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Title: Madonna’s NFL Half Time Show - Satanic Ritual
Source: Hollywood Illuminati
URL Source: http://hollywoodilluminati.com/2012 ... sguised-in-the-half-time-show/
Published: Feb 6, 2012
Author: Nicolas Duplessis
Post Date: 2012-02-08 08:52:04 by Bill D Berger
Keywords: None
Views: 7135
Comments: 418

Madonna’s NFL Satanic Ritual disguised as Church Music. by Nicolas Duplessis.

(The Illuminati always has to do its rituals between the New Moon and Full Moon.  The Full Moon is in 2 more days, so it is their time for rituals  & what better place than a Half Time show with millions of people?)
 
 
On top of us having a nearly full moon cycle tonight, on this second month, of day five in the year 2012, this moon cycle is very important to the Illuminati because any ritual that is done, will be full force because the power of the ritual will grow with the moon.

While the full moon starts in 48 more hours, it is very important for the Illuminati Ritual to happen before that due date.
 (Madonna opened with a Roman Theme but she didnt have a Roman Helmet, instead she had a ritual Lucifer horned crown of gold!)
(Red. Black. Gold. All of the colors used in Madonna’s Half Time Show)
 
 (Madonna used Satan horns for her opening act)
 
Madonna comes out, and her first act is a Roman Theme Show to her track “Vogue”.  But while it was a Roman costume theme, one couldn’t help but notice the two Satan horns coming up from Madonna’s head gear.  The Romans didn’t wear helmets with horns nor can this be found in Egypt head gear being that she did mix in some Egyptian ritual dancing.

 
  • Also in Act 1-Vogue Track, which is a synchronised dance song, we see a black guy dancing around Madonna with Angel Wings and a harp.  Lucifer, was the angel of music and the arts before he fell from heaven. 
 
 
Also at the top of the show, the wings that appear to be feathers of an angel are really webbed wings, which are associated with Lucifer photos from the Roman Era.
 
We see the male dancers doing acrobats for her track “Music”. During this chaos, there were two male dancers that got down on all fours, like the Muslims do when they pray to Allah.  Most cheerleading teams, do not actually assume a prostration position when building a pyramid but in Satanic Rituals, it is believed that Lucifer or the devil would assume a prostration position and the witches would line up and kiss his anus as a sign of respect.  We not only saw a classic Lucifer Ritual Pose but we also saw the quick building of a pyramid by her dancers.

(The male dancers in Act 2 (Track: Music) made a quick pyramid and Madonna slithered through the pyramid like a snake. The pyramid in the photo is Satan’s Pyramid and an occult seal used to invoke Satan during rituals.)
 
In Freemason Bibles, which is basically the King James Bible, except on page 33 of the Freemason Bible, it informs the reader that Lucifer is the real God & that Lucifer is the real Jesus and also according to this Freemason Bible, it is indeed Lucifer that is the carrier of light.  So, these people are masters at double talk and hiding their worship of Satan behind Christianity.
 
So, we see her final Act and she comes out in a black Sabbath witch’s gown, singing to her track “Like A Prayer” but yet this supposedly religious song doesn’t use the word Jesus, so who was she praying to when she dropped to her knees?
 

  • Her track “Like a Prayer” has lyrics saying “I close my eyes and I think I’m falling out of the sky.”  This track tells the story of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel.
 
(Light sticks are used in Illuminati Rituals, to worship Lucifer, and they are often held by the observers of the rituals, as a way of participating. )
 
 According to Lucifer Freemason Texts, Lucifer is the lord of light and to worship Lucifer one would wear a black robe (like Madonna had on) and by her having the entire stadium participate with her in this ritual by holding up lights to her ritual, she basically did a classic musician performance of casting a spell on her audience and fooling them into Satanic Worship.
 
Dont forget that before Madonna put on the black robe, her dancers were in red, gold & black outfits and some were in red & white, which are colors that one uses to worship Lucifer.  The entire show had a lucifer color theme.

(To worship Lucifer, one must wear mostly red and black. Madonna had on a black robe but the entire color scheme of the entire show was blk/red if you take into account her dancers starting in the second part of Act 2 with the cheer-leader rappers)
 
During the last act “Like a Prayer” we not only see lights that are made to look like Hell Fire & sometimes the beams of light even take on a giant, quick pyramid formation but also during this supposedly ”church song” she ends the show by dropping into the ground.  This was a Satanic Ritual.
 
