimed that no one was ever prosecuted in the case due to a lack of evidence – proof that the entire affair was no more than a ‘witch hunt.’ Of course, the failure to prosecute the federal charges could also be due to the fact that, at the time, the U.S. Attorney in San Francisco handling the case was Joseph Russoniello.
Russoniello would later be identified by reporter Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury News as a player in the Contra cocaine smuggling operation led by Lt. Col. Oliver North and company, just as witnesses would later identify Lt. Col. Michael Aquino as an operative in the very same sordid affair. It always helps when your legal ‘adversaries’ are actually on your side.
In May of 1989, Aquino was again questioned in connection with child abuse investigations; this time at least five children in three cities were making the accusations. The children had seen Aquino in newspaper and television coverage of the Presidio case and immediately recognized him as one of their abusers.
Three of the children lived in Ukiah - former home of the People’s Temple - where Police Chief Fred Keplinger was overseeing the investigation of the allegations. The Mercury News quoted the chief as saying that “the children are believable. I have no doubt in my mind that something has occurred.” Aquino was also identified by children in Santa Rosa and Fort Bragg.
In the Fort Bragg case, “allegations of ritual abuse erupted ... in 1985 when several children at the Jubilation Day Care Center said they were sexually abused by a number of people at the day care center and at several locations away from the center, including at least two churches.” Aquino was identified as having been at one of those churches.
The Mercury News also reported that there was clear evidence of satanic cult activity on the grounds of the Presidio base, including an abundance of satanic graffiti, a satanic altar, and numerous artifacts of satanic rituals. A former MP at the base is quoted as saying: “We were sitting there, we've got a cult on the Presidio of San Francisco and nobody cares about it ... We were told by the provost marshal to just forget about it.”
On April 19, 1988 - the eve of Adolf Hitler’s birthday, and seven years to the day before the Oklahoma City Federal Building would explode, allegedly due to an act of ‘domestic terrorism’- an open-house was held on the grounds of the Presidio heralding the opening of the new day care facility built to replace the fire-damaged Child Development Center.
As a final note on the Presidio case, a report in the Marin Independent Journal revealed that Aquino owned a building in Marin County - inherited from his mother, Betty Ford-Aquino - that had been jointly leased to the Marin County Child Abuse Council and Project Care for Children. The stated purpose of Project Care was, interestingly enough, to assist parents in locating day care for their children.
As disturbing as the Presidio case was, it was just one of many ritual abuse cases directly tied to one or more branches of the United States armed forces. As the Mercury News reported: “By November, 1987 the Army had received allegations of child abuse at 15 of its day care centers and several elementary schools. There were also at least two cases in Air Force day care centers,” and another in a center run by the U.S. Navy.
In addition, “a special team of experts was sent to Panama [in June of 1988] to help determine if as many as 10 children at a Department of Defense elementary school had been molested and possibly infected with AIDS.” Yet another case emerged in a U.S.-run facility in West Germany.
These cases erupted at some of the most esteemed military bases in the country, including Fort Dix, Fort Leavenworth, Fort Jackson, and West Point. Many of those making the accusations were career military officers who had devoted their lives to unquestioned allegiance to the U.S. armed forces. Many would resign their posts in outraged protest.
It would be redundant to review all these cases, as most of them followed a remarkably similar pattern. Given though that West Point is America's premier military academy, and given also that the case - like many others - was linked by witnesses to the Presidio, a brief review is warranted here.
As The Times Herald Record reported in June of 1991: “The incidents [at the West Point Child Development Center] unfolded against a backdrop of satanic acts, animal sacrifices and cult-like behavior among the abusers, whose activities extended beyond the U.S. Military Academy borders to Orange County and a military base in San Francisco, parents charged.”
The case first broke in July of 1984, when a three-year-old girl found herself in the emergency room of the West Point Hospital with a lacerated vagina. She told the examining physician that a teacher at the day care center had hurt her. The next month, the parents of another child leveled accusations of abuse at the center.
As the Mercury News reported: “By the end of the year, 50 children had been interviewed by investigators. Children at West Point told stories that would become horrifyingly familiar. They said they had been ritually abused. They said they had had excrement smeared on their bodies and been forced to eat feces and drink urine. They said they were taken away from the day care center and photographed.”
