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Title: 'Ineligible' Rubio top GOP choice for VP Will Republicans put possibly unqualified candidate on ballot?
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URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ineligible-rubio-top-gop-choice-for-vp/
Published: Feb 21, 2012
Author: Joe Kovacs
Post Date: 2012-02-21 12:24:30 by christine
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Views: 419
Comments: 34

JUPITER ISLAND, Fla. – Despite his avowed non-interest and the fact he may not even be constitutionally eligible to hold the office, Florida U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio is the top choice of Republicans and independents for the vice-presidential slot on the Republican ticket this year, according to a brand-new poll.

The national survey of 800 registered voters by Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind shows Rubio receiving 66 mentions, more than 8 percent of the time, followed by former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

“Anytime you place ahead of Sarah Palin, call yourself a winner,” said poll director Peter Woolley, “Her name recognition and presence are formidable.”

Learn the difference between a regular citizen and a “natural-born citizen.” Get Jerome Corsi’s “Where’s the REAL Birth Certificate?”

The question given to respondents was open-ended, asking: “No matter who is the Republican nominee for president, if you could pick the vice presidential nominee, who would it be?”

After Palin, the top respondents were Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann and surprisingly, Democrat Hillary Clinton.

While Rubio himself has expressed numerous times that he is not interested in running for vice president, the public’s interest in him has not waned.

But his presence on the ticket could cause a backlash among some voters who believe he is not a natural-born citizen of the United States, and thus ineligible for president or vice president.

Though Rubio was born in Miami, Fla., in 1971, his parents were not U.S. citizens at the time, and they did not become American citizens until Nov. 5, 1975, four years after Marco was born.

Many say that a natural-born citizen must be someone born to parents who are both already U.S. citizens.

“Rubio’s not eligible,” WND Editor Joseph Farah told Sean Hannity during an appearance on the Fox News Channel last month.

“You’re going to lose 10 percent of the Republican vote because he’s not a natural-born citizen. We’ve been through this with Obama now for four years. You want to open that can of worms again?”

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#1. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

Rubio was born inside the US, both parents were legally admitted to this country, so he's a natural-born citizen, notwithstanding that neither parent was a US citizen at the time. He meets the basic constitutional criteria for a Presidential candidate. The people who say otherwise are simply wrong.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-21   12:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He meets the basic constitutional criteria for a Presidential candidate. The people who say otherwise are simply wrong.

So says the delusional asshole who claims that Iran has declared war on Israel.

Try again, hasbarat.

Esso  posted on  2012-02-21   12:59:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"The people who say otherwise are simply wrong."

Guess THAT settles THAT!!!!!!!!

Are you a Constitutional Professor, like Obama? Where do you teach?

ndcorup  posted on  2012-02-21   13:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

""This country has gotten ludicrous....I at least want our slime-ball, ass-hole tyrants to be Americans." <---My husband "

You married a Smart Man!!

ndcorup  posted on  2012-02-21   13:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you a Constitutional Professor, like Obama? Where do you teach?

Militia Watch.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-02-21   13:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Either hasbarat or a very good performance. I'd say True Believer.

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2012-02-21   13:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

both parents were legally admitted to this country

What you fail to understand is that his parents were not at the time of birth, citizens of this country. Rubio is likely a 14th amendment citizen, but is not in any way a "natural born citizen", since both parents were not citizens at the time of birth.

... If a man has nothing that he is willing to die for, then he has nothing worth living for....

Give Me Liberty  posted on  2012-02-21   15:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Rubio was born inside the US, both parents were legally admitted to this country, so he's a natural-born citizen, notwithstanding that neither parent was a US citizen at the time. He meets the basic constitutional criteria for a Presidential candidate. The people who say otherwise are simply wrong.

Nonsense and you know it. To be a "Natural Born Citizen" he must be not only born in the country but be born to two parents who are themselves citizens and were at the time of birth.

You're just blowing smoke to defend your Usurper in the Whore House. Not a very creditable position.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-21   15:09:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I've gotten bored with citing the 21st President, Chester A. Arthur (a Republican), as a precedent. So I'll cite Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, who was born in NY to two British subjects, yet ran for and was nominated by the Republicans for President in 1916 (lost to Woodrow Wilson). I figure if a Chief Justice says that two foreign parents is not disqualifying, who am I to argue.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-21   22:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Will Republicans put possibly unqualified candidate on ballot?

LOL they haven't looked at the choices for Pres yet have they?

changing the puppet does not change the play.

farmfriend  posted on  2012-02-21   22:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

by the power of numbskull you are she-ra!

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-02-21   22:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll wait until one of you birthers knows as much about the Constitution as the Chief Justice.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-22   7:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

using one illegal act to justify another illegal act does not make the illegal act lawful.

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-02-22   10:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll wait until one of you birthers knows as much about the Constitution as the Chief Justice.

