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Title: LAPD Chief: Illegal Immigrants Should Get Licenses
Source: NBC SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
URL Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l ... ld-Get-Licenses-140162953.html
Published: Feb 25, 2012
Author: NBC SAN DIEGO
Post Date: 2012-02-25 08:57:04 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Views: 422
Comments: 26

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LA Police Chief Charlie Beck said he supports giving driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants in California to improve roadway safety. "I think it's important that the state look at licensing undocumented immigrants," Beck said during a media availability on Thursday. "It's a public safety issue. People that are licensed are more likely to have insurance, more likely to report accidents, more likely to have vehicles that are registered to them." Beck said the state has failed to reduce the number of illegal immigrants driving without a license.

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#1. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, *California list* (#0)

If one views driving (travel) as a right and not a govt granted 'privilege' there is no problem with anyone driving regardless. It would be interesting to take a poll on this here to gauge what the majority of posters think.

Artisan  posted on  2012-02-25   11:34:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Artisan (#1)

I don't agree with the concept of "driver's licenses" at all. A certification of competency might be ok but a license implies that the state is allowing you to do something that you couldn't legally do without the blessings of the state. And it is demonstrably false that their little card makes anyone any better or that not having one makes anyone any worse "driver." Plus, it is a RIGHT to travel, not a privilege, and the most common means of exercising that right these days for most people is through the use of a car or motorcycle or a pickup truck.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-25   20:05:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: James Deffenbach (#9)

I don't agree with the concept of "driver's licenses" at all. A certification of competency might be ok but a license implies that the state is allowing you to do something that you couldn't legally do without the blessings of the state. And it is demonstrably false that their little card makes anyone any better or that not having one makes anyone any worse "driver." Plus, it is a RIGHT to travel, not a privilege, and the most common means of exercising that right these days for most people is through the use of a car or motorcycle or a pickup truck.

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A license IS a SANCTION. Never forget that. Anytime a county, state, or federal entity licenses a person in a specific activity, IT IS A SANCTION (authorization to perform).

What the government is doing here is SANCTIONING (sponsoring) ILLEGAL ALIENS to perform and operate freely, granting them the SAME SANCTIONS (rights) as American CITIZENS.

RECAP: LICENSE = SANCTION = AMNESTY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2012-02-26   11:37:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#26. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#23)

A license IS a SANCTION.

A license, properly defined, is the state giving its permission to do that which would not be legal without said license. As far as I can determine this licensing bs got started with marriage licenses to allow someone to marry outside their own race (which at one time was illegal).

Definition of license from the Free Online Law Dictionary:

The permission granted by competent authority to exercise a certain privilege that, without such authorization, would constitute an illegal act, a Trespass or a tort. The certificate or the document itself that confers permission to engage in otherwise proscribed conduct.

You have a RIGHT to travel by the means available to you. These days it is usually cars, motorcycles and pickup trucks. I don't know too many people who would object to a certificate of competency showing that someone has demonstrated the requisite skill to move a car from point a to point b. And after they have demonstrated that and received the certificate they should be left alone until and unless they are involved in an accident which can be shown to be their fault. And in the end, drivers licenses or certificates of competency do not, in and of themselves, make anyone a better or worse "driver" (driver as it is used in the normally understood sense, not to mean the operator of a commercial vehicle).

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-02-26 12:43:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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