Despite abundant medical and psychological evidence, and literally dozens of child witnesses, and despite “950 interviews by 60 FBI agents assigned to the investigation, an investigation led by former U.S. Attorney Rudolph Giuliani produced no federal grand jury indictments,” according to the Herald Record.
The Herald also noted that: “In 1987, Giuliani said his detailed investigation showed only one or two children were abused.” This was, it should be noted, a bare-faced lie from the fascistic future-mayor and would-be Senator, as the Herald report divulged: “a still-secret, independent report - produced by one of the nation's top experts on child sexual abuse - confirms the children's accusations of abuse.”
This was not the first time that the prestigious academy had shown an appalling willingness to overlook extreme levels of abuse directed at children by army personnel. A year before the abuse case broke, a 22-month-old child was murdered by an Army staff sergeant. The Mercury News reported that: “After a court martial hearing, the sergeant was given an 18 month suspended sentence and dishonorable discharge.”
In other words, he served no time and was essentially given a free ride for murdering a child. With help from Giuliani, the FBI, the U.S. Army, and the grand jury, the abusers of countless children at the day care center (which was, appropriately enough, building number 666 on the academy grounds) were likewise given a free ride.
As with the Franklin case, the children and their parents were to find justice only through the civil courts. The Herald Record reported that: “lawyers for both the government and the 11 child plaintiffs agreed that some children were sexually abused at the center two years ago” (again contradicting Giuliani's bogus conclusions). The government, however, claimed that it could not be held responsible, due to the “assault exemption in the Federal Tort Claim Act.”
As the New York Times explained: “under federal law the government cannot be held liable for assaults committed by its employees and thus cannot be sued for assault.” In other words, the Army did not dispute the allegations, it just rather cavalierly maintained that it was exempt from being sued. The court saw otherwise and awarded $2.7 million to nine of the child victims – paltry compensation for their suffering, but a victory of sorts nonetheless.
The Times opined that the settlement amount “was large for a child-abuse case in which no criminal charges were filed.” The article claimed that the failure to prosecute the case was due to the fact that “the Federal Bureau of Investigation found ‘insufficient evidence to prosecute,’” when in fact the Bureau appears to have deliberately ignored and/or covered-up that evidence.
And so ended the West Point case, except that - as one mother noted - it was hardly over: “These people stole our children. She's nothing like she used to be. She's a very angry little girl. She doesn't trust anyone. She's nothing like she was before this happened. It's never going to be over for them, or for us.”
The mother of a Presidio victim had this to say: “People keep telling us we've got to let it go -- just forget about it and go on ... Three weeks ago, our youngest daughter was having nightmares and our other daughter was closing out the whole world, going to her room and siting there, with no radio, no TV, no nothing. Tell me it's over.”
“I cannot accept promotion in a system that at first refused to acknowledge and now refuses to deal with the victims of extensive child abuse that occurred at the West Point Child Development Center.”
Army Captain Walter R. Grote, refusing a promotion to Major in June 1985. Grote referred to his protest as a “fight for the human rights of all children.”
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1. Al-Kurdi, Husayn “Messing With Our Minds,” Toward Freedom, May 1998
2. Arce, Rose Marie “Liability in Point Abuse Case Debated,” The Times Herald Record (Middletown, New York), December 23, 1986
3. Blood, Linda The New Satanists, Warner Books, 1994
4. Cunningham, Douglas and Alan Snel “A Legacy of Pain: Settlement Doesn't Ease Abused Children's Fears,” The Times Herald Record (Middletown, New York), June 11, 1991
5. DeCamp, John W. The Franklin Cover-Up, AWT, Inc., 1992
6. Ehrensaft, Diane “Preschool Child Sex Abuse: The Aftermath of the Presidio Case,” The American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, April 1992
7. Goldston, Linda “Army of the Night,” San Jose Mercury News, July 24, 1988
8. Goldston, Linda “Satanic Priest Questioned in New Sex Case,” San Jose Mercury News, May 13, 1989
9. Hays, Constance L. “$2.7 Million Settles Army Child-Abuse Case,” New York Times, May 23, 1991
10. Sawyer, Kathy “Army Doctor Turns Down Promotion; Lax Response to Case of Child Abuse Cited,” Washington Post, June 25, 1985
11. Steinberg, Jeffrey “Satanic Subversion of the U.S. Military,” EIR, July 2, 1999
12. “Army Doctor Refuses Promotion in Protest,” San Diego Union Tribune, June 25, 1985
13. “The Keys to Hell and Death – Part II,” SFLR News (the newsletter of San Francisco Liberation Radio), May 21, 2001
14. Michael Aquino v. The Honorable Michael Stone, Secretary of the Army (Civ. A. No. 90-1547-A), United States District Court, Alexandria Division, July 1, 1991

