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Title: Madonna’s NFL Half Time Show - Satanic Ritual
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Hollywood Illuminati
URL Source: http://hollywoodilluminati.com/2012 ... sguised-in-the-half-time-show/
Published: Feb 6, 2012
Author: Nicolas Duplessis
Post Date: 2012-02-08 08:52:04 by Bill D Berger
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Comments: 418
Madonna’s NFL Satanic Ritual disguised as Church Music. by Nicolas Duplessis. 
(The Illuminati always has to do its rituals between the New Moon and Full Moon. The Full Moon is in 2 more days, so it is their time for rituals & what better place than a Half Time show with millions of people?)
(Madonna opened with a Roman Theme but she didnt have a Roman Helmet, instead she had a ritual Lucifer horned crown of gold!)
(Madonna used Satan horns for her opening act)
(The male dancers in Act 2 (Track: Music) made a quick pyramid and Madonna slithered through the pyramid like a snake. The pyramid in the photo is Satan’s Pyramid and an occult seal used to invoke Satan during rituals.)
(Light sticks are used in Illuminati Rituals, to worship Lucifer, and they are often held by the observers of the rituals, as a way of participating. )
(To worship Lucifer, one must wear mostly red and black. Madonna had on a black robe but the entire color scheme of the entire show was blk/red if you take into account her dancers starting in the second part of Act 2 with the cheer-leader rappers)
(Photo from Infowars.com)
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I didn't watch the super bowl. I only saw them talking about the "finger" on a "news" show in a restaurant on Monday. I figured it was a "F-you America" from the Illuminati, and planned to visit vigilantcitizen to see what the author there had made of this performance. This article is great. Thanks for posting it. So, this ritual, done by madonna along with millions of Americans, spells wars, disease and a crashing of the Old World Order. While the lights at the end said “World Peace”-it doesnt matter what you see but instead you have to look at what they do and what is their definition of “peace”. Look up the "peace" symbol; it's a BROKEN CROSS! "Before the Lord comes, the hidden things of darkness will be revealed." Thanks again for posting. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
On top of us having a nearly full moon cycle tonight, on this second month, of day five in the year 2012, this moon cycle is very important to the Illuminati because any ritual that is done, will be full force because the power of the ritual will grow with the moon. Jeremiah 8:1-3. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
lol. The pyramid in the photo is Satan’s Pyramid and an occult seal used to invoke Satan during rituals.) Really? lol This entire article is a joke. hey bill! There's a demon sitting at your kitchen table! You better feed him, or else! -------------------------------------------------------- I think you folks are reading WAY too much into this thing. Madonna has as much control of the moon as you or I. And her headdress may have been a bit extravagent, but I wouldn't say it's "satanic". If you want to find REAL satanic music, look up the bands Danzig or Mayhem, they make no bones about it, and certainly do not try to hide it. They flaunt it actually. You think the colors used in her wardrobe are satanic? Good grief, those colors are used in high school bands as well as Roman Catholic robes. They have been used in practically everything imaginable. I guess if you wanted to conjur up a color scheme that was "satanic, you might choose black and red, but not gold. Gold actually represents redemption and rebirth in terms of ritualistic color schemes. Then again, many other things are black and red, yet not satanic. As far as the finger thing, I think the chick was upset that they censored her when she uttered the word "shit" in the part of the lyrics she was singing, and gave the network a piece of her mind. There are real and serious things to be concerned about, Madonna's super bowl performance is not one of them. Truly, if you wish to wage a religious crusade against satanic performers and their music, crusade against the bands I mentioned above, along with the rest of their ilk who call themselves "black metal artists". It's not the first time Madonna has been accused of blasphemy. Here "Like a Prayer" vid featured a burning cross, after all.
If you want to see what a real satanic performance would look like, here's Mayhem at an outdoor festival... BOO! I watched the game, but missed the show as I have zero interest in her or anything she does.
Madonna's NFL 2012 Satanic Ritual disguised in the Half Time Show! youtube.com – Madonna's Satanic ritual that was hardly seen my the massive audience of giants and patriots fans. Watch very carefully and take note...You wont believe...
i agree on this one.
sorry, Roman Catholicism is a crypto-Jewish organization [Mystery Babylon The Great - Catholic or Jewish? watch.pair.com ] "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I thought you were a bit clearer headed than that 2012. So singing and dancing is satanic now, eh? I'd say the preachers who spin and tap dance around, with their hands stretched out asking people to send money for Jesus, are the true satanic ones, and their flocks are possessed by demons, especially the ones who black out and/or go into convulsions. In fact, the people who made the video you posted may well be satanic, diverting attention away from the REAL satanists, such as Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, who both desire to start WWIII. Well then, ALL of Christianity is a crypto-Jewish organization, since it ALL derives from Roman Catholicism. In fact, Jesus wasn't a Muslim nor a Christian. He was a Jew, due to the very fact he followed the Jewish Scriptures according to the story of his life, as defined in the NT at least. If you wish to get technical, ALL of Christianity is an abdomination created by Rome. True Christianity died with the Nazarene disciples who were killed by Rome, and was bastardized into Pauline teachings, where Paul was just a Roman puppet doing Rome's bidding.
Bill Graham admits he's satanic, look, he's got horns... God damn it You made me spill my coffee! Christians don't even know their own religion, much less about its history, but they know all about satanism. They'll tell you all about it. They're experts. They know all about rituals, symbols, magic, evocation and invocation, moon phases and what their properties are, all of it. -------------------------------------------------------- Are Hindu's "satanic"??? BTW, did you notice that Freedom4um uses black, white, red, and a hint of gold in its color scheme? You are posting on a satanic website apparently, so now you're a worshipper of Lucifer. Some people feel more comfortable fearing the innocent I suppose, just as many police find it easier to knock down the door of an innocent sleeping family in the suburbs at 4AM than confront armed gangbangers in the hood, day OR night. From the "Look at her arms" part of that video you posted, where they compare it to a Hindu painting, then show an image of the satanic goat, are they trying to tie Hinduism in with satanism? Madonna’s Superbowl Halftime Show: A Celebration of the Grand Priestess of the Music Industry By VC | February 6th, 2012 | Category: Music Business | 463 comments When I learned that Madonna – aka the Grand Priestess of the music industry – would be performing at the Superbowl halftime show, I thought: “This should be interesting”. And it was. While most were amazed by a woman in her fifties dancing around with LMFAO and others were annoyed at her lip-syncing, I was interested with something else: the flurry of symbolism flashed to billions of viewers worldwide. While most considered Madonna’s performance as an entertaining interlude to the most important football game of the year, those blessed with symbol-literacy will probably agree with the following statement: Madonna’s halftime show was a big celebration of the Illuminati industry and of its Grand Priestess, Madonna. A week before the Superbowl, Madonna described on Anderson Cooper the spiritual importance she attributed to her halftime show: “The Superbowl is kind of like the Holy of Holies in America. I’ll come at halfway of the “church experience” and I’m gonna have to deliver a sermon. It’ll have to be very impactful.” It is rather appropriate that this Kaballah-intiate referred to the Superbowl as the “Holy of Holies” as it was the name of the most sacred place in Solomon’s Temple. No one was ever permitted to enter the Holy of Holies but the High Priest. This privilege was only granted on the Day of Atonement, to offer the blood of sacrifice and incense before the mercy seat. Madonna’s analogy was therefore telling of the mindset behind her performance. Let’s look at the main parts of her show......" "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You are posting on a satanic website apparently, so now you're a worshipper of Lucifer. you're hysterical. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Billy Graham is a 33rd degree Freemason.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Uh oh, it looks like Elvis Presley was satanic too... And you're a hypocrite. The colors here are the same as described as the satanic color scheme. So you worship satan since you post here. Go say 10 Hail Marys and you will be all set.
hardly, but at any rate, it's all been a refining process, i guess. "Simon Peter versus Simon the Sorcerer or St. Peter Meets the Competition!! This is a great expose by the late Dr. E.L. Martin. It documents the true history of the Samaritans, the meaning of the word "peter" in the ancient world and the "church" that was established at Rome by Simon the Sorcerer. "But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me." (Acts 8:9-24). Right from the very beginning, Satan had his counterfeit "messiah" operating right in the true Messiah's backyard. His name was Simon Magus or Simon the Sorcerer and this man, and not Simon Peter the Apostle, went on to found the Universal Roman "church." His career was the history of Roman Catholicism in miniature. For a long time he bewitched the people with his false miracles. Since the year 800 A.D., Rome has bewitched the world with her false miracles of transubstantiation. Simon believed and was baptized. Outwardly he was a Christian but his belief was only superficial and he was still a pagan at heart. He coveted the apostolic office and saw the opportunity of using Christianity to make money — a business corporation masquerading as the church of Christ!! From Simon Magus we get the word simony which means to buy a religious office with money. After his encounter with St. Peter, this magician went to Rome and by tricks and false miracles established a "Christian church" in that city. This man can truly be considered as the first of the age long dynasty of Popes —many coming in Christ's name and deceiving many (Matt. 25:5). As in the case of Patrick and Palladius, the arch-fiend Satan took advantage of the similarities of the names to supplant one with the other. We can be sure that Palladius took a big sack of gold with him when he set out for Hibernia. History does not record the encounter between the Roman and the Briton but we can be sure that St. Patrick told him the same thing that St. Peter told Simon Magus: "To hell with you and your money . . . for trying to buy the gift of God......." SIMON MAGUS by Ernest L. Martin What were the origins of Catholic-Babylonian Christianity? What was Simon’s religion before he met Peter? Where did that religion originate? Read in this series of articles the detailed and documented account of Simon Magus and his great COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY! THE FALSE religious system began very early -- almost with Pentecost in 31 A.D. Even in the earliest of Paul’s epistles, he informs us that "the mystery of iniquity DOTH ALREADY WORK" (II Thess. 2:7). Paul wrote this in 50 or 51 A.D. The plot to supplant the Truth had already begun. In the later epistles of Paul and in those of the other Apostles, we find it gaining considerable momentum. However, even though the Apostles discuss the diabolical system which was arising, THEY NOWHERE MENTION HOW IT STARTED. They had no need in mentioning its beginning -- that had already been done! ......." "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I'm not Catholic. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
So what are your thoughts on the band Mayhem? When are you going to go after THEM? Oh of course it's easier to go after one who reveres God in her own way, than it would be to go after REAL satanists, but c'mon, show us how much of a "God Warrior" you REALLY are and go after the blatently blasphemous and vile before you go after a woman who simply sees things differently than you. Well you view yourself as Christian, so that's close enough. If you truly wish to know Jesus, perhaps you should find out about who he really was and what he TRULY believed in...
Simon Magus is another name for Paul of Tarsus...
(Red. Black. Gold. All of the colors used in Madonna’s Half Time Show) Note serpent entwined around the upside down cross, another symbol for a "conquered Christ". http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/satanism_in_the_vatican.htm "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
never heard of them before today....this thread was about Madonna. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Truly, I can see how and why this country is so fucked, and how somebody like Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, or even Mittens Romney could win over an honest candidate with vision such as Ron Paul. It is the massive brainwashing of the populace that takes control when it comes time to do the right thing, where they do the WRONG thing instead. That, and when there's outright fraud taking place in front of their eyes, they might complain a wee bit, but do absolutely nothing to correct it. Instead, they bitch and moan about Madonna's superbowl performance, as if it affects them at all. Well you view yourself as Christian, so that's close enough. close but no cigar. There are millions of good Catholic people who revere Christ in the way they were taught, and I will give them credit for that, but don't call me a Catholic, please. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
So you are admitting that you find it easier to go after the innocent than the guilty, and care nothing about those who DO blatently flaunt satanism in their music and on stage. Gotcha. Every other form of Christianity is derived from those who were considered heretics, as they abadoned the teachings of the church and started their own belief system. So ok, you're a heretic then... You see, labels are easy to toss around, as I'm sure you already know. Because a singer is extremely popular around the world, and performs at the super bowl halftime show, and performs some sexy dance while waving her arms around, well by gosh she MUST be satanic. I'm sure if there IS a Jesus, he must be shaking his head in disbelief that there are those so indoctrinated in their systems of hate and blame, that they'd conjure up such an accusation. MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT: CATHOLIC ... - Watch Unto Prayer The Merovingian Dynasty: Satanic Bloodline of ... - The Merovingians are the offspring of the tribe of Dan which intermarried ..... the Therapeutae of Alexandria and the Essenes of Qumran—apostate Jews who ... watch.pair.com/merovingian.html The Lost Tribe of Dan.... ..... who along with Ephraim, is not mentioned as being sealed by God. ".... 3. Is missing from the 144,000 during the Tribulation And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe[s] of Juda... Reuben... Gad... Aser... Nepthalim... Manasses... Simeon... Levi... Issachar... Zabulon... Joseph... Benjamin were sealed... Revelation 7:4-8 4. Will worship a false god They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again. Amos 8:11-14...." THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN THE EARLY JEWISH & CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Uh huh. That satanic image you posted contains fire, not gold. So any image with fire must be satanic, eh? So you are admitting that you find it easier to go after the innocent than the guilty, and care nothing about those who DO blatently flaunt satanism in their music and on stage. Gotcha. are you serious? I can't keep up with your nonsense on THIS thread! You know so much about them, why don't you start a thread? "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
THE EARLY JEWISH & CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST You worship the anti-christ, Paul of Tarsus. By the way genius, the Jews don't accept or believe in the thought of an "anti- christ", since they don't accept or believe in "christ" to begin with... So any image with fire must be satanic, eh no. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
hey! you just defined the word antichrist. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
the upside down cross, another symbol for a "conquered Christ". Uh huh, and that's another indication you know nothing at all about the history of Christianity, you simply cut and paste a whole lot of crapola from some extreme hard core born again websites. The cross on the back of the Pope's chair is called the Cross of St. Peter, and has existed that way since 200 AD or so. It isn't till recent times that people have used it for satanic symbolism. You worship a man, so you are anti-God. A man is not God.
And BTW, who actually WROTE those books you refer to all the time? Do you even know?
I don't buy it. If Simon Magus is the founder of Gnosticism, it is a radically different view of the divine than is in any of the books of the NT, including Paul. I think Magus was demonized because his sect lost in the political intrigue involved in the compilation of the NT. There were dozens of Gospels (e.g. Red Sea Scrolls), but the bureaucrats of both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches -- VERY closely affiliated with the governments of the time -- only wanted writings and quotes that either supported the ruling class or at least did not obviously upset the status quo, except for the more subtle and symbolic quotes that would go over the heads of most bureaucrats. Paul was of course, a scumbag, and a book burner. I appreciate the earlier link comparing Paul and the Essenes. I've joked that Jesus was Essene and not heard. Vote absentee. It is a paper ballot Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war. It is the massive brainwashing of the populace that takes control when it comes time to do the right thing, where they do the WRONG thing instead. That, and when there's outright fraud taking place in front of their eyes, they might complain a wee bit, but do absolutely nothing to correct it. Instead, they bitch and moan about Madonna's superbowl performance, as if it affects them at all. QFT. I'll say this though: it's a hard program to beat. It took me years of trying to understand this christianity crap before I beat it. But it had to happen that way, otherwise the door would have been left open for me to go back into that crap. Now I know too much for that to happen. Brainwashing is very effective, even to the point where people can totally ignore plain text. It's odd how that works, but it does, and I know that from my own experience. I used to gloss over things all the time, when I read the bible. But a part of it stuck in my mind and pushed me to go deeper. That is what broke the programming. I don't fault anyone for being brainwashed. I fault them for not fighting it. They willfully submit to it. -------------------------------------------------------- I was posting about them as an example of those who truly ARE satanic. They are NOT afraid to let themselves be known. You don't have to look at colors and arm movements to understand who they are. Yet, you go after some woman who happens to be quite popular across the world, who if anything is probably closer to God than you'll ever be. Jealous of her perhaps? There are arguments pro and con related to the claim that they are one and the same person. We can't really know for sure, since throughout history, tyrants burned massive amounts of books and texts and destroyed any evidence they could find which would have exposed the truth of what truly happened thousands of years ago that contradicts what they WANTED people to believe. I found that link years ago, and upon reading up on it considerably, it appears to be the most factual account of how things truly were in the days of Jesus, and what he truly would have taught. Symbolic Pics of the Month (02/12) Vigilant Citizen – February 1, 2012 The first month of 2012 is over and boy did we see Illuminati symbolism across popular culture. Here’s the January edition of Symbolic Pics of the Month featuring Demi Lovato, Nikki Minaj, Beth Ditto, Dakota Fanning and a bunch of fashion shoots. Even Warren Buffett is in there..... "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
The Illuminati does not exist, Madonna is over the hill, and Satanism died with Anton Le Vey, who was about as much of a Satanist as I am.
Serial killer psychopaths ruin families. Corporate psychopaths ruin societies -- Prof. Robert Hare
I don't think I've ever been brainwashed. I believed what I was told to believe when I was a young lad, but upon seeing obvious contradictions, and realizing that I was being lied to, I started to understand that those telling the lies weren't as holy as they claimed to be. Learning of the horrendous tortures inflicted upon those accused of witchcraft, and before that those accused of the crime of heresy by the various Inquisitions, it wasn't a flash of brilliance that led me to see who the REAL satanists were, it was a matter of common sense. Those who commit evil horrendous deeds and claim to be holy and blessed by God are evil and they are liars. I can not and will not believe a word they say. Those who have given the modern world a religion founded upon such evil, and those who accept it, are equally guilty for not seeing it for what it is. So 2012, you haven't answered my question. Is it your contention that Hindus are satanic and worship Lucifer?
The symbolism is interesting. Her Headdress has clearly occultic, even Satanic, overtones. Her Girdle/Belt is reminiscent of a Mason's Apron. There are clearly symbolic overtones in her garb however what they are meant to symbolize and why remains an open question. If I were to take a stab at it, it would be that she is mimicking "The Harlot of Babylon", and perhaps the High Priestess of the Temple of Set. There is clearly an occultic thread which runs through, if not dominates, our self-styled planetary elite. One can see its workings in the operations of NASA as has been pointed out by Richard Hoagland, as well as the timing of crucial invents in world affairs. While I do not share their particular superstitions what is important in observing their actions is that they DO grant these superstitions authority and it is a window into their mindset. I find the dark overtones interesting in terms of ferreting out their mindset and hidden beliefs. Anyone who does not think that the secret societies who are attempting to dominate this planet do not have hidden and veiled beliefs, some of which are quite unwholesome, needs to look up the word "secret" in a good dictionary. Ping. FYI.
Furthermore, one can see what a religion is all about by seeing what it accomplishes. Maybe not all, but MOST Christian denominations' teachings revolve around fear, hatred of the "enemy", anger, and other such negative emotions. I have read that pure evil feeds upon such emotions. Hence, a religion that provokes such emotions is by nature, evil. The same could be said for radical Islam, as well as Judaism. On the other hand, if you view the Essene teachings, or those of Buddhists, it centers around mercy, compassion, and inner spirituality, leading to positive emotions such as joy, love, and hope. I'll side with the positive emotions over the negative any day. So OI, are Hindus satanic?
There is a christian doctrine, that I took seriously, called the "great apostasy". You probably heard of it. Those that committed those horrendous acts were the apostates, and those that didn't were the "elect". I believed that once it was all understood, by disregarding what the modern churches taught and trying to understand it on my own, then I was "elect". But reading the bible without the blinders on disavowed me of that delusion. You saw the lies, as I did. But instead of saying "fuck this shit", I went looking for the answers. I didn't set out to leave christianity, but that was the end result. -------------------------------------------------------- One of the things I find interesting in looking at this subject is the connection to Intelligence Agencies. Aleister Crowley worked for British Intelligence. Lt. Col. Aquino was in Army Intelligence. Tying that to the Laurel Canyon series with its reflections on Satanistic Ritual and Sacrifice - as well as a multitude of connections to the the Intelligence Apparat the murky dark swirls become interesting - in a macabre way. Other disparate elements that can be tied in is such as Robert Heinlein and his increasingly open references to Satanic lore in his last several books - beginning with "Stranger in a Strange Land". He was known to be a member of OTO and appears to have had connections to American Intelligence - he lived within a short drive of the CIA's former movie studio. Then they (the minority churches) should remove the "christian" label. Either you take the bible for what it is, or you don't. This picking and choosing cafeteria christianity crap doesn't work any more than the fundamentalist view(s). I have read that pure evil feeds upon such emotions. I don't believe anything is "pure evil", or "pure good". I can't think of one thing that is pure evil or good. Not even love fits that description. -------------------------------------------------------- Uh huh. So do you have any images of a High Priestess of the Temple of Set to compare Madonna with? Here's one, and I don't see any similarity. The woman is typically naked during these rituals from what I've read. No, they are, from a Christian's perspective, Pagans. Hinduism has a lot of interesting references and its origins are lost in the distance of time, but there is nothing particularly evil about mainstream Hinduism, and in fact it is a very peaceful religion even if not all of its followers are, but then the same can be said of many mainstream religions. Christianity had its "Crusades", Islam Conquered North Africa and the Middle East, and on and on through many different beliefs and sects. Religion is not necessarily evil - however some belief systems practice degradation and worship those impulses and such which most decent people regard as evil. They are destructive of the spirit and promote beliefs which result in degenerate societies. There is however a dark and evil thread in what is called the Satanistic beliefs that run back through Babylon and to sects in Egypt as well. Pure evil is actually disembodied negative energy, that has sentience of its own. Some might even call it satan. Well then, you should probably rethink what you wrote, since Madonna is using Hindu imagery, not Masonic or satanic. I am familiar with the photo and its provenance - which was from "The Church of Satan" operation in L.A.. Sexuality, in a degraded and salacious form, is a frequent and recurring theme is much of Satanist practice. However, I don't think that "Prime Time" is ready for the High Priestess to be symbolically taken on the altar at the Superbowl Halftime. That absence does not vitiate the obvious symbology that was present. If that is your belief, then that is your belief. -------------------------------------------------------- Thing is, it was the religious leadership who ordered and approved of those acts. The "flock" went along with it of course, lest they be on the receiving end of the various medieval torture devices in use at the time. So Ben Hur was actually a satanic movie, since they wore similar outfits as Madonna? Maybe Russel Crowe is a High Priest of Set, since he played in that movie Gladiator, eh? Again, can you find any examples of Masonic or satanic regalia which demonstrate any similarity with the outfit Madonna wore at her SuperBowl performance?
References? Support? I am not coming at this with any particular hostility - more as an exercise in analysis. I am not particularly fond of Satanism and its offshoots because they are destructive and degenerate in practice and deed. That is why they offer forth such an effluvium of disrepute. From my point of view people are free to believe as they wish but that does not mean that there are not implications to a given belief system and consequences and actions which flow forth from it. Maybe, to an extent. But each is responsible for their own actions. If someone ordered you to stretch someone on the rack, or to tie them to a post and burn them alive, and to do it over and over again, would you say "fuck you" and tear that assholes head off his fucking neck, and you yourself prepare to die, or would you cooperate? I think a lot of them got off in doing these things. Even the flock would turn in their personal enemies for this treatment. -------------------------------------------------------- I am not writing a treatise. The symbolism of her headdress is clearly fire and two horns. Those would appear to my eye symbolic of Occultic beliefs attached to Luciferian/Satanic belief systems. This is observation nothing more. Ditto the resemblance of the Girdle/Belt to a Mason's Apron. Symbology is an interesting study in and of itself and I do not claim any great expertise in it. Those are simply my observations of what her symbolic attire implies in my admittedly limited store of knowledge on the subject. The other image her headdress evokes is the Phoenix Rising from the fire.
I would escape such an insane society if I could. Otherwise, I'd go out with a bang, and make sure they kill me quickly and decisively before they had a chance to "work their magic" on me. I think a lot of them got off in doing these things. Even the flock would turn in their personal enemies for this treatment. Yep. "....This show was jam packed with Illuminati and MK ultra mind control symbols. Check out the article. They are doing things right in front of people's faces knowing the majority are fooled. Madonna has shown who she works for from the start: "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I think you folks are reading WAY too much into this thing. i agree on this one. I don't. The symbolism can't be denied. I seriously doubt it was all just a coincidence. I know it is hard to believe people actually worship the devil, but they do. God is always good!
Her headress more closely resembles a Hindu headdress. Her accusers also mention her arm movements, which are also quite similar to Hindu symbolism, in fact the video 2012 posted even illustrates that fact. I suppose people see their biggest fears in anything that is foreign to their own experience. The "girdle/belt" as you call it looks nothing at all like a Masonic Apron BTW... Here's an image of George Washington wearing one. You better start burning all your 1 dollar bills since it has that Masonic Pyramid on the back. If you don't the devil will get ya.
