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Title: Madonna’s NFL Half Time Show - Satanic Ritual
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Hollywood Illuminati
URL Source: http://hollywoodilluminati.com/2012 ... sguised-in-the-half-time-show/
Published: Feb 6, 2012
Author: Nicolas Duplessis
Post Date: 2012-02-08 08:52:04 by Bill D Berger
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Madonna’s NFL Satanic Ritual disguised as Church Music. by Nicolas Duplessis. 
(The Illuminati always has to do its rituals between the New Moon and Full Moon. The Full Moon is in 2 more days, so it is their time for rituals & what better place than a Half Time show with millions of people?)
(Madonna opened with a Roman Theme but she didnt have a Roman Helmet, instead she had a ritual Lucifer horned crown of gold!)
(Madonna used Satan horns for her opening act)
(The male dancers in Act 2 (Track: Music) made a quick pyramid and Madonna slithered through the pyramid like a snake. The pyramid in the photo is Satan’s Pyramid and an occult seal used to invoke Satan during rituals.)
(Light sticks are used in Illuminati Rituals, to worship Lucifer, and they are often held by the observers of the rituals, as a way of participating. )
(To worship Lucifer, one must wear mostly red and black. Madonna had on a black robe but the entire color scheme of the entire show was blk/red if you take into account her dancers starting in the second part of Act 2 with the cheer-leader rappers)
(Photo from Infowars.com)
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#163. To: FormerLurker (#161)
Say that to a LaVeyan satanist. See what they say. Satanists can be just as dogmatic as fundy christians. They can be just as closed minded as anyone else. They can be just as authoritarian. They can demand others believe as they do, or else they are idiots. They say as much, in the open. It's these that aren't the "true" satanists. Anyone can be a "high priest/priestess". All it takes is a good case of delusions of grandeur/napoleon complex. Satanism can be, and is on the whole, just as fucked up as christianity. Some delude themselves into thinking they are on the left hand path, but they are really on the right hand path. -------------------------------------------------------- Oh and BTW, Isis is about as much of a whore as the Virgin Mother. The Whore of Babylon does not equate to Isis, it equates to the Jewish character Lilith. Coincidently, Lilith is the name of the High Priestess of Set, the wife of Army Col. Michael Aquino. You wish to change the meaning of "satanist". You'd like it to mean "enlightened", "agnostic", and whatever other flowery adjectives you enjoy. However, it was and is a description of a person who actually worships an evil deity named satan, and who revels in discord, evil, and chaos. Being anti-christian is of course a prerequisite, but not all those who are "anti-christian" believe in satan or have any desire to commit evil deeds. Perhaps you should change your terminology to "anti-christian" in describing your philosophy, lest people think you actually worship the devil, as that is the generally accepted definition of the word "satanist". A satanist worships whatever is of value, mostly his or her self. Look up the root for worship to see what it mean. Groveling, it isn't. What you are doing is taking the christian definition and characteristics of satan. That's fine, just so you know what you're doing. As for Aquino, you can talk to him at the 600club. He posts there. So you don't have to talk about him. Go to the source and read what he has to say instead of depending on others. -------------------------------------------------------- I know enough about Aquino to know that I would rather not speak to such an evil cretin. Yes, look up the root for the word "satanist". You'll find that it is "satan". CHILD ABUSE AT THE PRESIDIO Then you depend on others to tell you what to think. I'll let you in on a little secret: your opinions are just as valid as anyone elses. There is nothing special about anyone elses opinions or allegations. If you come to your conclusions on your own, after weighing all you can know, then fair enough. But for someone that has already said that the church lies, you are placing a lot of value on what they say. -------------------------------------------------------- Puritans were "christians". Do you know of ANY early settlers who were NOT some form of Christian? As far as Europe, just look at European history. Look into the Inquisitions, the Crusades, the myraid number of wars, and the history of early Christianity in regards to Rome and how they purged the Jews and other religious sects. Look at the persecution of Galieo, and other visionaries. As far as America, look at the Salem witch hunts. The people who perpetrated the horrific deeds upon those accused were not Muslim, Jews, or Buddhists. They were CHRISTIANS. Where there is smoke there is usually fire when there are multiple victims and they all tell similar tales, and there is physical evidence of sexual abuse of toddlers. Their stories are bizarre, but that's what provides a layer of deniability for the perps, since not many would believe such stories of young children being forced to play "poop games" and other such depravity. Actually, I was just trying to educate him and have a conversation. Apparently I hit a raw nerve or two. They're called catholic priests and cardinals, and bishops, and popes, and Penn St coaches. But as usual, they blame satanists for their own 'christian' crimes. And it's damned effective. It keeps the christian program from crashing. As for that preschool case that you might be referring to, they did investigate, and looked for the tunnels etc. Nothing was ever found. Unless you think that They / ALL OF THEM were In On It. -------------------------------------------------------- I have never said others don't commit child abuse. Thing is, the Presidio case wasn't just a case involving demented individuals having sexual pleasure with children, it was satanic RITUAL ABUSE performed as a means of fullfilling their religious "needs" by a high ranking US Army officer who was involved with military intelligence, specifically "psychological warfare".