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-09 15:17:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#188. To: PSUSA2 (#163)
Just for shits and giggles, did you know that Anton LaVey was Jewish?
Also, did you know that on his death bed he had some serious regrets:

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
intotheabyss posted on 2012-02-09 15:26:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#189. To: PSUSA2 (#185)

Satanic Priest Questioned in New Sex Case

By Linda Goldston
San Jose Mercury News, May 13, 1989

Lt. Col. Michael Aquino, a satanic priest who was investigated in connection with the sexual abuse of children at the U.S. Army's Presidio of San Francisco, has been questioned about the abuse of at least five children in Sonoma and Mendocino counties.
      Aquino, founder and high priest of the Temple of Set, said Friday that he and his wife, Lilith, were questioned this week by Army investigators about allegations against them.
      Aquino was adamant that he and his wife have never molested any child "anywhere, anytime."
      'I expect that the investigation will thoroughly and completely exonerate both Mrs. Aquino and myself," he said.
      ''The Army has interviewed both my wife and myself, and as far as I'm concerned, nothing was discussed that indicates there was any serious evidence that any such crimes occurred at all as far as Mrs. Aquino and I are concerned."
Aquino and his wife had been under investigation since August 1988, when the 3-year-old daughter of an assistant chaplain at the Presidio accused them of sexually abusing her.
      No one has been tried in the Presidio case, although charges were filed and dropped twice against Gary Hambright, a former teacher at the day care center. More than 60 children were sexually abused at the Presidio's day care center, and many said the abuse happened during satanic rituals. In addition, five children were confirmed to have venereal disease.
      In the new investigation, police in Ukiah already had been looking into the ritual abuse of two boys and a girl when the children accused Aquino of being involved, parents and police said. Aquino also was accused of molestations in Santa Rosa and Fort Bragg.
      ''Basically, we have a multi-jurisdictional investigation" of Aquino and others, said Ukiah Police Chief Fred Keplinger. Keplinger said that his department is working with the Army's Criminal Investigation Division.
Keplinger declined to discuss the details of the investigation but said, "the children are believable. I have no doubt in my mind that something has occurred. It's just being able to prove who the perpetrators are."
      Army investigators recently videotaped the children's stories. Officials would not discuss their investigation.
      ''It's policy not to discuss any case under investigation," Tom MacKenzie, chief of media relations for the Presidio of San Francisco, said Friday.
      Aquino said he expects the investigation to be completed within the next few weeks but would not reveal details of the couple's interviews with Army investigators. "I don't think it would be proper to go through what the Army questioned me about," he said.
      The San Francisco District Attorney's Office decided not to press charges against Aquino last year for abuse that allegedly occurred at his San Francisco home because there "wasn't enough corroborating evidence to proceed on the original allegations," Assistant District Attorney Mike Williams said at the time.
The Army broadened its investigation to Sonoma and Mendocino counties after children there recognized Aquino during television and newspaper coverage of him and the Presidio case.
      One of the children, a boy, was watching a television program about the case with his mother when he recognized Aquino, his mother said.
      ''He just grabbed the rocking chair and hung on real tight," she said. "His eyes got huge and he said, 'Mommy, that's the man from the church in Fort Bragg.' "
      Allegations of ritual abuse erupted in Fort Bragg in Mendocino County in 1985 when several children at the Jubilation Day Care Center said they were sexually abused by a number of people at the day care center and at several locations away from the center, including at least two churches.
      No one was tried in the case, though Mendocino County District Attorney Susan Massini said Friday it "is an active, ongoing investigation."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-09 15:32:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#190. To: FormerLurker (#189)
The San Francisco District Attorney's Office decided not to press charges against Aquino last year for abuse that allegedly occurred at his San Francisco home because there "wasn't enough corroborating evidence to proceed on the original allegations," Assistant District Attorney Mike Williams said at the time.

