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Title: Bill Cooper & Alex Jones - Soothsayer & Doomsayer
Source: HenryMakow.com
URL Source: http://www.henrymakow.com/alex_jones_bill_cooper.html
Published: Feb 14, 2012
Author: Nathan Weidmann
Post Date: 2012-02-14 17:10:42 by Buzzard
Keywords: Bill Cooper
Views: 374
Comments: 27

Nathan Weidmann, 30, describes his education in the conspiracy and the man he came to trust in contrast to another he is still wary of.  

"I beg you to note that among those making attacks upon us will also be organs established by us..."   -Protocol #12

I am no expert. I have not written any books. I am, however, a natural born skeptic. I was nine when I would sneak out of bed to watch the footage from Desert Storm on TV.  I remember the threat of the dreaded Scud missile, and the air raid sirens blaring. I wondered why they always showed the lights in the sky and the aftermath, yet no footage of the actual strike.

I was thirteen, and home from school on April 19, 1995, when the TV show was interrupted by breaking news from Oklahoma City. After initial reports of explosives being discovered inside the building, I wondered why this was later denied. I was curious whatever became of John Doe number three.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, I wondered how, after such a massive and complete failure of so many levels of American security and intelligence, Bin Laden was nearly immediately identified as the key suspect. I was twenty, and I started reading books.

Since that time, like so many other people, I have waded through a virtual ocean of books and videos. Each time I thought I was nearing the center of the labyrinth, I would find I was back at the beginning. Every time I thought I had identified the spider, I realized I was still tangled in the web.

CHANGE THROUGH CONTROLLED OPPOSITION

Early on I learned of the Hegelian theory of controlled opposition. To achieve synthesis requires two opposing forces. I could see how the theory applied to so many things, a magnet for one, with its opposite poles balanced in attraction, and the understanding that came when applied to so many "conspiracy theories".

 Capitalism vs. communism = financial control; moon landings vs. hoaxed moon landings = secret space mission; weapons of mass destruction vs. "no blood for oil" = occupation of ancient Babylon. I realized that this theory could be applied to some "conspiracy theorists" as well.  Truth vs. disinformation = confusion amongst truth seekers. The provocateurs out themselves when they lash out at other researchers and refuse even to acknowledge key pieces of information.

The late, great, Milton William Cooper told us to be suspicious of anyone claiming to tell the truth, especially him. Cooper was (and still is) subject to accusations ranging from disinformation agent to straight up whacko.

In the forward to his book "Behold a Pale Horse" Cooper states:

"...attempts to assassinate my character will continue and in all probability will become worse. Rather than let that get in the way, I want you to believe everything bad that you ever hear about me. See if that changes anything that I have been trying to tell you. See if it negates any of the proof."

Cooper was adamant that it was JFK's driver who fired the kill shot and that the Zapruder film was doctored. Jim Marrs, a veteran JFK researcher, says no way, it's not doctored, and what appears to be the driver shooting Kennedy is just an anomaly.

Is it simply by chance that this anomaly occurs at the same time as Kennedy's head explodes? Why instead of taking cover, does Mrs. Kennedy attempt to exit the vehicle at the rear? Isn't it possible that shots from the book depository and the grassy knoll served as distraction?

William Cooper was murdered almost two months after 9/11, on November 5, 2001. He was live on shortwave radio all day long on 9/11, and was blowing holes in the official story as it was emerging.

On June 28, 2001, Cooper had made the ominous prediction that before the year's end, a major attack would take place on American soil and it would be attributed to Osama bin Laden. Oddly enough, approximately one month later, Alex Jones made a similar prediction on his radio show.

Did one or both men actually know that the events of Sept.11 would take place? Is it possible that one or both men, based solely on their interpretations of current events, were so astute as to make such eerily accurate predictions?

William Cooper is dead. Alex Jones is the self-proclaimed 'granddaddy' of 9/11 Truth and has stated that there is no possible way that Israel played any part in the attacks.

NEED FOR DISCERNMENT

In early 2000, Cooper, on his shortwave radio show 'Hour of the Time', played excerpts from Jones' new year's eve 1999 broadcast during which Jones reported that the Russians had launched long range nuclear missiles at targets in the US.