Oh, you're confusing the Presidio case with the McMartin Preschool case Since you are talking about another case entirely, it's obvious you haven't read the San Jose Mercury Times article I posted concerning the Presidio. Here's some further reading for you. It is a series of articles meticulously sourced and referenced to various news reports.
Yep. That was my reaction when I read the actual text of the 10 Commandments. I've read it, in the past. I reread it to refresh my memory. What was the outcome? Nothing. Allegations do not equal convictions. It looks like Aquino was only a bit player in this story. Did he do it? Hell if I know. Did others do it and he was aware of it? I wasn't there. Kids were evidently sexually abused since STDs were involved, but who was responsible? Again, if you say Aquino was and They covered it up, then there must be a lot of Them on the payroll. But Aquino was an easy target. -------------------------------------------------------- To all who are so riled up and concerned about the "Whore of Babylon", perhaps you should find out who REALLY is involved with such activities, rather than dumping on a pop star who performed a sexy dance in a Roman/Egyptian costume during the Superbowl halftime show... The odd beginning of Ron Hubbard's career At least several of the children refered to him as "Mikey" and his wife Lilith as "Shamby", and identified his house correctly. It was at his house that at least some of the abuse occured, as alleged by the children. BTW, if you noticed, none of the reports or articles I posted in regards to Aquino and associates originated with "the church". How was it alleged? Kids will tell you what they think you want to hear. Were they taken by the house and asked if that was it? Questioning kids can be tricky. Failure to consult with abuse experts haunted the case. By the time the children had been in therapy long enough and felt comfortable enough to talk about some of the more bizarre aspects of the case, Gray was adamant that she could not take such things before a jury. "She sat right here on that couch and said she couldn't take that before a jury," said one mother. Again, I don't know Aquino. I've read some of his writings, but that is all I know of him. All I know is that there was a "satanic ritual abuse" scare in the 80's and 90's, that at one time I took seriously. I don't anymore. Because it went nowhere. All they had were allegations, whereas there is definite proof of organized catholic sexual abuse of children. And just because some allegations have some odd elements does not make them more believable. Remember Anita Hill and the pubic hair on the coke can nonsense? -------------------------------------------------------- In a Temple of Set newsletter sent out two months after the search of his home, Aquino accused Adams-Thompson, who is an assistant chaplain for the Army, of trumping up the allegations as some sort of Christian vendetta "Also relevant is his profession as a Christian clergyman; I certainly doubt that he would have made such an outrageous accusation against any Lieutenant Colonel who was not known to be a prominent Satanist" -------------------------------------------------------- From the San Jose Mercury Times article; "Yes, that's Mikey," the 3-year-old told Adams-Thompson. After being taken outside, the girl added, "he's a bad man and I'm afraid." As they were leaving the parking lot, the Adams-Thompsons saw Aquino's wife, Lilith. Larry asked the child if she knew the woman. "Yes, that's Shamby," the girl said. The family went home and called the FBI. When interviewed by authorities the next day, the girl identified Gary Hambright from a photo lineup and said she had been driven to Mikey and Shamby's home by Hambright. There, she said, she was abused by Hambright, Mikey and Shamby in a room with black walls. She said that she had been photographed. She said Hambright and Mikey were dressed in women's clothes and Shamby was dressed in man's clothes. The investigators drove her to Leavenworth Street in San Francisco. The girl was asked to identify any of the houses that she had been to before. While walking past 2430 Leavenworth, the girl identified the house as the one where she met "Mikey" and "Shamby." It was the Aquinos' house. The Pedophocracy, Part III: Uncle Sam Wants Your Children August 2001 "It should come as no surprise, then, that long- time CIA and ‘intelligence complex’ operatives turn up on the FMSF Advisory Board. Perhaps the most public member has been Dr. Louis Jolyon ‘Jolly’ West, a legendary figure in CIA mind control circles operating out of UCLA. Another is Dr. Martin Orne, an authority on torture who currently works at the University of Pennsylvania’s Experimental Psychiatry Lab … Still another false memory luminary is Margaret Singer, professor emeritus at the University of California-Berkeley." One of the names raised at the Bonacci trial was that of Michael Aquino. Aquino is the ‘High Priest’ and chief executive of the Temple of Set, an overtly