I get rid of all of them as soon as I get them. I never keep them around, I give them away for real things of value as you should too. If I had my way my pay would not be dollars but in silver or gold. I certainly do not care for Fed dollars in the least. God is always good!
So were the Romans really closet Masons? And oh lookie, that Roman soldier is wearing those satanic colors, red, gold, and black. Jesus H Christ, I thought I had seen it all, but I guess there's new surprises each day that passes. Yep, this country is seriously and irreversibly screwed. Please forward all of them to me if you'd like to get rid of them quickly and effortlessly. I'll setup a PO box where you can send them to. And I'll pay for the postage and handling via PayPal to make it even easier for you. And please feel free to get rid of all those ungodly fives, tens, and twenties. Thanks. As much as Madonna certainly loves controversy, I seriously doubt she was trying to entice anyone with "satanic" symbolism. Like I said to OI, people see their own biggest fears in things they aren't familiar with. There is nothing evil or satanic with anything she did or wore. There is PLENTY of evil and satanic things to be concerned about, yet neither her nor her performance are one of those things. Did you miss the video I posted illustrating the deeds of that band Mayhem at an outdoor performance where thousands of kids were there? Now THAT is something to be concerned about, as it is ongoing, and kids are getting into that sort of thing as we speak... whoa...... I didn't see it, but now that you mention it..... Death of the Phoenix, Final Act For the United States of America ".... The original design submitted for the Great Seal of the United States depicted the Phoenix in a nest of flames. This pagan symbol was discreetly changed to the eagle to obscure its occult symbolism: the planned destruction of the United States of America. Also engraved on the Great Seal was the six-pointed Seal of Solomon, which symbolizes rebirth. That the Seal of Solomon is also the Star of David on the flag of Israel reveals where the “New Order of the Ages” will be reborn. Moreover, the Judeo-Masonic Seal reveals that the New World Order envisioned by the Judeo-Freemasons would be the Jews’ “New Jerusalem”:...." To justify the destruction of the USA, the Zionists must now portray America as “Babylon the Great” collapsing under the wrath of God, per Revelation 18. Surely, “Ichabod,” which means “the glory has departed,” could apply the United States in its degenerate condition today, yet the propagandists never mention that the Jewish-owned and controlled entertainment media has led the United States down the broad road to moral destruction. Moreover, the Zionist cabal must incite the people of the world against Americans so that when their beloved country falls, the world will rejoice, never suspecting the truth. Which is why the ubiquitous propaganda mills on the Internet continuously revile the USA as “Babylon” and even gloat over its imminent demise. In 1921, Henry Ford exposed this shell game in his powerful expose, The International Jew: “It is a most important consideration that most of the national animosities that exist today arose out of resentment against what Jewish money power did under the camouflage of national names. “‘The British did this,’ ‘The Germans did this,’ when it was the International Jew who did it, the nations being but the marked spaces on his checker board. Today, around the world the blaming word is heard, ‘The United States did this. If it were not for the United States the world would be in a better shape. The Americans are a sordid, greedy, cruel people.’ “Why? Because the Jewish money power is centered here and is making money out of both our immunity and Europe’s distress, playing one against the other; and because so many so-called ‘American business men’ abroad today are not Americans at all - they are Jews. “Citizens wake up with a start to find that even the white nations are hardly allowed to see each other nowadays except through Jewish eyes. Great Britain and France seldom see a special American spokesman who is not a Jew. That may be the reason why they reciprocate by sending Jews to us, thinking perhaps that we prefer them.” (The International Jew : Chapter 1) This strategy has succeeded to the point that International Jewry now controls the governments of the world. By “International Jewry” is meant the high cabal of Jews who designate themselves the Learned Elders of Sion or, alternatively, the Priory of Zion or Prieuré de Sion. Under the direction of this high cabal of International Jewry is a global network of Masonic societies. The term “Judeo-Freemasonry” describes this network of secret societies more accurately than “Freemasonry” because it conveys the reality that these fraternities, the majority of which are comprised of Gentiles, are under the covert government of B’nai B’rith, which is under the direction of the Learned Elders of Sion of the 33º. [See: The Synarchy: "Judeo-Christian" Theocracy Fronts for International Banking Cartel....." http://watch.pair.com/death-phoenix.html ================== Gog and Magog Towards the head of the procession you will see two stern but benevolent wicker giants. They are Gog and Magog, the traditional guardians of the City of London, and they have been carried in the Lord Mayor’s Show since the reign of Henry V..... The statues of Gog and Magog currently standing in the Guildhall were commissioned from sculptor David Evans after the previous versions were destroyed in the Blitz. The phoenix shield tells us that this is Magog..... [They fixed it so I can't copy the image anymore...see here:] "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Satan on Our Dollar! The Masonic Seal of America "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
No, they are not horns. This is what a horned helmet looks like. I suppose the Vikings and Norsemen were all Beezlebub worshippers too, eh? If anything, her headdress appears similar to something worn by the Egyptian goddess Isis. Now hard core christians might see that as pagan, but it's certainly not satanic. Or you could join the Infamous Satanic "Oh Noes Not That" Illuminati. Yeah, I know, that happened pretty much after the "burning times". The problem is in getting people to acknowledge these things. Indisputable and open facts do not work. They get ignored, and if it's pushed, they get pissed off without explaining why they are angry. The good thing is that they are losing their grip on society. They have to have many programs just to get people into the churches, like sports, bingo, whatever; and hopefully to keep them there. I'd say that the church is just about dead. I can hear the death rattle. But that doesn't mean that people won't use "god" to rule other peoples lives. We'll still have the "values voters", because they are authoritarians at heart. -------------------------------------------------------- So you use satanic money, you post on a satanic forum (colors red, black, white, and gold), and live in a country founded by satanists. Each word you type here is another step towards hell, and if you've already typed over 666 words, you are doomed to burn for eternity. Hallelujah, Lucifer has snagged another one. since music stars have been admitted occultists for years this doesnt surprise me.To the scoffers,who think that the devil is not evil or doesnt exist,& that rulers arent evil,or that Jesus isn't God, all I can say is that youll have a very rude awakening
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
And oh lookie, that Roman soldier is wearing those satanic colors, red, gold, and black. Check out that Horse Tail on the helmet [or is it the horse's mane?]....connect the dots: "....E. The Eagle 1. Tribe of Dan "Dan's position in the journey was on the North of the Tabernacle, with Asher and Naphtali. The standard of the tribe was of white and red and the crest upon it an eagle...Jacob had compared Dan to a serpent. Ahiezer substituted the eagle, the destroyer of serpents, as he shrank from carrying an adder upon his flag." [Unger, p. 273] 2. Freemasonry "... [priests] after the Order of Melchizedek ...were the immortals to whom the term 'phoenix' was applied and their symbol was the mysterious two-headed bird now called an eagle, a familiar and little understood Masonic emblem." [Hall, p. 108]....." http://watch.pair.com/dan.html MORE Symbols of the Tribe of Dan DAN A SERPENT Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way Gen 49:17 ...that biteth the horses heels ["biteth" = usury; "heels" might = rear flank of an army] HORSE [see the Mane/Tail] Dan took the eagle as well: "...Matthew 24:28 - 'For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.' http://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_theological.html We have the Roman/Rothschild eagle on the CorpUSA flag as well and Zionized Churches display it on their altars: "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
you really don't have a clue what you're talking about.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
And so will you my friend, so will you... In fact, to claim Jesus is God is a sin, in direct violation of the 1st Commandment... Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me The very religion of Christianity violates it's own primary commandment from God Himself, according to its own holiest book, the Bible. Myself I believe in God, but a God much grander and mysterious than a single man who lived and died two thousand years ago, if we can even believe the people who tell us that he did in fact exist, or said and did the things they claim. In my experience, such people are deluded, scared of what they can't understand, and hide their fears in religion. Facts be damned, faith in a tale is all that matters. So now you're claiming the ancient Romans were either all Masons or devil worshippers, eh? People such as you crack me up. I delt with holy rollers when I was a teenager, I loved to laugh at their idiocy. Righty oh there skippy, just keep praying to a wooden cross, and watch out for those dollar bills as they'll burn your fingers. In fact, you should leave the country since we are all secretly Masons. I bet you didn't know that did you. It's all a dream ATKHWD, and when you wake up, you'll find that YOU are the HEAD MASON. What bothers me the most about all this is that hordes of tards and nutters will be demanding someone be virtually drawn and quartered for daring to put on this show, which if anything was a bit risque, but certainly wasn't evil or satanic in any way, shape, or form. But just like the hordes who demanded witches be burned in the past, they won't relent until "something is done" here. Perhaps next year for the Superbowl halftime show they'll have videos of Tammy Faye Baker singing some righteous gospel songs or something... "In Freemason Bibles, which is basically the King James Bible, except on page 33 of the Freemason Bible, it informs the reader that Lucifer is the real God & that Lucifer is the real Jesus and also according to this Freemason Bible, it is indeed Lucifer that is the carrier of light. So, these people are masters at double talk and hiding their worship of Satan behind Christianity." I own a King James Bible. Are you telling me that this is a satanic bible? BTW, I worked in the entertainment world and much of what you posted is true. I was exposed to it for 21 years. In order to become very successful in the industry, you give up something to the talent agencies. Your soul, your dignity and self-respect. I left when the time afforded me to when things started getting really bad.
Ah yes. If we could only revert back to the gentle music of my youth..... Or the lullabys of my childhood ..... Before all this silly symbolism got in the way.
a little reminiscent of the High Priest's breastplate as well. "...Upon the breastplate were set four rows of precious stones, three in each row,...." www.phoenixmasonry.org/ma...igh_priest_brestplate.htm "... A week before the Superbowl, Madonna described on Anderson Cooper the spiritual importance she attributed to her halftime show: “The Superbowl is kind of like the Holy of Holies in America. I’ll come at halfway of the “church experience” and I’m gonna have to deliver a sermon. It’ll have to be very impactful.” It is rather appropriate that this Kaballah-intiate referred to the Superbowl as the “Holy of Holies” as it was the name of the most sacred place in Solomon’s Temple. No one was ever permitted to enter the Holy of Holies but the High Priest. This privilege was only granted on the Day of Atonement, to offer the blood of sacrifice and incense before the mercy seat. ...." vigilantcitizen "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Jesus IS God. what part don't you understand? "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Thank you...occultpopagenda.blogspot....rship-high-priestess.html
In fact, to claim Jesus is God is a sin, in direct violation of the 1st Commandment... I agree with you. Jesus himself said he was the son of God, and trust me he understood what the term son means. Jesus did not lie, he would have told us if he were the father. he worshiped on Saturday to talk to his father when he was on a mountain top God parted the clouds and spoke to the man who was with Jesus and said this if my son Jesus said about the crucifixion, "if this is your will father". If you have a seperate will then you are seperate beings... the father and the son He said his father was the greater. I really don't think Jesus was in the habit of talking to himself, so he was talking to God But since he is the son of God, what species is he..... well he is god....lower case since his dad is God and also a god then Jesus must be a god If you go to mars and stay in the orbiter and you send your son to the surface, if the martians ask your son what he is, he can say that he is human. Yet they can also say that you are human. It really is that simple. But the truth is, Jesus was not God the father come to Earth, he was the son (also a god by birth) of God and he spoke to his father regularly, which would have been quite psychotic if he were the father. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Says who, you? He was born 2000 years ago. The 10 Commandents came a thousand or so years earlier. Even then, MEN wrote the words within the Bible, not God. It was quite advantageous for the Israeli kings and high priests to have people take their word as that of God Himself. NO MAN has the authority to speak for God, not you, not some cash hungry "evangelist", and not some Jewish "scribe" thousands of years ago doing the bidding of his king. You're a very deluded individual, and unfortunately, there are MANY more like you who are tearing this country to shreds, and who will more than likely elect a TRULY evil man who WILL be akin to your "anti-christ", who WILL bring about the end of the world as we know it and spread misery and suffering throughout each corner of the planet. Black Sabbath and other bands of the era were not satanic, they actually crusaded against war and those who WERE evil. The song War Pigs and Mr. Crowley come to mind... The bands I mentioned belong to the "black metal" genre, and they openly praise satan and other demonic entities. Imagine my shock when I found out you lied and twisted what was said. She said the SUPERBOWL is like the "Holy of Holies" in America, sure, but she was speaking about the game itself. The Jews knew He was claiming to be God the Father. That's why they picked up stones to throw at Him. But He "hid" Himself, passing right through them, revealing Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Oh is it? Do you even have any idea at all what the Kaballah is all about? Believe what you want, as long as you don't harm anyone else. But when you smear a person who has not harmed anyone, for your own enjoyment or gratification, well, that demonstrates what sort of person you truly are and who you truly serve.
Then explain to me who he was praying to on Saturday and who he talked to when they crucified him. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
it's demonic and it's one of the jooos black majic book It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Sabbath's N.I.B. is pure evil, it's like satan's calling card. Why haven't any of you RSVP'd? What are you, a bunch of faithy-clingy terrorists? "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Fairys wear boots, now don't you believe me? It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
I agree with you. When Ozzy wrote suicide solution he was talking about the evils of alcohol and other things. They were not evil people, they detested war thats why the lyrics described it so badly. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
I agree with you. When Ozzy wrote suicide solution he was talking about the evils of alcohol and other things. They were not evil people, they detested war thats why the lyrics described it so badly. Sabbath were always warning us about the danger of crossing over to the dark side: After Forever (embedding disabled...) "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
One of my favorites by Black Sabbath > It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
"treating people like pawns in chess, wait till their judgement day comes" Ozzy, talking about war of the elite in the song above. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
I strongly suggest you listen to "War Pigs" by Black Sabbath and you will clearly see their distaste for the evils of war and that God is going to judge the rulers poorly.... Great song!
It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
who is your god? because you and i are speaking apples and oranges. you are a non-believer in the God of the Bible, JESUS who said He was the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last. we could just leave it at that. there's not much point in arguing any further. i doubt you and i will ever see eye to eye.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved? "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Great lyrics :)
It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
One would be hard pressed to find any evil intent, anyway.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Yes, no Wordsworth or Earnest Hemingway but possitive lyrics non the less. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
I tried yelling a few Ezra Pound stanzas over a Melvins intro and only succeeded in breaking an end table.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Another random datum - Masonry, the Hebrews, and the Old Testament have one certain thing in common - they all originated, as far as they can be traced, in Egypt. Two unanswered questions: Where and when did Masrony originate? All we really know is that it is verrry old. I have seen assertions that it goes back to Atlantis. Similarly where did the Hebrew People originate? We know of their coming out of Egypt but where did they come from before that? You are welcome, and thank you for the interesting link.
That's what you get for pounding. The Melvins, aren't they alien invaders from another world or are they preachers. I never can get it straight. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
The One(s) who created the Universe. Who is yours? A guy you read about in a book written thousands of years ago by people you personally deplore. True, if one is to believe the NT, which itself is of dubious origin. I was born and raised Roman Catholic so I do agree with you in that is what is actually the creed and core of Christianity, that Jesus was the SON of the Father. Yet, we are told by some rather obsessed individuals that no, he was the Father Himself. What it comes down to is ultra fanatical bible huggers believe whatever they wish to believe, and damn anyone who doesn't agree with them. My belief is that the true Creator has nothing at all to do with those beliefs, and that those beliefs are simply the rantings of individuals who need to worship a man because they can't fathom what an entity who transverses space and time and who could create space and time itself would actually be like. Nope. It's supposedly the "unwritten book" of the Jewish faith, where adhering to its teachings will bring a person closer to God. In fact, in various Christian beliefs there is a notion of a "Guardian Angel". That Guardian Angel is the part of a person's soul which is actually in the other realm, call it heaven if you wish. It is the part of the soul that is in contact with the Divine. The ultimate goal of a Kabbalist is to make contact with that higher self, the Holy Guardian Angel. Southern Yemen. And they did not speak Hebrew, which was yet to form. Arab folk history from ancient times attribute the S Yemen Jews as the domesticators (sp) of the camel. And OI, as you know, these statements are made in the provocative mode, because at these distances in pre-history, any affirmative statement is provocative. Anyway I think I just made up that grammer. Well just don't let Gamma' hear you taking the name of grammar in vein like that. I respect your beliefs, but when I read that he fed 5000 with just a little bit of food and that he made the blind see and all the other miracles that are backed up by the people who hated him (the Pharisees), who said that his father Lucifer gave him those powers. There were far too many witnesses to these miracles done by a man and the people who hated him did not dispute these "magic tricks". So I have come to believe there is a lot more to it than "just some book". Mere mortal can not do the things that were reported by many that Jesus ( real name Yashua sp?) did. Our creator sent a man he created hence "his son" to help guide us and he knew the demons (Cains seed) would kill him. His teachings are in line with the greatest minds man has had to offer on how to live life in a harmonious way that would lead to a utopia if people were willing to follow his teachings. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Yep bad all around. I was talking about Gamma Rays, but nobody is going to believe me much, here, any way. The researchers that have read the other "holy" books of the jooos like the Talmud say that the Kabbal is a demonic book. This is a fairly extensive group of people who back this up. Stan Monteith, Texe Marrs, Rev. Ted Pike.... I could go on and on.... It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
So the author of your link equates Egyptian mythology with satanism, eh? I suppose to a hard core "christian", anything other than bible related stuff is "satanic". What is also absurd is his equating the "High Priestess" of the Tarot deck with Aleister Crowley, since Crowley did not invent the Tarot deck. Regardless, the Tarot deck did not exist in the days of the Egyptians. Oh, and I was right about the Isis resemblence apparently. Her headdress was not similar to a horned devil, it was similar to a headdress worn by Isis in Egyptian lore, who was not an evil entity, but a person who could be equated to the Mother Mary in Christian lore. In fact, it has been claimed that the Christian notion of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost derives from the Egyptian notion of Osirus, Horus, and Isis. And oh yeah, the "mystery" of the Holy Ghost is that it is the female aspect of God. The people you list, with the exception of Texe Marrs, I have never heard of. What I know of Marrs is that he appears to be a lunatic and a deceiver of the highest order. He may in fact be a true satanist. Here's a link if you care to find out for yourself what the Kabbalah is about. People can claim whatever they wish to claim. In other words, some TV or radio personality could claim that the US Constitution is actually a demonic manifesto, but would anyone in their right mind believe them? Some people claim that Ron Paul is a nazi and a racist, but does that make it true? The thing about Marrs is that like many other deceivers, he mixes a bit of truth in with his own flavor of deceipt. So sure, like some people say about Alex Jones, he provides a bit of truth in what's called "limited hangout", then spins some tales of his own and since he's told SOME degree of truth, people think EVERYTHING he says from that point on is ALSO true.
And of course, the Kabbalah more than likely is a Jewish extension of even earlier "mysteries" taught in eastern mystery schools, which may date back to Sumeria or earlier.
I realize I am wasting my time and yours sorry. It won't happen again
It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Did you know that the Torah, which consists of the first five books of the Old Testament, is actually the holiest of Jewish books? I don't give any credence to the Talmud, it is just the rantings of various rabbis. The Torah however is said to contain the mysteries of the Universe, hidden by coded Hebrew which can be deciphered using a profound understanding of Gematria. I don't read or understand ancient Hebrew nor am I familiar with Gematria beyond a rudimentary understanding of it, so I couldn't tell you one way or the other if it's indeed true. I'm sorry, I thought we were having an interesting discussion. I guess I won't let that happen again either since you feel that way. Were you there? Is everything written by the jooos true? Did Moses really part the Red Sea, or did the joooos lie about it? His teachings are in line with the greatest minds man has had to offer on how to live life in a harmonious way that would lead to a utopia if people were willing to follow his teachings. Yeah, just look at all the good that the European christians performed, such as the gouging out of human body parts, burning people alive, gruesome mutilations, fear and loathing, war, stuff like that. Look at the great stuff they did when they came to America, the rape, genocide, and extermination of the Native Americans, the lynchings, the wars, yep, highly enlightened stuff that is. Imagine my shock when I found out you lied and twisted what was said. She said the SUPERBOWL is like the "Holy of Holies" in America, sure, but she was speaking about the game itself. Imagine my shock when you lied and twisted what was COPIED FROM THE TEXT. The box is black so sorry, I can't watch it at the moment. My computer was barely moving yesterday. I have come back to delete windows to see if I could make it go faster, and ran across this bit on the Essenes I found of interest: ".....Who is Hiram Abiff? Pg 108 Who is Hiram Abiff? Pg 133-134 Who is Hiram Abiff? Pg 138 Who is Hiram Abiff? Pg 140 Who is Hiram Abiff? Pg 142 HOLY GRAIL & KABBALAH www.thedyinggod.com/grail ......" littleguyintheeye.wordpress.com/tag/tribe-of-dan/ [huge article...i've hardly touched it] "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I would be the first to claim that, and no, most people in their "right" mind would not believe me. Some people claim that Ron Paul is a nazi and a racist, but does that make it true? I like Ron Paul, always have, but he does have an interesting family tree. mylesohowe.wordpress.com/tag/newt-gingrich/ One can't choose one's family, but what was that Patrick Henry said about wanting to know the truth, and preparing for it. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
In fact, it has been claimed that the Christian notion of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost derives from the Egyptian notion of Osirus, Horus, and Isis. And oh yeah, the "mystery" of the Holy Ghost is that it is the female aspect of God. in masonic/gnostic belief, maybe. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Look at the great stuff they did when they came to America, the rape, genocide, and extermination of the Native Americans, the lynchings, the wars, yep, highly enlightened stuff that is. were YOU there? how do you know they were CHRISTIANS that did this? you only have what MEN wrote. how do you know they were telling the truth anymore than the men who wrote the Bible? Look at the First Virginia Charter. There was a MUSTARD SEED of Christians, and the rest were MERCHANTS looking to get rich. The world was NOT enlightened back then....it was in darkness, which is where it seems to be heading now with the demons in charge. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
The One(s) who created the Universe. Who is yours? A guy you read about in a book written thousands of years ago by people you personally deplore. How'd you find out about your god(s)? Read it in a book somewhere or did you create one to your liking? I do not deplore the ancient Israelites. They were Lost Sheep, as are a whole lot of us. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I don't know, but I think you see evidence of it in Ezekiel 8. Similarly where did the Hebrew People originate? We know of their coming out of Egypt but where did they come from before that? I'm not sure I know, I'll have to think on it. I do know God took Abraham out of Ur of the Chaldees [?]. I'm in a hurry, things to do and places to go, and trying to get back to intotheabyss to make a stab at trying to answer his question. I WILL think on it, though. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Hmmm.
He was trying to convert you. You were trying to de-convert him (imo). But it is evident that you have done some studying on this. However, most satanists do not believe in a literal satan. Others do, but some equate ancient egyptian, or sumerian, or other deities to this "satan". Very few take their ideas of satan from the bible. The ones that do are the ones that make the news. If the church says satanists are evil, then they will be evil, because that is what everyone expects them to be. They don't know any better. All they know is they hate the church. There is no such thing as being The True Satanist, because it's an individual path, not a group path, and individuals vary in their beliefs. -------------------------------------------------------- In other words, you believe in a mish-mosh, just like everyone else.