I imagine that most "birthers" know more about it than you do and most certainly more than Obama does. Even if he did pretend to know something about it some time ago. Anyone who actually knew anything about it would know that presidents don't have the authority to wage war without a congressional declaration of war. And they would know that they do not have the authority to order American citizens detained without any due process and on his say so. Fact is the Constitution is not that hard to understand, at least not for people who actually want to understand it and are not looking for "penumbras" and unicorns in it.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-22   11:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

using one illegal act to justify another illegal act does not make the illegal act lawful.

Do you reckon he will be able to wrap his head around that simple concept? Or admit it?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-22   11:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the top respondents were... and surprisingly, Democrat Hillary Clinton

Proof that the GOP is about dead.

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Critter  posted on  2012-02-22   11:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You at #9: I've gotten bored with citing the 21st President, Chester A. Arthur (a Republican), as a precedent. So I'll cite Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, who was born in NY to two British subjects, yet ran for and was nominated by the Republicans for President in 1916 (lost to Woodrow Wilson). I figure if a Chief Justice says that two foreign parents is not disqualifying, who am I to argue.

You again at #11 here: I'll wait until one of you birthers knows as much about the Constitution as the Chief Justice.

Arthur wasn't a "precedent" and he wasn't a valid President. Even valid Presidents don't have the power to nullify the Constitution, silly, much less invalid ones like him by mistake. What kind of persons, though, want to alter and manipulate our government by error? Persons with no allegiance to our Constitution or our Republic. I tend to think that's the case with you, rather than mere confusion due to a word-slurring speech impediment among your group: birther as "birfer", precedent as "President". Now you've no arguable excuse anymore to not distinguish the difference unless you want to plead Dyslexia or something.

But let's talk about "Chief Justice" Hughes, born of two British subjects, who similarly tried to pull the same Arthurian stunt in contempt of our Constititon's POTUS requirements in his own sleazy attempt to run illegitimately for that office. Undoubtedly, Hughes had some agenda bias on issues of natural born citizenship status or not but you can be sure that he knew he wasn't eligible on those grounds. The matter was brought to public attention by Atty. Long who was former Secreatary of State and Ambassador to Italy.

So, which Hughes case are you refering to? As for Wong Kim Ark, which didn't redefine natural born citizenship status as you've persistently misinterpreted, you might as well stop citing that case at all because one of the presiding Justices, Gray, was appointed by...Arthur who was not qualified to make that appointment as a valid President. His own SCOTUS position being subject to nullification on those grounds, he undoubtedly had some agenda bias to cover for his benefactor, Arthur, by obfuscating issues of natural born citizenship status or not. Capiche?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-22   20:15:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't believe I ever confused President with precedent.

Your reference to Breckenridge Long is sort of amusing. Long was in private legal practice in St. Louis, Mo., until AFTER he published an essay doubting Charles Evans Hughes's eligibility for the Presidency, which, incidentally, was not published until AFTER the 1916 election was well over. His essay appeared in the Chicago Legal News on December 7, 1916 (pages 146-148), a full month after Election Day - by which time it was such a cold issue that nobody seemed to care enough to write up a rebuttal. And it wasn't until after that that Long got a job in the Wilson Administration ... as Third Assistant Secretary of State, until he quit three years to run (and lose) for the US Senate. His real accomplishments came more than a dozen years later when he was in FDR's Administration.

Nobody else seemed to doubt that Hughes was eligible for President, and considering that he was a candidate in both 1912 and 1916 (being the GOP nominee in 1916) that is very significant. And, despite all your rejection of Chester A. Arthur, it turns out that his Presidency, his executive actions, his signing of laws, etc., were NEVER doubted by either Congress or the Courts.

Obama's eligibility has been challenged in dozens of court cases, sometimes with real lawyers bringing the suits, and the challengers have always lost. In the case of Ankeny v. Governor (Indiana App., Nov. 12, 2009) 916 N.E.2d 676, the court explicitly held that Obama was a "natural born citizen".

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-23   8:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama's eligibility has been challenged in dozens of court cases, sometimes with real lawyers bringing the suits, and the challengers have always lost. In the case of Ankeny v. Governor (Indiana App., Nov. 12, 2009) 916 N.E.2d 676, the court explicitly held that Obama was a "natural born citizen".

And of course if some shyster who has been elevated to the High Cult of the Black Robe ("the court") says so then that must be true, right? Just like the dumb asses you cited in Congress who allegedly passed some bill or something proclaiming your Kenyan to be something other than a Kenyan made it true. If Congress or some judge says something then it is up to the serfs and peons to just accept it as if the hand of God himself wrote it on stone tablets, right?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-23   8:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The point is that both SCOTUS "Justices", Hughes and Gray, are compromised on the issue of natural born citizenship due to their surrounding circumstances and probable motives to vindicate and validate themselves retroactively.