satanic cult that split off from the Church of Satan in 1975. Besides tending to those duties, Aquino also has occupied his time serving as (according to an official biography once circulated by the Temple) a “Lieutenant Colonel, Military Intelligence, U.S. Army.” Aquino was accused in court by the mother of a victim as being a key player in a nationwide pedophile ring. Paul Bonacci himself has also positively identified Aquino as an associate of King, known to the children only as 'the Colonel.' King's personal photographer has identified Aquino as the man to whom he saw King hand over a suitcase full of cash and bonds. The photographer, Rusty Nelson, also has said that King told him that Aquino was part of the Contra guns and cocaine trafficking operation run by George Bush and another notorious Lt. Col., Oliver North. Aquino has also been linked to Offutt Air Force Base, a Strategic Air Command post near Omaha that was implicated in the investigation by the Franklin Committee. He was also claimed to have ordered the abduction of a Des Moines, Iowa paperboy. This was certainly not the first time that Aquino had been implicated as a key figure in large scale pedophile/child pornography rings. In July of 1988, not long before the King and Spence cases broke, the San Jose Mercury News ran a lengthy exposé on the Presidio Child Development Center run by the U.S. Army in San Francisco. Allegations of abuse being perpetrated at the center first emerged in November of 1986. Alarmed by accusations made by her child, a parent had sought a medical examination which confirmed that the three- year-old boy had in fact been anally raped. The boy identified his rapist as 'Mr. Gary,' a teacher at the center named Gary Hambright. Even with the conclusive medical evidence, “it took the Army almost a month to notify the parents of other children who had been in 'Mr. Gary's' class that the incident had taken place.” Within a year, at least sixty victims had been identified, all between the ages of three and seven, and further “allegations would be made by parents that several more children were molested even after the investigation had begun.” Amazingly enough, the center remained open for more than a year after the first case of abuse was reported, though the Mercury News noted that “day care centers under state jurisdiction are routinely closed when an abuse incident is confirmed.” And this was considerably more than a simple abuse incident that was confirmed. The stories told by the children implicated many other perpetrators besides Hambright. They also told of being taken away from the center to be abused in private homes; at least three such houses were positively identified. They also told of being forced to play “poopoo baseball” and the “googoo” game – 'games' that involved the children being urinated and defecated upon, and being forced to ingest urine and feces. Many of them also spoke of having guns pointed at them and of having been told that they and/or their parents and siblings would be killed if they told anyone what had been done to them. Despite the mounting number of victim/witnesses, and the numerous crimes alleged by these children, it was only Gary Hambright who was arrested - on January 5, 1987 - and he was charged with abusing just a single child. And even then the charges were dismissed just three months later, in March of 1987. There is little doubt that literally dozens of children were in fact severely abused at the center. There was irrefutable medical evidence to document that fact. Five of the children had contracted chlamydia, a sexually transmitted disease; many others showed clear signs of anal and genital trauma consistent with violent penetration, which authorities chose to ignore. One mother complained to the San Francisco Chronicle that the FBI never interviewed her or her son, even after doctors had confirmed the boy’s abuse. There were unmistakable psychological signs as well. As The American Journal of Orthopsychiatry noted in April of 1992: “The severity of the trauma for children at the Presidio was immediately manifest in clear cut symptoms. Before the abuse was exposed, parents had already noticed the following changes in their children: vaginal discharge, genital soreness, rashes, fear of the dark, sleep disturbances, nightmares, sexually provocative language, and sexually inappropriate behavior. In addition, the children were exhibiting other radical changes in behavior, including temper outbursts, sudden mood shifts, and poor impulse control. All these behavioral symptoms are to be expected in preschool children who have been molested.” The journal article, written by Diane Ehrensaft, Ph.D., also noted that: “The Presidio case has confronted both the public at large and the mental health community with an extraordinary and abhorrent situation of grave psychological proportions: the willful molestation of young boys and girls by representatives of the most patriarchal and supposedly protective arm of the American government – the U.S. Army.” The article further noted the nearly homicidal rage provoked in the fathers of the children abused in this way, as they saw the investigations of the crimes perpetrated against their children stonewalled and covered up. One father is quoted as saying: “When something about the Presidio comes on TV, I want to blow someone away.” Another father echoed this sentiment: “I was ready to blow the army base away.” One of those who the fathers would have liked to blow away was Michael Aquino, along with his wife Lilith. One child positively identified the pair, known to the kids as 'Mikey' and 'Shamby,' and was also able to positively identify the Aquino's home and to describe with uncanny accuracy the distinctively satanic interior of the house. The young witness also claimed to have been photographed at the Aquinos' home. On August 14 of 1987, a search warrant was served on the house. Confiscated in the raid were numerous videotapes, photographs, photo albums, photographic negatives, cassette tapes, and name and address books. Also observed was what appeared to be a soundproof room. Neither Aquino nor his wife were charged with any crimes, nor have they been to this day – a fact that Aquino claims proves his innocence. The next month, a fire - which the Army deemed to be accidental - destroyed the Army Community Services Building adjacent to the Presidio's day care center. Strangely enough, “the fire occurred on the autumnal equinox, a major event on the satanic calendar,” as the Mercury News noted. The fire also destroyed some of the center's records. “Three weeks later, fire struck again, this time at the day care center itself.” A building that housed four classrooms, including that of Gary Hambright, was completely destroyed. Investigators from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms determined that “both fires, contrary to the Army's finding, had been arson.” In between the first and second fires (with evidence indicating that a third arson attempt had been made as well), Hambright was again indicted, this time charged with molesting ten children. In February of 1988, all but one of the charges were dropped. Shortly thereafter, the remaining count was dropped as well, and Hambright was a free man once again. No further charges were brought against him. In January of 1988, Aquino filed suit against the Army to have it cleared from his record that he had been investigated as a suspected pedophile. According to court records, he also had the gall to charge “Captain Adams-Thompson [the father of a victim] with conduct unbecoming an officer because the Captain reported the allegations of child abuse to the San Francisco police.” In denying Aquino's motion, the court concluded that “there was probable cause to title Aquino with offenses of indecent acts with a child, sodomy, conspiracy, kidnapping, and false swearing,” despite the fact that “the San Francisco police department (SFPD) closed its investigation and filed no charges against the plaintiff or anyone else.” Aquino and various of his defenders have consistently claimed that no one was ever prosecuted in the case due to a lack of evidence – proof that the entire affair was no more than a ‘witch hunt.’ Of course, the failure to prosecute the federal charges could also be due to the fact that, at the time, the U.S. Attorney in San Francisco handling the case was Joseph Russoniello. Russoniello would later be identified by reporter Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury News as a player in the Contra cocaine smuggling operation led by Lt. Col. Oliver North and company, just as witnesses would later identify Lt. Col. Michael Aquino as an operative in the very same sordid affair. It always helps when your legal ‘adversaries’ are actually on your side. In May of 1989, Aquino was again questioned in connection with child abuse investigations; this time at least five children in three cities were making the accusations. The children had seen Aquino in newspaper and television coverage of the Presidio case and immediately recognized him as one of their abusers. Three of the children lived in Ukiah - former home of the People’s Temple - where Police Chief Fred Keplinger was overseeing the investigation of the allegations. The Mercury News quoted the chief as saying that “the children are believable. I have no doubt in my mind that something has occurred.” Aquino was also identified by children in Santa Rosa and Fort Bragg. In the Fort Bragg case, “allegations of ritual abuse erupted ... in 1985 when several children at the Jubilation Day Care Center said they were sexually abused by a number of people at the day care center and at several locations away from the center, including at least two churches.” Aquino was identified as having been at one of those churches. The Mercury News also reported that there was clear evidence of satanic cult activity on the grounds of the Presidio base, including an abundance of satanic graffiti, a satanic altar, and numerous