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Title: LAPD Chief: Illegal Immigrants Should Get Licenses
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NBC SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
URL Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l ... ld-Get-Licenses-140162953.html
Published: Feb 25, 2012
Author: NBC SAN DIEGO
Post Date: 2012-02-25 08:57:04 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Views: 246
Comments: 26
View more videos at: http://nbclosangeles.com. LA Police Chief Charlie Beck said he supports giving driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants in California to improve roadway safety. "I think it's important that the state look at licensing undocumented immigrants," Beck said during a media availability on Thursday. "It's a public safety issue. People that are licensed are more likely to have insurance, more likely to report accidents, more likely to have vehicles that are registered to them." Beck said the state has failed to reduce the number of illegal immigrants driving without a license.
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#1. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, *California list* (#0)
If one views driving (travel) as a right and not a govt granted 'privilege' there is no problem with anyone driving regardless. It would be interesting to take a poll on this here to gauge what the majority of posters think.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Hi Happy! How have you been?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
While I am not if favor of granting illegals licenses (I am in favor of deporting them) I come down in favor of requiring licensing as a public safety measure. As long as the government does not abuse the licensing procedure to fulfill an agenda hidden and separate from insuring that drivers meet a minimum standard of proven competency it is a safety measure which benefits all drivers as a group. I understand the arguments against licensing but the roads are a public commons and I see nothing that conflicts with my generally libertarian views in requiring a license - regardless of whatever you name it. I think most of the objections to competency testing seems to revolve around the use of the word license to describe it. However, the function of requiring a driver to have at least met a minimum standard of knowledge and competence is not something I regard as infringing upon individual liberty. Absolutes are unobtainable in the real world and so I want to shy away from absolutism simply for the sake of trying to impose an abstract philosophically absolutist principle upon others. Come on, OI... The ONLY reason the goob exists these days IS in order to fulfill an agenda. In this can-o-worms case, the results would be catastrophic. Geez...Talk about taking a vacation! Good to see you, H2. Where do you want to take this?? "Traveling" thru your living room, to your fridge, then "traveling" into your nice comfy EZ-Chair? This is a sovereignty enforcement issue. Come on, OI... The ONLY reason the goob exists these days IS in order to fulfill an agenda. In this can-o-worms case, the results would be catastrophic. While I agree that you do have a point I still stand behind my reasoning. One of the legitimate functions of government is to protect the rights, and liberties of all. Having educated drivers on the road is a legitimate function. Although it could be done privately as well by having certified programs that are autonomous but recognized as valid - kind of an Underwriters Laboratory for driving. While I understand your point (I saw TWO vehicular accidents last week - BOTH involved what appeared to be Mexicans [in the state of NJ]) - the rights and liberties of citizens are violated in the FIRST place by what are unauthorized invaders. I don't agree with the concept of "driver's licenses" at all. A certification of competency might be ok but a license implies that the state is allowing you to do something that you couldn't legally do without the blessings of the state. And it is demonstrably false that their little card makes anyone any better or that not having one makes anyone any worse "driver." Plus, it is a RIGHT to travel, not a privilege, and the most common means of exercising that right these days for most people is through the use of a car or motorcycle or a pickup truck.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
No argument whatsoever. What also provides a dilemma is the lack of liability on the part of licensed illegals who could not possible afford to pay the insurance either. Heads they win; Tails we lose. The trends all seem to be bad news for us. Maybe he's right. License means: permission by a competent sovereign to do what would otherwise be ILLEGAL, a TRESPASS, or TORT.
"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul." Mahatma Gandhi
Yep ! ILLEGALS might actually qualify as needing a license since everything they do here is ILLEGAL anyway. "You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul." Mahatma Gandhi
Reckon you could get the cop who is pushing for his amigos and amigas to have drivers licenses would agree that their being in the country is illegal? Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Naw ... I don't think so ! "You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul." Mahatma Gandhi
Which, as you rightly point out, is therefore a false argument for promoting licensure of illegals who probably couldn't pass the test and likely would not get insurance. The real agenda is legitimization of the illegals and providing another lever to support shamnesty. Nice to see you here too Lib. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
"Traveling" thru your living room, to your fridge, then "traveling" into your nice comfy EZ-Chair? This is a sovereignty enforcement issue. If the establishment viewed it as a sovereignty issue they would deport them, not steal their cars and sell them and give them tickets to pay, yet let them at the same time stay here and not even turn them over to ICE. they do the same thing with americans whose license are expired. they take their cars and the people generally cant afford to pay the ransom, so the state sells them. this is theft and wrong., and has nothing to do with safe driving. thou shalt not steal. i have no problem with proper immigration process. but as far as simply driving, when i go into another country, such as mexico, i drive, and go thru checkpoints occasionally. they have never attempted to steal my automobile! that would be OUTRAGEOUS and criminal. and, i do not have a mexican drivers license., why should i have one of those? I am not mexican. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
actually, believe it or not, drivers licenses are not required to acquire auto liability insurance. they sell it on nearly ever corner in L.A. with huge signs NO NECESITA LICENSIA. and advertise it on radio, too. in english and spanish. the company can sell their product to whomever they want, since they assume the risk. Which is how it should be. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Would I, as a US citizen deprived of ethnic affiliation actually receive due compensation from such an outfit? Hell, a judge in PA just ruled that muslims have every right to assault anyone they perceive to be offensive.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
yes. they are licensed & legit insurance companies. & since states generally all honor each others ins. policies & laws it'd be good even if a CA illegal hit you in your state. The criteria for their customers is not yer problem. in fact its a benefit.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I'll sleep better tonight, thanks. :) "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
----------------------------------------------------------------------- A license IS a SANCTION. Never forget that. Anytime a county, state, or federal entity licenses a person in a specific activity, IT IS A SANCTION (authorization to perform). What the government is doing here is SANCTIONING (sponsoring) ILLEGAL ALIENS to perform and operate freely, granting them the SAME SANCTIONS (rights) as American CITIZENS. RECAP: LICENSE = SANCTION = AMNESTY U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
This police chief is just another robot, a puppet of society, as are most police chiefs in major metropolitan areas.