Then explain to me who he was praying to on Saturday and who he talked to when they crucified him. I finally had to shut down my computer and reboot in order to answer this, which is one of the most important questions anyone could ask. I can't answer it fully at the moment, because I am pressed for time and working against things I can't explain, but hope the following will help you to see, until I can tackle this in depth. Thanks for bringing it up. My first thought was a great article I read once [I'll get back to that later] and this passage [as if Isaiah 9:6 didn't say it all :} ]: "Jesus EMPTIED Himself...." Jesus as Man was speaking to Jesus the Father [read on and hopefully you will understand]. When they crucified Him, He was fulfilling Psalm 22: http://kingjbible.com/psalms/22.htm . "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9). The fact that Jesus is God is as firmly established in Scripture as the fact that God is one. [ see bible.cc/mark/12-29.htm ]. The Bible teaches that Jesus is fully God and fully man. .... The Old Testament Testifies That Jesus Is God 1. Isaiah 9:6 is one of the most powerful proofs that Jesus is God: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father The Prince of Peace." The terms child and son refer to the Incarnation or manifestation of "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father." 2. Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah would be called Immanuel, that is, God with us (Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:22-23). ....... Jesus has a dual nature. He is both Spirit and flesh, God and man, Father and Son. On His human side He is the Son of man; on His divine side He is the Son of God and is the Father dwelling in flesh. ..... Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father....... American Standard Version but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; bible.cc/philippians/2-7.htm / http://kingjbible.com/philippians/2.htm If you can get http://blueletterbible.org to work [I haven't been able to ever since they "improved" it several years ago], look at Isaiah 9:6, hit the "K" [I think] to the left of the verse, for TREASURY OF SCRIPTURE KNOWLEDGE, and study what's there: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/isa009.html Part of why He was praying to the Father, imo, is that He was setting an example for us. Furthermore He spoke in parables, for a reason, and maybe He did this for the same reason [but I don't know]: Matthew 13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. ....... http://kingjbible.com/matthew/13.htm I hope this helps somewhat. I have places to go, but you have made me determine to expound on this subject, although I am not an expert on it, and I will learn more as I go along. Thank you! ============================= "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father The Prince of Peace." p.s. I think there is a bit of a conspiracy in the KJB on that word "Wonderful"...elsewhere as well. Sometimes it is treated as an adjective in Isaiah 9:6, and it is not; it is one of His names. The KJB uses the word "secret" in place of "Wonderful" here: bible.cc/judges/13-18.htm / http://kingjbible.com/judges/13.htm Note the "Angel of the Lord" is speaking to the parents of Samson, who are DANites [or at least one of them was]. Note they worshipped Him. That "Angel" was the pre-incarnate Jesus, the same one who wrestled with Jacob, and the same one that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. ================ edit: And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God. And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. bible.cc/exodus/33-20.htm No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. bible.cc/john/1-18.htm "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
There were 3 Jewish sects at the time of Jesus' life. They were the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Essenes. Those who lived in Nazareth were predominently Essene, and were called Nazerenes. Out of the three sects, they were the ones who were the most spiritual, whereas the Sadducees were the elite ruling class, and the Pharisees the high priests and rabbis who followed the Talmud. The Essenes forbade the consumption of animal flesh, and were against slavery and animal sacrifice. They possessed spiritual knowledge well beyond that known by the other sects, and led monastic lifestyles. Your smearing of them tells me a lot about what you're all about. Thing is, Jesus was most likely an Essene, since not only did he live where the Essenes were the predominent sect, but his message of love and forgiveness is that of the Essenes, not the other two sects. The others were war like and participated in animal sacrifice, and had no concept of "love and forgiveness", rather they believed in "an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth". sharonkgilbert.com/?p=1722 Madonna’s Black Mass, New World Order Rite in Diana’s Place Published by Sharon at 1:49 pm under Connecting Dots,Illuminati,Video UPDATE: In the original version of this post, I linked to a YouTube copy of the halftime show, but as of today (2/7/12), it’s been taken down for copyright infringement. As someone who writes, I can understand the NFL choosing to do this, so I’ll not complain. I hope most of you had a chance to see the video. — SKG Here’s what happened on the night of Sunday, February 5th, 2012 in Indianapolis, on the 39th parallel: Last night’s epic ‘war’ between the Patriots (those who hope to prevent the New World Order) and the Giants (the Overlords, or even the Biblical Nephilim) drew, according to NBC’s estimates, 111 Million viewers. This 111 number represents, not only a perverse sort of trinity in occult circles, but is also a shorthand way of saying ’666′. As these 111 Million sets of eyeballs stared at the civilized warfare (interrupted over and over by beer and wild women), we overindulged in celebratory food, beer, and comradery. This shared experience thrills those who believe in a global consciousness, and the halftime show provided this Earth mind moment with 13 minutes of black magic to ‘seal the deal’. Certainly, anyone who has seen Elizabeth Taylor’s spectacular entrance into Rome as Cleopatra in the movie of the same name recognized the pageantry as a pale imitation of that iconic moment. Echoing Cleopatra, Madonna entered the arena in her own golden chariot, drawn by Roman soldiers (ushered in by war). The singer wore an odd headdress that looked very much like a stylized goat’s head, while the rest of her costume was pure Roman soldier (except, of course, for the 5 inch stiletto boots). So, we see ‘Madonna’ (the Virgin Mother) representing Egypt’s Cleopatra (who embodied Isis, mother of Horus/Osiris). The first song (Vogue – lyrics here) begins with this ‘daughter of men’ cavorting with a winged being (one pair of wings on his back, another on his feet, and a lyre in his hands). This could be Mercury, or it might also represent Lucifer/Saturn/Satan. Once this initial dance is over, the ‘Madonna’ then dances with all the ‘creatures’ (one looks like he has a goat head, another is part cheetah/leopard, one appears to be a snake, and the Virgin ‘rides’ him). This is a deliberate picture of a Genesis 6 style orgy! As the Vogue number has ‘impregnated’ the Virgin Isis/Semiramis, the number ends with a pose, and the lights reveal a winged disc (the Egyptian sun symbol). The orgy continues now, enjoining the world to do the same–through Music. (Music – lyrics here). Performers from Cirque de Solei (circle of the sun) join Madonna as well as the rap duo LMFAO (if you don’t speak ‘internet’, this is an acronym for Laughing My F-ing A_ _ Off — apologies for the language). All the dancers are dressed in animorphic attire, almost as if animals and humans have interbred. Hmm… These combination creatures (chimeras) also wear Egyptian and Roman dress (the high wire man is wearing a short toga–careful there!), and they also wear capes (indicating superhuman abilities). Ending this portion with the lyrics “I’m sexy, and I know it”, this Virgin/Whore now demands worship. The scene shifts to a cheerleader number. Dressed in white and red, the ‘vestal virgins’ join in worshiping their queen of heaven. This is a highly erotic, lesbian orgy, and Madonna is joined by two other females singers (M.I.A. and Nicki Minaj – note that her name reminds of us ‘menage a trois’. MIA, by the way, offered a middle finger to her audience–thanks so much for that!). The song is from Madonna’s latest albun (MDNA), called Give Me All Your Love – lyrics here. The white of the women’s attire represents purity, but the red (centered on their vital organs) reminds us of blood and sacrifice). The world is expected to love and worship this Isis/Semiramis/Whore of Babylon, and we are expected to love her unto death if required. Enter the marching bands–each from one side, merging in the center. The platform bears numerous stars (pentagrams), but the center where they meet is a laurel circlet with a round white circle inside, and within that ‘orb’ is a red circle with the ‘M’ of Madonna inside–by the way, ‘M’ is shorthand for ’13′, since it is the 13th letter of our alphabet). This central imagery looks like a blood red eye (HORUS, the child), and above it is a CROWN. The bands are like warriors from the east and west, merging at the center of the New World Order for s staged battle. The next song begins: Open Your Heart – lyrics here. although, this is a very short excerpt of the song, the words speak of a forced worship/love and of finding a key. Curiously, this is a song of unrequited love–a sad, lonely woman, who has lost the love of the world (the WHORE is rejected by the warring ‘Beast’, portrayed by Cee Lo Green, who carries a large scepter. He is the ‘Priest/King’, and he subdues the Harlot. Perhaps, the song is truncated because the war is short, and the Harlot, along with her followers must now worship the Beast (Horus/Satan). The stage morphs into the setting for the final scene, and the lights show us a ‘black sun’. The imagery here is one of sacrifice, this time it is the Woman who must die. We see a chorus in black and white, led by the Beast, now robed as a priest. Two women (one on either side of the Woman) turn away as if to show rejection as the Beast Priest steps forward (just after Madonna sings, “and it feels like home”). The two now stand, side by side, as if in agreement. The platform rises into the air while the chorus dances and sings with them. (In the midnight hour, I can feel your power, just like a prayer, I want to take you there…I hear your voice. It’s like an angel sighing. I have NO CHOICE. I hear your VOICE. Feels like FLYING. I close my eyes, O God, I think I’m falling. Out of the sky, I close my eyes. Heaven help me!) As she sings these lyrics, the light show forms a black, swirling pit (like a black hole–ABYSS) below the stage. This odd ‘black hole’ fans out as the choir sings (It’s like a dream to me!), slowly forming the nations of the world. Madonna leaves the platform, climbing up the upstage stairs, leaving the ‘Beast’ in sole control of the New World Order. The camera now centers on Madonna (Isis/Semiramis/Whore of Babylon), who has climbed into the stars. She repeats ‘Life is a mystery. Everyone must stand alone. I hear you call my name. And it feels like…[Here, she disappears, falling into the stars]…HOME. The World Religion, led by the Woman who once rode the Beast is sacrificed, but she lives among the stars. [Let me also point out this very interesting tidbit: This was Superbowl 46. There are 46 chromosomes in the human genome. The GIANTS won.
The God I believe in is the one who created everything which exists or ever existed. You should use a bit more respect. As far as the plural form of the word God, let me refresh your memory a bit. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. You see, in Hebrew the word Adam is not a person's name. It is a word which means Man as in "mankind". Thus, God has two aspects, masculine and feminine. This can be seen in nature, where all living things are either masculine or feminine, or a combination of both. So it wasn't just Man that was created that way, it was ALL creatures. Even physical forces have duality, such as electricity (positive and negative), magnetism (north and south polar orientation), temperature (hot and cold), etc. I found my way to God through prayer, and by way of spiritual knowledge gained by both prayer and study. I do not blindly accept the word of various nutters who formulate their own religion based upon their own prejudices and delusions, unlike some people you might personally know. As far as who you deplore and who you don't, it's quite obvious you detest Jews. More specifically, you detest everything Jewish, yet you cling to words written by Jews as if they were from God Himself. Well, it's CLAIMED that Jews wrote the NT. In reality, most every book in the NT was penned not by the disciples, but by others who used the names of disciples. Various sections of those gospels have been added, modified, or deleted over the course of time. This can be verified by the fact various older copies of the NT are different and have entire passages missing, modified, or added when compared to newer versions. Neither the Romans nor the Egyptians worshipped Lucifer. Lucifer is a Jewish/Christian invention. Why do you hate Madonna? What is it about her that makes you folks wish to dump on her and accuse her of being a satanic witch basically? Do you want her burned at the stake? Would that satisfy you? People who outright worship satan, and there ARE obviously some who do, ARE "true satanists". Those who worship the Egyptian deity Set are ALSO "true satanists", as Set was the Egyptian devil. The first verse of Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;" Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Say that to a LaVeyan satanist. See what they say. Satanists can be just as dogmatic as fundy christians. They can be just as closed minded as anyone else. They can be just as authoritarian. They can demand others believe as they do, or else they are idiots. They say as much, in the open. It's these that aren't the "true" satanists. Anyone can be a "high priest/priestess". All it takes is a good case of delusions of grandeur/napoleon complex. Satanism can be, and is on the whole, just as fucked up as christianity. Some delude themselves into thinking they are on the left hand path, but they are really on the right hand path. -------------------------------------------------------- Oh and BTW, Isis is about as much of a whore as the Virgin Mother. The Whore of Babylon does not equate to Isis, it equates to the Jewish character Lilith. Coincidently, Lilith is the name of the High Priestess of Set, the wife of Army Col. Michael Aquino. You wish to change the meaning of "satanist". You'd like it to mean "enlightened", "agnostic", and whatever other flowery adjectives you enjoy. However, it was and is a description of a person who actually worships an evil deity named satan, and who revels in discord, evil, and chaos. Being anti-christian is of course a prerequisite, but not all those who are "anti-christian" believe in satan or have any desire to commit evil deeds. Perhaps you should change your terminology to "anti-christian" in describing your philosophy, lest people think you actually worship the devil, as that is the generally accepted definition of the word "satanist". A satanist worships whatever is of value, mostly his or her self. Look up the root for worship to see what it mean. Groveling, it isn't. What you are doing is taking the christian definition and characteristics of satan. That's fine, just so you know what you're doing. As for Aquino, you can talk to him at the 600club. He posts there. So you don't have to talk about him. Go to the source and read what he has to say instead of depending on others. -------------------------------------------------------- I know enough about Aquino to know that I would rather not speak to such an evil cretin. Yes, look up the root for the word "satanist". You'll find that it is "satan". CHILD ABUSE AT THE PRESIDIO Then you depend on others to tell you what to think. I'll let you in on a little secret: your opinions are just as valid as anyone elses. There is nothing special about anyone elses opinions or allegations. If you come to your conclusions on your own, after weighing all you can know, then fair enough. But for someone that has already said that the church lies, you are placing a lot of value on what they say. -------------------------------------------------------- Puritans were "christians". Do you know of ANY early settlers who were NOT some form of Christian? As far as Europe, just look at European history. Look into the Inquisitions, the Crusades, the myraid number of wars, and the history of early Christianity in regards to Rome and how they purged the Jews and other religious sects. Look at the persecution of Galieo, and other visionaries. As far as America, look at the Salem witch hunts. The people who perpetrated the horrific deeds upon those accused were not Muslim, Jews, or Buddhists. They were CHRISTIANS. Where there is smoke there is usually fire when there are multiple victims and they all tell similar tales, and there is physical evidence of sexual abuse of toddlers. Their stories are bizarre, but that's what provides a layer of deniability for the perps, since not many would believe such stories of young children being forced to play "poop games" and other such depravity. Actually, I was just trying to educate him and have a conversation. Apparently I hit a raw nerve or two. They're called catholic priests and cardinals, and bishops, and popes, and Penn St coaches. But as usual, they blame satanists for their own 'christian' crimes. And it's damned effective. It keeps the christian program from crashing. As for that preschool case that you might be referring to, they did investigate, and looked for the tunnels etc. Nothing was ever found. Unless you think that They / ALL OF THEM were In On It. -------------------------------------------------------- I have never said others don't commit child abuse. Thing is, the Presidio case wasn't just a case involving demented individuals having sexual pleasure with children, it was satanic RITUAL ABUSE performed as a means of fullfilling their religious "needs" by a high ranking US Army officer who was involved with military intelligence, specifically "psychological warfare".
Oh, you're confusing the Presidio case with the McMartin Preschool case Since you are talking about another case entirely, it's obvious you haven't read the San Jose Mercury Times article I posted concerning the Presidio. Here's some further reading for you. It is a series of articles meticulously sourced and referenced to various news reports.
Yep. That was my reaction when I read the actual text of the 10 Commandments. I've read it, in the past. I reread it to refresh my memory. What was the outcome? Nothing. Allegations do not equal convictions. It looks like Aquino was only a bit player in this story. Did he do it? Hell if I know. Did others do it and he was aware of it? I wasn't there. Kids were evidently sexually abused since STDs were involved, but who was responsible? Again, if you say Aquino was and They covered it up, then there must be a lot of Them on the payroll. But Aquino was an easy target. -------------------------------------------------------- To all who are so riled up and concerned about the "Whore of Babylon", perhaps you should find out who REALLY is involved with such activities, rather than dumping on a pop star who performed a sexy dance in a Roman/Egyptian costume during the Superbowl halftime show... The odd beginning of Ron Hubbard's career At least several of the children refered to him as "Mikey" and his wife Lilith as "Shamby", and identified his house correctly. It was at his house that at least some of the abuse occured, as alleged by the children. BTW, if you noticed, none of the reports or articles I posted in regards to Aquino and associates originated with "the church". How was it alleged? Kids will tell you what they think you want to hear. Were they taken by the house and asked if that was it? Questioning kids can be tricky. Failure to consult with abuse experts haunted the case. By the time the children had been in therapy long enough and felt comfortable enough to talk about some of the more bizarre aspects of the case, Gray was adamant that she could not take such things before a jury. "She sat right here on that couch and said she couldn't take that before a jury," said one mother. Again, I don't know Aquino. I've read some of his writings, but that is all I know of him. All I know is that there was a "satanic ritual abuse" scare in the 80's and 90's, that at one time I took seriously. I don't anymore. Because it went nowhere. All they had were allegations, whereas there is definite proof of organized catholic sexual abuse of children. And just because some allegations have some odd elements does not make them more believable. Remember Anita Hill and the pubic hair on the coke can nonsense? -------------------------------------------------------- In a Temple of Set newsletter sent out two months after the search of his home, Aquino accused Adams-Thompson, who is an assistant chaplain for the Army, of trumping up the allegations as some sort of Christian vendetta "Also relevant is his profession as a Christian clergyman; I certainly doubt that he would have made such an outrageous accusation against any Lieutenant Colonel who was not known to be a prominent Satanist" -------------------------------------------------------- From the San Jose Mercury Times article; "Yes, that's Mikey," the 3-year-old told Adams-Thompson. After being taken outside, the girl added, "he's a bad man and I'm afraid." As they were leaving the parking lot, the Adams-Thompsons saw Aquino's wife, Lilith. Larry asked the child if she knew the woman. "Yes, that's Shamby," the girl said. The family went home and called the FBI. When interviewed by authorities the next day, the girl identified Gary Hambright from a photo lineup and said she had been driven to Mikey and Shamby's home by Hambright. There, she said, she was abused by Hambright, Mikey and Shamby in a room with black walls. She said that she had been photographed. She said Hambright and Mikey were dressed in women's clothes and Shamby was dressed in man's clothes. The investigators drove her to Leavenworth Street in San Francisco. The girl was asked to identify any of the houses that she had been to before. While walking past 2430 Leavenworth, the girl identified the house as the one where she met "Mikey" and "Shamby." It was the Aquinos' house. The Pedophocracy, Part III: Uncle Sam Wants Your Children August 2001 "It should come as no surprise, then, that long- time CIA and ‘intelligence complex’ operatives turn up on the FMSF Advisory Board. Perhaps the most public member has been Dr. Louis Jolyon ‘Jolly’ West, a legendary figure in CIA mind control circles operating out of UCLA. Another is Dr. Martin Orne, an authority on torture who currently works at the University of Pennsylvania’s Experimental Psychiatry Lab … Still another false memory luminary is Margaret Singer, professor emeritus at the University of California-Berkeley." One of the names raised at the Bonacci trial was that of Michael Aquino. Aquino is the ‘High Priest’ and chief executive of the Temple of Set, an overtly satanic cult that split off from the Church of Satan in 1975. Besides tending to those duties, Aquino also has occupied his time serving as (according to an official biography once circulated by the Temple) a “Lieutenant Colonel, Military Intelligence, U.S. Army.” Aquino was accused in court by the mother of a victim as being a key player in a nationwide pedophile ring. Paul Bonacci himself has also positively identified Aquino as an associate of King, known to the children only as 'the Colonel.' King's personal photographer has identified Aquino as the man to whom he saw King hand over a suitcase full of cash and bonds. The photographer, Rusty Nelson, also has said that King told him that Aquino was part of the Contra guns and cocaine trafficking operation run by George Bush and another notorious Lt. Col., Oliver North. Aquino has also been linked to Offutt Air Force Base, a Strategic Air Command post near Omaha that was implicated in the investigation by the Franklin Committee. He was also claimed to have ordered the abduction of a Des Moines, Iowa paperboy. This was certainly not the first time that Aquino had been implicated as a key figure in large scale pedophile/child pornography rings. In July of 1988, not long before the King and Spence cases broke, the San Jose Mercury News ran a lengthy exposé on the Presidio Child Development Center run by the U.S. Army in San Francisco. Allegations of abuse being perpetrated at the center first emerged in November of 1986. Alarmed by accusations made by her child, a parent had sought a medical examination which confirmed that the three- year-old boy had in fact been anally raped. The boy identified his rapist as 'Mr. Gary,' a teacher at the center named Gary Hambright. Even with the conclusive medical evidence, “it took the Army almost a month to notify the parents of other children who had been in 'Mr. Gary's' class that the incident had taken place.” Within a year, at least sixty victims had been identified, all between the ages of three and seven, and further “allegations would be made by parents that several more children were molested even after the investigation had begun.” Amazingly enough, the center remained open for more than a year after the first case of abuse was reported, though the Mercury News noted that “day care centers under state jurisdiction are routinely closed when an abuse incident is confirmed.” And this was considerably more than a simple abuse incident that was confirmed. The stories told by the children implicated many other perpetrators besides Hambright. They also told of being taken away from the center to be abused in private homes; at least three such houses were positively identified. They also told of being forced to play “poopoo baseball” and the “googoo” game – 'games' that involved the children being urinated and defecated upon, and being forced to ingest urine and feces. Many of them also spoke of having guns pointed at them and of having been told that they and/or their parents and siblings would be killed if they told anyone what had been done to them. Despite the mounting number of victim/witnesses, and the numerous crimes alleged by these children, it was only Gary Hambright who was arrested - on January 5, 1987 - and he was charged with abusing just a single child. And even then the charges were dismissed just three months later, in March of 1987. There is little doubt that literally dozens of children were in fact severely abused at the center. There was irrefutable medical evidence to document that fact. Five of the children had contracted chlamydia, a sexually transmitted disease; many others showed clear signs of anal and genital trauma consistent with violent penetration, which authorities chose to ignore. One mother complained to the San Francisco Chronicle that the FBI never interviewed her or her son, even after doctors had confirmed the boy’s abuse. There were unmistakable psychological signs as well. As The American Journal of Orthopsychiatry noted in April of 1992: “The severity of the trauma for children at the Presidio was immediately manifest in clear cut symptoms. Before the abuse was exposed, parents had already noticed the following changes in their children: vaginal discharge, genital soreness, rashes, fear of the dark, sleep disturbances, nightmares, sexually provocative language, and sexually inappropriate behavior. In addition, the children were exhibiting other radical changes in behavior, including temper outbursts, sudden mood shifts, and poor impulse control. All these behavioral symptoms are to be expected in preschool children who have been molested.” The journal article, written by Diane Ehrensaft, Ph.D., also noted that: “The Presidio case has confronted both the public at large and the mental health community with an extraordinary and abhorrent situation of grave psychological proportions: the willful molestation of young boys and girls by representatives of the most patriarchal and supposedly protective arm of the American government – the U.S. Army.” The article further noted the nearly homicidal rage provoked in the fathers of the children abused in this way, as they saw the investigations of the crimes perpetrated against their children stonewalled and covered up. One father is quoted as saying: “When something about the Presidio comes on TV, I want to blow someone away.” Another father echoed this sentiment: “I was ready to blow the army base away.” One of those who the fathers would have liked to blow away was Michael Aquino, along with his wife Lilith. One child positively identified the pair, known to the kids as 'Mikey' and 'Shamby,' and was also able to positively identify the Aquino's home and to describe with uncanny accuracy the distinctively satanic interior of the house. The young witness also claimed to have been photographed at the Aquinos' home. On August 14 of 1987, a search warrant was served on the house. Confiscated in the raid were numerous videotapes, photographs, photo albums, photographic negatives, cassette tapes, and name and address books. Also observed was what appeared to be a soundproof room. Neither Aquino nor his wife were charged with any crimes, nor have they been to this day – a fact that Aquino claims proves his innocence. The next month, a fire - which the Army deemed to be accidental - destroyed the Army Community Services Building adjacent to the Presidio's day care center. Strangely enough, “the fire occurred on the autumnal equinox, a major event on the satanic calendar,” as the Mercury News noted. The fire also destroyed some of the center's records. “Three weeks later, fire struck again, this time at the day care center itself.” A building that housed four classrooms, including that of Gary Hambright, was completely destroyed. Investigators from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms determined that “both fires, contrary to the Army's finding, had been arson.” In between the first and second fires (with evidence indicating that a third arson attempt had been made as well), Hambright was again indicted, this time charged with molesting ten children. In February of 1988, all but one of the charges were dropped. Shortly thereafter, the remaining count was dropped as well, and Hambright was a free man once again. No further charges were brought against him. In January of 1988, Aquino filed suit against the Army to have it cleared from his record that he had been investigated as a suspected pedophile. According to court records, he also had the gall to charge “Captain Adams-Thompson [the father of a victim] with conduct unbecoming an officer because the Captain reported the allegations of child abuse to the San Francisco police.” In denying Aquino's motion, the court concluded that “there was probable cause to title Aquino with offenses of indecent acts with a child, sodomy, conspiracy, kidnapping, and false swearing,” despite the fact that “the San Francisco police department (SFPD) closed its investigation and filed no charges against the plaintiff or anyone else.” Aquino and various of his defenders have consistently claimed that no one was ever prosecuted in the case due to a lack of evidence – proof that the entire affair was no more than a ‘witch hunt.’ Of course, the failure to prosecute the federal charges could also be due to the fact that, at the time, the U.S. Attorney in San Francisco handling the case was Joseph Russoniello. Russoniello would later be identified by reporter Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury News as a player in the Contra cocaine smuggling operation led by Lt. Col. Oliver North and company, just as witnesses would later identify Lt. Col. Michael Aquino as an operative in the very same sordid affair. It always helps when your legal ‘adversaries’ are actually on your side. In May of 1989, Aquino was again questioned in connection with child abuse investigations; this time at least five children in three cities were making the accusations. The children had seen Aquino in newspaper and television coverage of the Presidio case and immediately recognized him as one of their abusers. Three of the children lived in Ukiah - former home of the People’s Temple - where Police Chief Fred Keplinger was overseeing the investigation of the allegations. The Mercury News quoted the chief as saying that “the children are believable. I have no doubt in my mind that something has occurred.” Aquino was also identified by children in Santa Rosa and Fort Bragg. In the Fort Bragg case, “allegations of ritual abuse erupted ... in 1985 when several children at the Jubilation Day Care Center said they were sexually abused by a number of people at the day care center and at several locations away from the center, including at least two churches.” Aquino was identified as having been at one of those churches. The Mercury News also reported that there was clear evidence of satanic cult activity on the grounds of the Presidio base, including an abundance of satanic graffiti, a satanic altar, and numerous artifacts of satanic rituals. A former MP at the base is quoted as saying: “We were sitting there, we've got a cult on the Presidio of San Francisco and nobody cares about it ... We were told by the provost marshal to just forget about it.” On April 19, 1988 - the eve of Adolf Hitler’s birthday, and seven years to the day before the Oklahoma City Federal Building would explode, allegedly due to an act of ‘domestic terrorism’- an open-house was held on the grounds of the Presidio heralding the opening of the new day care facility built to replace the fire-damaged Child Development Center. As a final note on the Presidio case, a report in the Marin Independent Journal revealed that Aquino owned a building in Marin County - inherited from his mother, Betty Ford-Aquino - that had been jointly leased to the Marin County Child Abuse Council and Project Care for Children. The stated purpose of Project Care was, interestingly enough, to assist parents in locating day care for their children. As disturbing as the Presidio case was, it was just one of many ritual abuse cases directly tied to one or more branches of the United States armed forces. As the Mercury News reported: “By November, 1987 the Army had received allegations of child abuse at 15 of its day care centers and several elementary schools. There were also at least two cases in Air Force day care centers,” and another in a center run by the U.S. Navy. In addition, “a special team of experts was sent to Panama [in June of 1988] to help determine if as many as 10 children at a Department of Defense elementary school had been molested and possibly infected with AIDS.” Yet another case emerged in a U.S.-run facility in West Germany. These cases erupted at some of the most esteemed military bases in the country, including Fort Dix, Fort Leavenworth, Fort Jackson, and West Point. Many of those making the accusations were career military officers who had devoted their lives to unquestioned allegiance to the U.S. armed forces. Many would resign their posts in outraged protest. It would be redundant to review all these cases, as most of them followed a remarkably similar pattern. Given though that West Point is America's premier military academy, and given also that the case - like many others - was linked by witnesses to the Presidio, a brief review is warranted here. As The Times Herald Record reported in June of 1991: “The incidents [at the West Point Child Development Center] unfolded against a backdrop of satanic acts, animal sacrifices and cult-like behavior among the abusers, whose activities extended beyond the U.S. Military Academy borders to Orange County and a military base in San Francisco, parents charged.” The case first broke in July of 1984, when a three-year-old girl found herself in the emergency room of the West Point Hospital with a lacerated vagina. She told the examining physician that a teacher at the day care center had hurt her. The next month, the parents of another child leveled accusations of abuse at the center. As the Mercury News reported: “By the end of the year, 50 children had been interviewed by investigators. Children at West Point told stories that would become horrifyingly familiar. They said they had been ritually abused. They said they had had excrement smeared on their bodies and been forced to eat feces and drink urine. They said they were taken away from the day care center and photographed.” Despite abundant medical and psychological evidence, and literally dozens of child witnesses, and despite “950 interviews by 60 FBI agents assigned to the investigation, an investigation led by former U.S. Attorney Rudolph Giuliani produced no federal grand jury indictments,” according to the Herald Record. The Herald also noted that: “In 1987, Giuliani said his detailed investigation showed only one or two children were abused.” This was, it should be noted, a bare-faced lie from the fascistic future-mayor and would-be Senator, as the Herald report divulged: “a still-secret, independent report - produced by one of the nation's top experts on child sexual abuse - confirms the children's accusations of abuse.” This was not the first time that the prestigious academy had shown an appalling willingness to overlook extreme levels of abuse directed at children by army personnel. A year before the abuse case broke, a 22-month-old child was murdered by an Army staff sergeant. The Mercury News reported that: “After a court martial hearing, the sergeant was given an 18 month suspended sentence and dishonorable discharge.” In other words, he served no time and was essentially given a free ride for murdering a child. With help from Giuliani, the FBI, the U.S. Army, and the grand jury, the abusers of countless children at the day care center (which was, appropriately enough, building number 666 on the academy grounds) were likewise given a free ride. As with the Franklin case, the children and their parents were to find justice only through the civil courts. The Herald Record reported that: “lawyers for both the government and the 11 child plaintiffs agreed that some children were sexually abused at the center two years ago” (again contradicting Giuliani's bogus conclusions). The government, however, claimed that it could not be held responsible, due to the “assault exemption in the Federal Tort Claim Act.” As the New York Times explained: “under federal law the government cannot be held liable for assaults committed by its employees and thus cannot be sued for assault.” In other words, the Army did not dispute the allegations, it just rather cavalierly maintained that it was exempt from being sued. The court saw otherwise and awarded $2.7 million to nine of the child victims – paltry compensation for their suffering, but a victory of sorts nonetheless. The Times opined that the settlement amount “was large for a child-abuse case in which no criminal charges were filed.” The article claimed that the failure to prosecute the case was due to the fact that “the Federal Bureau of Investigation found ‘insufficient evidence to prosecute,’” when in fact the Bureau appears to have deliberately ignored and/or covered-up that evidence. And so ended the West Point case, except that - as one mother noted - it was hardly over: “These people stole our children. She's nothing like she used to be. She's a very angry little girl. She doesn't trust anyone. She's nothing like she was before this happened. It's never going to be over for them, or for us.” The mother of a Presidio victim had this to say: “People keep telling us we've got to let it go -- just forget about it and go on ... Three weeks ago, our youngest daughter was having nightmares and our other daughter was closing out the whole world, going to her room and siting there, with no radio, no TV, no nothing. Tell me it's over.” “I cannot accept promotion in a system that at first refused to acknowledge and now refuses to deal with the victims of extensive child abuse that occurred at the West Point Child Development Center.” Army Captain Walter R. Grote, refusing a promotion to Major in June 1985. Grote referred to his protest as a “fight for the human rights of all children.” REFERENCES: Just for shits and giggles, did you know that Anton LaVey was Jewish? Also, did you know that on his death bed he had some serious regrets: It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
By Linda Goldston Lt. Col. Michael Aquino, a satanic priest who was investigated in connection with the sexual abuse of children at the U.S. Army's Presidio of San Francisco, has been questioned about the abuse of at least five children in Sonoma and Mendocino counties. Aquino and his wife had been under investigation since August 1988, when the 3-year-old daughter of an assistant chaplain at the Presidio accused them of sexually abusing her. Keplinger declined to discuss the details of the investigation but said, "the children are believable. I have no doubt in my mind that something has occurred. It's just being able to prove who the perpetrators are." The Army broadened its investigation to Sonoma and Mendocino counties after children there recognized Aquino during television and newspaper coverage of him and the Presidio case. Was the DAs office In On It? Again, only allegations, no trial(s). And the only charges were dropped, twice, and Aquino wasn't even the one charged. Again, I say I don't know him. Maybe he did it, maybe not. I"m not going to give him a pass just because. But I am not going to say he did it just because there are allegations. If he was a pedophile, he'd still be doing it. AFAIK there is no stopping them, short of imprisonment or at the end of a rope. Are there any more recent allegations? NOt that I know of. -------------------------------------------------------- I’ve known quite number of Christians that were very decent people. The very few Satanists that I’ve encountered in my life and all of the ones that I’ve encountered in writing were assholes. (You’ll forgive any sins in sampling error I commit here.) This is explicable in that, by all accounts, the story of Satan is in essence one of rebellion, and the Satanist is in creed and practice, whatever that may be, a perpetual adolescent. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built. There are always those that rebel. Like the poor, they are always with us. And, as far as we can see, that is how it ever will be.
I’ve known quite number of Christians that were very decent people. The very few Satanists that I’ve encountered in my life and all of the ones that I’ve encountered in writing were assholes. (You’ll forgive any sins in sampling error I commit here.) This is explicable in that, by all accounts, the story of Satan is in essence one of rebellion, and the Satanist is in creed and practice, whatever that may be, a perpetual adolescent. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built. There are always those that rebel. Like the poor, they are always with us. And, as far as we can see, that is how it ever will be.
Fundamentalism defined. The correct plural is "assholies". Much of this thread reminds me of the following Trading Spouses episode... www.youtube.com/watch? v=q3mDLsyn6ns Embedding disabled, so I linked it. Dependable? If you are depending on them to commit mass murder (fuck that, lets just call it genocide) then they are dependable. They have proven their dependability many times. Christians don't build civilizations. They destroy them. They'll destroy this one too, if they get their way. Christians didn't "defer gratification of their natural desires". They call those natural desires "sins" and think people are going to be tortured in hell for them. To a christian, it is a sin to be human. What other religion says people are born in sin? Only a jew could come up with something that twisted. They had to have faith in the future, because the present sucked. -------------------------------------------------------- Good to know. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Not always true. Look at France, England, and Italy. Look at Canada, and the US up till the end of the 20th century. They built some pretty impressive cities. I’ve known quite number of Christians that were very decent people. Likewise. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built. Not only that, but truly peaceful and benevolent societies may have perhaps lived the utiopian dream, but throughout history, any such society was eventually anhilated due to the very fact their doctrines were of of peace and non-violence. It led to their downfall due to barbarians who would rape and slaughter their people and pillage their lands. That is why a religion such as Christianity was necessary, as Christians believe they can kill if their government tells them to, and have no qualms defending themselves with deadly force if needed. It is of course contrary to the 10 Commandments and the teachings of Jesus, but if their religious leaders tell them it's ok, then all that is tossed out the window. I didn't say that Christians were better than anyone else. They are probably no more or less barbaric than the other civilized peoples on this planet. They were, however, successful in building a hugely dynamic and productive civilization. For better or worse, they have carried Western Civilization forward. "Satanists," OTOH, haven't done shit.
Pagans built some nice cities too. It doesn't take christianity to build a city. Nothing much good has come from christianity, or any of the other "abrahamic" religions. Contrast those they built with those they destroyed. But, jesus loves you. lol -------------------------------------------------------- Western civilization has advanced in spite of christianity, not because of it. Otherwise, owning a telescope, or a bible in your own language, could get you into some trouble with the PTB. -------------------------------------------------------- She's been a proud jezebel for as long as I can remember.
Which ones? I mean, recently? Actually I would not rate her quite that high. Depraved and Degenerate come to mind as ready adjectives. Also PsyOps. Her performance had to have been scripted with the delivery of specific messages to particular audiences depending upon a person's level of knowledge and awareness. Her book "Sex" gives some insight into her true level of dark depravity. What kind of "recent" cities are there? They've been around for a while now. I'm not really sure what you're getting at. But: Contrast that with Londoners literally throwing their shit out the window onto the street 1500+ years later. -------------------------------------------------------- A nice summation. And to the Satanist "ethic" we could also add a depraved and degenerate even unto hatred, for others. It is ultimately a complete, or nearly so, avoidance of responsibility. One could call it rebellion, and in a way it is, but rebellion against what? Decency? Honor? Regard for the welfare of others? Satanism is basically a nihilistic philosophy which seeks to avoid reality and responsibility for one's actions. While moral codes can, and often do, become twisted over time in their best form they are the condensed wisdom of a culture as to what is beneficial for the individual AND the society. Thus the prohibitions of out of wedlock birth which has a very real, and is thus very practical, implication for the unwed mother. We can see in our current culture that unwed mothers most often live in poverty, excepting inherited wealth and the occasional actress or other such very high income earning woman, and their life choices are very constrained, if they have any decency, by the need to care for the child. And I agree with your general assessment of the personality characteristics of Satanists. I have been acquainted with a few and most can most charitably be described as personality disordered assholes. I recall one such acquaintance from my days in the service who one of the Psychs, not that I care for Psychs but that is another story, classified as a "Psychotic Shithead". Well at least she's not nearly as depraved as THIS women...
OI, not EVERYTHING you see is a "psyop". If anything, the elite would like to silence people who promote world peace, such as Madonna. You really have me scratching my head over this. Satanic ritual military music sports industry psyop. What's not to understand? OI, not EVERYTHING you see is a "psyop". If anything, the elite would like to silence people who promote world peace, such as Madonna. You really have me scratching my head over this. No, not everything is PsyOps and I have never said it was. However, we are bathed in Psych manipulation to such a great extent that to some degree people have tended not to notice, or it blends in, because it IS present in a very large degree. Read the "Laurel Canyon" series sometime and look at some of the other outside research that has been done on how the popular culture is manipulated. I am not a "stick up my ass" Christian who is trying to enforce my personal view of morality on others, but that Christian morality, much of which is good and wholesome, is one of the things our power elite is busily trying to destroy because it runs counter to their plans for social manipulation and the normalization of perversity - such as has already been done with homosexuality. When I say that the PsyOps manipulation of our culture is pervasive I am not kidding. Once you are sensitized to it and start looking and analyzing a lot of it, not all, starts popping right out at you. The ghost of Sigmund Fraud and his ill begotten nephew Edward Bernays must be suffering gales of laughter about now. This imposition has not grown up overnight but it has been increased tremendously through the control of the popular media. Compare and contrast 1950's and early 1960's television with the manipulative schlock that is on the air now. I could spend a couple hours just analyzing and documenting the different types of manipulation, citing specific examples, were I inclined to take the time. I just find it a more profitable use of my time to exhort people to think for themselves - learn basic logic, and research, read, and research some more. One of my favorite examples is the less than amazing Randi and the so-called "Skeptics". While some of them are just suckers parroting the lines they've been fed at its core are series of potent memes: That is before we get into the specifics of what they say on any given topic and why. (Hint a lot of it comes out of places such as Langely Virginia and Tavistock, and no I can't prove it with a smoking gun, but that is my studied opinion after years of looking at it and analyzing it. The different threads from a multitude of different sources makes proving it an arduous task - which also requires stripping away a lot of false data from the minds of the audience.) As for "World Peace" the NWO is promoting "World Peace" from their perverted point of view. Of course if that means enslaving 99% of the population after killing off 85% of the population - well hey, "you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs". True. If anything, much of anything majestic built in the Middle Ages were either churches, or government buildings. Science and ingenuity were tossed aside till the Renaissance, and sanitation didn't make a comeback till the 1900's. That's why they had so many plagues till then. So all sports are "satanic" too now, eh? All music is satanic, right? I didn't take you for a fundie, at least now I know. What's not to understand? True and obvious to those sensitized to look for it and can spot it, but it is a matter of viewpoint, knowledge, and awareness. As Historian and Documentarian James Burke pointed out: So, it someone does not know it exists they don't see the blatant manipulation and it just becomes an outre' Rock Star putting on a performance and all of the symbolism, and buried memes, seep in unfiltered and even unnoticed. Madonna is not a satanist nor an atheist. She is more spiritual than many if not most on this board, if she does indeed follow the Kabbalah. Music and eroticism in and of itself is not evil. Wanton murder and destruction IS. And that is what many of these so-called devout "christians" condone and support. Ye shall know them by their fruits... And once I again I need to bring up the fact that you folks hop all over a pop star with idiotic accusations, much like the rable of demon possessed self- righteous folks who perpetrated the witch hunts of the 1600's, yet fail to identify and condenm those who truly ARE evil and twisted, such as the "black metal" bands I mentioned, and those such as Marilyn Manson, who views himself as the anti-christ.
Do some reading on the history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. The Gladiatorial Games (think NFL) served a social function of keeping the Plebes (the common people) diverted from the society's decadent ruling classes and the collapse and degadation of the society around them. Commonly referred to, derisively, as "Bread and Circuses". No, not all, but there is a large component there. Certainly classical music is not, but in the manipulated popular culture? Yes, a lot of it is, even if one just prefers to use the less charged term of degraded and destructive. Satanic though is a useful label as it encapsulates, and communicates, a lot in that short term. With that sort of philosophy, I'd think you'd be afraid to get out of bed in the morning lest some demon might jump out from under it and eat you. Using the term "satanic" in such a generic way, to mean virtually anything you personally find distasteful, dilutes the meaning of the word. When I use the term, I MEAN what it truly implies, and that is that it refers to those who DO in fact worship satan, and relates to the deranged and twisted actions they commit in satan's name. I could say "Jesus camps" are satanic, as they twist the minds of young children and I find that distasteful, so it must be satanic, if I were to stretch the meaning as much as you. To me, this girl seems demonically possessed... Define "many". Many is a generalization. I could just as easily point out that "many" Christians do not support such horrors. In fact most of the support comes mainly from the manipulated, misled, and thoroughly controlled Kristyun Zionists who number an estimated 35 million or so in the U.S.. Given that about, by survey, 90% of ALL Americans think of themselves as Christian 35 million is at best about 1/6th and even among them are those who reject the horrors of these endless wars for NWO dominance. I have never said that people cannot be misled nor that ALL Christians are truly good people. However, "many" of them, IMHO, ARE good people. How many supported GW Bush and his crusade against the "muzzies"? How many have voted for Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney, or Newt Gingrich? How many wish to bring about Armageddon so they can get "raptured" a bit sooner than later? He is a head-scratch inducer. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a rock concert is just a rock concert. I remember an interview with Ozzy some time ago. He is the self-proclaimed "prince of darkness". However, he also said that it is all an act, that the person on stage is not the real person, that no one on stage is as they are in real life. It's a show, no more and no less. Are there "real" satanists in music? Probably some. Manson is a COS "high priest", which is a joke since a person can buy a priesthood there. They use him like scientology uses Cruise and that other dumbfuck that I can't think of his name right now. Some of the "black metal" bands might be satanists. I don't know. I don't care much for that genre. My guess is that there aren't many. They are playing to their audiences. Some see satanists behind everything. There aren't that many of us; and there is no real "us" since generally speaking we are not a group, but individuals. I've never met one in real life, and I doubt those that claim they have. -------------------------------------------------------- Your point? Even a lot of Christians find the Scofield Fundies objectionable in their behavior. One might call it "Bizarro Christianity". Christianity, while having at its original core a good many sound and decent philosophies, is subject to distortion and perversion over time by societies termites. Not to cut this short but I have some things to attend to. However, I know religion is charged subject for you, as it was with my mother so I am used to dealing with it, but for a time try to separate the religion and its philosophy from the practicioners who pervert it for whatever reasons or demons of their own. Trite and cliche. The converse is also true - sometimes it is not just a rock concert. Context is all, and the message delivers what it delivers. Trying to create a fog of confusion is certainly one way to try to obscure a concept or idea. All I ask of people is that they think for themselves. When I am presented with trite cliches and catchphrases then I know reason has fled the room. I am not the one accusing people of being satanic, although I have pointed out some who openly are. I am simply trying to educate you and others here that your fears in this particular matter are unfounded and unwarranted. During the course of the thread, there has been much back and forth concerning religious philosophy. What it comes down to is, don't jump in the fire if you can't stand the heat. There is profound wisdom in those cliches, and that is why they are immortal. Jesus loves you
You're lost in your own fog of confusion. But if you want to see satanists behind everything, knock yourself out. All I ask of people is that they think for themselves. That is a blatant fucking lie. If others don't agree with you, they are spreading disinfo, and/or on .gov payroll. You and Alex Jones are 2 peas in a pod with that "think for yourself" crap. -------------------------------------------------------- There is profound wisdom in those cliches, and that is why they are immortal. Not to be argumenataive, not moi, but sometimes a cliche is just a cliche. ;-) You're lost in your own fog of confusion. But if you want to see satanists behind everything, knock yourself out. How nice. Another attempt to put words in my mouth by exxagerating the point to the level of creating a Strawman Argument. Did I assert my case as a universal? Again distorting my position I have pointed out, and illustrated, with correct references YOUR repeated use of illogic and disinformation tactics. Wanting people to think for themselves and disagreeing with an expressed opinion, presented in your ineffably caustic and ill mannered fashion, is another. The two are not mutually exclusive. Did I use too many big words for you? Oh, Alex who? Is this someone whom I should know? I am not the one accusing people of being satanic, although I have pointed out some who openly are. I am simply trying to educate you and others here that your fears in this particular matter are unfounded and unwarranted. During the course of the thread, there has been much back and forth concerning religious philosophy. What it comes down to is, don't jump in the fire if you can't stand the heat. It is not a matter of not being able to take the heat it is just a matter of whether or not I care to debate the points. Mostly I haven't since it is simply a debate that I did not want to invest a lot of time in and that it was simply declining into heated opinions. I expressed my views earlier in the thread and just have not felt inclined to be further involved. Given Madonna's history and connections it was, and still is, my considered opinion that there were motives other than artistic intent behind her "performance". It is like they are mocking us with the "world peace" message at the end knowing that they are about to start the most deadliest war the world has ever known. God is always good!
Hard to say but you could certainly be right there. Since, despite their intelligence, they are not really sane as you or I might define the term their warped motivations are sometimes difficult to decipher. However, it is certainly true that they seem to take perverse pleasure in mocking goodness and decency and so mocking the desire for peace would seem to fit into the warped mindset. This is such an insane planet ruled by madmen and madwomen that it boggles the mind.
WTF, how can you people see something sinister in a Superbowl performance which ends with the words "World Peace" spelled out in lights? Would you rather they have said "Let's nuke Iran"? Paranoia is a sickness you know. Just to be a pain, contrarian that I sometimes am, the word "allegory" comes to mind. In a play rife with symbology and the overtones implied, or suggested, by the symbology the word "lights" stands out to my gimlet eye. Who is called the "Lord of Light" or "The Shining One"? Who is called the "Lord of Light" or "The Shining One"? So what did you want them to do, spray paint the football field with black lettering and shine lights on it? Oh right, lights are bad. OMG OI, you have lost it. Context is everything. I expected the response so I almost didn't float the thought and the association. However, you did not deny the allegorical representation as it does fit. It may not be correct but it does fit. Data insufficient to say if that was the intent. However, given the entire occultic context of her performance the comparison is almost inescapable. You're one of the few people I've met who can twist a message of World Peace into something horrible. I guess since we're past 1984, doublespeak is in "vogue". So in your opinion, were those gospel singers partaking in the satanic ritual as well?
Oh and as far as your claim that you see the word "Lights" somewhere in the stadium, can you point out exactly where you see this? Perhaps you're hallucinating OI, as I don't see it anywhere.
Did I use too many big words for you? Was I too "caustic" for you? Come on, duff man. Admit it, you're a kike. You think that using your "big words" is impressive? It's not. Anyone can do it. You're just being indubitably pretentious. -------------------------------------------------------- When the globalists/illuminists/babylonians, whatever you call them cry "Peace!" it's best to duck because they are about to take a squat on the human race. For my part, I don't give a shit about football, and what with the attendant juvenile racket that the half time show has become, I can't put enough distance between myself and this noise.