artifacts of satanic rituals. A former MP at the base is quoted as saying: “We were sitting there, we've got a cult on the Presidio of San Francisco and nobody cares about it ... We were told by the provost marshal to just forget about it.” On April 19, 1988 - the eve of Adolf Hitler’s birthday, and seven years to the day before the Oklahoma City Federal Building would explode, allegedly due to an act of ‘domestic terrorism’- an open-house was held on the grounds of the Presidio heralding the opening of the new day care facility built to replace the fire-damaged Child Development Center. As a final note on the Presidio case, a report in the Marin Independent Journal revealed that Aquino owned a building in Marin County - inherited from his mother, Betty Ford-Aquino - that had been jointly leased to the Marin County Child Abuse Council and Project Care for Children. The stated purpose of Project Care was, interestingly enough, to assist parents in locating day care for their children. As disturbing as the Presidio case was, it was just one of many ritual abuse cases directly tied to one or more branches of the United States armed forces. As the Mercury News reported: “By November, 1987 the Army had received allegations of child abuse at 15 of its day care centers and several elementary schools. There were also at least two cases in Air Force day care centers,” and another in a center run by the U.S. Navy. In addition, “a special team of experts was sent to Panama [in June of 1988] to help determine if as many as 10 children at a Department of Defense elementary school had been molested and possibly infected with AIDS.” Yet another case emerged in a U.S.-run facility in West Germany. These cases erupted at some of the most esteemed military bases in the country, including Fort Dix, Fort Leavenworth, Fort Jackson, and West Point. Many of those making the accusations were career military officers who had devoted their lives to unquestioned allegiance to the U.S. armed forces. Many would resign their posts in outraged protest. It would be redundant to review all these cases, as most of them followed a remarkably similar pattern. Given though that West Point is America's premier military academy, and given also that the case - like many others - was linked by witnesses to the Presidio, a brief review is warranted here. As The Times Herald Record reported in June of 1991: “The incidents [at the West Point Child Development Center] unfolded against a backdrop of satanic acts, animal sacrifices and cult-like behavior among the abusers, whose activities extended beyond the U.S. Military Academy borders to Orange County and a military base in San Francisco, parents charged.” The case first broke in July of 1984, when a three-year-old girl found herself in the emergency room of the West Point Hospital with a lacerated vagina. She told the examining physician that a teacher at the day care center had hurt her. The next month, the parents of another child leveled accusations of abuse at the center. As the Mercury News reported: “By the end of the year, 50 children had been interviewed by investigators. Children at West Point told stories that would become horrifyingly familiar. They said they had been ritually abused. They said they had had excrement smeared on their bodies and been forced to eat feces and drink urine. They said they were taken away from the day care center and photographed.” Despite abundant medical and psychological evidence, and literally dozens of child witnesses, and despite “950 interviews by 60 FBI agents assigned to the investigation, an investigation led by former U.S. Attorney Rudolph Giuliani produced no federal grand jury indictments,” according to the Herald Record. The Herald also noted that: “In 1987, Giuliani said his detailed investigation showed only one or two children were abused.” This was, it should be noted, a bare-faced lie from the fascistic future-mayor and would-be Senator, as the Herald report divulged: “a still-secret, independent report - produced by one of the nation's top experts on child sexual abuse - confirms the children's accusations of abuse.” This was not the first time that the prestigious academy had shown an appalling willingness to overlook extreme levels of abuse directed at children by army personnel. A year before the abuse case broke, a 22-month-old child was murdered by an Army staff sergeant. The Mercury News reported that: “After a court martial hearing, the sergeant was given an 18 month suspended sentence and dishonorable discharge.” In other words, he served no time and was essentially given a free ride for murdering a child. With help from Giuliani, the FBI, the U.S. Army, and the grand jury, the abusers of countless children at the day care center (which was, appropriately enough, building number 666 on the academy grounds) were likewise given a free ride. As with the Franklin case, the children and their parents were to find justice only through the civil courts. The Herald Record reported that: “lawyers for both the government and the 11 child plaintiffs agreed that some children were sexually abused at the center two years ago” (again contradicting Giuliani's bogus conclusions). The government, however, claimed that it could not be held responsible, due to the “assault exemption in the Federal Tort Claim Act.” As the New York Times explained: “under federal law the government cannot be held liable for assaults committed by its employees and thus cannot be sued for assault.” In other words, the Army did not dispute the allegations, it just rather cavalierly maintained that it was exempt from being sued. The court saw otherwise and awarded $2.7 million to nine of the child victims – paltry compensation for their suffering, but a victory of sorts nonetheless. The Times opined that the settlement amount “was large for a child-abuse case in which no criminal charges were filed.” The article claimed that the failure to prosecute the case was due to the fact that “the Federal Bureau of Investigation found ‘insufficient evidence to prosecute,’” when in fact the Bureau appears to have deliberately ignored and/or covered-up that evidence. And so ended the West Point case, except that - as one mother noted - it was hardly over: “These people stole our children. She's nothing like she used to be. She's a very angry little girl. She doesn't trust anyone. She's nothing like she was before this happened. It's never going to be over for them, or for us.” The mother of a Presidio victim had this to say: “People keep telling us we've got to let it go -- just forget about it and go on ... Three weeks ago, our youngest daughter was having nightmares and our other daughter was closing out the whole world, going to her room and siting there, with no radio, no TV, no nothing. Tell me it's over.” “I cannot accept promotion in a system that at first refused to acknowledge and now refuses to deal with the victims of extensive child abuse that occurred at the West Point Child Development Center.” Army Captain Walter R. Grote, refusing a promotion to Major in June 1985. Grote referred to his protest as a “fight for the human rights of all children.” REFERENCES: Just for shits and giggles, did you know that Anton LaVey was Jewish? Also, did you know that on his death bed he had some serious regrets: It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire
By Linda Goldston Lt. Col. Michael Aquino, a satanic priest who was investigated in connection with the sexual abuse of children at the U.S. Army's Presidio of San Francisco, has been questioned about the abuse of at least five children in Sonoma and Mendocino counties. Aquino and his wife had been under investigation since August 1988, when the 3-year-old daughter of an assistant chaplain at the Presidio accused them of sexually abusing her. Keplinger declined to discuss the details of the investigation but said, "the children are believable. I have no doubt in my mind that something has occurred. It's just being able to prove who the perpetrators are." The Army broadened its investigation to Sonoma and Mendocino counties after children there recognized Aquino during television and newspaper coverage of him and the Presidio case. Was the DAs office In On It? Again, only allegations, no trial(s). And the only charges were dropped, twice, and Aquino wasn't even the one charged. Again, I say I don't know him. Maybe he did it, maybe not. I"m not going to give him a pass just because. But I am not going to say he did it just because there are allegations. If he was a pedophile, he'd still be doing it. AFAIK there is no stopping them, short of imprisonment or at the end of a rope. Are there any more recent allegations? NOt that I know of. -------------------------------------------------------- I’ve known quite number of Christians that were very decent people. The very few Satanists that I’ve encountered in my life and all of the ones that I’ve encountered in writing were assholes. (You’ll forgive any sins in sampling error I commit here.) This is explicable in that, by all accounts, the story of Satan is in essence one of rebellion, and the Satanist is in creed and practice, whatever that may be, a perpetual adolescent. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built. There are always those that rebel. Like the poor, they are always with us. And, as far as we can see, that is how it ever will be.
I’ve known quite number of Christians that were very decent people. The very few Satanists that I’ve encountered in my life and all of the ones that I’ve encountered in writing were assholes. (You’ll forgive any sins in sampling error I commit here.) This is explicable in that, by all accounts, the story of Satan is in essence one of rebellion, and the Satanist is in creed and practice, whatever that may be, a perpetual adolescent. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built. There are always those that rebel. Like the poor, they are always with us. And, as far as we can see, that is how it ever will be.