Was the DAs office In On It?
Again, only allegations, no trial(s). And the only charges were dropped, twice, and Aquino wasn't even the one charged.
Again, I say I don't know him. Maybe he did it, maybe not. I"m not going to give him a pass just because. But I am not going to say he did it just because there are allegations.
If he was a pedophile, he'd still be doing it. AFAIK there is no stopping them, short of imprisonment or at the end of a rope. Are there any more recent allegations? NOt that I know of.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-02-09 17:46:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#191. To: FormerLurker (#187)
I’ve known quite number of Christians that were very decent people. The very few Satanists that I’ve encountered in my life and all of the ones that I’ve encountered in writing were assholes. (You’ll forgive any sins in sampling error I commit here.)
This is explicable in that, by all accounts, the story of Satan is in essence one of rebellion, and the Satanist is in creed and practice, whatever that may be, a perpetual adolescent. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built.
There are always those that rebel. Like the poor, they are always with us. And, as far as we can see, that is how it ever will be.

randge posted on 2012-02-09 19:47:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#192. To: FormerLurker, All (#187)
I’ve known quite number of Christians that were very decent people. The very few Satanists that I’ve encountered in my life and all of the ones that I’ve encountered in writing were assholes. (You’ll forgive any sins in sampling error I commit here.)
This is explicable in that, by all accounts, the story of Satan is in essence one of rebellion, and the Satanist is in creed and practice, whatever that may be, a perpetual adolescent. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built.
There are always those that rebel. Like the poor, they are always with us. And, as far as we can see, that is how it ever will be.

randge posted on 2012-02-09 19:47:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#193. To: FormerLurker (#132)
What it comes down to is ultra fanatical bible huggers believe whatever they wish to believe, and damn anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Fundamentalism defined.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2012-02-09 20:08:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#194. To: randge (#192)
assholes. (You’ll forgive any sins in sampling error I commit here.)

The correct plural is "assholies".
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2012-02-09 20:10:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#195. To: tom007 (#193)
Fundamentalism defined.

Much of this thread reminds me of the following Trading Spouses episode...
www.youtube.com/watch? v=q3mDLsyn6ns
Embedding disabled, so I linked it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-09 22:38:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#196. To: randge, FormerLurker (#192)
The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built.

Dependable? If you are depending on them to commit mass murder (fuck that, lets just call it genocide) then they are dependable. They have proven their dependability many times.
Christians don't build civilizations. They destroy them. They'll destroy this one too, if they get their way.
Christians didn't "defer gratification of their natural desires". They call those natural desires "sins" and think people are going to be tortured in hell for them. To a christian, it is a sin to be human. What other religion says people are born in sin? Only a jew could come up with something that twisted.
They had to have faith in the future, because the present sucked.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-02-09 23:03:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#197. To: tom007 (#194)
The correct plural is "assholies".

Good to know. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
abraxas posted on 2012-02-09 23:15:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#198. To: PSUSA2, randge (#196)
Christians don't build civilizations. They destroy them.

Not always true. Look at France, England, and Italy. Look at Canada, and the US up till the end of the 20th century.
They built some pretty impressive cities.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-09 23:36:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#199. To: randge (#192) (Edited)
I’ve known quite number of Christians that were very decent people.
Likewise.
The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built.
Not only that, but truly peaceful and benevolent societies may have perhaps lived the utiopian dream, but throughout history, any such society was eventually anhilated due to the very fact their doctrines were of of peace and non-violence. It led to their downfall due to barbarians who would rape and slaughter their people and pillage their lands.
That is why a religion such as Christianity was necessary, as Christians believe they can kill if their government tells them to, and have no qualms defending themselves with deadly force if needed. It is of course contrary to the 10 Commandments and the teachings of Jesus, but if their religious leaders tell them it's ok, then all that is tossed out the window.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-09 23:48:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#200. To: PSUSA2 (#196)
I didn't say that Christians were better than anyone else. They are probably no more or less barbaric than the other civilized peoples on this planet. They were, however, successful in building a hugely dynamic and productive civilization. For better or worse, they have carried Western Civilization forward.
"Satanists," OTOH, haven't done shit.

randge posted on 2012-02-10 5:23:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#201. To: FormerLurker (#198)
Pagans built some nice cities too.
It doesn't take christianity to build a city. Nothing much good has come from christianity, or any of the other "abrahamic" religions.
Contrast those they built with those they destroyed. But, jesus loves you. lol
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-02-10 8:18:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#202. To: randge (#200)
For better or worse, they have carried Western Civilization forward.

Western civilization has advanced in spite of christianity, not because of it.
Otherwise, owning a telescope, or a bible in your own language, could get you into some trouble with the PTB.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-02-10 8:22:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#203. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
She's been a proud jezebel for as long as I can remember.