This police chief is just another robot, a puppet of society, as are most police chiefs in major metropolitan areas. U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
A license, properly defined, is the state giving its permission to do that which would not be legal without said license. As far as I can determine this licensing bs got started with marriage licenses to allow someone to marry outside their own race (which at one time was illegal). Definition of license from the Free Online Law Dictionary: The permission granted by competent authority to exercise a certain privilege that, without such authorization, would constitute an illegal act, a Trespass or a tort. The certificate or the document itself that confers permission to engage in otherwise proscribed conduct. You have a RIGHT to travel by the means available to you. These days it is usually cars, motorcycles and pickup trucks. I don't know too many people who would object to a certificate of competency showing that someone has demonstrated the requisite skill to move a car from point a to point b. And after they have demonstrated that and received the certificate they should be left alone until and unless they are involved in an accident which can be shown to be their fault. And in the end, drivers licenses or certificates of competency do not, in and of themselves, make anyone a better or worse "driver" (driver as it is used in the normally understood sense, not to mean the operator of a commercial vehicle). Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#2. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
#3. To: Artisan (#1)
If one views driving (travel) as a right and not a govt granted 'privilege' there is no problem with anyone driving regardless. It would be interesting to take a poll on this here to gauge what the majority of posters think.
#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)
While I am not if favor of granting illegals licenses (I am in favor of deporting them) I come down in favor of requiring licensing as a public safety measure. As long as the government does not abuse the licensing procedure to fulfill an agenda hidden...
#5. To: abraxas, HAPPY2BME-4UM (#2)
Hi Happy! How have you been?
#6. To: Artisan (#1)
If one views driving (travel) as a right and not a govt granted 'privilege' there is no problem with anyone driving regardless.
#7. To: Liberator (#4)
While I am not if favor of granting illegals licenses (I am in favor of deporting them) I come down in favor of requiring licensing as a public safety measure. As long as the government does not abuse the licensing procedure to fulfill an agenda hidden...
#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)
While I agree that you do have a point I still stand behind my reasoning. One of the legitimate functions of government is to protect the rights, and liberties of all. Having educated drivers on the road is a legitimate function.
#9. To: Artisan (#1)
#10. To: Liberator (#8)
the rights and liberties of citizens are violated in the FIRST place by what are unauthorized invaders.
#11. To: Original_Intent (#10)
#12. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
#13. To: James Deffenbach (#9)
I don't agree with the concept of "driver's licenses" at all. A certification of competency might be ok but a license implies that the state is allowing you to do something that you couldn't legally do without the blessings of the state.
#14. To: noone222 (#13)
ILLEGALS might actually qualify as needing a license since everything they do here is ILLEGAL anyway.
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)
Reckon you could get the cop who is pushing for his amigos and amigas to have drivers licenses would agree that their being in the country is illegal?
#16. To: Liberator (#11)
What also provides a dilemma is the lack of liability on the part of licensed illegals who could not possible afford to pay the insurance either.
#17. To: Liberator (#5)
#18. To: Liberator, james deffenbach, original_intent (#6)
Where do you want to take this??
#19. To: Original_Intent (#16)
Which, as you rightly point out, is therefore a false argument for promoting licensure of illegals who probably couldn't pass the test and likely would not get insurance.
#20. To: Artisan (#19)
#21. To: Dakmar (#20)
#22. To: Artisan (#21)
The criteria for their customers is not yer problem.
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#9)
I don't agree with the concept of "driver's licenses" at all. A certification of competency might be ok but a license implies that the state is allowing you to do something that you couldn't legally do without the blessings of the state. And it is demonstrably false that their little card makes anyone any better or that not having one makes anyone any worse "driver." Plus, it is a RIGHT to travel, not a privilege, and the most common means of exercising that right these days for most people is through the use of a car or motorcycle or a pickup truck.
#24. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
LAPD Chief
#25. To: sizzlerguy (#24)
LAPD Chief
#26. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#23)
A license IS a SANCTION.
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