What did this ritual mean? This Satanic Ritual, is a classic petition to Satan, in an effort to call for chaos out of order.  While many people think that the Illuminati wants order out of chaos, that is simply not true.

 
According to Illuminati text, the Fallen One, desires Chaos out of Order. They will take what is orderly and make it chaotic!
 
 So, this ritual, done by madonna along with millions of Americans, spells wars, disease and a crashing of the Old World Order.  While the lights at the end said “World Peace”-it doesnt matter what you see but instead you have to look at what they do and what is their definition of “peace”.
 
This is Hollywood and this is what Hollywood does best.
(Photo from Infowars.com)
 
Satanist Madonna & her Satanic Ritual NFL Show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lypnhDeQE8&feature=player_embedded#!
(18 images)

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#204. To: PSUSA2 (#201)

Pagans built some nice cities too.

Which ones? I mean, recently?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   14:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: Cornhuskerkid, Bill D Berger, CadetD (#203)

She's been a proud jezebel for as long as I can remember.

Actually I would not rate her quite that high. Depraved and Degenerate come to mind as ready adjectives. Also PsyOps. Her performance had to have been scripted with the delivery of specific messages to particular audiences depending upon a person's level of knowledge and awareness. Her book "Sex" gives some insight into her true level of dark depravity.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   15:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: FormerLurker (#204)

What kind of "recent" cities are there? They've been around for a while now. I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

But:

www.theplumber.com/pom.html

Contrast that with Londoners literally throwing their shit out the window onto the street 1500+ years later.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-02-10   15:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: randge (#192) (Edited)

This is explicable in that, by all accounts, the story of Satan is in essence one of rebellion, and the Satanist is in creed and practice, whatever that may be, a perpetual adolescent. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built.

A nice summation. And to the Satanist "ethic" we could also add a depraved and degenerate even unto hatred, for others. It is ultimately a complete, or nearly so, avoidance of responsibility. One could call it rebellion, and in a way it is, but rebellion against what? Decency? Honor? Regard for the welfare of others? Satanism is basically a nihilistic philosophy which seeks to avoid reality and responsibility for one's actions.

While moral codes can, and often do, become twisted over time in their best form they are the condensed wisdom of a culture as to what is beneficial for the individual AND the society. Thus the prohibitions of out of wedlock birth which has a very real, and is thus very practical, implication for the unwed mother. We can see in our current culture that unwed mothers most often live in poverty, excepting inherited wealth and the occasional actress or other such very high income earning woman, and their life choices are very constrained, if they have any decency, by the need to care for the child.

And I agree with your general assessment of the personality characteristics of Satanists. I have been acquainted with a few and most can most charitably be described as personality disordered assholes. I recall one such acquaintance from my days in the service who one of the Psychs, not that I care for Psychs but that is another story, classified as a "Psychotic Shithead".

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   15:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: Original_Intent, Cornhuskerkid, Bill D Berger, CadetD (#205)

Well at least she's not nearly as depraved as THIS women...

www.youtube.com/watch? v=q3mDLsyn6ns


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   15:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Original_Intent (#205)

Also PsyOps. Her performance had to have been scripted with the delivery of specific messages to particular audiences depending upon a person's level of knowledge and awareness.

OI, not EVERYTHING you see is a "psyop". If anything, the elite would like to silence people who promote world peace, such as Madonna. You really have me scratching my head over this.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   15:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#209) (Edited)

Satanic ritual military music sports industry psyop.

What's not to understand?


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-02-10   16:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: FormerLurker (#209)

Also PsyOps. Her performance had to have been scripted with the delivery of specific messages to particular audiences depending upon a person's level of knowledge and awareness.

OI, not EVERYTHING you see is a "psyop". If anything, the elite would like to silence people who promote world peace, such as Madonna. You really have me scratching my head over this.

No, not everything is PsyOps and I have never said it was. However, we are bathed in Psych manipulation to such a great extent that to some degree people have tended not to notice, or it blends in, because it IS present in a very large degree.