Cornhuskerkid posted on 2012-02-10 8:56:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#204. To: PSUSA2 (#201)
Pagans built some nice cities too.

Which ones? I mean, recently?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 14:03:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#205. To: Cornhuskerkid, Bill D Berger, CadetD (#203)
She's been a proud jezebel for as long as I can remember.

Actually I would not rate her quite that high. Depraved and Degenerate come to mind as ready adjectives. Also PsyOps. Her performance had to have been scripted with the delivery of specific messages to particular audiences depending upon a person's level of knowledge and awareness. Her book "Sex" gives some insight into her true level of dark depravity.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2012-02-10 15:00:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#206. To: FormerLurker (#204)
What kind of "recent" cities are there? They've been around for a while now. I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
But:
www.theplumber.com/pom.html
Contrast that with Londoners literally throwing their shit out the window onto the street 1500+ years later.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-02-10 15:12:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#207. To: randge (#192) (Edited)
This is explicable in that, by all accounts, the story of Satan is in essence one of rebellion, and the Satanist is in creed and practice, whatever that may be, a perpetual adolescent. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built.

A nice summation. And to the Satanist "ethic" we could also add a depraved and degenerate even unto hatred, for others. It is ultimately a complete, or nearly so, avoidance of responsibility. One could call it rebellion, and in a way it is, but rebellion against what? Decency? Honor? Regard for the welfare of others? Satanism is basically a nihilistic philosophy which seeks to avoid reality and responsibility for one's actions.
While moral codes can, and often do, become twisted over time in their best form they are the condensed wisdom of a culture as to what is beneficial for the individual AND the society. Thus the prohibitions of out of wedlock birth which has a very real, and is thus very practical, implication for the unwed mother. We can see in our current culture that unwed mothers most often live in poverty, excepting inherited wealth and the occasional actress or other such very high income earning woman, and their life choices are very constrained, if they have any decency, by the need to care for the child.
And I agree with your general assessment of the personality characteristics of Satanists. I have been acquainted with a few and most can most charitably be described as personality disordered assholes. I recall one such acquaintance from my days in the service who one of the Psychs, not that I care for Psychs but that is another story, classified as a "Psychotic Shithead".
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2012-02-10 15:14:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#208. To: Original_Intent, Cornhuskerkid, Bill D Berger, CadetD (#205)
Well at least she's not nearly as depraved as THIS women...
www.youtube.com/watch? v=q3mDLsyn6ns
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 15:55:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#209. To: Original_Intent (#205)
Also PsyOps. Her performance had to have been scripted with the delivery of specific messages to particular audiences depending upon a person's level of knowledge and awareness.

OI, not EVERYTHING you see is a "psyop". If anything, the elite would like to silence people who promote world peace, such as Madonna. You really have me scratching my head over this.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 15:58:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#210. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#209) (Edited)
Satanic ritual military music sports industry psyop.
What's not to understand?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-02-10 16:33:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#211. To: FormerLurker (#209)
Also PsyOps. Her performance had to have been scripted with the delivery of specific messages to particular audiences depending upon a person's level of knowledge and awareness.
OI, not EVERYTHING you see is a "psyop". If anything, the elite would like to silence people who promote world peace, such as Madonna. You really have me scratching my head over this.

No, not everything is PsyOps and I have never said it was. However, we are bathed in Psych manipulation to such a great extent that to some degree people have tended not to notice, or it blends in, because it IS present in a very large degree.
Read the "Laurel Canyon" series sometime and look at some of the other outside research that has been done on how the popular culture is manipulated. I am not a "stick up my ass" Christian who is trying to enforce my personal view of morality on others, but that Christian morality, much of which is good and wholesome, is one of the things our power elite is busily trying to destroy because it runs counter to their plans for social manipulation and the normalization of perversity - such as has already been done with homosexuality.
When I say that the PsyOps manipulation of our culture is pervasive I am not kidding. Once you are sensitized to it and start looking and analyzing a lot of it, not all, starts popping right out at you. The ghost of Sigmund Fraud and his ill begotten nephew Edward Bernays must be suffering gales of laughter about now. This imposition has not grown up overnight but it has been increased tremendously through the control of the popular media. Compare and contrast 1950's and early 1960's television with the manipulative schlock that is on the air now. I could spend a couple hours just analyzing and documenting the different types of manipulation, citing specific examples, were I inclined to take the time. I just find it a more profitable use of my time to exhort people to think for themselves - learn basic logic, and research, read, and research some more.
One of my favorite examples is the less than amazing Randi and the so-called "Skeptics". While some of them are just suckers parroting the lines they've been fed at its core are series of potent memes:

Rely on authority - if it didn't come from an "approved" source it can't be true.