Oh, dear me what shall I ever do I just feel soooooooooo chastened. I might point out that there is a difference between erudition and pretension. While I should imagine that such distinctions are lost on the uncultivated my vocabulary, which I generally keep under tight constraint, is a product of enjoying the written word and language. Where I have fun with language you wield it as a bludgeon. In your hands English is a blunt object you brandish with all the delicacy and facility of a Rapper singing Parsifal. However, it is just one of the trials which must be endured. So, give it no second thought - a practice of which I am certain you have much experience. While I am always of a mind to be agreeable your preference for monosyllabic somnambulance is a type of drudgery I am simply unwilling to indulge. Perhaps it is forlorn longing, but I do keep hoping that you should develop some sensitivity to the less pedestrian possibilities inherent in expressive written communication. You're one of the few people I've met who can twist a message of World Peace into something horrible. I guess since we're past 1984, doublespeak is in "vogue". I think the word "peace" is a beautiful and expressive word. However, given the perverted twists of such as Madonna I find it rather tuneless in her hands. She would not be the first in perverting its usage to a veiled meaning. I did not make that assertion. You've misread my commentary somewhere. I bet it took you a hour to write that. What you fail to understand is that your bullshit is just that, bullshit. It doesn't matter how you dress it up. You can smear it on a canvas and call it the Mona Lisa, but it's still just bullshit smeared on a cloth. You simply try and hide behind your vocabulary, that you so painstakingly write, to try to make yourself sound so intelligent. You're just not that smart. -------------------------------------------------------- Partaking? Not likely. Participating? However unknowingly - possibly. As I have stated previously whatever embedded double meanings, which to some extent are obscure, seem to be aimed at the initiates. I don't pretend to have all of the different layerings sorted out, and am simply not inclined to spend the time to do so. Let me refresh your memory a bit. You posted this back in Post 234; Who is called the "Lord of Light" or "The Shining One"? Were you "speaking in tongues" perhaps, and forgot what you said in that altered state? Yet, you have the time to make all sorts of nebulous yet suggestive accusations on this thread. Oh, I don't hide behind my vocabulary I actually rather revel in it. Doubly so since most of the time I have to keep it on a tight leash. I know that it is above your pay grade but not everyone is as parsimonious with polysyllables as a Dick and Jane Reader. I don't do it to impress you, heaven forfend, but originally because it was, in my view, the best word choice. While the appropriate use of language is something which you do not find euphonious I do. It is really quite that simple, and I really never gave it a thought until you began whimpering about it. Now you have given me a great new sport for which I appropriately thank you. Don't fault OI, he's simply speaking in tongues... :)
Yet, you have the time to make all sorts of nebulous yet suggestive accusations on this thread. It is just that I thought the allusions were obvious. Obviously you disagree. Well, that's fine - I can live with disagreement. I just really do not want to spend a lot of time in acrimonious debate over it. You have a definite point of view, and that is fine. That we differ on the point is also fine. Everyone interprets what they see from their own viewpoint and by definition different people are going to have different viewpoints, and they are not always going to be an identity. Yes, the English tongue. Poor BSUSATOO is just upset because I won't speak to him in monosyllables that he can unnerstan'. Chicky chicky wa wa Ya ha chicky ckicky... LOL
Oh, he just makes it too easy. It's like dynamiting fish in a bucket.
I told you I had you pegged. You just love to send people off on wild goose chases. Or, more like snipe hunts, since we all know there are no snipe to be caught in the bags that others carry. And you retreat when others don't go along with your bullshit. Or, you attack, which is even funnier. Yeah, you're a kike. I'd bet on it. -------------------------------------------------------- I love it. Although let us boil your post down to its basic meaning which is quite simply. Rather droll eh wot? Or at least as witty as you ever get. Now run along I think your mommy is calling. I don't think so. I bet I am right, on this one. if he was to be believed, we'd all be dead now, from corexit, or fukushima, or any other number of things he tried so hard to convince people that these were imminent threats. Hell, even Madonna can't escape his bullshit gravitational pull. He is the black hole of bullshit. He just pulls everything in. -------------------------------------------------------- On those particular issues, there was in fact cause for concern and precautions to be taken, especially for those who lived near the affected areas. But in THIS particular case, yep, I think he's leading people around on a "snipe hunt", as you put it. I don't think so. I bet I am right, on this one. if he was to be believed, we'd all be dead now, from corexit, or fukushima, or any other number of things he tried so hard to convince people that these were imminent threats. Hell, even Madonna can't escape his bullshit gravitational pull. He is the black hole of bullshit. He just pulls everything in. Oh, widdle boy got his feewings hurt. Back to your usuals I see - Strawman Argument. A. The Gulf is still toxic and people are still suffering devastating illness from the affects of the oil combined with the highly toxic corexit. Of course were you intellectually curious and actually wanted to be informed you would already know that. Instead you parade your ignorance for all and attempt to advocate for stupidity as sound life choice. And again you overstate to create a strawman. B. Fukushima is not done playing out. I know this may be a real shocker to you but real events happen without ever appearing on CNN or Sesame Street. Because there is a virtual news blackout in the Amurkin' media on what is going on at Fukushima does not mean things are not happening. So, while you may regard ignorance as bliss it can also be deadly. So, while you try to sell the official spin lines the reality is that these two catastrophes are still catastrophes and are still contaminating the environment, shortening lives, and killing people. So, all joking about the paucity and barrenness of your vocabulary and your discomfit by words of more than one syllable aside, once again you demonstrate your overwhelming FAIL. From post 214: Satanic ritual military music sports industry psyop. What's not to understand? True and obvious to those sensitized to look for it and can spot it, but it is a matter of viewpoint, knowledge, and awareness. You're just not sensitized, smart and aware enough. But I don't want to drag you into this. OI and I have been known to argue for some time. -------------------------------------------------------- No, you argue, and I whack the Pinata. I am pretty sure, no I am positive, that you believe that. Yes, you are most formidable. Yep. A person would have to be a fool to go against you. -------------------------------------------------------- From the mouth's of babes. Humor aside, it is not that I am so formidable but that you are not. However, feel free to throw those grenades and I'll keep pulling the pins and throwing them back. Yep. You're so much smarter than I am. I'm just a little weakling, going up against the uber-intellectual giant genius. I am so overmatched. Please don't beat me up anymore! That post 214 was the last nail in my coffin. If only I stood in awe of your "viewpoint, knowledge, and awareness", I would not have found myself in the mess I am in now. -------------------------------------------------------- Who says there's no hope for you?
Let me refresh your memory a bit. You posted this back in Post 234; Who is called the "Lord of Light" or "The Shining One"? Were you "speaking in tongues" perhaps, and forgot what you said in that altered state? Actually 234 was your post and what you list here was my response to your 234 which is post 235. So, your 234 says in part (in response to RickyJ): Ricky: It is like they are mocking us with the "world peace" message at the end knowing that they are about to start the most deadliest war the world has ever known. FL: WTF, how can you people see something sinister in a Superbowl performance which ends with the words "World Peace" spelled out in lights? (emphasis mine) And in context my use of the word "lights" in 235 is in direct response to your use of the word in 234 i.e., the lights at the end of her number. Israeli Fans Ask Netanyahu to Delay Iran Attack Until After Madonna’s Concert - International Business Times Israeli fans of American pop star Madonna have asked the country’s Prime Minister to delay any bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities until after the Material Girl’s planned concert in the Jewish state.
Wow, so now Madonna holds the fate of the world in her hands, eh? She must be quite powerful, hell, you folks even think she can control the phases of the moon. My bad, yeah it was post 235 I was talking about. So to get to the point, you now find the word lights to be a satanic word, right? WTF have you been smoking or sniffing these past few days OI? Whether it was flashlights or candles, who gives a shit, and if you think that the word lights has some sort of negative connotation, you've lost it. WTF have you been smoking or sniffing these past few days FL? Why are you so protective of your Goddess Madonna?
Why are you so protective of your Goddess Madonna? I have not ever seen you post like a deranged fundie in the past. What's up, you been to Jesus Camp lately? Why are you so hateful towards her? Did she cut in front of you at Burger King or something? Do you call yourself a Christian? I guess you missed the part about "Do not judge lest you be judged", and "He who is without sin cast the first stone". And oh yeah, the biggie, "Thou shalt not bear false witness". You may be a super tight assed ultra conservative who hates to see any female skin, but please, keep it to yourself. Are you one of these women possessed by demons? I am really surprised at you FL. I thought that you were smarter than this.
You aren't acting much different than those women.
I did not say it was a definite conclusion - it was just an association I floated as a follow on as suggested by your post. "Da Debil made me do it." However, if one presumes a Satanic/Occultic motivation underlying the "performance" it does fit. However, I am not a mind reader (except occasional flashes) and cannot say with any certainty that was part of the symbolism inherent in an obviously occultic themed "performance". Nothing more, or less. Just another datum to place in the Matrix and see how well it fits. WTF have you been smoking or sniffing these past few days FL? Why are you so protective of your Goddess Madonna? Just about everyone has at least one subject they are not entirely rational on. It would appear that we may have found one of FL's. Obviously if you notice that Madonna's performance was redolent of occultic symbolism then it is a foregone conclusion that you must be a "Jeebus Freak" who prances around speaking jibberish. Why the association is just, so, so, logical? "But the strawberries, that's where I had them. I proved with geometric logic that a duplicate key to the icebox existed. " However, if one presumes a Satanic/Occultic motivation underlying the "performance" it does fit. However, I am not a mind reader (except occasional flashes) and cannot say with any certainty that was part of the symbolism inherent in an obviously occultic themed "performance". Nothing more, or less. Just another datum to place in the Matrix and see how well it fits. You are so full of shit. You don't know one fucking thing about satanism or the occult. There is no way you can "presume" any kind of such motivations for a performance, because you don't know anything. I know, you think you know. And that is what I find so amusing about you. You say the dumbest things, but you try and sound so smart while you are spouting your idiocy. You really have no idea how idiotic you are. You have to be a kike. -------------------------------------------------------- That takes the bloody cake. These twits should be nominated for the Illuminist Prize for Nauseating Self- Indulgence. They want Yahoo to hold off blowing Iranian limbs sky high so's they can have their little smut fest.
Gosh, golly gee whillikers. I am just soooooooooo chagrined. I hope you wiped after that post. You're a pretender, and not even a good one. You don't have a clue what you are babbling on and on about. You really don't. That is what makes it all so funny. You say the dumbest things, but you don't know how stupid they are. You try so hard to play the expert on all things, but you lack even the very basic knowledge of what you think you're an expert on. I'm a relatively new satanist, for about a 1 year. But I already know more than you do about the occult and satanism. When I said that you say the most idiotic things, I know what I am talking about; you don't. -------------------------------------------------------- Admit it. You didn't wipe. Right?
You're a pretender, and not even a good one. You don't have a clue what you are babbling on and on about. You really don't. That is what makes it all so funny. You say the dumbest things, but you don't know how stupid they are. You try so hard to play the expert on all things, but you lack even the very basic knowledge of what you think you're an expert on. I'm a relatively new satanist, for about a 1 year. But I already know more than you do about the occult and satanism. When I said that you say the most idiotic things, I know what I am talking about; you don't.
-------------------------------------------------------- You dug yourself into a pit so deep, you can't get out. Oh, you tried, when you wrote "I did not say it was a definite conclusion - it was just an association I floated as a follow on as suggested by your post. "Da Debil made me do it." and this little gem: However, I am not a mind reader (except occasional flashes) and cannot say with any certainty that was part of the symbolism inherent in an obviously occultic themed "performance". Nothing more, or less. Just another datum to place in the Matrix and see how well it fits. Who do you think you are going to fool by saying things this stupid? If you are trying to dig yourself out of this, you failed miserably. You have to be a kike. You will do absolutely anything to avoid having to say "I was wrong". -------------------------------------------------------- PSUSA2 says the above, then accuses you of "saying the stupidest things" Wow! it is a jaw dropping experience observing "it's" interaction with others. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
Oh, he is a great source of amusement. Whenever I run out of tongue depressors for building things he's always good for a hoot or two. Don't wet your drawers. It's just a discussion. If you can't keep it within reason, there's LP and a host of other places where you can unload like that.
Coincidence?
www.salisbury.anglican.org/news/god-save-the-queen www.salisbury.anglican.org/mission/2012/jubilee 'Diamond' is code word for high level slaves.
And I presume you are just trolling this thread to show "how smart you are". Any rational person wouldn't be tap dancing to the tune of "burn the witch", nor would they see goblins in every little thing said here, such as the sentence, "WTF, how can you people see something sinister in a Superbowl performance which ends with the words "World Peace" spelled out in lights?" It would appear that we may have found one of FL's. Sure thing slick, it started by me being somewhat taken aback by the ignorance and irrationality demonstrated by people I thought I knew. Now I'm here defending myself against them. Fuck you. OI proclaims himself an expert in things he's totally ignorant of, because, well, just because he's OI.
Now I'm here defending myself against them. Fuck you. Excuse me? No, you are not being put on the defensive - not intentionally anyway. I won't evaluate for you and I did border on that with my comment. It was perhaps a little snippy but it was not intended as an attack. I was trying to put it as gently as I could. I regard that as a true statement. Everyone, including me, has areas of irrationality. Again it was not intended as an attack just an observation. And whether you want to acknowledge it or not Religion does from my perspective seem to be one of your hot buttons which is why I was pussyfooting around and trying to step gently. You've seen me in attack mode so you know darn well there is no mistaking when I have my sights set on someone. Thank you. This thread is getting bad......Janet Reno and Janet Napolitano attempting a pole dance duo bad.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
If I'm going to be wrong I would rather be wrong boldly. However, all I have done on this thread is state my opinion and perceptions of what was going on with the Madonna video. For whatever reason that seems to be a hot button for you. However, I may try to step carefully to avoid giving unnecessary offense but I am not inclined to play "Wilbur Milquetoast" in stating my observations. You are free to disagree with them, but you are reacting well out of proportion. Why? Only you know that. That is a disgusting image. Thhhhhpppppppp! However, that is why I have been trying to withdraw with some modicum of grace. That should give anyone nightmares It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
So when are you going to lay down your expert observations and opinion concerning Shania Twain and her satanic performance at the Superbowl? You did admit that you thought she WAS in fact performing some sort of satanic ceremony, didn't you... Honesty, I could give two shits about Madonna, I just hate to see a person publically smeared and crucified for something that is so out of touch with reality. It's sickening to behold, and demonstrates how and why this country is so fucked up. What is especially disturbing is the fact that those doing the accusing think of themselves as spiritually superior and "holy", yet they are closer to being satanic than any "witch", where most "witches" are Wiccan whose creed is "Do no harm". Oh right, Madonna studies the Kabbalah, so she must be "worshipping Lucifer". It's a path to God you fucking moron. In the past, people such as you would have been using similar linguistic and theological gymnastics to justify the witch hunts and Inquistions, because it was the popular thing to do and a way to get the "right" people to like you and admire you. Myself, I could give a shit if I'm popular here or not. . LOL! That will leave a mark on the frontal lobe for sure. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I hope they don't force be to drag our poor ol' Helen Thomas. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Watch out, here comes Kathleen Sebelius: C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER-R-R-R-R!!!
#2. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
(The Illuminati always has to do its rituals between the New Moon and Full Moon. The Full Moon is in 2 more days, so it is their time for rituals & what better place than a Half Time show with millions of people?)
#3. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
The Illuminati always has to do its rituals between the New Moon and Full Moon. The Full Moon is in 2 more days, so it is their time for rituals & what better place than a Half Time show with millions of people?)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#4. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Bill D Berger (#1)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#5. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#6. To: All (#4)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#7. To: PSUSA2 (#3)
This entire article is a joke. hey bill! There's a demon sitting at your kitchen table! You better feed him, or else!
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#8. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#9. To: Bill D Berger, ALL (#0)
#10. To: FormerLurker (#4)
I think you folks are reading WAY too much into this thing.
#11. To: FormerLurker (#4)
You think the colors used in her wardrobe are satanic? Good grief, those colors are used in high school bands as well as Roman Catholic robes.
#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#9)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)
(Edited)
sorry, Roman Catholicism is a crypto-Jewish organization
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#15. To: Bill D Berger, Twenty Twelve, All (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#16. To: tom007 (#7)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#17. To: Bill D Berger, ALL (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Bill D Berger, All (#11)
Dont forget that before Madonna put on the black robe, her dancers were in red, gold & black outfits and some were in red & white, which are colors that one uses to worship Lucifer. The entire show had a lucifer color theme.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#19. To: christine (#10)
i agree on this one.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#20. To: TwentyTwelve (#9)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#21. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#22. To: FormerLurker (#18)
BTW, did you notice that Freedom4um uses black, white, red, and a hint of gold in its color scheme?
#23. To: FormerLurker (#15)
#24. To: TwentyTwelve (#9)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#22)
you're hysterical.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#26. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#21)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#27. To: FormerLurker (#13)
Well then, ALL of Christianity is a crypto-Jewish organization, since it ALL derives from Roman Catholicism.
#28. To: FormerLurker (#26)
Go say 10 Hail Marys and you will be all set.
#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#21)
It is rather appropriate that this Kaballah-intiate referred to the Superbowl as the “Holy of Holies” as it was the name of the most sacred place in Solomon’s Temple
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#30. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#28)
I'm not Catholic.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#32. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#33. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#34. To: FormerLurker (#29)
So what are your thoughts on the band Mayhem? When are you going to go after THEM?
#35. To: PSUSA2 (#16)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: FormerLurker (#30)
I'm not Catholic.
#37. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#34)
never heard of them before today....this thread was about Madonna.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#38. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#36)
There are millions of good Catholic people who revere Christ in the way they were taught, and I will give them credit for that, but don't call me a Catholic, please.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: FormerLurker (#31)
oh no, that essene crap again?
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#40. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#33)
(Red. Black. Gold. All of the colors used in Madonna’s Half Time Show)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: FormerLurker (#37)
never heard of them before today....this thread was about Madonna.
#42. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#39)
oh no, that essene crap again?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: FormerLurker (#40)
#44. To: FormerLurker (#42)
he Jews don't accept or believe in the thought of an "anti- christ", since they don't accept or believe in "christ" to begin with...
#45. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#33)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#44)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#44)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: FormerLurker (#32)
Simon Magus is another name for Paul of Tarsus...
If you believe in small government, then you shouldn't be in the White House.
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#49. To: FormerLurker (#35)
(Edited)
Truly, I can see how and why this country is so fucked, and how somebody like Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, or even Mittens Romney could win over an honest candidate with vision such as Ron Paul.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#50. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#41)
You know so much about them, why don't you start a thread?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: PnbC (#48)
I don't buy it. If Simon Magus is the founder of Gnosticism, it is a radically different view of the divine than is in any of the books of the NT, including Paul.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#52. To: PnbC (#48)
I appreciate the earlier link comparing Paul and the Essenes.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#53. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#54. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#55. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#53)
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#56. To: PSUSA2 (#49)
I don't fault anyone for being brainwashed. I fault them for not fighting it. They willfully submit to it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: TwentyTwelve (#55)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: Bill D Berger, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, FormerLurker, christine, all (#0)
#59. To: CadetD (#58)
#60. To: PSUSA2 (#49)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: Original_Intent (#58)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: FormerLurker (#56)
I don't think I've ever been brainwashed. I believed what I was told to believe when I was a young lad, but upon seeing obvious contradictions, and realizing that I was being lied to, I started to understand that those telling the lies weren't as holy as they claimed to be.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#63. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, CadetD (#53)
#64. To: FormerLurker (#60)
(Edited)
Maybe not all, but MOST Christian denominations' teachings revolve around fear, hatred of the "enemy", anger, and other such negative emotions.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#65. To: Original_Intent (#58)
If I were to take a stab at it, it would be that she is mimicking "The Harlot of Babylon", and perhaps the High Priestess of the Temple of Set.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: FormerLurker (#61)
So OI, are Hindus satanic?
#67. To: PSUSA2 (#64)
I don't believe anything is "pure evil", or "pure good". I can't think of one thing that is pure evil or good. Not even love fits that description.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: Original_Intent (#66)
No, they are, from a Christian's perspective, Pagans. Hinduism has a lot of interesting references and its origins are lost in the distance of time, but there is nothing particularly evil about mainstream Hinduism
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: FormerLurker (#65)
#70. To: FormerLurker (#67)
Pure evil is actually disembodied negative energy, that has sentience of its own. Some might even call it satan.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#71. To: PSUSA2 (#62)
Those that committed those horrendous acts were the apostates, and those that didn't were the "elect".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: Original_Intent (#69)
However, I don't think that "Prime Time" is ready for the High Priestess to be symbolically taken on the altar at the Superbowl Halftime. That absence does not vitiate the obvious symbology that was present.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: Original_Intent (#69)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#74. To: FormerLurker (#68)
Well then, you should probably rethink what you wrote, since Madonna is using Hindu imagery, not Masonic or satanic.
#75. To: FormerLurker (#71)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#76. To: FormerLurker (#73)
Again, can you find any examples of Masonic or satanic regalia which demonstrate any similarity with the outfit Madonna wore at her SuperBowl performance?
#77. To: All (#76)
#78. To: PSUSA2 (#75)
If someone ordered you to stretch someone on the rack, or to tie them to a post and burn them alive, and to do it over and over again, would you say "fuck you" and tear that assholes head off his fucking neck, and you yourself prepare to die, or would you cooperate?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: TwentyTwelve (#55)
#80. To: christine (#10)
To: FormerLurker
#81. To: Original_Intent (#76)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#82. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#79)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: FormerLurker (#82)
You better start burning all your 1 dollar bills since it has that Masonic Pyramid on the back. If you don't the devil will get ya.
#84. To: Original_Intent (#76)
the resemblance of the Girdle/Belt to a Mason's Apron.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#85. To: RickyJ (#83)
I get rid of all of them as soon as I get them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#86. To: RickyJ (#80)
I don't. The symbolism can't be denied. I seriously doubt it was all just a coincidence. I know it is hard to believe people actually worship the devil, but they do.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: Original_Intent (#77)
The other image her headdress evokes is the Phoenix Rising from the fire.
#88. To: FormerLurker (#82)
You better start burning all your 1 dollar bills since it has that Masonic Pyramid on the back.
#89. To: Original_Intent (#76)
The symbolism of her headdress is clearly fire and two horns. Those would appear to my eye symbolic of Occultic beliefs attached to Luciferian/Satanic belief systems. This is observation nothing more.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#90. To: FormerLurker (#78)
I would escape such an insane society if I could. Otherwise, I'd go out with a bang, and make sure they kill me quickly and decisively before they had a chance to "work their magic" on me.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#91. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#88)
The Masonic Seal of America
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#92. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, bill d berger, all (#53)
#93. To: FormerLurker (#84)
So were the Romans really closet Masons?
...."
#94. To: FormerLurker (#91)
#95. To: Artisan (#92)
(To all those who think)Jesus isn't God, all I can say is that youll have a very rude awakening
Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#93)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#94)
you really don't have a clue what you're talking about
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#98. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#100. To: FormerLurker (#86)
Did you miss the video I posted illustrating the deeds of that band Mayhem at an outdoor performance where thousands of kids were there? Now THAT is something to be concerned about, as it is ongoing, and kids are getting into that sort of thing as we speak...
#101. To: Original_Intent (#58)
Her Girdle/Belt is reminiscent of a Mason's Apron.
#102. To: FormerLurker (#95)
to claim Jesus is God is a sin, in direct violation of the 1st Commandment...
#103. To: Original_Intent (#59)
Ping. FYI.
#104. To: FormerLurker, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Artisan (#95)
(Edited)
And so will you my friend, so will you...
#105. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#102)
Jesus IS God.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#106. To: Buzzard (#100)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#107. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#101)
“The Superbowl is kind of like the Holy of Holies in America. I’ll come at halfway of the “church experience” and I’m gonna have to deliver a sermon. It’ll have to be very impactful.”
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#108. To: intotheabyss (#104)
Jesus did not lie, he would have told us if he were the father.
#109. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#101)
It is rather appropriate that this Kaballah-intiate referred to the Superbowl as the “Holy of Holies”
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#110. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#108)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#111. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#108)
The Jews knew He was claiming to be God the Father.
#112. To: FormerLurker (#109)
(Edited)
Do you even have any idea at all what the Kaballah is all about?
#113. To: FormerLurker, Buzzard (#106)
#114. To: Dakmar (#113)
Why haven't any of you RSVP'd? What are you, a bunch of faithy-clingy terrorists?
#115. To: FormerLurker (#106)
Black Sabbath and other bands of the era were not satanic, they actually crusaded against war and those who WERE evil. The song War Pigs and Mr. Crowley come to mind...
#116. To: intotheabyss (#114)
accept no substitutes
#117. To: intotheabyss, FormerLurker (#115)
Black Sabbath and other bands of the era were not satanic, they actually crusaded against war and those who WERE evil. The song War Pigs and Mr. Crowley come to mind...
#118. To: Dakmar (#116)
(Edited)
#119. To: All (#118)
(Edited)
#120. To: Buzzard (#100)
(Edited)
#121. To: FormerLurker (#105)
#122. To: intotheabyss, Buzzard (#120)
"After Forever" is my favorite Black Sabbath song. I posted a vid at 117, here's the lyrics:
Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head or is he a part of you?
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?
When you think about death do you lose your breath or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope - do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light and I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared at the end of our days
Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
that God is the only way to love
Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun?
I think it was true it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve
Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he's the one
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it's too late.
#123. To: Dakmar (#122)
#124. To: intotheabyss (#123)
#125. To: Dakmar (#124)
One would be hard pressed to find any evil intent, anyway.
#126. To: intotheabyss (#125)
#127. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#87)
#128. To: CadetD (#103)
#129. To: Dakmar, intotheabyss (#126)
I tried yelling a few Ezra Pound stanzas over a Melvins intro and only succeeded in breaking an end table.
#130. To: Original_Intent (#129)
(Edited)
I tried yelling a few Ezra Pound stanzas over a Melvins intro and only succeeded in breaking an end table.
