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Title: LAPD Chief: Illegal Immigrants Should Get Licenses
Source: NBC SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
URL Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l ... ld-Get-Licenses-140162953.html
Published: Feb 25, 2012
Author: NBC SAN DIEGO
Post Date: 2012-02-25 08:57:04 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Views: 437
Comments: 26

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LA Police Chief Charlie Beck said he supports giving driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants in California to improve roadway safety. "I think it's important that the state look at licensing undocumented immigrants," Beck said during a media availability on Thursday. "It's a public safety issue. People that are licensed are more likely to have insurance, more likely to report accidents, more likely to have vehicles that are registered to them." Beck said the state has failed to reduce the number of illegal immigrants driving without a license.

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#1. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, *California list* (#0)

If one views driving (travel) as a right and not a govt granted 'privilege' there is no problem with anyone driving regardless. It would be interesting to take a poll on this here to gauge what the majority of posters think.

Artisan  posted on  2012-02-25   11:34:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If one views driving (travel) as a right and not a govt granted 'privilege' there is no problem with anyone driving regardless. It would be interesting to take a poll on this here to gauge what the majority of posters think.

While I am not if favor of granting illegals licenses (I am in favor of deporting them) I come down in favor of requiring licensing as a public safety measure. As long as the government does not abuse the licensing procedure to fulfill an agenda hidden and separate from insuring that drivers meet a minimum standard of proven competency it is a safety measure which benefits all drivers as a group. I understand the arguments against licensing but the roads are a public commons and I see nothing that conflicts with my generally libertarian views in requiring a license - regardless of whatever you name it. I think most of the objections to competency testing seems to revolve around the use of the word license to describe it. However, the function of requiring a driver to have at least met a minimum standard of knowledge and competence is not something I regard as infringing upon individual liberty. Absolutes are unobtainable in the real world and so I want to shy away from absolutism simply for the sake of trying to impose an abstract philosophically absolutist principle upon others.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-25   17:12:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

While I am not if favor of granting illegals licenses (I am in favor of deporting them) I come down in favor of requiring licensing as a public safety measure. As long as the government does not abuse the licensing procedure to fulfill an agenda hidden...

Come on, OI...

The ONLY reason the goob exists these days IS in order to fulfill an agenda. In this can-o-worms case, the results would be catastrophic.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   19:36:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

While I am not if favor of granting illegals licenses (I am in favor of deporting them) I come down in favor of requiring licensing as a public safety measure. As long as the government does not abuse the licensing procedure to fulfill an agenda hidden...

Come on, OI...

The ONLY reason the goob exists these days IS in order to fulfill an agenda. In this can-o-worms case, the results would be catastrophic.

While I agree that you do have a point I still stand behind my reasoning. One of the legitimate functions of government is to protect the rights, and liberties of all. Having educated drivers on the road is a legitimate function.

Although it could be done privately as well by having certified programs that are autonomous but recognized as valid - kind of an Underwriters Laboratory for driving.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-25   19:45:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

While I agree that you do have a point I still stand behind my reasoning. One of the legitimate functions of government is to protect the rights, and liberties of all. Having educated drivers on the road is a legitimate function.

While I understand your point (I saw TWO vehicular accidents last week - BOTH involved what appeared to be Mexicans [in the state of NJ]) - the rights and liberties of citizens are violated in the FIRST place by what are unauthorized invaders.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   19:58:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

the rights and liberties of citizens are violated in the FIRST place by what are unauthorized invaders.

No argument whatsoever.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-25   20:09:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What also provides a dilemma is the lack of liability on the part of licensed illegals who could not possible afford to pay the insurance either.

Heads they win; Tails we lose. The trends all seem to be bad news for us.

Liberator  posted on  2012-02-25   20:12:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What also provides a dilemma is the lack of liability on the part of licensed illegals who could not possible afford to pay the insurance either.

Which, as you rightly point out, is therefore a false argument for promoting licensure of illegals who probably couldn't pass the test and likely would not get insurance. The real agenda is legitimization of the illegals and providing another lever to support shamnesty.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-02-25   21:27:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Which, as you rightly point out, is therefore a false argument for promoting licensure of illegals who probably couldn't pass the test and likely would not get insurance.

actually, believe it or not, drivers licenses are not required to acquire auto liability insurance. they sell it on nearly ever corner in L.A. with huge signs NO NECESITA LICENSIA. and advertise it on radio, too. in english and spanish. the company can sell their product to whomever they want, since they assume the risk. Which is how it should be.

Artisan  posted on  2012-02-25   21:59:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Would I, as a US citizen deprived of ethnic affiliation actually receive due compensation from such an outfit? Hell, a judge in PA just ruled that muslims have every right to assault anyone they perceive to be offensive.

Dakmar  posted on  2012-02-26   0:21:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

yes. they are licensed & legit insurance companies. & since states generally all honor each others ins. policies & laws it'd be good even if a CA illegal hit you in your state. The criteria for their customers is not yer problem. in fact its a benefit.

Artisan  posted on  2012-02-26   0:39:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#22. To: Artisan (#21)

The criteria for their customers is not yer problem.

I'll sleep better tonight, thanks. :)

Dakmar  posted on  2012-02-26 00:52:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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