Cooper stated, in no uncertain terms, that Jones was a disinformer. In fact, he called him a liar and a 'bullshit artist'.

Here is a link to a thoroughly slanderous excerpt from an Alex Jones show, during which he states that William Cooper attacks him from the grave. It is from 2009:

 In my opinion, and certainly that of many others, William Cooper's book, "Behold a Pale Horse" is one of the most important 'conspiracy' books ever published, hands down. He was on shortwave radio for years with his show 'Hour of the Time'. He made a series of broadcasts in the early 90's which he called 'Mystery Babylon', an extremely comprehensive overview of the many facets of the New World Order, its roots and objectives.

William Cooper is absolutely crucial to understanding and, with all hope, subverting the coming attempt by dark powers to establish a global dictatorship and subjugate humanity in physical and spiritual enslavement. 

We must ultimately be our own light in the effort to see through the fear mongering of the agent provocateurs. We as humans are far more powerful than the 'powers-that-try-to-be' would like us to believe. The facts and the information are 'out there'. The TRUTH is within each and everyone one of us.

Here is a link to the one and only time that William Cooper appeared on the Alex Jones show. From 1998.

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#1. To: Buzzard (#0)

William Cooper is dead. Alex Jones is the self-proclaimed 'granddaddy' of 9/11 Truth and has stated that there is no possible way that Israel played any part in the attacks.

Israel did NOT play any part in the attacks. Those planes were flown into the buildings by a Global Hawk. Look it up on Google. It is made by Boeing. It over-rides the controls of the aircaft and flies it where ever you want. They flew a 747 from Hawaii to Australia with NO pilot on board. What do you think of that?

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-02-14   17:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Buzzard (#0)

Cooper was a joy, who walked the walk.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-02-14   17:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Buzzard (#0)

It's easy enough to verify most of the info put out by any of the talkers. At the same time it's not so easy to be certain that we're not just being acclimated to a degree of acceptance.

Bill Cooper was just barely on my radar, but I did see his video about the Kennedy murder around 1979. I had been given a book by a friend (4th Reich of the Rich) and the Cooper film. I could never truly see the gun even though the driver did slow way down and turned around at the moment Kennedy's head exploded. So, I didn't make a decision about it.

I do think Cooper was serious. He had a lot of information and he shared it. And there's little doubt that he was murdered.

"The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector "

Plato.

noone222  posted on  2012-02-14   18:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Buzzard (#0)

Cooper was adamant that it was JFK's driver who fired the kill shot and that the Zapruder film was doctored. Jim Marrs, a veteran JFK researcher, says no way, it's not doctored, and what appears to be the driver shooting Kennedy is just an anomaly.

Correction - Jim Marrs does believe the film was altered, but just not in that way. A few key frames were removed when the motorcade turned onto the street into Dealey Plaza right when they passed behind a sign and the first shot was likely fired.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-14   18:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Buzzard (#0)

"...attempts to assassinate my character will continue and in all probability will become worse. Rather than let that get in the way, I want you to believe everything bad that you ever hear about me. See if that changes anything that I have been trying to tell you. See if it negates any of the proof."

Was it proof he offered, or guesses? What was the nature of that proof? How did he get that proof?

Even Jones says to not take his word for anything. He doesn't mean it, but he says it.

just because someone says not to take their word for anything doesn't mean they are telling the truth. But it will get people to lower their guard.

All I heard from Cooper was his Y2K show on the crap Jones was pulling, trying to get people to panic.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-02-14   19:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Buzzard (#0)

Is it simply by chance that this anomaly occurs at the same time as Kennedy's head explodes? Why instead of taking cover, does Mrs. Kennedy attempt to exit the vehicle at the rear? Isn't it possible that shots from the book depository and the grassy knoll served as distraction?

When you see the driver of the vehicle (William Greer sp?) shoot your husband in the head, you realize it may be time to exit the vehicle. If you examine the extended version of the Zapruder film extensively, you will see William Greer shoot the president with a special gun (recoil-less). Jackie did not try to gather her husbands brains as the MSM says to try and explain her attempt to flee.