Anything which diverges from the mainstream is false.

Materialism is the only valid philosophy and viewpoint.

There is no spiritual dimension to life. We are just animate sacks of chemicals who only think we can think because that is what the chemicals tell us. There is no life beyond the existence of the material, the body, and the belief that you are a spiritual being is illogical because we can't measure it with one of our holy oscilloscopes. Never mind all of the empirical observational data that suggests very strongly that man is not just meat. (This is basically the "humanist/atheist" viewpoint stripped of all of its sophistry.)

All Religion is bunk, because mainstream science can't verify it (of course mainstream science is all about materialism which rejects the spiritual a priori. So it becomes a circular logic of "Catch 22").

That is before we get into the specifics of what they say on any given topic and why. (Hint a lot of it comes out of places such as Langely Virginia and Tavistock, and no I can't prove it with a smoking gun, but that is my studied opinion after years of looking at it and analyzing it. The different threads from a multitude of different sources makes proving it an arduous task - which also requires stripping away a lot of false data from the minds of the audience.)
As for "World Peace" the NWO is promoting "World Peace" from their perverted point of view. Of course if that means enslaving 99% of the population after killing off 85% of the population - well hey, "you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs".
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2012-02-10 16:41:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#212. To: PSUSA2 (#206)
Contrast that with Londoners literally throwing their shit out the window onto the street 1500+ years later.

True. If anything, much of anything majestic built in the Middle Ages were either churches, or government buildings.
Science and ingenuity were tossed aside till the Renaissance, and sanitation didn't make a comeback till the 1900's. That's why they had so many plagues till then.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 16:49:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#213. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#210)
So all sports are "satanic" too now, eh? All music is satanic, right?
I didn't take you for a fundie, at least now I know.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 16:50:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#214. To: wudidiz (#210)
Satanic ritual military music sports industry psyop.
What's not to understand?

True and obvious to those sensitized to look for it and can spot it, but it is a matter of viewpoint, knowledge, and awareness. As Historian and Documentarian James Burke pointed out:

"What you see is determined by what you know."

So, it someone does not know it exists they don't see the blatant manipulation and it just becomes an outre' Rock Star putting on a performance and all of the symbolism, and buried memes, seep in unfiltered and even unnoticed.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." ~ Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2012-02-10 16:52:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#215. To: Original_Intent (#211)
Madonna is not a satanist nor an atheist. She is more spiritual than many if not most on this board, if she does indeed follow the Kabbalah.
Music and eroticism in and of itself is not evil. Wanton murder and destruction IS. And that is what many of these so-called devout "christians" condone and support.

Ye shall know them by their fruits...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 16:56:02 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#216. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#214) (Edited)
And once I again I need to bring up the fact that you folks hop all over a pop star with idiotic accusations, much like the rable of demon possessed self- righteous folks who perpetrated the witch hunts of the 1600's, yet fail to identify and condenm those who truly ARE evil and twisted, such as the "black metal" bands I mentioned, and those such as Marilyn Manson, who views himself as the anti-christ.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 17:00:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#217. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#213)
So all sports are "satanic" too now, eh?

Do some reading on the history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. The Gladiatorial Games (think NFL) served a social function of keeping the Plebes (the common people) diverted from the society's decadent ruling classes and the collapse and degadation of the society around them.
Commonly referred to, derisively, as "Bread and Circuses".

"All music is satanic, right? "

No, not all, but there is a large component there. Certainly classical music is not, but in the manipulated popular culture? Yes, a lot of it is, even if one just prefers to use the less charged term of degraded and destructive. Satanic though is a useful label as it encapsulates, and communicates, a lot in that short term.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2012-02-10 17:00:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#218. To: Original_Intent (#217) (Edited)
No, not all, but there is a large component there. Certainly classical music is not, but in the manipulated popular culture? Yes, a lot of it is, even if one just prefers to use the less charged term of degraded and destructive. Satanic though is a useful label as it encapsulates, and communicates, a lot in that short term.

