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Title: Huntsman calls for third party: ‘The system is broken’
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Published: Feb 24, 2012
Author: Eric W. Dolan
Post Date: 2012-02-24 13:00:47 by tom007
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Comments: 20

Huntsman calls for third party: ‘The system is broken’ By Eric W. Dolan Thursday, February 23, 2012 18:33 EST Print 114

Jon Huntsman on MSNBC screengrab Topics: 2012 Republican presidential race ♦ jon huntsman ♦ mitt romney

Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman on Thursday expressed his disillusionment with the dominance of the Republican and Democratic parties in American politics.

“We need campaign finance reform,” he said during an appearance on MSNBC. “The system is broken. We need term limits. We need something to compete against a duopoly that is getting old and tired.”

Huntsman dropped out of the 2012 Republican presidential race and endorsed Mitt Romney in January after failing to gain traction in the polls. He blamed his failed presidential bid on his unwillingness to pander to special interests.

“I think we are going to have problems until we get some sort of third party movement or some alternative voice out there that can put forward new ideas,” he continued. “That ain’t gonna be me, by the way, I know the next question. I’m not interested in that. But someone is going to step up at some point and say ‘we have had enough of this, the real issues are not being addressed.’”

He noted that the “fastest growing party in America is the unaffiliated party” and said the rise of a strong third party would be a “healthy thing.”

Huntsman later blamed the lack of voter turnout among the young on the belief that the system was “rigged” by the current campaign finance system.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Jon and Ron were the only GOPers that were not just crazy.

tom007  posted on  2012-02-24   13:01:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tom007 (#1)

“We need campaign finance reform,” he said during an appearance on MSNBC. “The system is broken. We need term limits. We need something to compete against a duopoly that is getting old and tired.”

As with Ron Paul, here is the failure of Huntsman.

As long as they continue to operate within "the system" no one will take them seriously, most of all the owners of the system.

Ron Paul with his pledge in the Trotski memo to remain a republican til he dies, shot himself in the foot. This run by Paul has every indication of being a future run for Rand Paul in 2016.

Ron originally ran on the platform of term limits and has been re-elected ten times as a "system republican".

Cynicom  posted on  2012-02-24   14:02:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

I think you are being unfair to Ron Paul.

In the current regime to run as a "third party" is to be permanently marginalized. The laws have been so rigged as to make it next to, but not quite, impossible for a third party to arise and gain traction. The so-called Trotsky memo is non-issue here because I recognize, and I know RP gets it, that running outside of either of the two halves of the 1 Party System is a road to oblivion. Had RP not made such a pledge the MSM would have used it as an axe with which to hack him to pieces. That is reality not "pie in the sky" idealistic notions of a "Third Party Savior".

It is not that I would not like to see the rise of another party, actually I would like to see 5 or 6 more parties or, even better, outlaw them altogether. However, as the system is currently rigged it is suicidal for a candidate for office.

As for RP continuing to run for office I am perfectly "down with it". He is better than any of the controlled alternatives in the offing. Term limits is also not a panacea. Term Limits is a wedge issue to divert attention from the real problem of deep seated systemic corruption. The correct solution is to go after the corrupt and not just "kill them all and let God sort them out".

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-24   14:21:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#5)

I think you are being unfair to Ron Paul.

Possible.

However, it has been my position for a long time that this time Ron is NOT running for president at all.

Rather, he is running WITHIN THE SYSTEM, HAND AND HAND with system republicans in such a fashion that in 2016 the Grand Olde Party will owe a debt to Rand.

Below is an excerpt from todays Wash Post that raises the very issue of Ron really running at all, let alone a third party venture.

"If he can’t win the nomination, Paul’s interests at this point are threefold. He wants: 1) to be influential on issues he cares about (the Fed, fiscal sobriety); 2) to been seen as a responsible figure who brings his followers into the party; and 3) to leave his son Rand in a position to lead his segment of the party. With Romney, those are within his grasp. With the other two, they become increasingly remote."

In 2012 I gave a LOT of money to the Paul cause, hoping for a third party run, only to have Ron pledge his fidelity to the system.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-02-24   14:34:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#6)

I think you are being unfair to Ron Paul.