#131. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#121)
who is your god?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#132. To: intotheabyss (#104)
(Edited)
Jesus himself said he was the son of God, and trust me he understood what the term son means. Jesus did not lie, he would have told us if he were the father.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#133. To: intotheabyss (#112)
it's demonic and it's one of the jooos black majic book
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#134. To: Original_Intent (#127)
Similarly where did the Hebrew People originate? We know of their coming out of Egypt but
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#135. To: tom007 (#134)
Anyway I think I just made up that grammer.
#136. To: FormerLurker (#132)
My belief is that the true Creator has nothing at all to do with those beliefs, and that those beliefs are simply the rantings of individuals who need to worship a man because they can't fathom what an entity who transverses space and time and who could create space and time itself would actually be like.
#137. To: Original_Intent (#135)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#138. To: FormerLurker (#133)
Nope. It's supposedly the "unwritten book" of the Jewish faith, where adhering to its teachings will bring a person closer to God. In fact, in various Christian beliefs there is a notion of a "Guardian Angel".
#139. To: CadetD, Original_Intent (#103)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#140. To: intotheabyss (#138)
This is a fairly extensive group of people who back this up. Stan Monteith, Texe Marrs, Rev. Ted Pike.... I could go on and on....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#141. To: intotheabyss (#138)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#142. To: intotheabyss, Original_Intent (#138)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#143. To: FormerLurker (#141)
#144. To: intotheabyss (#138)
(Edited)
The researchers that have read the other "holy" books of the jooos
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#145. To: intotheabyss (#143)
I realize I am wasting my time and yours sorry. It won't happen again
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#146. To: intotheabyss (#136)
Mere mortal can not do the things that were reported by many that Jesus ( real name Yashua sp?) did.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#147. To: FormerLurker (#107)
“The Superbowl is kind of like the Holy of Holies in America. I’ll come at halfway of the “church experience” and I’m gonna have to deliver a sermon. It’ll have to be very impactful.”
“…in the days of Josephus, the Essenes worked a secret Initiation Rite of four degrees, and though regarded as good Jews, nevertheless prayed to the Sun just before the dawn as if invoking him to rise. Surely this fact is most significant and suggests that in the Essenes we have at least one of the links by which the old Adonis Cult, cleansed and purified, was passed on to the Roman Colleges of Architects, and so, via the Mediaeval Comacine Masons to us.”
We have learnt undoubtedly there were certain secret rites taking place in the days of Ezekiel, and shall learn that in the time of Josephus the Essenes were a sect with elaborate initiatory rites, penal oaths, and so forth, whose obligation was strikingly like the charge given in the first degree in masonry. Included in their rites was a preliminary baptism with water, a special regalia, a sort of sacramental meal, and, above all, prayers to the sun which, though alien to the orthodox Jewish faith, were an integral part of the ceremonies connected with the death of Tammuz.”
“The Jews, like the nations around them, had a mystery system at the beginning of the Christian era. This consisted of the four degrees of the Essenes…”
“…the Essenes were really a reformed version of the old Tammuz cult, and that they are a very probable link in the chain of the evolution of that cult into modern Speculative Freemasonry.”
“Now Diana, or Artemis of Ephesus, who was of course merely another form of Astarte, had an order of Priests who were either called Essenes or at any rate had a High Priest over them known by the title of Essen…It therefore seems probable that this Jewish secret society derives its name, not from a Hebrew word meaning the ‘Pail,’ as some have suggested, but from the name also applied to the Priests of the Great Mother at Ephesus, who like them were naturally celibates. The emblems of this goddess were the bee, the lion, the goat and the bear, and three of these are closely associated with Freemasonry.”
#148. To: FormerLurker (#140)
People can claim whatever they wish to claim. In other words, some TV or radio personality could claim that the US Constitution is actually a demonic manifesto, but would anyone in their right mind believe them?
#149. To: FormerLurker (#139)
Oh, and I was right about the Isis resemblence apparently. Her headdress was not similar to a horned devil, it was similar to a headdress worn by Isis in Egyptian lore, who was not an evil entity, but a person who could be equated to the Mother Mary in Christian lore.
#150. To: FormerLurker (#146)
Yeah, just look at all the good that the European christians performed, such as the gouging out of human body parts, burning people alive, gruesome mutilations, fear and loathing, war, stuff like that.
#151. To: FormerLurker (#131)
who is your god?
#152. To: Original_Intent (#127)
Where and when did Masrony originate? All we really know is that it is verrry old. I have seen assertions that it goes back to Atlantis.
#153. To: FormerLurker (#95)
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
#154. To: FormerLurker (#145)
I'm sorry, I thought we were having an interesting discussion.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#155. To: PSUSA2 (#154)
#156. To: intotheabyss (#111)
(Edited)
The Jews knew He was claiming to be God the Father.
#157. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#147)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#79)
#159. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#151)
(Edited)
How'd you find out about your god(s)?
Genesis 5:2
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#160. To: TwentyTwelve (#158)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#161. To: PSUSA2 (#154)
There is no such thing as being The True Satanist, because it's an individual path, not a group path, and individuals vary in their beliefs.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#162. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#151)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: FormerLurker (#161)
People who outright worship satan, and there ARE obviously some who do, ARE "true satanists".
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#164. To: TwentyTwelve (#158)
Isis/Semiramis/Whore of Babylon
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#165. To: PSUSA2 (#163)
They say as much, in the open. It's these that aren't the "true" satanists.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#166. To: FormerLurker (#165)
Perhaps you should change your terminology to "anti-christian" in describing your philosophy, lest people think you actually worship the devil, as that is the generally accepted definition of the word "satanist".
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#167. To: PSUSA2 (#166)
As for Aquino, you can talk to him at the 600club. He posts there. So you don't have to talk about him. Go to the source and read what he has to say instead of depending on others.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#168. To: PSUSA2 (#166)
Look up the root
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#169. To: FormerLurker (#167)
I know enough about Aquino to know that I would rather not speak to such an evil cretin.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#170. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#150)
how do you know they were CHRISTIANS that did this?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#171. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#152)
If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!
#172. To: PSUSA2 (#169)
I'll let you in on a little secret: your opinions are just as valid as anyone elses. There is nothing special about anyone elses opinions or allegations.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#173. To: PSUSA2 (#154)
You were trying to de-convert him (imo).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#174. To: FormerLurker (#172)
and there is physical evidence of sexual abuse of toddlers.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#175. To: PSUSA2 (#174)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#176. To: PSUSA2 (#174)
As for that preschool case that you might be referring to, they did investigate, and looked for the tunnels etc.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#177. To: PSUSA2 (#174)
As for that preschool case that you might be referring to, they did investigate, and looked for the tunnels etc. Nothing was ever found. Unless you think that They / ALL OF THEM were In On It.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#178. To: PSUSA2 (#174)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#179. To: randge (#153)
Hmmm.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#180. To: FormerLurker (#177)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#181. To: Bill D Berger, All (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#182. To: PSUSA2 (#180)
But Aquino was an easy target.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#183. To: PSUSA2 (#169)
But for someone that has already said that the church lies, you are placing a lot of value on what they say.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#184. To: FormerLurker (#182)
(Edited)
It was at his house that at least some of the abuse occured, as alleged by the children.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#185. To: FormerLurker (#183)
BTW, if you noticed, none of the reports or articles I posted in regards to Aquino and associates originated with "the church".
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#186. To: PSUSA2 (#185)
Larry and Michelle Adams-Thompson had noticed changes in their daughter's behavior after placing her in Gary Hambright's class four or five times in September and October of 1986. The girl, who turned 3 in October, had begun having nightmares and would wet herself when frightened. Her parents believed it was just "a bad stage" she was going through until they heard about the Tobin boy in January. The girl was taken to a therapist at Letterman Army Medical Center in February. In therapy, the girl talked about being sexually abused by Hambright and by a man named "Mikey" and a woman named "Shamby" whose identities were unknown. On Aug. 12, 1987, the Adams-Thompsons were shopping at the PX at the Presidio. Suddenly the girl ran to Larry Adams-Thompson and clutched his leg. He looked up and saw a man whom he knew as Lt Col. Michael Aquino.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#187. To: PSUSA2 (#184)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#188. To: PSUSA2 (#163)
#189. To: PSUSA2 (#185)
San Jose Mercury News, May 13, 1989
Aquino, founder and high priest of the Temple of Set, said Friday that he and his wife, Lilith, were questioned this week by Army investigators about allegations against them.
Aquino was adamant that he and his wife have never molested any child "anywhere, anytime."
'I expect that the investigation will thoroughly and completely exonerate both Mrs. Aquino and myself," he said.
''The Army has interviewed both my wife and myself, and as far as I'm concerned, nothing was discussed that indicates there was any serious evidence that any such crimes occurred at all as far as Mrs. Aquino and I are concerned."
No one has been tried in the Presidio case, although charges were filed and dropped twice against Gary Hambright, a former teacher at the day care center. More than 60 children were sexually abused at the Presidio's day care center, and many said the abuse happened during satanic rituals. In addition, five children were confirmed to have venereal disease.
In the new investigation, police in Ukiah already had been looking into the ritual abuse of two boys and a girl when the children accused Aquino of being involved, parents and police said. Aquino also was accused of molestations in Santa Rosa and Fort Bragg.
''Basically, we have a multi-jurisdictional investigation" of Aquino and others, said Ukiah Police Chief Fred Keplinger. Keplinger said that his department is working with the Army's Criminal Investigation Division.
Army investigators recently videotaped the children's stories. Officials would not discuss their investigation.
''It's policy not to discuss any case under investigation," Tom MacKenzie, chief of media relations for the Presidio of San Francisco, said Friday.
Aquino said he expects the investigation to be completed within the next few weeks but would not reveal details of the couple's interviews with Army investigators. "I don't think it would be proper to go through what the Army questioned me about," he said.
The San Francisco District Attorney's Office decided not to press charges against Aquino last year for abuse that allegedly occurred at his San Francisco home because there "wasn't enough corroborating evidence to proceed on the original allegations," Assistant District Attorney Mike Williams said at the time.
One of the children, a boy, was watching a television program about the case with his mother when he recognized Aquino, his mother said.
''He just grabbed the rocking chair and hung on real tight," she said. "His eyes got huge and he said, 'Mommy, that's the man from the church in Fort Bragg.' "
Allegations of ritual abuse erupted in Fort Bragg in Mendocino County in 1985 when several children at the Jubilation Day Care Center said they were sexually abused by a number of people at the day care center and at several locations away from the center, including at least two churches.
No one was tried in the case, though Mendocino County District Attorney Susan Massini said Friday it "is an active, ongoing investigation."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#190. To: FormerLurker (#189)
The San Francisco District Attorney's Office decided not to press charges against Aquino last year for abuse that allegedly occurred at his San Francisco home because there "wasn't enough corroborating evidence to proceed on the original allegations," Assistant District Attorney Mike Williams said at the time.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#191. To: FormerLurker (#187)
#192. To: FormerLurker, All (#187)
#193. To: FormerLurker (#132)
What it comes down to is ultra fanatical bible huggers believe whatever they wish to believe, and damn anyone who doesn't agree with them.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#194. To: randge (#192)
assholes. (You’ll forgive any sins in sampling error I commit here.)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#195. To: tom007 (#193)
Fundamentalism defined.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#196. To: randge, FormerLurker (#192)
The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#197. To: tom007 (#194)
The correct plural is "assholies".
#198. To: PSUSA2, randge (#196)
Christians don't build civilizations. They destroy them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#199. To: randge (#192)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#200. To: PSUSA2 (#196)
#201. To: FormerLurker (#198)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#202. To: randge (#200)
For better or worse, they have carried Western Civilization forward.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#203. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#204. To: PSUSA2 (#201)
Pagans built some nice cities too.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#205. To: Cornhuskerkid, Bill D Berger, CadetD (#203)
She's been a proud jezebel for as long as I can remember.
#206. To: FormerLurker (#204)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#207. To: randge (#192)
(Edited)
This is explicable in that, by all accounts, the story of Satan is in essence one of rebellion, and the Satanist is in creed and practice, whatever that may be, a perpetual adolescent. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built.
#208. To: Original_Intent, Cornhuskerkid, Bill D Berger, CadetD (#205)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#209. To: Original_Intent (#205)
Also PsyOps. Her performance had to have been scripted with the delivery of specific messages to particular audiences depending upon a person's level of knowledge and awareness.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#210. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#209)
(Edited)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#211. To: FormerLurker (#209)
Also PsyOps. Her performance had to have been scripted with the delivery of specific messages to particular audiences depending upon a person's level of knowledge and awareness.
Rely on authority - if it didn't come from an "approved" source it can't be true.
Anything which diverges from the mainstream is false.
Materialism is the only valid philosophy and viewpoint.
There is no spiritual dimension to life. We are just animate sacks of chemicals who only think we can think because that is what the chemicals tell us. There is no life beyond the existence of the material, the body, and the belief that you are a spiritual being is illogical because we can't measure it with one of our holy oscilloscopes. Never mind all of the empirical observational data that suggests very strongly that man is not just meat. (This is basically the "humanist/atheist" viewpoint stripped of all of its sophistry.)
All Religion is bunk, because mainstream science can't verify it (of course mainstream science is all about materialism which rejects the spiritual a priori. So it becomes a circular logic of "Catch 22").
#212. To: PSUSA2 (#206)
Contrast that with Londoners literally throwing their shit out the window onto the street 1500+ years later.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#213. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#210)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#214. To: wudidiz (#210)
Satanic ritual military music sports industry psyop.
"What you see is determined by what you know."
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." ~ Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#215. To: Original_Intent (#211)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#216. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#214)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#217. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#213)
So all sports are "satanic" too now, eh?
"All music is satanic, right? "
#218. To: Original_Intent (#217)
(Edited)
No, not all, but there is a large component there. Certainly classical music is not, but in the manipulated popular culture? Yes, a lot of it is, even if one just prefers to use the less charged term of degraded and destructive. Satanic though is a useful label as it encapsulates, and communicates, a lot in that short term.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#219. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#215)
And that is what many of these so-called devout "christians" condone and support.
#220. To: Original_Intent (#219)
Define "many". Many is a generalization.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#221. To: FormerLurker (#209)
OI, not EVERYTHING you see is a "psyop". If anything, the elite would like to silence people who promote world peace, such as Madonna. You really have me scratching my head over this.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#222. To: FormerLurker (#218)
#223. To: PSUSA2, FormerLurker (#221)
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a rock concert is just a rock concert.
#224. To: Original_Intent (#217)
Do some reading on the history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. The Gladiatorial Games (think NFL) served a social function of keeping the Plebes (the common people) diverted from the society's decadent ruling classes and the collapse and degadation of the society around them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#225. To: Original_Intent (#222)
However, I know religion is charged subject for you, as it was with my mother so I am used to dealing with it, but for a time try to separate the religion and its philosophy from the practicioners who pervert it for whatever reasons or demons of their own.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#226. To: Original_Intent (#223)
When I am presented with trite cliches and catchphrases then I know reason has fled the room.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#227. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#213)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#228. To: Original_Intent (#223)
Trying to create a fog of confusion is certainly one way to try to obscure a concept or idea.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#229. To: FormerLurker (#226)
When I am presented with trite cliches and catchphrases then I know reason has fled the room.
#230. To: PSUSA2 (#228)
Trying to create a fog of confusion is certainly one way to try to obscure a concept or idea.
No. The context clearly limits the point. However, you just cannot seem to resist distorting and misrepresenting other people's positions. Typical.
Moi: "All I ask of people is that they think for themselves."
BSUSATOO: "That is a blatant fucking lie."
BSUSATOO: "If others don't agree with you, they are spreading disinfo, and/or on .gov payroll."
#231. To: FormerLurker (#225)
However, I know religion is charged subject for you, as it was with my mother so I am used to dealing with it, but for a time try to separate the religion and its philosophy from the practicioners who pervert it for whatever reasons or demons of their own.
#232. To: Original_Intent (#211)
As for "World Peace" the NWO is promoting "World Peace" from their perverted point of view. Of course if that means enslaving 99% of the population after killing off 85% of the population - well hey, "you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs".
#233. To: RickyJ (#232)
#234. To: RickyJ, Original_Intent (#232)
It is like they are mocking us with the "world peace" message at the end knowing that they are about to start the most deadliest war the world has ever known.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#235. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#234)
WTF, how can you people see something sinister in a Superbowl performance which ends with the words "World Peace" spelled out in lights?
#236. To: Original_Intent (#235)
In a play rife with symbology and the overtones implied, or suggested, by the symbology the word "lights" stands out to my gimlet eye.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#237. To: FormerLurker (#236)
#238. To: Original_Intent (#237)
(Edited)
However, you did not deny the allegorical representation as it does fit.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#239. To: Original_Intent (#237)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#240. To: Original_Intent (#237)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#241. To: Original_Intent (#230)
Again distorting my position I have pointed out, and illustrated, with correct references YOUR repeated use of illogic and disinformation tactics. Wanting people to think for themselves and disagreeing with an expressed opinion, presented in your ineffably caustic and ill mannered fashion, is another. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#242. To: RickyJ (#232)
It is like they are mocking us with the "world peace" message at the end knowing that they are about to start the most deadliest war the world has ever known.
#243. To: PSUSA2 (#241)
You think that using your "big words" is impressive? It's not. Anyone can do it. You're just being indubitably pretentious.
#244. To: FormerLurker (#238)
However, you did not deny the allegorical representation as it does fit.
#245. To: FormerLurker (#240)
Oh and as far as your claim that you see the word "Lights" somewhere in the stadium
#246. To: Original_Intent (#243)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#247. To: FormerLurker (#239)
So in your opinion, were those gospel singers partaking in the satanic ritual as well?
#248. To: Original_Intent (#245)
I did not make that assertion. You've misread my commentary somewhere.
In a play rife with symbology and the overtones implied, or suggested, by the symbology the word "lights" stands out to my gimlet eye.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#249. To: Original_Intent (#247)
I don't pretend to have all of the different layerings sorted out, and am simply not inclined to spend the time to do so.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#250. To: PSUSA2 (#246)
You simply try and hide behind your vocabulary, that you so painstakingly write, to try to make yourself sound so intelligent. You're just not that smart.
#251. To: PSUSA2 (#246)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#252. To: FormerLurker (#249)
I don't pretend to have all of the different layerings sorted out, and am simply not inclined to spend the time to do so.
#253. To: FormerLurker, BSUSATOO, PSUSA2, all (#251)
Don't fault OI, he's simply speaking in tongues... :)
#254. To: Original_Intent (#253)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#255. To: FormerLurker (#254)
#256. To: Original_Intent (#255)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#257. To: PSUSA2 (#256)
"Na - na - na - na - naaaaaa.
#258. To: FormerLurker (#251)
Don't fault OI, he's simply speaking in tongues... :)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#259. To: PSUSA2, Original_Intent (#258)
if he was to be believed, we'd all be dead now, from corexit, or fukushima
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#260. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, all (#258)
Don't fault OI, he's simply speaking in tongues... :)
As well the stalling of the Loop Current is now being theorized as the reason for the harsh winter in Northern Europe and the UK.
At this time Reactor building 4 at Fukushima is leaning at 15 degrees and the neutron radiation hitting the structural steel is eroding it at a rate which will result in its likely collapse within the year. When it falls the hundred plus tons of new and spent fuel rods suspended in a holding pool above the floor fall. When it falls, and the radiation in there is now so intense that even with shielding no one can enter it or work there, most of the island of Honshu will become uninhabitable and the level of radiation in the Pacific will likely eliminate it as a source of food for generations to come. The level of radiation will approximate that of a full blown nuclear exchange. Just think your very own nuclear war without all the explosions. I bet you think that is just nifty.
There has been no effective containment of the already existing mess and Reactor 2's molten pile has likely already eaten through the concrete under the containment.
#261. To: FormerLurker (#259)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#262. To: PSUSA2, BSUSATOO, all (#261)
But I don't want to drag you into this. OI and I have been known to argue for some time.
#263. To: Original_Intent (#262)
(Edited)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#264. To: PSUSA2 (#263)
Yep. A person would have to be a fool to go against you.
#265. To: Original_Intent (#264)
Humor aside, it is not that I am so formidable but that you are not.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#266. To: PSUSA2 (#265)
#267. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#248)
I did not make that assertion. You've misread my commentary somewhere.
(My comment: This was actually Post 235 which was in response to Post 234) In a play rife with symbology and the overtones implied, or suggested, by the symbology the word "lights" stands out to my gimlet eye.
#268. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#236)
#269. To: TwentyTwelve (#268)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#270. To: Original_Intent (#267)
And in context my use of the word "lights" in 235 is in direct response to your use of the word in 234 i.e., the lights at the end of her number.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#271. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#270)
WTF have you been smoking or sniffing these past few days OI?
#272. To: TwentyTwelve (#271)
WTF have you been smoking or sniffing these past few days FL?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#273. To: TwentyTwelve (#271)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#274. To: FormerLurker (#273)
Are you one of these women possessed by demons?
#275. To: TwentyTwelve (#274)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#276. To: FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve (#270)
So to get to the point, you now find the word lights to be a satanic word, right?
#277. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker (#271)
WTF have you been smoking or sniffing these past few days OI?
#278. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker (#277)
(Edited)
#279. To: Original_Intent (#276)
I did not say it was a definite conclusion - it was just an association I floated as a follow on as suggested by your post. "Da Debil made me do it."
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#280. To: TwentyTwelve (#268)
#281. To: PSUSA2 (#279)
#282. To: Original_Intent (#281)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#283. To: PSUSA2 (#282)
#284. To: Original_Intent (#283)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#285. To: Original_Intent (#276)
(Edited)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#286. To: PSUSA2 (#285)
Charmin Basic Bath Tissue Only $0.15 a Roll at Staples!
#287. To: Original_Intent (#286)
(Edited)
I'm a relatively new satanist, for about a 1 year.
#288. To: intotheabyss (#287)
Wow! it is a jaw dropping experience observing "it's" interaction with others.
#289. To: PSUSA2 (#285)
You have to be a kike.
#290. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#291. To: Bill D Berger (#0)
#292. To: Original_Intent (#276)
However, if one presumes a Satanic/Occultic motivation underlying the "performance"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#293. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#277)
Just about everyone has at least one subject they are not entirely rational on.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#294. To: PSUSA2, Original_Intent (#279)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#295. To: FormerLurker (#293)
Sure thing slick, it started by me being somewhat taken aback by the ignorance and irrationality demonstrated by people I thought I knew.
#296. To: All (#0)
#297. To: FormerLurker (#294)
OI proclaims himself an expert in things he's totally ignorant of, because, well, just because he's OI.
#298. To: abraxas (#296)
This thread is getting bad......Janet Reno and Janet Napolitano attempting a pole dance duo bad.
#299. To: abraxas (#296)
Janet Reno and Janet Napolitano attempting a pole dance duo bad.
#300. To: Original_Intent, ALL (#286)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#301. To: Original_Intent (#298)
That is a disgusting image. Thhhhhpppppppp!
#302. To: All (#298)
(Edited)
Darn! Missed it.
#303. To: intotheabyss (#299)
That should give anyone nightmares
#304. To: abraxas (#303)
(Edited)
-Alex Kurtagic
#305. To: X-15 (#304)
If Sabelius can't bring the crowd to certain gag reflex, fear not... KKKKKaaaggggeeennn is warming up on the side-lines as fans close by shudder......wait, wait, we have one confirmed vomit and odds are we shall see more before the night is over. : P here comes Kathleen Sebelius: C-C-COMBO BREAKER-R-R-R-R!!!
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#306. To: abraxas (#305)
When you mentioned Helen Thomas, I was thinking Kagen could be the next contestant on "who can illicit the gag reflex the best" KKKKKaaaggggeeennn is warming up on the side-lines as fans close by shudder
It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
#307. To: abraxas (#305) (Edited)
Here's the new cult: man goes to Heaven by grabbing Holy Mustang Edit: Then again, maybe that's just the chili and beer kicking in..... 
-Alex Kurtagic
#308. To: FormerLurker (#300)
That's fine. You are welcome to your opinion and to give voice to it. I guess this is one where we will have to agree, amicably I hope, that we disagree on the point. To myself, and a lot of other observers who are not unintelligent, the performance definitely had the overtones and appearances of an occult ritual. I am willing, only, to go so far as to grant that it may simply have been theatrics, but those theatrics were born of her study of and dabbling in the occult, and that she has done so is a matter of public record. While I have read a little on the subject in no way would I put myself forth as an expert on the Kaballah. However, it is Jewish Mysticism and like some other mystic orders it has its hidden elements. Whatever Madonna was dramatizing is something with which she is familiar and it was presented as a carefully choreographed allegory which was filled with occult symbolism. Was it just for drama? Or was there a deeper meaning? I'm inclined to "B" but I am far from being able to prove it, but that is my sense of it for a lot of reasons I don't care to take a lot of time outlining. Honesty, I could give two shits about Madonna, I just hate to see a person publically smeared and crucified for something that is so out of touch with reality.