Read the "Laurel Canyon" series sometime and look at some of the other outside research that has been done on how the popular culture is manipulated. I am not a "stick up my ass" Christian who is trying to enforce my personal view of morality on others, but that Christian morality, much of which is good and wholesome, is one of the things our power elite is busily trying to destroy because it runs counter to their plans for social manipulation and the normalization of perversity - such as has already been done with homosexuality.

When I say that the PsyOps manipulation of our culture is pervasive I am not kidding. Once you are sensitized to it and start looking and analyzing a lot of it, not all, starts popping right out at you. The ghost of Sigmund Fraud and his ill begotten nephew Edward Bernays must be suffering gales of laughter about now. This imposition has not grown up overnight but it has been increased tremendously through the control of the popular media. Compare and contrast 1950's and early 1960's television with the manipulative schlock that is on the air now. I could spend a couple hours just analyzing and documenting the different types of manipulation, citing specific examples, were I inclined to take the time. I just find it a more profitable use of my time to exhort people to think for themselves - learn basic logic, and research, read, and research some more.

One of my favorite examples is the less than amazing Randi and the so-called "Skeptics". While some of them are just suckers parroting the lines they've been fed at its core are series of potent memes:

Rely on authority - if it didn't come from an "approved" source it can't be true.

Anything which diverges from the mainstream is false.

Materialism is the only valid philosophy and viewpoint.

There is no spiritual dimension to life. We are just animate sacks of chemicals who only think we can think because that is what the chemicals tell us. There is no life beyond the existence of the material, the body, and the belief that you are a spiritual being is illogical because we can't measure it with one of our holy oscilloscopes. Never mind all of the empirical observational data that suggests very strongly that man is not just meat. (This is basically the "humanist/atheist" viewpoint stripped of all of its sophistry.)

All Religion is bunk, because mainstream science can't verify it (of course mainstream science is all about materialism which rejects the spiritual a priori. So it becomes a circular logic of "Catch 22").

That is before we get into the specifics of what they say on any given topic and why. (Hint a lot of it comes out of places such as Langely Virginia and Tavistock, and no I can't prove it with a smoking gun, but that is my studied opinion after years of looking at it and analyzing it. The different threads from a multitude of different sources makes proving it an arduous task - which also requires stripping away a lot of false data from the minds of the audience.)

As for "World Peace" the NWO is promoting "World Peace" from their perverted point of view. Of course if that means enslaving 99% of the population after killing off 85% of the population - well hey, "you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs".

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   16:41:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: PSUSA2 (#206)

Contrast that with Londoners literally throwing their shit out the window onto the street 1500+ years later.

True. If anything, much of anything majestic built in the Middle Ages were either churches, or government buildings.

Science and ingenuity were tossed aside till the Renaissance, and sanitation didn't make a comeback till the 1900's. That's why they had so many plagues till then.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   16:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#210)

So all sports are "satanic" too now, eh? All music is satanic, right?

I didn't take you for a fundie, at least now I know.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   16:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: wudidiz (#210)

Satanic ritual military music sports industry psyop.

What's not to understand?

True and obvious to those sensitized to look for it and can spot it, but it is a matter of viewpoint, knowledge, and awareness. As Historian and Documentarian James Burke pointed out:

"What you see is determined by what you know."

So, it someone does not know it exists they don't see the blatant manipulation and it just becomes an outre' Rock Star putting on a performance and all of the symbolism, and buried memes, seep in unfiltered and even unnoticed.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." ~ Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   16:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: Original_Intent (#211)

Madonna is not a satanist nor an atheist. She is more spiritual than many if not most on this board, if she does indeed follow the Kabbalah.

Music and eroticism in and of itself is not evil. Wanton murder and destruction IS. And that is what many of these so-called devout "christians" condone and support.

Ye shall know them by their fruits...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   16:56:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#214) (Edited)

And once I again I need to bring up the fact that you folks hop all over a pop star with idiotic accusations, much like the rable of demon possessed self- righteous folks who perpetrated the witch hunts of the 1600's, yet fail to identify and condenm those who truly ARE evil and twisted, such as the "black metal" bands I mentioned, and those such as Marilyn Manson, who views himself as the anti-christ.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   17:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#213)

So all sports are "satanic" too now, eh?

Do some reading on the history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. The Gladiatorial Games (think NFL) served a social function of keeping the Plebes (the common people) diverted from the society's decadent ruling classes and the collapse and degadation of the society around them.