With that sort of philosophy, I'd think you'd be afraid to get out of bed in the morning lest some demon might jump out from under it and eat you.
Using the term "satanic" in such a generic way, to mean virtually anything you personally find distasteful, dilutes the meaning of the word.
When I use the term, I MEAN what it truly implies, and that is that it refers to those who DO in fact worship satan, and relates to the deranged and twisted actions they commit in satan's name.
I could say "Jesus camps" are satanic, as they twist the minds of young children and I find that distasteful, so it must be satanic, if I were to stretch the meaning as much as you.
To me, this girl seems demonically possessed...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 17:08:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#219. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#215)
And that is what many of these so-called devout "christians" condone and support.

Define "many". Many is a generalization.
I could just as easily point out that "many" Christians do not support such horrors. In fact most of the support comes mainly from the manipulated, misled, and thoroughly controlled Kristyun Zionists who number an estimated 35 million or so in the U.S.. Given that about, by survey, 90% of ALL Americans think of themselves as Christian 35 million is at best about 1/6th and even among them are those who reject the horrors of these endless wars for NWO dominance.
I have never said that people cannot be misled nor that ALL Christians are truly good people. However, "many" of them, IMHO, ARE good people.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2012-02-10 17:08:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#220. To: Original_Intent (#219)
Define "many". Many is a generalization.

How many supported GW Bush and his crusade against the "muzzies"? How many have voted for Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney, or Newt Gingrich?
How many wish to bring about Armageddon so they can get "raptured" a bit sooner than later?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 17:13:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#221. To: FormerLurker (#209)
OI, not EVERYTHING you see is a "psyop". If anything, the elite would like to silence people who promote world peace, such as Madonna. You really have me scratching my head over this.

He is a head-scratch inducer.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a rock concert is just a rock concert.
I remember an interview with Ozzy some time ago. He is the self-proclaimed "prince of darkness". However, he also said that it is all an act, that the person on stage is not the real person, that no one on stage is as they are in real life. It's a show, no more and no less.
Are there "real" satanists in music? Probably some. Manson is a COS "high priest", which is a joke since a person can buy a priesthood there. They use him like scientology uses Cruise and that other dumbfuck that I can't think of his name right now.
Some of the "black metal" bands might be satanists. I don't know. I don't care much for that genre. My guess is that there aren't many. They are playing to their audiences.
Some see satanists behind everything. There aren't that many of us; and there is no real "us" since generally speaking we are not a group, but individuals.
I've never met one in real life, and I doubt those that claim they have.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-02-10 17:13:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#222. To: FormerLurker (#218)
Your point? Even a lot of Christians find the Scofield Fundies objectionable in their behavior. One might call it "Bizarro Christianity". Christianity, while having at its original core a good many sound and decent philosophies, is subject to distortion and perversion over time by societies termites.
Not to cut this short but I have some things to attend to.
However, I know religion is charged subject for you, as it was with my mother so I am used to dealing with it, but for a time try to separate the religion and its philosophy from the practicioners who pervert it for whatever reasons or demons of their own.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2012-02-10 17:17:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#223. To: PSUSA2, FormerLurker (#221)
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a rock concert is just a rock concert.

Trite and cliche. The converse is also true - sometimes it is not just a rock concert.
Context is all, and the message delivers what it delivers.
Trying to create a fog of confusion is certainly one way to try to obscure a concept or idea.
All I ask of people is that they think for themselves.
When I am presented with trite cliches and catchphrases then I know reason has fled the room.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2012-02-10 17:21:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#224. To: Original_Intent (#217)
Do some reading on the history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. The Gladiatorial Games (think NFL) served a social function of keeping the Plebes (the common people) diverted from the society's decadent ruling classes and the collapse and degadation of the society around them.

All work and no play makes Johnny a very dull boy...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 17:23:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#225. To: Original_Intent (#222)
However, I know religion is charged subject for you, as it was with my mother so I am used to dealing with it, but for a time try to separate the religion and its philosophy from the practicioners who pervert it for whatever reasons or demons of their own.

I am not the one accusing people of being satanic, although I have pointed out some who openly are. I am simply trying to educate you and others here that your fears in this particular matter are unfounded and unwarranted.
During the course of the thread, there has been much back and forth concerning religious philosophy. What it comes down to is, don't jump in the fire if you can't stand the heat.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 17:29:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#226. To: Original_Intent (#223)
When I am presented with trite cliches and catchphrases then I know reason has fled the room.

There is profound wisdom in those cliches, and that is why they are immortal.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-02-10 17:31:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#227. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#213)
Jesus loves you
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-02-10 17:57:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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