Fundamentalism defined. The correct plural is "assholies". Much of this thread reminds me of the following Trading Spouses episode... www.youtube.com/watch? v=q3mDLsyn6ns Embedding disabled, so I linked it. Dependable? If you are depending on them to commit mass murder (fuck that, lets just call it genocide) then they are dependable. They have proven their dependability many times. Christians don't build civilizations. They destroy them. They'll destroy this one too, if they get their way. Christians didn't "defer gratification of their natural desires". They call those natural desires "sins" and think people are going to be tortured in hell for them. To a christian, it is a sin to be human. What other religion says people are born in sin? Only a jew could come up with something that twisted. They had to have faith in the future, because the present sucked. -------------------------------------------------------- Good to know. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Not always true. Look at France, England, and Italy. Look at Canada, and the US up till the end of the 20th century. They built some pretty impressive cities. I’ve known quite number of Christians that were very decent people. Likewise. The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built. Not only that, but truly peaceful and benevolent societies may have perhaps lived the utiopian dream, but throughout history, any such society was eventually anhilated due to the very fact their doctrines were of of peace and non-violence. It led to their downfall due to barbarians who would rape and slaughter their people and pillage their lands. That is why a religion such as Christianity was necessary, as Christians believe they can kill if their government tells them to, and have no qualms defending themselves with deadly force if needed. It is of course contrary to the 10 Commandments and the teachings of Jesus, but if their religious leaders tell them it's ok, then all that is tossed out the window. I didn't say that Christians were better than anyone else. They are probably no more or less barbaric than the other civilized peoples on this planet. They were, however, successful in building a hugely dynamic and productive civilization. For better or worse, they have carried Western Civilization forward. "Satanists," OTOH, haven't done shit.
Pagans built some nice cities too. It doesn't take christianity to build a city. Nothing much good has come from christianity, or any of the other "abrahamic" religions. Contrast those they built with those they destroyed. But, jesus loves you. lol -------------------------------------------------------- Western civilization has advanced in spite of christianity, not because of it. Otherwise, owning a telescope, or a bible in your own language, could get you into some trouble with the PTB. --------------------------------------------------------
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestPeople who outright worship satan, and there ARE obviously some who do, ARE "true satanists".
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#164. To: TwentyTwelve (#158)
Isis/Semiramis/Whore of Babylon
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#165. To: PSUSA2 (#163)
They say as much, in the open. It's these that aren't the "true" satanists.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#166. To: FormerLurker (#165)
Perhaps you should change your terminology to "anti-christian" in describing your philosophy, lest people think you actually worship the devil, as that is the generally accepted definition of the word "satanist".
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#167. To: PSUSA2 (#166)
As for Aquino, you can talk to him at the 600club. He posts there. So you don't have to talk about him. Go to the source and read what he has to say instead of depending on others.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#168. To: PSUSA2 (#166)
Look up the root
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#169. To: FormerLurker (#167)
I know enough about Aquino to know that I would rather not speak to such an evil cretin.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#170. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#150)
how do you know they were CHRISTIANS that did this?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#171. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#152)
If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!
#172. To: PSUSA2 (#169)
I'll let you in on a little secret: your opinions are just as valid as anyone elses. There is nothing special about anyone elses opinions or allegations.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#173. To: PSUSA2 (#154)
You were trying to de-convert him (imo).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#174. To: FormerLurker (#172)
and there is physical evidence of sexual abuse of toddlers.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#175. To: PSUSA2 (#174)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#176. To: PSUSA2 (#174)
As for that preschool case that you might be referring to, they did investigate, and looked for the tunnels etc.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#177. To: PSUSA2 (#174)
As for that preschool case that you might be referring to, they did investigate, and looked for the tunnels etc. Nothing was ever found. Unless you think that They / ALL OF THEM were In On It.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#178. To: PSUSA2 (#174)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#179. To: randge (#153)
Hmmm.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#180. To: FormerLurker (#177)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#181. To: Bill D Berger, All (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#182. To: PSUSA2 (#180)
But Aquino was an easy target.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#183. To: PSUSA2 (#169)
But for someone that has already said that the church lies, you are placing a lot of value on what they say.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#184. To: FormerLurker (#182)
(Edited)
It was at his house that at least some of the abuse occured, as alleged by the children.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#185. To: FormerLurker (#183)
BTW, if you noticed, none of the reports or articles I posted in regards to Aquino and associates originated with "the church".