Commonly referred to, derisively, as "Bread and Circuses".

"All music is satanic, right? "

No, not all, but there is a large component there. Certainly classical music is not, but in the manipulated popular culture? Yes, a lot of it is, even if one just prefers to use the less charged term of degraded and destructive. Satanic though is a useful label as it encapsulates, and communicates, a lot in that short term.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   17:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: Original_Intent (#217) (Edited)

No, not all, but there is a large component there. Certainly classical music is not, but in the manipulated popular culture? Yes, a lot of it is, even if one just prefers to use the less charged term of degraded and destructive. Satanic though is a useful label as it encapsulates, and communicates, a lot in that short term.

With that sort of philosophy, I'd think you'd be afraid to get out of bed in the morning lest some demon might jump out from under it and eat you.

Using the term "satanic" in such a generic way, to mean virtually anything you personally find distasteful, dilutes the meaning of the word.

When I use the term, I MEAN what it truly implies, and that is that it refers to those who DO in fact worship satan, and relates to the deranged and twisted actions they commit in satan's name.

I could say "Jesus camps" are satanic, as they twist the minds of young children and I find that distasteful, so it must be satanic, if I were to stretch the meaning as much as you.

To me, this girl seems demonically possessed...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   17:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#215)

And that is what many of these so-called devout "christians" condone and support.

Define "many". Many is a generalization.

I could just as easily point out that "many" Christians do not support such horrors. In fact most of the support comes mainly from the manipulated, misled, and thoroughly controlled Kristyun Zionists who number an estimated 35 million or so in the U.S.. Given that about, by survey, 90% of ALL Americans think of themselves as Christian 35 million is at best about 1/6th and even among them are those who reject the horrors of these endless wars for NWO dominance.

I have never said that people cannot be misled nor that ALL Christians are truly good people. However, "many" of them, IMHO, ARE good people.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   17:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: Original_Intent (#219)

Define "many". Many is a generalization.

How many supported GW Bush and his crusade against the "muzzies"? How many have voted for Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney, or Newt Gingrich?

How many wish to bring about Armageddon so they can get "raptured" a bit sooner than later?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   17:13:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: FormerLurker (#209)

OI, not EVERYTHING you see is a "psyop". If anything, the elite would like to silence people who promote world peace, such as Madonna. You really have me scratching my head over this.

He is a head-scratch inducer.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a rock concert is just a rock concert.

I remember an interview with Ozzy some time ago. He is the self-proclaimed "prince of darkness". However, he also said that it is all an act, that the person on stage is not the real person, that no one on stage is as they are in real life. It's a show, no more and no less.

Are there "real" satanists in music? Probably some. Manson is a COS "high priest", which is a joke since a person can buy a priesthood there. They use him like scientology uses Cruise and that other dumbfuck that I can't think of his name right now.

Some of the "black metal" bands might be satanists. I don't know. I don't care much for that genre. My guess is that there aren't many. They are playing to their audiences.

Some see satanists behind everything. There aren't that many of us; and there is no real "us" since generally speaking we are not a group, but individuals.

I've never met one in real life, and I doubt those that claim they have.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-02-10   17:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: FormerLurker (#218)

Your point? Even a lot of Christians find the Scofield Fundies objectionable in their behavior. One might call it "Bizarro Christianity". Christianity, while having at its original core a good many sound and decent philosophies, is subject to distortion and perversion over time by societies termites.

Not to cut this short but I have some things to attend to.

However, I know religion is charged subject for you, as it was with my mother so I am used to dealing with it, but for a time try to separate the religion and its philosophy from the practicioners who pervert it for whatever reasons or demons of their own.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   17:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: PSUSA2, FormerLurker (#221)

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a rock concert is just a rock concert.

Trite and cliche. The converse is also true - sometimes it is not just a rock concert.

Context is all, and the message delivers what it delivers.

Trying to create a fog of confusion is certainly one way to try to obscure a concept or idea.

All I ask of people is that they think for themselves.

When I am presented with trite cliches and catchphrases then I know reason has fled the room.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   17:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: Original_Intent (#217)

Do some reading on the history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. The Gladiatorial Games (think NFL) served a social function of keeping the Plebes (the common people) diverted from the society's decadent ruling classes and the collapse and degadation of the society around them.