#309. To: abraxas (#301)
LOL! That will leave a mark on the frontal lobe for sure. : ) A searing mark, probably with horns. That is a disgusting image. Thhhhhpppppppp!
#310. To: X-15, abraxas (#307)
Grabbing hold of a pissed off Mustang is definitely a good way to get to heaven.
#311. To: Original_Intent (#309)
A homage to barfomet........lol! A searing mark, probably with horns.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#312. To: abraxas (#311)
A homage to barfomet........lol! Ooooooo! Oooooooo! Bad Girl! Next you'll be taking the name of Shakespeare in vain. A searing mark, probably with horns.
#313. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#308)
That's fine. You are welcome to your opinion and to give voice to it. I guess this is one where we will have to agree, amicably I hope, that we disagree on the point. To myself, and a lot of other observers who are not unintelligent, the performance definitely had the overtones and appearances of an occult ritual. I am willing, only, to go so far as to grant that it may simply have been theatrics, but those theatrics were born of her study of and dabbling in the occult, and that she has done so is a matter of public record. While I have read a little on the subject in no way would I put myself forth as an expert on the Kaballah. However, it is Jewish Mysticism and like some other mystic orders it has its hidden elements. Whatever Madonna was dramatizing is something with which she is familiar and it was presented as a carefully choreographed allegory which was filled with occult symbolism. Was it just for drama? Or was there a deeper meaning? I'm inclined to "B" but I am far from being able to prove it, but that is my sense of it for a lot of reasons I don't care to take a lot of time outlining.01 Great post and response O_I. Honesty, I could give two shits about Madonna, I just hate to see a person publically smeared and crucified for something that is so out of touch with reality.
#314. To: TwentyTwelve (#271)
Why are you so protective of your Goddess Madonna? He thinks he has a chance with her. ;) Madonna did not recently become a devil worshiping heathen, she has been one most of her life. WTF have you been smoking or sniffing these past few days FL?
God is always good!
#315. To: Original_Intent (#308) (Edited)
The person who placed the image of that satanic goat above Madonna's head in the image from the show KNEW that it would instantly convince the more gullible readers that she was "satanic" through the power of suggestion. My short little experiment concerning Shania Twain demonstrated how easy it is to do. If I had let it go a bit longer, and not have made it so obvious with some of the more bizarre "observations" I made, then I'm sure I would have snagged lots more fish. Oh boy, Madonna is wearing an Egyptian headdress and dancing around in a black outfit trimmed in gold, and used some of the elements of her "Vogue" (as in the MAGAZINE) video in terms of hand and arm movements. Yea skippy, she MUST be satanic because of that. You probably think ALL modern music is satanic, and don't appreciate the art of dance and theatre, thinking ANY sort of costume and dance is satanic. Hell, I'd take a guess and say you must think movies such as Ben Hur and Gladiator are satanic since they're dressed like Romans, and the same goes for Cleopatra, since she's dressed like an Egyptian. Roman and Egyptian garb is satanic in your mind apparently. You can squeal as loud as you want about what you admittedly know nothing about and can't put your finger on, but it doesn't convince me of anything more than the fact you like to squeal loudly.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#316. To: TwentyTwelve (#313)
I'm sure kissing OI's ass will make you popular with some people. Great post and response O_I.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#317. To: RickyJ (#314) (Edited)
She was born and raised Catholic, and sure, she was quite sexual perhaps, but since when is that "satanic". I guess if you don't roll around on the floor screaming shit like Linda Blair in the Exorcist, you're a "devil worshipping heathen" in your book, right Ricky? Oh wait that's right, to you heretics who formulated your own religions, Catholics are the "satanic" ones, forgot about that. From what I've seen of Southern Christian churches and beliefs, they are most CERTAINLY possessed by demonic forces, and that's probably why they're so easily led by the nose to do the bidding of evil. Madonna did not recently become a devil worshiping heathen, she has been one most of her life.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#318. To: TwentyTwelve (#313)
Thanks. 
#319. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ, Original_Intent (#317)
She was born and raised Catholic, and sure, she was quite sexual perhaps, but since when is that "satanic". I guess if you don't roll around on the floor screaming shit like Linda Blair in the Exorcist, you're a "devil worshipping heathen" in your book, right Ricky? Oh wait that's right, to you heretics who formulated your own religions, Catholics are the "satanic" ones, forgot about that. Why are you so sensitive about this thread FL? Madonna did not recently become a devil worshiping heathen, she has been one most of her life.
#320. To: Original_Intent (#318)
My pleasure sir. Thanks.
#321. To: TwentyTwelve (#319)
A) I fight against hypocrisy when I see it in action. B) I defend myself against attack. C) I stand up for those who are falsely and wrongfully accused. Why are you so sensitive about this thread FL?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#322. To: FormerLurker (#315)
"If it's naht Scottish IT's CRAP!" Yea skippy, she MUST be satanic because of that. You probably think ALL modern music is satanic, and don't appreciate the art of dance and theatre, thinking ANY sort of costume and dance is satanic.
#323. To: TwentyTwelve (#319)
And oh yeah, I hate self-righteous idiots who view themselves as superior to other people who have different yet more logical views, and those who pile on just to have some "fun".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#324. To: FormerLurker (#321)
I posted a video (see post #9). When did I attack you? Why are you attacking me? B) I defend myself against attack.
#325. To: FormerLurker (#323)
Who are you referring to? Care to be more specific? ...I hate self-righteous idiots who view themselves as superior to other people
#326. To: TwentyTwelve (#319)
It seems to me the people making accusations here most likely follow some sort of whacked out "ministry" such as Benny Hinn's, who uses mass hypnosis and the power of suggestion to get his "flock" to react the way they do. That, or he's using some sort of black magic on them, who knows...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#327. To: FormerLurker (#316)
I'm sure kissing OI's ass will make you popular with some people. Are you ok? Have you had a physical check up lately? Great post and response O_I.
#328. To: TwentyTwelve (#327)
You remind me a bit of palo verde who would grace the pages of LP with her favorite line, "great post", most of time in response to the ones which were praising GW Bush or some other neocon tripe. Are you ok? Have you had a physical check up lately?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#329. To: FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve (#326)
So, is it your contention then that anyone who disagrees with your opinion that Madonna is a poor oppressed minority is a follower of Benny Hinn? It seems to me the people making accusations here most likely follow some sort of whacked out "ministry" such as Benny Hinn's, who uses mass hypnosis and the power of suggestion to get his "flock" to react the way they do.
#330. To: FormerLurker (#326)
That, or he's using some sort of black magic on them, who knows... I also find the Denver airport very weird, strange and eerie. I spent lots of time viewing all of the murals on the airport walls there. Am I whacked out? lol It seems to me the people making accusations here most likely follow some sort of whacked out "ministry" such as Benny Hinn's, who uses mass hypnosis and the power of suggestion to get his "flock" to react the way they do.
#331. To: FormerLurker (#330)
Sorry, but the artist who designed this is not a normal person. There is definitly something sinister within his/her brain and soul. 
#332. To: TwentyTwelve (#324)
I guess your memory is fading... WTF have you been smoking or sniffing these past few days FL? Why are you so protective of your Goddess Madonna? In terms of being attacked, I wasn't specifically speaking about you. What's the matter, guilty conscience perhaps? Since you mention it, you WERE siding against me by making congratulatory comments to OI, and making snide remarks to me. And hate to burst your bubble, but Madonna is not my "goddess". She's a pop star who I've admired over the years in terms of her beauty and SOME of her music, but that's it. I posted a video (see post #9). When did I attack you? Why are you attacking me?
#271. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#270)
WTF have you been smoking or sniffing these past few days OI?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#333. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#328)
You remind me a bit of palo verde who would grace the pages of LP with her favorite line, "great post", most of time in response to the ones which were praising GW Bush or some other neocon tripe. Wow. Are you comparing Original_Intent to GW Bush? IMO I don't see the similarities. Are you ok? Have you had a physical check up lately?
#334. To: TwentyTwelve (#325)
What part of "Do not judge lest you be judged" don't you comprehend? Who are you referring to? Care to be more specific?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#335. To: TwentyTwelve (#333)
Did Dubya post on LP? I said palo would praise those who posted posts favorable of Bush. Go back and read what I wrote, not what you imagined I wrote. Wow. Are you comparing Original_Intent to GW Bush?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#336. To: TwentyTwelve (#330)
And I've posted articles concerning the murals and other disturbing aspects of Denver International Airport. And there IS a lot to be concerned about in terms of that. So? Am I whacked out? lol Do you send your money to Benny Hinn? I also find the Denver airport very weird, strange and eerie. I spent lots of time viewing all of the murals on the airport walls there.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#337. To: FormerLurker (#332)
No, I do not have any sort of guilty conscience. I am confused as to why you have been attacking me with so many posts directed at me specifically. What was in the video I posted that caused you to go off the loose end? Did you send an email to the person who created the video and tell that person how you feel and how much this video upset you? In terms of being attacked, I wasn't specifically speaking about you. What's the matter, guilty conscience perhaps?
#338. To: Original_Intent (#329) (Edited)
I think that most if not all of those who see satan everywhere they look are disturbed individuals for one, and that they most likely are fundamentalist Christians who have been indoctrinated in fear since leaving the hospital delivery room. And oh yeah, then there are those who know better yet decide to play games because they think themselves "smart" and are doing it simply for entertainment purposes. It's called "trolling". So, is it your contention then that anyone who disagrees with your opinion that Madonna is a poor oppressed minority is a follower of Benny Hinn?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#339. To: FormerLurker (#336)
Nope. Too busy trying to support Ron Paul and get him elected POTUS. Do you send your money to Benny Hinn?
#340. To: TwentyTwelve (#337)
I simply responded to the ones who posted to me, or those you posted congratulating those who were in the process of "debating" me. I am confused as to why you have been attacking me with so many posts directed at me specifically.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#341. To: TwentyTwelve (#337)
I asked you several times if you thought Hindus were satanic, since the video you posted tried to tie Hinduism in with the satanic goat. I didn't bother watching the video past that, since it was obvious it was nothing but pure unadulterated bullshit. What was in the video I posted that caused you to go off the loose end?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#342. To: TwentyTwelve (#337)
And yeah, I forgot about those earlier posts where I asked you that. You never responded to any of them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#343. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker (#333)
At the risk of offending FL this is simply getting bizarre. The thread began with the suggestion/assertion which stated that Madonna's performance was filled with occult/satanic references. The author drew a set of conclusions with which one might agree or disagree and threw in a few unsupported assertions that were not backed by references. This is all well and good and is fodder for discussion and analysis. However, for whatever reason a couple of people appear to have, for whatever reason, reacted almost as though it were a personal attack against them for questioning their deity, Madonna. From there it has spiraled down to personal attacks and references to some of the more "excitable" elements of Fundamentalist Protestantism which were not part of the Superbowl Halftime Spectacle. Now what that has to do with Madonna or the occult references used in her performance eludes me. It is little more than a strawman and a diversion. So, because I dare to support a point of view a couple of people disagree with, and share some of my reasoning, I have somehow become a purveyor of the evil doctrine of logic. Or is because I use logic that I am somehow "putting on airs" for daring to try to use sound reasoning? This is rapidly begin to take the shape of another appendix for "Alice Through The Looking Glass".
#344. To: FormerLurker (#335)
Did Dubya post on LP? I said palo would praise those who posted posts favorable of Bush. Go back and read what I wrote, not what you imagined I wrote. Advice you could stand to take yourself vis a vis #234 & #235 since you construed and twisted my comment into unrecognizable form and then attacked the distorted representation. Wow. Are you comparing Original_Intent to GW Bush?
#345. To: FormerLurker (#340)
I simply responded to the ones who posted to me, or those you posted congratulating those who were in the process of "debating" me. Not true. See posts: #24, #160, #272, #273, #275 I am confused as to why you have been attacking me with so many posts directed at me specifically.
#346. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#343) (Edited)
If you think the following image is a "fair and balanced" analysis, you're insane. It's nothing more than sensationalistic bullshit, which you are usually acutely aware of and dismiss. Yet here, you found it fun and entertaining to "go with the flow" rather than fight for truth, or at least try to seek it out. It started by me responding to some of the more whacked out assertions made, and questioning your motives for siding with such wild-eyed fanatical bullshit, not in those words, but in similar meaning. You have been toying with this thread for days, each time, getting a bit more personal with your insults and comments. Like I said earlier, fuck you. 
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#347. To: FormerLurker (#338)
I think that most if not all of those who see satan everywhere they look are disturbed individuals for one, and that they most likely are fundamentalist Christians who have been indoctrinated in fear since leaving the hospital delivery room. And oh yeah, then there are those who know better yet decide to play games because they think themselves "smart" and are doing it simply for entertainment purposes. It's called "trolling". And so of course it never enters your reasoning or assumptions that there could be more than those two alternatives? Did it even occur to you that there might be other viewpoints? So, is it your contention then that anyone who disagrees with your opinion that Madonna is a poor oppressed minority is a follower of Benny Hinn?
#348. To: Original_Intent (#344)
You commented that you saw the word "Lights" as a tribute to Lucifer. It wasn't clear WHERE you saw that word, and in the end, you said that it was in MY post that you saw it. So basically you are claiming that I was "giving tribute" to Lucifer because I used the fucking word "lights". You are one sick puppy OI. Advice you could stand to take yourself vis a vis #234 & #235 since you construed and twisted my comment into unrecognizable form and then attacked the distorted representation.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#349. To: FormerLurker (#346)
The author is making a comparison. It is his interpretation of what she is representing. You can agree or disagree with the interpretation but I think you are reading a malice into it that is not there. The comparison is the authors assertion of evidence for his interpretation. If you disagree with it then fine. Personally I'm neutral on it since I have not studied the subject enough. What I know of ancient religions and beliefs comes from my interest in archaeology and following the lunacy of the Bilderberger/NWO crowd since they, by all appearances, are invested in these occult belief systems. Personally, I think you are overreacting. If you think the following image is a "fair and balanced" analysis, you're insane.
#350. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#343)
Madonna's performance WAS filled with occult/satanic references. No one can dispute this. What is in dispute is whether this was the underlying reason for her Superbowl performance. There is really no way to know for sure unless someone can ask Madonna this question and why she chose such a controversial subject. Perhaps FormerLurker can find this out as he seems "close" to her. The thread began with the suggestion/assertion which stated that Madonna's performance was filled with occult/satanic references.
#351. To: Original_Intent (#347)
This thread has swung back and forth from bizzaro images posted in an attempt to smear a performer for whatever reason or motive, to me questioning WHY people who I USED to view as rational are BELIEVING such wild-eyed crap. Interspersed in there was some religious theological discussions, but time and time again, you'd come back with even more psuedo-logical BS to drag the thread back to "SHE A SATANIST, IS SHE YOUR GODDESS" bullshit against me. So yeah, you know what you're doing OI. Did it even occur to you that there might be other viewpoints?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#352. To: TwentyTwelve (#350)
Name me ONE. Madonna's performance WAS filled with occult/satanic references.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#353. To: TwentyTwelve, All (#20)
So when are you going to respond to this question? From the "Look at her arms" part of that video you posted, where they compare it to a Hindu painting, then show an image of the satanic goat, are they trying to tie Hinduism in with satanism?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#354. To: FormerLurker (#348)
It wasn't clear WHERE you saw that word, and in the end, you said that it was in MY post that you saw it. So basically you are claiming that I was "giving tribute" to Lucifer because I used the fucking word "lights". You are one sick puppy OI. No, that is your misinterpretation. Read the posts again. You commented about the lights used to spell out world peace and the context flowing from the earlier comments was that the NWO crowd likes to use hidden references and pervert good into evil. I simply commented, a speculation, that the lights were evocative of a couple of the names of Lucifer - specifically "The Lord of Light". The rest is your unwarranted and unsupported speculation as to what you think I was thinking. I did not state it as a firm conclusion although I was aware that it could be misinterpreted - which you obligingly did. In other words you were making an unwarranted assumption from which you then launched an attack. If you are going to attack someone at least get your facts straight. You commented that you saw the word "Lights" as a tribute to Lucifer.
#355. To: TwentyTwelve (#345)
#24 Yeah, so do you think Elvis was satanic because he had similar arm gestures in that image? See posts:
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#356. To: Original_Intent (#354)
You tried to associate an innocent act of spelling World Peace so that it can be seen by the crowd and by the TV cameras as some sort of evil NWO message. You are delusional.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#357. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#351)
Madonna knew that her show would be extremely controversial. If she didn't know this than she is not very intelligent. Why would she expose herself to something like this? Perhaps to get attention? Perhaps to sell more DVDs? btw: Madonna superbowl occult - Google Search 3,070,000 Results!!!! This thread has swung back and forth from bizzaro images posted in an attempt to smear a performer for whatever reason or motive
#358. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker (#350)
Madonna's performance WAS filled with occult/satanic references. No one can dispute this. What is in dispute is whether this was the underlying reason for her Superbowl performance. There is really no way to know for sure unless someone can ask Madonna this question and why she chose such a controversial subject. Perhaps FormerLurker can find this out as he seems "close" to her. I stand corrected and I think that a fair summation. Since, I'm not a mind reader either (saving a few odd transient and very momentary blips) let's ask FL. Well FL, can you axe Madonna for us? Was it just theater or was there a hidden motivation for all of the occultic references? The thread began with the suggestion/assertion which stated that Madonna's performance was filled with occult/satanic references.
#359. To: FormerLurker (#355)
Yeah, so do you think Elvis was satanic because he had similar arm gestures in that image?
#360. To: FormerLurker (#356)
You are delusional. And you are reading a lot more into the comment than was there. Count to ten, clear your mind reread from about 225 forward newly and in a new unit of time as though it is the first time you ever looked at it. I'm not trying to make you wrong I'm just trying to get you to step out of your preconceptions and not read something into the comment that is not there. You tried to associate an innocent act of spelling World Peace so that it can be seen by the crowd and by the TV cameras as some sort of evil NWO message.
#361. To: Original_Intent, ALL (#58)
There are clearly symbolic overtones in her garb however what they are meant to symbolize and why remains an open question. If I were to take a stab at it, it would be that she is mimicking "The Harlot of Babylon", and perhaps the High Priestess of the Temple of Set. And here's a doozie from you back from post #58. You are full of it in terms of a "Masonic Apron", as it looks nothing like one, and I DID post an image of one worn by George Washington. Google is your friend, look up "Masonic Apron" in Google images, you'll see I'm right, and you're not. You are ALSO full of it in terms of a "High Priestess of the Temple of Set", since for one, you can't even tell us WHAT a "High Priestess of the Temple of Set" would wear, but that's not all. If Madonna follows Kabbalah, she would be an ENEMY of the Temple of Set, since she'd be on the "Right Hand Path", and they are not, far from it in fact. In fact, I pointed out that what you called her "Masonic Apron" is nothing more than a Roman device, and I posted an example of such. So when are you going to admit that you were bullshitting everyone here that you're some sort of expert on this, and that you were flat out wrong? Her Girdle/Belt is reminiscent of a Mason's Apron.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#362. To: TwentyTwelve (#350)
Liar. Point out ONE. I'm still waiting. Madonna's performance WAS filled with occult/satanic references.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#363. To: TwentyTwelve (#359)
LOL! Love it. Consider it stolen.
#364. To: TwentyTwelve (#357)
Yeah, look up "satanic christians"... About 6,950,000 results (0.16 seconds) 3,070,000 Results!!!!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#365. To: TwentyTwelve (#359)
Head your own words 2012.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#366. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, ALL (#358)
THIS THREAD WILL BE OVER once we confirm this. We are getting very close to the end. Finally after 3240 Views. Was it just theater or was there a hidden motivation for all of the occultic references?
#367. To: TwentyTwelve (#345)
See posts: #160 You posted some wild-eyed fanatical article titled "Madonna’s Black Mass, New World Order Rite in Diana’s Place" back in post 158. So yep, in post 160 I asked you the following... Why do you hate Madonna? What is it about her that makes you folks wish to dump on her and accuse her of being a satanic witch basically? Do you want her burned at the stake? Would that satisfy you? You still haven't answered THOSE questions either. Neither the Romans nor the Egyptians worshipped Lucifer. Lucifer is a Jewish/Christian invention.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#368. To: FormerLurker (#361)
Reminiscent adj., tending to remind someone of something. from Latin reminisci So, when I said it reminded me of something it did. That is not an assertion that it was. Again you are reading things in that are not there. I stand corrected. From what I have read since her headpiece is more like that of a Priestess in the Temple of Ishtar. However, the reference to "The Whore of Babylon" stands as others have made the same simile and it seems to hold up against the mythological background. You are ALSO full of it in terms of a "High Priestess of the Temple of Set", since for one, you can't even tell us WHAT a "High Priestess of the Temple of Set" would wear,
#369. To: FormerLurker (#364)
Yeah, look up "satanic christians"... About 6,950,000 results (0.16 seconds) You may want to read this. It makes one think outside the box. Power of Prophecy: Codex Magica—Secret Signs, Mysterious Symbols, and Hidden Codes of the Illuminati3,070,000 Results!!!!
#370. To: TwentyTwelve (#350) (Edited)
Point out ONE. I'm STILL waiting. I hear crickets. Madonna's performance WAS filled with occult/satanic references.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#371. To: TwentyTwelve (#369)
The guy who wrote that is a nutjob. No thanks. Power of Prophecy: Codex Magica—Secret Signs, Mysterious Symbols, and Hidden Codes of the Illuminati
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#372. To: TwentyTwelve (#369)
There ARE some things to be concerned about, but never trust a Christian Fundamentalist to do any sort of legitimate research into the occult, as anything that's not in the Bible HAS to be satanic according to them. If you wish to find out the truth, you need to do your own research, and not trust some guy who runs a money making operation and calls himself a "minister".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#373. To: Original_Intent (#368)
The whole article actually does look kinda dumb.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#374. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, ALL (#366)
THIS THREAD WILL BE OVER once we confirm this. We are getting very close to the end. Finally after 3240 Views. That really is the central question and was the original reason for my interest in the thread in the first place. I am of the OPINION (emphasis to avoid someone again misinterpreting my meaning) that it was but I can't prove it. However, I am also willing to accept it was just theatrics too. There simply is not enough data, at this point, to settle it conclusively. Gad! I hope there is an end to this thread. I'm sorry I ever commented on it. Was it just theater or was there a hidden motivation for all of the occultic references?
#375. To: FormerLurker (#372)
I always do my own research. Everyone should do the same. However, most people have trouble thinking outside the box. If you wish to find out the truth, you need to do your own research, and not trust some guy who runs a money making operation and calls himself a "minister".
#376. To: FormerLurker (#370)
Point out ONE. I'm STILL waiting. I hear crickets. It's been addressed. I'm not going to reinvent the wheel. You may not like the way that it has been addressed but I guess that is just a burden I'll have to bear. Madonna's performance WAS filled with occult/satanic references.
#377. To: Original_Intent (#374)
THIS THREAD WILL BE OVER once we confirm this. We are getting very close to the end. Finally after 3240 Views. That really is the central question and was the original reason for my interest in the thread in the first place. This is also why I got involved. At that time this thread had 68 views. Here we are days later with 3373 Views. Was it just theater or was there a hidden motivation for all of the occultic references?
#378. To: FormerLurker (#371)
I wouldn't say that everyone who writes something you disagree with is a nutjob. The guy who wrote that is a nutjob
#379. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, all (#374)
Gad! I hope there is an end to this thread. I'm sorry I ever commented on it.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#380. To: TwentyTwelve (#377)
It certainly could have been explored without all of the acrimony. Actually I don't regret being interested in it, but the thread certainly could have been debated and explored without all of the heated attacks and irrelevant accusations that everyone who sees what is plainly there is a follower of Jim Jones or Benny Hinn and trying to teach the world to sing in tongues.
#381. To: wudidiz (#379)
Thhhhhpppppppp! LOL!