I stand firmly with William Cooper's assertions because I believe based on the evidence they are very sound and make more sense than the "Jackie gathering brains BS". That woman was not that dumb, she knew that brains having left the confines of the skull cannot be put back in.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-14   19:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

Israel did NOT play any part in the attacks

I think your are mistaken:

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-14   19:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

One more for good measure:

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-14   19:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PSUSA2 (#5)

Was it proof he offered, or guesses?

What was the nature of that proof?

How did he get that proof? .....

All I heard from Cooper was his Y2K show

If you're of the mind to become more familiar with William Cooper, his book, Behold A Pale Horse is available from Amazon. Also many of his lectures and short wave broadcasts are available on Youtube.

He had a line on the "behind the scenes" activities of the zionist bankers, secret societies, and their elected lackeys many years ago.

Buzzard  posted on  2012-02-14   19:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Buzzard (#9)

Behold A Pale Horse

I read that book in the late 90's and I enjoyed it very much. It helped launch my truth seeking venture that I have been on since.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-14   19:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Buzzard (#9)

Bill Cooper MP3 files


If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-02-14   20:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Buzzard (#0)

I understand why people feel the need to get to the bottom of conspiracies but I have a different take on them. I don't bother with conspiracy theories one way or another. I look at them as a waste of time and energy to worry about. It's done, it's over with and no manner of evidence is going to hold anyone accountable. Robert McNamara outright admitted in his autobiography that the whole Gulf of Tonkin incident was made up and that they knew it was made up. He was part of a conspiracy that led directly to the deaths of more than 50,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians. Him, LBJ, and everyone else in the government who knew the GOT incident was a lie and kept quiet about it are textbook mass murderers. Did anything happen to to him or anyone else involved when he went on record and admitted it? Not a damned thing. Also, It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that multiple members of the Bush Administration knowingly lied about Iraqi WMD's. Are any of them in prison? No. People at that level are above the law the way they have been since the beginning of time, evidence be damned.

Instead of worrying about CT's, I automatically assume with zero reservations that the government is my number one enemy and is involved and most likely responsible for events like JFK, the OKC Bombing, 9/11, etc., etc. I could care less about the details, I know that the government was involved or responsible in some way, shape or form for reasons unknown. Just like I know that any "Iranian terrorist incident" that occurs anywhere is going to be US/Mossad run operation.

Those people are evil incarnate, and by those people I mean the RP/DP political machine and their financiers in Washington, D.C. They are pushing their own agenda and will stop at nothing to achieve the goals of that agenda, to include the murder of as many men, women, and children as it takes anywhere in the world. I don't need to get bogged down in the minutia of a CT to understand this.

I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. - Benjamin Franklin

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-02-14   20:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#12)

Just like I know that any "Iranian terrorist incident" that occurs anywhere is going to be US/Mossad run operation.

yes

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire

An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. Voltaire

intotheabyss  posted on  2012-02-14   20:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#12)

I automatically assume with zero reservations that the government is my number one enemy

On that point sir, we differ.

Governments, and in some cases whole countries, are masks behind which our true enemies conceal themselves.

Government is a tool. Whomever possesses the tool may wield it as he chooses.

Buzzard  posted on  2012-02-14   21:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Buzzard (#14)

Governments, and in some cases whole countries, are masks behind which our true enemies conceal themselves.

Government is a tool. Whomever possesses the tool may wield it as he chooses

Well-put! Politicians/political parties are the curtain concealing the fascist manipulators. Government personalities serve as the whipping post for public discourse via dialectic influence....meanwhile the agenda moves forward like a giant glacier.

CadetD  posted on  2012-02-14   22:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Buzzard (#0)

People like William Cooper die of cop assisted suicide under unclear circumstances.

People like Alex Jones broadcast all day long about how bad everything is and how little you can do about it but write your congressman... god forbid you start some civil disobedience on a grand scale of gorilla harassment all up and down law enforcement and the bureaucratic machine OH NO because that might be considered a threat... and god knows AJ can't do anything threatening unless he is threatening those he would subvert......

The point of my rambling?