All work and no play makes Johnny a very dull boy...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   17:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: Original_Intent (#222)

However, I know religion is charged subject for you, as it was with my mother so I am used to dealing with it, but for a time try to separate the religion and its philosophy from the practicioners who pervert it for whatever reasons or demons of their own.

I am not the one accusing people of being satanic, although I have pointed out some who openly are. I am simply trying to educate you and others here that your fears in this particular matter are unfounded and unwarranted.

During the course of the thread, there has been much back and forth concerning religious philosophy. What it comes down to is, don't jump in the fire if you can't stand the heat.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   17:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: Original_Intent (#223)

When I am presented with trite cliches and catchphrases then I know reason has fled the room.

There is profound wisdom in those cliches, and that is why they are immortal.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-10   17:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#213)

Jesus loves you


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-02-10   17:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: Original_Intent (#223)

Trying to create a fog of confusion is certainly one way to try to obscure a concept or idea.

You're lost in your own fog of confusion.

But if you want to see satanists behind everything, knock yourself out.

All I ask of people is that they think for themselves.

That is a blatant fucking lie.

If others don't agree with you, they are spreading disinfo, and/or on .gov payroll.

You and Alex Jones are 2 peas in a pod with that "think for yourself" crap.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-02-10   18:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: FormerLurker (#226)

When I am presented with trite cliches and catchphrases then I know reason has fled the room.

There is profound wisdom in those cliches, and that is why they are immortal.

Not to be argumenataive, not moi, but sometimes a cliche is just a cliche. ;-)

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   21:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: PSUSA2 (#228)

Trying to create a fog of confusion is certainly one way to try to obscure a concept or idea.

You're lost in your own fog of confusion.

But if you want to see satanists behind everything, knock yourself out.

How nice. Another attempt to put words in my mouth by exxagerating the point to the level of creating a Strawman Argument.

Did I assert my case as a universal?

No. The context clearly limits the point. However, you just cannot seem to resist distorting and misrepresenting other people's positions. Typical.

Moi: "All I ask of people is that they think for themselves."

BSUSATOO: "That is a blatant fucking lie."

BSUSATOO: "If others don't agree with you, they are spreading disinfo, and/or on .gov payroll."

Again distorting my position I have pointed out, and illustrated, with correct references YOUR repeated use of illogic and disinformation tactics. Wanting people to think for themselves and disagreeing with an expressed opinion, presented in your ineffably caustic and ill mannered fashion, is another. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Did I use too many big words for you?

Oh, Alex who? Is this someone whom I should know?

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   21:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: FormerLurker (#225)

However, I know religion is charged subject for you, as it was with my mother so I am used to dealing with it, but for a time try to separate the religion and its philosophy from the practicioners who pervert it for whatever reasons or demons of their own.

I am not the one accusing people of being satanic, although I have pointed out some who openly are. I am simply trying to educate you and others here that your fears in this particular matter are unfounded and unwarranted.

During the course of the thread, there has been much back and forth concerning religious philosophy. What it comes down to is, don't jump in the fire if you can't stand the heat.

It is not a matter of not being able to take the heat it is just a matter of whether or not I care to debate the points. Mostly I haven't since it is simply a debate that I did not want to invest a lot of time in and that it was simply declining into heated opinions. I expressed my views earlier in the thread and just have not felt inclined to be further involved. Given Madonna's history and connections it was, and still is, my considered opinion that there were motives other than artistic intent behind her "performance".

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-10   21:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: Original_Intent (#211)

As for "World Peace" the NWO is promoting "World Peace" from their perverted point of view. Of course if that means enslaving 99% of the population after killing off 85% of the population - well hey, "you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs".

It is like they are mocking us with the "world peace" message at the end knowing that they are about to start the most deadliest war the world has ever known.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-02-11   3:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: RickyJ (#232)

Hard to say but you could certainly be right there. Since, despite their intelligence, they are not really sane as you or I might define the term their warped motivations are sometimes difficult to decipher. However, it is certainly true that they seem to take perverse pleasure in mocking goodness and decency and so mocking the desire for peace would seem to fit into the warped mindset. This is such an insane planet ruled by madmen and madwomen that it boggles the mind.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-11   4:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: RickyJ, Original_Intent (#232)

It is like they are mocking us with the "world peace" message at the end knowing that they are about to start the most deadliest war the world has ever known.