#382. To: TwentyTwelve (#378)
The guy thinks ANYTHING occult is "satanic". Occult simply means "hidden". And sure, there are some occult groups who work for good, and others who work for evil. Those on the evil side aren't even that "occult" anymore, in terms of staying "hidden". Just look at the Church of Satan or the Temple of Set as examples of those performing evil works. If you wish to find a POSITIVE occult group to research, look up the Rosicrucians or the Order of the Golden Dawn. Now was there a member of the Golden Dawn who broke away and became deranged and evil, and started his own order, yes, his name was Aleister Crowley. BUT, he was ejected from the Golden Dawn due to his "issues". I wouldn't say that everyone who writes something you disagree with is a nutjob.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#383. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#376)
With lies. You were proven wrong in your "analysis" and have yet to admit it. Now, can you find a single ONE THING which indicates Madonna performed a "Black Mass" (which TwentyTwelve obviously has no concept of), or a "satanic ritual"? Can you find one obviously evil thing at ALL, even any innocent "occult" symbolism that you can clearly identify? It's been addressed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#384. To: Original_Intent (#368)
Isis was not a "whore", she was the mother of the Egyptian equivilant of Jesus, Osirus. It's sort of like calling the Virgin Mary a whore. However, the reference to "The Whore of Babylon" stands as others have made the same simile and it seems to hold up against the mythological background.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#385. To: TwentyTwelve (#9)
Hey it looks like the guy who posted the video you embedded decided it wasn't a great idea to commit slander and libel apparently. It now shows "This video has been removed by user".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#386. To: Original_Intent (#368)
Speaking of the "Whore of Babylon", you ARE aware that Ron Hubbard (founder of Scientology) attempted to incarnate such an entity into a woman he was using as a vessel for such, aren't you? What are your thoughts on Scientology? The odd beginning of Ron Hubbard's career "The Whore of Babylon"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#387. To: FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz (#383)
Here is another interesting reading from Vigilant Citizen: When I learned that Madonna – aka the Grand Priestess of the music industry – would be performing at the Superbowl halftime show, I thought: “This should be interesting”. And it was. While most were amazed by a woman in her fifties dancing around with LMFAO and others were annoyed at her lip-syncing, I was interested with something else: the flurry of symbolism flashed to billions of viewers worldwide. While most considered Madonna’s performance as an entertaining interlude to the most important football game of the year, those blessed with symbol-literacy will probably agree with the following statement: Madonna’s halftime show was a big celebration of the Illuminati industry and of its Grand Priestess, Madonna. A week before the Superbowl, Madonna described on Anderson Cooper the spiritual importance she attributed to her halftime show: “The Superbowl is kind of like the Holy of Holies in America. I’ll come at halfway of the “church experience” and I’m gonna have to deliver a sermon. It’ll have to be very impactful.” It is rather appropriate that this Kaballah-intiate referred to the Superbowl as the “Holy of Holies” as it was the name of the most sacred place in Solomon’s Temple. No one was ever permitted to enter the Holy of Holies but the High Priest. This privilege was only granted on the Day of Atonement, to offer the blood of sacrifice and incense before the mercy seat. Madonna’s analogy was therefore telling of the mindset behind her performance. Let’s look at the main parts of her show. Madonna entrance is an elaborate procession fit for a High Priestess or even a goddess. Pushed by hundreds of Roman soldiers and welcomed by hundreds of women, Madonna's glorious entrance is a reflection of her status in the entertainment world. Her first performance was highly influenced by ancient Egypt-Sumeria-Babylon and Madonna’s costume recalls an ancient Babylonian goddess. The decor of Madonna's first performance combines elements from ancient Egypt, Sumeria and Babylon. Madonna herself is dressed in a way that highly resembles an Ancient Sumerian/Babylonian goddess, Inanna-Ishtar. Ishtar with her foot on a roaring lion and wearing a distinctive headdress resembling Madonna's horned crown. Ishtar is often depicted with wings, a feature that is recalled on Madonna's "carriage". Ishtar was a powerful and assertive goddess whose areas of control and influence included warfare, love, sexuality, prosperity, fertility and prostitution. She sought the same existence as men, enjoying the glory of battle and seeking sexual experiences. Madonna’s portrayal as Ishtar is therefore quite interesting as one can argue that the pop singer has embodied, throughout her career, the same assertive yet highly sexual qualities of Ishtar, even achieving a state of power in the music industry that is usually reserved to men. On an esoteric level, Ishtar is associated with the planet Venus, known as the Morning Star or the Evening Star. The presence of two Sphinxes in front of Madonna greatly resembles the tarot card The Chariot. According to Manly P. Hall: "This card signifies the Exalted One who rides in the chariot of creation. The sphinxes drawing the chariot resent the secret and unknown power by which the victorious ruler is moved continuously through the various parts of his universe." So, in this mythologically-charged setting, Madonna performed Vogue. During the performance, covers of Vogue Magazine were displayed, a publication that is at the forefront of Illuminati symbolism in fashion (as seen in the series of articles Symbolic Pics of the Month). Vogue ends with a symbol that is consistent with the Egyptian-Babylonian theme of the performance, one that is also of highest importance in occult Secret Societies such as Freemasons, the Rosicrucians and the Illuminati: the Winged Sun-Disk. The song ends with the displaying of a Winged Sun-Disk. Egyptian mystics used the winged sun for ritualistic magic and invocations: “‘Emblematic of the element of air, this consists of a circle or solar-type disk enclosed by a pair of wings. In ritual magic it is suspended over the alter in an easterly direction and used when invoking the protection and co-operation of the sylphs.” The winged sun is still being used today by groups like the Freemasons, the Theosophists and the Rosicrucians. “The Winged Globe is pre-eminently a Rosicrucian symbol, although the Illuminati may lay claim to it, and it may be admitted that it is of Egyptian origin. The Winged Globe is the symbol of the perfected soul making its flight back to the source of its creation in the Elysian fields beyond.” The symbol of the winged-sun inside a Masonic lodge. The display of this symbol, although apparently trivial and aesthetic, emphasizes on the occult spiritual dimension underlying Madonna’s entire performance. // // ]]> Later in the show, Madonna performed her new single Give Me All Your Luvin’. The song features two new industry favorites: Nikki Minaj and M.I.A. In the song’s music video and during the Superbowl performance, these two female rappers are portrayed in a specific way: Instead of being presented as full-fledged artists contributing to Madonna’s song, they are portrayed as her “minions” who are cheering for the industry’s High Priestess. This “relationship” where Madonna is in power – and therefore the handler – is drenched in Mind Control symbolism, specifically Beta Programming, also know Sex Kitten Programming. In the video for Give me Your Luvin', Madonna, Nikki Minaj and M.I.A. are dressed as Marilyn Monroe, the ultimate prototype of Sex Kitten Programming. Another symbol associated with Sex Kitten programming is feline prints clothing and textiles. The entire half-time show was an animal-print extravaganza. Madonna closed the halftime show with one of her biggest hits: Like a Prayer. The video of this song was always controversial due to its mixing of religious themes with sexuality. As the song starts, the show takes on a very solemn and spiritual vibe as Madonna and Cee-Lo Green enter the stage to give the final sermon. Religious figures are usually dressed in white to represent purity and godliness. The two singers where dressed in black robes and black robes are usually used in…black masses. As the song begins, a huge eye pupil is displayed before the stage, hinting to the Illuminati-influence of this spiritual performance. Madonna’s halftime show ends in a dramatic yet very significant matter: At the end of her performance, the floor opens underneath Madonna's feet and she falls into oblivion. As Madonna is swept in what appears to be the “Underworld”, Madonna sings “I hear you call my name, And it feels like home”. This is another inversion of conventional religious symbolism as “home” should be in the heavens. In Madonna’s case, she obviously didn’t go in that direction. The show ends with a message no one can disagree with. The words "World Peace" appear on the stage, a PR-friendly slogan used by those pushing for a New World Order lead by a one world government. When taken individually, the symbols described above can be simply considered as “cool-looking” and most Superbowl viewers did not give them much attention. The packing all of these signs and symbols in one comprehensive 13 minute performance cannot however be dismissed as “random images”. Quite to the contrary, the combination of all of these symbols form a whole and define with great depth the underlying philosophy and Agenda of those in power – the Illuminati. Madonna’s embrace of the Illuminati symbolism discussed on this site coincides with her signing with Interscope Records, one of the main purveyors of Illuminati symbolism in the music industry. Her halftime show performance can therefore be considered as the “launching” of her three-album (and 40 million dollars) relationship with the prominent label. Madonna’s Superbowl performance has shown that, despite the fact that she is an industry icon and that she pioneered most of the themes modern pop stars still exploit, she still needs to fit the mold and to embrace the same symbolism rookie pop stars. Laced with profound imagery, Madonna’s halftime performance was a massive Illuminati ritual, one that was witnessed by billions of viewers. On this Superbowl “Day of Atonement”, Madonna, the High Priestess of the Illuminati industry, entered the Holy of Holies of America and delivered a 13 minutes sermon that was heard by all…but understood by few. 
Vogue or Entrance of the Priestess
-Hope, Murry, “Practical Egyptian Magic”
-Swinburne, Clymer, “The Rosicrucians, Their Teachings”
// Give Me All Your Luvin’ or Madonna’s Sex Kittens
Like a Prayer or the Final Sermon
In Conclusion
#388. To: Original_Intent (#387)
Let me just touch on this a bit... Are these people "satanists"? College of Saint Benedict Women's Choral Club Minneapolis-based VocalEssence Ensemble Singers Catholic Nuns The two singers where dressed in black robes and black robes are usually used in…black masses.
Do you see how absurd that statement is?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#389. To: Original_Intent (#387)
More hysterical claims and bullshit. I could say anyone and everyone is a Grand Priest or Priestess, and claim the "Illuminati" are "celebrating" whenever ANY event is on TV. Again, you and your pals find demons up your ass. Madonna’s halftime show was a big celebration of the Illuminati industry and of its Grand Priestess, Madonna.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#390. To: Original_Intent (#387)
Uh no, fail. It is reminiscent of the Egyptian goddess Isis, not a "Babylonian goddess". Her first performance was highly influenced by ancient Egypt-Sumeria-Babylon and Madonna’s costume recalls an ancient Babylonian goddess.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#391. To: Original_Intent (#387)
More bullshit. Look up images for "Inanna-Ishtar", she is depicted as naked. I don't see Madonna naked, do you? What few clothed images I can find of that goddess looks NOTHING at all like how Madonna dressed. Madonna herself is dressed in a way that highly resembles an Ancient Sumerian/Babylonian goddess, Inanna-Ishtar.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#392. To: FormerLurker (#391)
Whatever dude. I don't know what's driving you but somewhere way back in this thread rational discussion disappeared. I'm done. Later.
#393. To: Original_Intent (#387)
More bullshit. Madonna was wearing a headdress resembling that of Isis, and it wasn't a "horned crown", it was more of a sort of blade shaped set of protrusions. Again, here's an image of Isis. Ishtar with her foot on a roaring lion and wearing a distinctive headdress resembling Madonna's horned crown.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#394. To: Original_Intent (#387)
I'll concede the tarot Chariot symbolism, hadn't noticed it before. But the interpretation is wrong. On the Tree of Life, Christian Kabbalists represent rebirth (as the resurrected Jesus) by the Sephirot Tipereth, which correlates with the Chariot tarot trump. It can also be seen as the "Understanding of Beauty" and the "Beauty of Understanding". It is certainly not "satanic". As far as some of the wilder claims concerning mind-control, I think he's just tossing that in make his story more "juicy". In regards to the following remark, I suppose anyone who wants world peace must an Illuminati Freemasonic satanist striving for a New World Order, eh? The words "World Peace" appear on the stage, a PR-friendly slogan used by those pushing for a New World Order lead by a one world government.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#395. To: Original_Intent (#387) (Edited)
So what about Ron Hubbard and his attempted incarnation of the Whore of Babylon? He even had a name for it; it was called the Babylon Working. Should we discuss the Church of Scientology, and how its founder thought that he WAS satan himself? Sure ok, Madonna may have used some esoteric symbology, NONE of which was "satanic" or evil. What about those who hide behind a tax-exempt "church", and who ARE satanic, wittingly or not?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#396. To: Original_Intent, All (#395)
So OI, what do you think of this? L Ron Hubbard's son said, in his 1983 interview with Penthouse Magazine: "L Ron Hubbard Jr., ( Ron DeWolf ): I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology -- and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#397. To: randge (#289)
I am within reason. Who are you? Did you buy this site? Or were you made a moderator? If neither is true, then fuck off. I'm staying here. If you can't keep it within reason, there's LP and a host of other places where you can unload like that.
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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#398. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, Bill D Berger (#385)
It now shows "This video has been removed by user". hmmmmmm. Most of the original 911 videos have been removed from the internet as well. Is there something in the videos the Illuminati does not want us to see? Hey it looks like the guy who posted the video you embedded decided it wasn't a great idea to commit slander and libel apparently.
#399. To: TwentyTwelve (#398)
Really? I can still find a slew of them. Perhaps you're not looking hard enough. Most of the original 911 videos have been removed from the internet as well.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#400. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#395) (Edited)
From my own research into the so-called "Babylon Working", Hubbard was a minor player in that ritual if that. All reports that I have come across make it quite clear that the real mastermind behind it was Jack Parsons Jack Parsons: The Magickal Scientist So what about Ron Hubbard and his attempted incarnation of the Whore of Babylon? He even had a name for it; it was called the Babylon Working.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
#401. To: Bill D Berger, Original_Intent (#400)
All reports that I have come across make it quite clear that the real mastermind behind it was Jack Parsons Oh sure Parsons was involved, it was his idea. Thing is, Hubbard very much helped Parson setup and prepare for that ritual, and was a key player in that "working".... From the link I already posted... Parson mentions that windstorms occurred on a couple of nights and one night the power supply failed. But nothing seriously responsive until January 14, when Ron was struck on the right shoulder and had a candle knocked out of his hand. "He called me," Parsons wrote, "and we observed a brownish yellow light about seven feet high. I brandished a magical sword and it disappeared. Ron's right arm was paralyzed for the rest of the night. The following night was even more portentious. Hubbard apparently saw a vision of one of Parsons' enemies. Parsons wrote, "He attacked the figure and pinned it to the door with four big throwing knives with which he is expert." For four days Parsons and Hubbard were in a state of tension. Then, on January 18, Parsons turned to Ron and said, "It is done." He added, "I returned home and found a young woman answering the requirements waiting for me." The incarnation ritual set out in Parsons' manuscript, The Book of Babalon, is difficult reading for the unconfirmed spiritualist. Broadly interpreted, Parsons and Hubbard constructed an altar and Hubbard acted as high priest during a series of ceremonies in which Parsons and the girl shared sex. The owner of the documents, who is an expert on Crowley's magic, says that Parsons at this stage was completely under Hubbard's domination. How else can one explain Hubbard's role as High priest in the rites after only a few weeks in the trade? For the first of the birth ceremonies which began on March 1 Hubbard wore white and carried a lamp while Parsons was cloaked in a black, hooded garment carrying a cup and dagger. At Hubbard's suggestion they played Rachmaninoff's Isle of the dead as background music. Parsons account of the start of the birth ritual is as follows: "The Scribe (Hubbard) said, 'The year of babalon is 4063. She is the flame of life, power of darkness, she destroys with a glance, she may take thy soul. She feeds upon the death of mean. beautiful -- horrible.' The scribe, now pale and sweating rested awhile, then continued." There are two possible reasons why Hubbard showed anxiety at this stage of the ceremony, the owner of the papers says. He was either deeply moved by the spiritual depth of the ceremony or he couldnt think what to say next. Hubbard further instructed Parsons: "display thyself to our lady; dedicate thy organs to her; display thy mind to her; dedicate thy soul to her, for she shall sbsorb thee. Retire from human contact until noon tommarro. Speak not of this ritual. Discuss nothing of it. Consult no book but thine own mind. Thou art a god. Behave at this alter as one before another." On the third day the ritual began four hours before dawn. Ron tells his companion, "lay out a white sheet. Place upon it blood of birth. Envision her approaching thee. Think upon the lewd, lascivious things thou coulds't do. All is good to Babalon. All. Preserve the material basis. Thus lust is hers, the passion yours. Consider thou the Beast raping." These invocations along with other passages in the ritual indicates that Parsons had collected specimens of his own sperm and the girls menstrual fluid. The climax of the ceremony occurred the following day with Ron at he altar working his two subjects into a sexual frenzy. Over Rachmaninoff he intoned such gems as: Her mouth is red and her breasts are fair and her loins are full of fire, And her lust is strong as a man is strong in the heat of her desire. An exalted Parsons wrote the next day, "Babalon is incarnate upon the earth today awaiting the proper hour of her manifestation. And in that day my work will be accomplished and I shall be blown away upon the breath of the father even as it is prophecied." (In fact, Parsons was "blown away" in a rocket experiment laboratory in Pasadena in 1952.) Unable to contain his joy, Parsons decided to tell Crowley what had happened. On March 6 he wrote, "I can hardly tell you or decide ho much to write I am under command of extreme secrecy. I have had the most important, devastating experience of my life." Crowley was dumbfounded by the news of the incarnation ceremony. He wrote back, "You have me completely puzzled by your remarks. I thought I had the most morbid imagination but it seems I have not. I cannot form the slightest idea what you can possibly mean" With a distinct note of concern he dashed off a letter on the same day to the head of his American cult saying, "Apparently Parsons or Hubbard or somebody is producing a Moonchild. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts." (This acid rebuke comes from a man whose activities were once summed up by a judge like this: "I have never heard such dreadful, horrible, blasphemous and abominable stuff as that which has been produced by the man who describes himself as the greatest living poet.") By May that same year Crowley was not only concerned about Parsons spiritual well-being. There was a smaller matter of certain moneys. When the trio formed their business enterprise, Parsons is believed to have put in 17,000 dollars, Hubbard about 1,000 dollars, and Betty nothing. Using about 10,000 dollars of he money, Hubbard and his newly acquired girlfriend, Betty, bought a yacht. A report to the head of the American branch by another cult member says, "Ron and Betty have their boat at Miami, Florida, and are living the life of Riley, while Brother John (Parsons) is living at rock bottom and I mean rock bottom. In a more sinister way, the report added: "Let is consider this matter of the magical child which Jack Parsons is supposed to turn loose on the world in nine months (now seven). Ron, the Seer, was the guy who laid down the main ideas, technic (sic), etc., of said operation." On reading Parson's accounts of the ceremony and the reports from branch headquarters in America, Crowley cabled his U S office on May 22: "Suspect Ron playing confidence trick -- Jack Parsons weak fool -- obvious victim prowling swindlers." In a letter a few days later he said, "It seems to me on the information of our brethren in California that Parsons has got an illumination in which he lost all his personal independence. From our brother's account, he has given away both his girl and his money . Apparently it is the ordinary confidence trick." A much-chastened Parsons wrote to Crowley on July 5, "Here I am in Miami pursuing the children of my folly. I have them well tied up. They cannot move without going to jail. However, I am afraid that most of the money has already been spent. I will be lucky to salvage 3,000 to 5,000 dollars." Just how Parsons managed to capture the errant lovers is in keeping with the other extraordinary chapters of this story. "Hubbard attempted to escapeme," Parsons wrote, "by sailing at 5 p.m. and performed a full invocation to the Bartzabel within the circle at 8 p.m. (a curse). At the same time, however, his ship was struck by a sudden squall off the coast which ripped off his sails and forced him back to port where I took the boat in custody." Parsons recovered financially and possibly as a backlash to his experience with Hubbard, he took the Oath of the AntiChrist in 1948 and changed his name to Belarion Armiluss Al Dajjal AntiChrist. In his scientology publications Hubbard says of the period, "Crippled and blinded at the end of the war I resumed studies of philosophy and by my discoveries recovered so fully that I was reclassified in 1949 for full combat duty." Hubbard claims that more than two dozen thinkers, prophets and psychologists influenced scientology (which he launched in 1951); everyone from Plato, Jesus of Nazareth to Sigmund Freud whom he says he studied under in Vienna. The record can now be righted with the inclusion of Aleister Crowley, the Beast, 666. From my own research into the so-called "Babylon Working", Hubbard was a minor player in that ritual if that.
Meanwhile preparations for the mystical mission were well under way. From January 4 to 15, 1946, Parsons and Hubbard engaged in a nightly ritual of incantation, talisman-waving and other black magic faithfully described in Parsons diary as Conjuration of Air, Invocation of Wand and Consecration of Air Dagger. With a Prokofiev violin concerto blaring away the two of them pleaded with the spirits for "an elemental mate" -- a girl willing to go through sexual rites to incarnate Babalon in the spirit world.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#402. To: Bill D Berger (#400)
Out of curiousity, are you a Scientologist?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#403. To: FormerLurker (#402)
Why, because I made the point that Hubbard was nothing more than a glorified assistant to Parsons' Babylon Working? You really are dense if you can't tell from my posts that I have nothing to do with Scientology. Out of curiousity, are you a Scientologist?
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
#404. To: Bill D Berger (#403)
You made that claim, but apparently you skipped the part where Hubbard INSTRUCTED Parsons on HOW to do the "working" and PARTICIPATED in it. I made the point that Hubbard was nothing more than a glorified assistant to Parsons' Babylon Working
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#405. To: FormerLurker (#371)
The guy who wrote that is a nutjob. No thanks. I forgot that you think you know everything. In fact, you probably know more than Texe Marrs does about hidden codes and symbols. LOL Power of Prophecy: Codex Magica—Secret Signs, Mysterious Symbols, and Hidden Codes of the Illuminati
#406. To: FormerLurker (#328)
You remind me a bit of palo verde who would grace the pages of LP with her favorite line, "great post", most of time in response to the ones which were praising GW Bush or some other neocon tripe. You remind me of Yukon who would always take over a thread, downgrade all of the other posters, and waste everyone's time. What alias are you now using at LP? Are you ok? Have you had a physical check up lately?
#407. To: TwentyTwelve (#406)
You know, I was going to say the same thing about you last night. What is YOUR handle on LP these days, GrandIsland perhaps? You remind me of Yukon who would always take over a thread, downgrade all of the other posters, and waste everyone's time.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#408. To: TwentyTwelve (#405) (Edited)
It wouldn't take much to know more than him. In fact, you probably know more than Texe Marrs does about hidden codes and symbols.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#409. To: FormerLurker (#407)
You know, I was going to say the same thing about you last night. What is YOUR handle on LP these days, GrandIsland perhaps? What if it turns out that we have been posting to each other at LP recently? LOL You remind me of Yukon who would always take over a thread, downgrade all of the other posters, and waste everyone's time.
#410. To: FormerLurker (#408)
It wouldn't take much to know more than him. Texe Marrs makes lots of $$$ on his books. He apparently can't be that stupid. In fact, you probably know more than Texe Marrs does about hidden codes and symbols.
#411. To: TwentyTwelve (#405)
BTW, did you send him your $35 to get a glimpse of his vast knowledge on "mysterious symbols and hidden codes of the Illuminati"? Sucker. LOL!!!!!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#412. To: FormerLurker (#411)
Sucker. LOL!!!!! I bought several and passed them out. :) Texe is waking up lots of people! BTW, did you send him your $35 to get a glimpse of his vast knowledge on "mysterious symbols and hidden codes of the Illuminati"?
#413. To: TwentyTwelve (#410)
So do Benny Hinn, Harold Camping (well he DID at least till all his rapture predictions failed), and John Hagee with their TV ministries. Apparently they aren't stupid either, but their "flocks" most definitely are. Texe Marrs makes lots of $$$ on his books. He apparently can't be that stupid.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#414. To: TwentyTwelve (#412)
It'd be quite easy to make a killing off of gullible and pliable sheep.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#415. To: TwentyTwelve (#409)
I haven't posted there since the last time I got banned there years ago. I don't like to visit that cesspool except for entertainment purposes, and on the blue moon that something intelligent get's posted there. What if it turns out that we have been posting to each other at LP recently?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#416. To: FormerLurker (#413)
So do Benny Hinn, Harold Camping (well he DID at least till all his rapture predictions failed), and John Hagee with their TV ministries. Apparently they aren't stupid either, but their "flocks" most definitely are. I wish you would have told me this sooner before I bought and handed out so many of his books. For some reason most of the people who have read Texe's books really like them and are now able to think outside of the box. Thinking outside of the box is a good thing isn't it? Texe Marrs makes lots of $$$ on his books. He apparently can't be that stupid.
#417. To: TwentyTwelve (#416) (Edited)
How many people gave all their money and wordly possessions to the rapture nutter Harold Camping? Because a lot of people did it, does that mean they were right to do so?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#418. To: PSUSA2 (#397)
Me too. And when others can't help themselves and have to blurt out unprovoked epithets like spoiled five year old children, I will call them out. "Fuck off" is precisely where you are at. "Fuck off" seems to be the essence of your belief system. "Fuck off" is ugly and is the antithesis of inquiry, discussion and debate. I'm staying here.
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