Possible.

However, it has been my position for a long time that this time Ron is NOT running for president at all.

Rather, he is running WITHIN THE SYSTEM, HAND AND HAND with system republicans in such a fashion that in 2016 the Grand Olde Party will owe a debt to Rand.

Below is an excerpt from todays Wash Post that raises the very issue of Ron really running at all, let alone a third party venture.

"If he can’t win the nomination, Paul’s interests at this point are threefold. He wants: 1) to be influential on issues he cares about (the Fed, fiscal sobriety); 2) to been seen as a responsible figure who brings his followers into the party; and 3) to leave his son Rand in a position to lead his segment of the party. With Romney, those are within his grasp. With the other two, they become increasingly remote."

In 2012 I gave a LOT of money to the Paul cause, hoping for a third party run, only to have Ron pledge his fidelity to the system.

However, I made that point in the last (s)election cycle. RP knows that the controlling elites will not allow him to win even if he did win. That is a reality that a lot of people have not wanted to acknowledge.

No, I think RP has some very noble purposes in his run(s) and it is not to set up Rand for 2016 (although it might). Rather, I think he has very pragmatically made the run both times in order to kick start a revolution of the spirit against the growing tyranny, and at that he has been more successful than in my wildest hopes.

I'm a realist, with romantic tendencies, who does not expect an easy overnight victory. I also have, I believe, a fair understanding of who is actually pulling the strings. No, I can't name every name, or even every connection, but on a global level I understand the game, and the real enemy is not even in the United States. The real "High Command" of the enemy resides in the Banking District of The City of London.

In 2012 I gave a LOT of money to the Paul cause, hoping for a third party run, only to have Ron pledge his fidelity to the system.

I got it. I know from what you have said that you were more than a little disappointed, but my perspective is more that this is an evolution - it is a program not an end in itself. No single "Great White Hope" is going to turn this around. RP, I am sure, recognizes than now. If he did not before the last run he gets it now - he is not a stupid man. Like the criminals that built the empire of evil over multiple generations that empire is not going to be undone in one fell swoop. It is too entrenched and too strong, and so it must be overwhelmed by a tidal wave that is too massive and too widespread for it to control. I'm pretty sure that RP gets that as well. So, what he has done, as I said at the end of the last campaign, is an inestimable service to liberty - he has begun building the wave which will swamp the criminals.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-24   14:49:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#9)

No single "Great White Hope" is going to turn this around. RP, I am sure, recognizes than now. If he did not before the last run he gets it now - he is not a stupid man.

There is the crux of this stalemate.

Ron Paul is a REALIST....

Ron Paul has one big burden to carry that the others do not, namely he is an honest man. Honesty and politics are not bedfellows.

To my mind, if Ron were to tell his followers, "I am running now to pave the way for my son, in hopes he can rescue this nation" many of those followers would drop away.

I however would be glad to join the bandwagon.

Hope is all we have left, the moral cupboard of this country is bare

Cynicom  posted on  2012-02-24   15:07:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#14)

No single "Great White Hope" is going to turn this around. RP, I am sure, recognizes than now. If he did not before the last run he gets it now - he is not a stupid man.

There is the crux of this stalemate.

Ron Paul is a REALIST....

Ron Paul has one big burden to carry that the others do not, namely he is an honest man. Honesty and politics are not bedfellows.

To my mind, if Ron were to tell his followers, "I am running now to pave the way for my son, in hopes he can rescue this nation" many of those followers would drop away.

Again, I must respectfully disagree. It is not at all apparent that his purpose is to set Rand up for a run at the Presidency. That might be a secondary consideration but I do not think him so venal that it would be his primary purpose. As a consequence I do not see any artifice in his withholding comment on any possible, speculative, run of Rand.

Because he is a realist, as well as an idealist, I think his actions quite clear and honest - to raise awareness of the real issues and build support for the reinstitution of individual liberty.

Rome was not built in a day Kemosabe, and we have a fight yet to win to restore liberty in this land, but the battle lines are drawn and the forces engaged.

For me I stand always under the banner of liberty.

"As for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-24   15:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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