WTF, how can you people see something sinister in a Superbowl performance which ends with the words "World Peace" spelled out in lights?

Would you rather they have said "Let's nuke Iran"?

Paranoia is a sickness you know.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-11   4:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#234)

WTF, how can you people see something sinister in a Superbowl performance which ends with the words "World Peace" spelled out in lights?

Just to be a pain, contrarian that I sometimes am, the word "allegory" comes to mind.

In a play rife with symbology and the overtones implied, or suggested, by the symbology the word "lights" stands out to my gimlet eye.

Who is called the "Lord of Light" or "The Shining One"?

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-11   4:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: Original_Intent (#235)

In a play rife with symbology and the overtones implied, or suggested, by the symbology the word "lights" stands out to my gimlet eye.

Who is called the "Lord of Light" or "The Shining One"?

So what did you want them to do, spray paint the football field with black lettering and shine lights on it? Oh right, lights are bad.

OMG OI, you have lost it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-11   4:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: FormerLurker (#236)

Context is everything. I expected the response so I almost didn't float the thought and the association. However, you did not deny the allegorical representation as it does fit. It may not be correct but it does fit. Data insufficient to say if that was the intent.

However, given the entire occultic context of her performance the comparison is almost inescapable.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-11   5:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: Original_Intent (#237) (Edited)

However, you did not deny the allegorical representation as it does fit.

You're one of the few people I've met who can twist a message of World Peace into something horrible.

I guess since we're past 1984, doublespeak is in "vogue".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-11   5:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: Original_Intent (#237)

So in your opinion, were those gospel singers partaking in the satanic ritual as well?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-11   5:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: Original_Intent (#237)

Oh and as far as your claim that you see the word "Lights" somewhere in the stadium, can you point out exactly where you see this? Perhaps you're hallucinating OI, as I don't see it anywhere.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-02-11   5:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: Original_Intent (#230)

Again distorting my position I have pointed out, and illustrated, with correct references YOUR repeated use of illogic and disinformation tactics. Wanting people to think for themselves and disagreeing with an expressed opinion, presented in your ineffably caustic and ill mannered fashion, is another. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Did I use too many big words for you?

Was I too "caustic" for you?

Come on, duff man. Admit it, you're a kike.

You think that using your "big words" is impressive? It's not. Anyone can do it. You're just being indubitably pretentious.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-02-11   7:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: RickyJ (#232)

It is like they are mocking us with the "world peace" message at the end knowing that they are about to start the most deadliest war the world has ever known.

When the globalists/illuminists/babylonians, whatever you call them cry "Peace!" it's best to duck because they are about to take a squat on the human race.

For my part, I don't give a shit about football, and what with the attendant juvenile racket that the half time show has become, I can't put enough distance between myself and this noise.

randge  posted on  2012-02-11   8:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: PSUSA2 (#241)

You think that using your "big words" is impressive? It's not. Anyone can do it. You're just being indubitably pretentious.

Oh, dear me what shall I ever do I just feel soooooooooo chastened.

I might point out that there is a difference between erudition and pretension. While I should imagine that such distinctions are lost on the uncultivated my vocabulary, which I generally keep under tight constraint, is a product of enjoying the written word and language. Where I have fun with language you wield it as a bludgeon. In your hands English is a blunt object you brandish with all the delicacy and facility of a Rapper singing Parsifal. However, it is just one of the trials which must be endured. So, give it no second thought - a practice of which I am certain you have much experience.

While I am always of a mind to be agreeable your preference for monosyllabic somnambulance is a type of drudgery I am simply unwilling to indulge. Perhaps it is forlorn longing, but I do keep hoping that you should develop some sensitivity to the less pedestrian possibilities inherent in expressive written communication.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-11   14:48:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: FormerLurker (#238)

However, you did not deny the allegorical representation as it does fit.

You're one of the few people I've met who can twist a message of World Peace into something horrible.

I guess since we're past 1984, doublespeak is in "vogue".

I think the word "peace" is a beautiful and expressive word. However, given the perverted twists of such as Madonna I find it rather tuneless in her hands. She would not be the first in perverting its usage to a veiled meaning.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-11   14:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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