Your arguments about Atty. Long (a "real attorney", as you say - yes?) are spurious. The point there is that Hughes knew that he was ineligible to be POTUS and Gray was subject to removal from the bench at the time if Congress and the Courts did the right thing then and nullified Arthur's administrations. No rebuttal to Long's argument against Hughes doesn't mean that noboby cared about the Constitutional issue as one of serious importance. The default reading would be that there were no rebuttable counterpoints to be made. His political career and Senate bid doesn't make his arguments on the Article II matter more valid or less so. If the issue was as trivial or derisively "amusing" as you suggest, suffice it to say that it is remarkable he had a lengthy and accomplished political career (as you yourself noted). What forces were arrayed by press blockades to suppress his challenge of Huges as ineligible, by Courts to muddle the Constitution, and by election-rigging to keep him out of the Senate where he might have moved authoritatively to repeal Arthur's paperwork is questionable. And that brings us back to my question of:

What kind of people want to alter and manipulate our government by error, Shoonra?

Edited for capitalization and 2nd sentence of paragraph 2 for clarity.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-23   15:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

JD to Shoonra: the dumb asses you cited in Congress who allegedly passed some bill or something proclaiming your Kenyan to be something other than a Kenyan

Could you point me to that post?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-23   15:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...ArtNum=133313&Disp=25#C25

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-23   16:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you a Constitutional Professor, like Obama?

Barry's a constitutional scholar? Which constitution?

Lady X  posted on  2012-02-23   17:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"Barry's a constitutional scholar? Which constitution? "

Sure!! I'm pretty sure it was the IndoNesian Constitution..............

ndcorup  posted on  2012-02-23   19:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Rubio is eligible as a natural born citizen .... but he's a bad choice for VP.

It turns out that Rubio has some skeletons in his closet.

His parents were not refugees from Communism; they arrived in the US more than two years before Castro came to power.

He is not a balance to Romney's Mormonism, because he and his parents were themselves Mormon. He seems to have slid away from that, but he's another politician who wears his religion on his sleeve.

He was responsible for getting a candidates' debate scheduled for Univision, the Hispanic cable channel, boycotted and cancelled ... which he did as revenge because that channel was going to run a news report about a cousin of Rubio who was sent to prison as a major figure in a drug cartel.

Although Rubio got elected (in a 3-way race) in Florida, largely because of support from the Cuban community, his support among other Hispanic groups is weak. For one thing, other Hispanic communities differ from the Cuban community in not making anti-Communism/anti-Castroism a high priority. For another thing, Rubio is supportive of strict immigration law enforcement - Cuban-Americans are exempt from these restrictions but not Mexican-Americans, who are very sensitive about this and who outnumber the Cubans outside Florida.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-23   21:37:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

oh, come on, Shoonra, you've not heard of Judicial Activism????

christine  posted on  2012-02-23   22:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

bravo

christine  posted on  2012-02-23   22:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You married a Smart Man!!

i did. ;)

christine  posted on  2012-02-23   22:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i'm amused. ;)

christine  posted on  2012-02-23   22:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-23   23:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Barry's a constitutional scholar? Which constitution?

Not America's Constitution is my guess. Not the UK's or Israel's, either, because they don't even have one.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-24   1:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=133313&Disp=25#C25

Thanks, JD. Do you have any link sources for your statement there, Shoonra?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-24   1:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Rubio is eligible as a natural born citizen

No he isn't. Neither is Obama and probably not Romney, either.

He was responsible for getting a candidates' debate scheduled for Univision, the Hispanic cable channel, boycotted and cancelled ... which he did as revenge because that channel was going to run a news report about a cousin of Rubio who was sent to prison as a major figure in a drug cartel.

Which candidate's scheduled debate for Univision did he get boycotted and canceled?

Rubio is supportive of strict immigration law enforcement - Cuban-Americans are exempt from these restrictions but not Mexican-Americans, who are very sensitive about this and who outnumber the Cubans outside Florida.

I didn't know that Cubans were exempt. Is it because they come here, when they do, as refugees? Probably those numbers are few and far between as compared to the illegal entrance influx here by Mexicans who aren't applying as refugees. The last refugee from Cuba that I know of was circa the year 2000 -- a child and he was abruptly sent back...Elian Gonzales.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-02-24   2:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here's a news item about the Univision debate that Rubio sabotaged:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/04/gop-presidential-candidates-threaten- to-boycott-univision-debate-over-rubio/

Cuban refugees have gotten special admission to the US as refugees from Communism; even those who would never be allowed in if they were Mexican or Guatemalan, etc., are allowed in and allowed to stay. And yes, they're still showing up on our shores.

Considering that Mexican/Guatemalan/Salvadoran/etc-Americans outnumber Cuban- Americans in the voting booths, Rubio's enthusiasm for strict enforcement against non-Cuban Hispanics will probably hurt him at the polls.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-02-25   2:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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