They kill the honest right ones and let those in their pocket blather on ad nauseam.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-02-15   1:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Buzzard (#0) (Edited)

William Cooper was murdered almost two months after 9/11, on November 5, 2001. He was live on shortwave radio all day long on 9/11, and was blowing holes in the official story as it was emerging.

November 5 - supposed Gunpowder Plot/Guy Fawkes Day. Cooper said something about a Civil War starting here on his doorstep and, iirc, the Civil War in the 19th century started and ended on some guy's doorstep. If you search a Google map of Eagar, AZ -- where Cooper is said to have lived and died -- you'll find a highway in the area around Apache Forrest(?) numbered 666. Not far from there but the next state over is Los Alamos -- Diablo/Devil Canyon. Some research links Cooper to the Priory of Sion legend and towns in the surrounding vicinity are strangely similar to names like the Magdalene's and others associated with it. Even the name of his Harvest Trust sounds "apocalyptic" and I object to the people trying to focus on families and surving in these turbulent times being demeaned as dumb "sheep", as he was prone to do. Am not suggesting he wasn't correct on many points he made otherwise about conditions in this country and the world. I do think that America is being purposely pushed to Civil War mode by the The Powers That Wannabe In-Charge and am not posting to speculate on his heroic- martyr part as genuine or not in their many scripted provocations to that end; or on the UFO Hoax-angle that Cooper cautioned about; or on the Bill Cooper v. Alex Jones flap. Just want to post these 2 videos for the record - the second, especially, for the Congressional Record segment at about the [Edit: 4 1/2 min.] mark. [Edit to add: Disregard the 2nd video. The Congress segment is just an "Onion-Spoof" production.]

William Cooper [9/11 Broadcast] - As it Happened [8 hours]

Bill coopers....Last prediction -- Congress: "classified" doc starting at 4:29; with particular emphasis at 5:46 [Edit to add: Nevermind. That bit is just The Onion's notion of Entertainment.]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-15   2:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: intotheabyss (#6)

When you see the driver of the vehicle (William Greer sp?) shoot your husband in the head, you realize it may be time to exit the vehicle.

JFK was clutching his throat when the car came from behind the sign in the film. If anyone suspects the driver of causing some injury to him behind the sign, I haven't noticed it.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-15   3:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: All, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#17) (Edited)

Bill coopers....Last prediction

At 6:10, pinging All to: "a new Bill of Rights shall be drafted and approved by 'Classified'."

Edit to add: John Haller - Onion Video - Fake News Geekosystem

Sorry about not researching the video further before posting and pinging. Should have realized that it was an onion symbol on the screen and not a C-Span designed logo at all. "Continuity of Government" plans outside the scope of the Constitution, though, are not a joke.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-15   3:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: GreyLmist (#17)

Just want to post these 2 videos for the record

Thanks.

I've never heard those before.

Buzzard  posted on  2012-02-15   9:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Buzzard (#20)

Am still smarting over that Onionry farce in the 2nd that required a retraction but you're welcome.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-15   10:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GreyLmist (#19)

Well, the Onion is more reliable than many news sources ;)


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-02-15   14:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: intotheabyss (#8) (Edited)

I do recall that the P.D. in New Jersey picked up some guys who were filming the planes hitting the towers. When they ran their I.D.'s, they found out they were Israeli nationals. They were quietly deported.

They had a dog which was trained to sniff explosives and the dog did a positive reaction when sniffing the van. That is all I can remember.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-02-15   16:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: GreyLmist (#19)

"Continuity of Government" plans outside the scope of the Constitution, though, are not a joke.

They have been planning that for quite some time.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-02-15   16:21:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: BTP Holdings (#24)

"Continuity of Government" plans outside the scope of the Constitution, though, are not a joke.

They have been planning that for quite some time.

Yes they have but only Continuity of Constitutional Government is valid.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-20   6:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: wudidiz (#22)

Well, the Onion is more reliable than many news sources ;)

No argument here. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-20   6:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: GreyLmist (#25)

only Continuity of Constitutional Government is valid

My question would be, what is "constitutional" government?

I know what the answer should be, but that is another story. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-02-21   16:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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