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#186. To: PSUSA2 (#185)
Larry and Michelle Adams-Thompson had noticed changes in their daughter's behavior after placing her in Gary Hambright's class four or five times in September and October of 1986. The girl, who turned 3 in October, had begun having nightmares and would wet herself when frightened. Her parents believed it was just "a bad stage" she was going through until they heard about the Tobin boy in January. The girl was taken to a therapist at Letterman Army Medical Center in February. In therapy, the girl talked about being sexually abused by Hambright and by a man named "Mikey" and a woman named "Shamby" whose identities were unknown. On Aug. 12, 1987, the Adams-Thompsons were shopping at the PX at the Presidio. Suddenly the girl ran to Larry Adams-Thompson and clutched his leg. He looked up and saw a man whom he knew as Lt Col. Michael Aquino.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#187. To: PSUSA2 (#184)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#188. To: PSUSA2 (#163)
#189. To: PSUSA2 (#185)
San Jose Mercury News, May 13, 1989
Aquino, founder and high priest of the Temple of Set, said Friday that he and his wife, Lilith, were questioned this week by Army investigators about allegations against them.
Aquino was adamant that he and his wife have never molested any child "anywhere, anytime."
'I expect that the investigation will thoroughly and completely exonerate both Mrs. Aquino and myself," he said.
''The Army has interviewed both my wife and myself, and as far as I'm concerned, nothing was discussed that indicates there was any serious evidence that any such crimes occurred at all as far as Mrs. Aquino and I are concerned."
No one has been tried in the Presidio case, although charges were filed and dropped twice against Gary Hambright, a former teacher at the day care center. More than 60 children were sexually abused at the Presidio's day care center, and many said the abuse happened during satanic rituals. In addition, five children were confirmed to have venereal disease.
In the new investigation, police in Ukiah already had been looking into the ritual abuse of two boys and a girl when the children accused Aquino of being involved, parents and police said. Aquino also was accused of molestations in Santa Rosa and Fort Bragg.
''Basically, we have a multi-jurisdictional investigation" of Aquino and others, said Ukiah Police Chief Fred Keplinger. Keplinger said that his department is working with the Army's Criminal Investigation Division.
Army investigators recently videotaped the children's stories. Officials would not discuss their investigation.
''It's policy not to discuss any case under investigation," Tom MacKenzie, chief of media relations for the Presidio of San Francisco, said Friday.
Aquino said he expects the investigation to be completed within the next few weeks but would not reveal details of the couple's interviews with Army investigators. "I don't think it would be proper to go through what the Army questioned me about," he said.
The San Francisco District Attorney's Office decided not to press charges against Aquino last year for abuse that allegedly occurred at his San Francisco home because there "wasn't enough corroborating evidence to proceed on the original allegations," Assistant District Attorney Mike Williams said at the time.
One of the children, a boy, was watching a television program about the case with his mother when he recognized Aquino, his mother said.
''He just grabbed the rocking chair and hung on real tight," she said. "His eyes got huge and he said, 'Mommy, that's the man from the church in Fort Bragg.' "
Allegations of ritual abuse erupted in Fort Bragg in Mendocino County in 1985 when several children at the Jubilation Day Care Center said they were sexually abused by a number of people at the day care center and at several locations away from the center, including at least two churches.
No one was tried in the case, though Mendocino County District Attorney Susan Massini said Friday it "is an active, ongoing investigation."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#190. To: FormerLurker (#189)
The San Francisco District Attorney's Office decided not to press charges against Aquino last year for abuse that allegedly occurred at his San Francisco home because there "wasn't enough corroborating evidence to proceed on the original allegations," Assistant District Attorney Mike Williams said at the time.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#191. To: FormerLurker (#187)
#192. To: FormerLurker, All (#187)
#193. To: FormerLurker (#132)
What it comes down to is ultra fanatical bible huggers believe whatever they wish to believe, and damn anyone who doesn't agree with them.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#194. To: randge (#192)
assholes. (You’ll forgive any sins in sampling error I commit here.)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#195. To: tom007 (#193)
Fundamentalism defined.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#196. To: randge, FormerLurker (#192)
The architecture of Christianity, OTOH, is such as to form a dependable citizenry under a unified ethic whose members are able to defer gratification of their natural desires, breed productively but with prudence, and generally live with some faith in the future. These are some of the cornerstones upon which a civilization is built.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#197. To: tom007 (#194)
The correct plural is "assholies".
#198. To: PSUSA2, randge (#196)
Christians don't build civilizations. They destroy them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#199. To: randge (#192)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#200. To: PSUSA2 (#196)
#201. To: FormerLurker (#198)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#202. To: randge (#200)
For better or worse, they have carried Western Civilization forward.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
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