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Title: Does ANYONE here not have "out of wedlock" kids in your family or extended family? How has this harmed society?
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Published: Feb 29, 2012
Author: me
Post Date: 2012-02-29 08:26:22 by Artisan
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Is marriage irrelevant? I think definitely not. This planned breakdown of society is very tragic. The first generation of this accepted trend of kids without marriage, at least (generally) had financially stable married parents to help w/ the grandkids. Poster Comment: The next generation (the kids who were born out of wedlock) now has even less familial stability, parents with divorces, exs, halves, steps, financial woes, misery. THEIR kids are much worse off than even they were. Good grief make it stop.
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#1. To: Artisan (#0)
THe only one in my extended family that has one is my brother. She's doing fine. I'm glad he didn't marry the mother. Someone else did. But there are no hard feelings from anyone. He is still in her life.
-------------------------------------------------------- My family is Loaded with little Bastards!! There's even a few whose breeders never got married! Have they hurt society? Sure. They TAKE. Don't know the word WORK. You know, New Americans.
I'm glad she is fine. Ive found that kids from broken homes tend to do the same & as the other article illustrated have misery, poverty & a lot of other problems. Not the stable 2 parent nice middle class home that most of us got to experience. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
When it comes to the article you reference, I take it with a grain of salt. I'd like to see the real stats. Not that I'm a statistician mind you, but if they are lying it's sometimes easy to tell. I have learned to take no ones word when it comes to giving stats. In my own experience, it's the blacks that have this problem. That is what I have seen with my own eyes. -------------------------------------------------------- My mother had two children out of wedlock, and I was one of them. MY stability is always being questioned, but neither me nor my children have had children born out of wedlock. Unfortunately, maintaining a close family unit takes more than one parent and I picked a mate who didn't give a crap. My bad. I am happy to report, however, that my two sons maintain a strong family unit that is proven by the successes of each of my grandchildren. My daughter, on the other hand, has been a great disappointment. SO ... generalities don't fit every situation, but I wholly agree that the breakdown of our society has been a result of the breakdown of the family unit.
I do. I have over thirty first cousins. Not one of them or any of their many children have given birth outside marriage. That is not to say that a few weddings weren't on an urgent time schedule. There are still many places where marriage is expected and the norm.
Every one of my nieces and nephews have out-of-wedlock kids. Harm them? What possible good can come from broken families? "You shall have fun, no matter what you do." -- Turtle
Well, let's see. How about discouraging the passing out of birth control to high school kids to start with. Teach the young girls pussy control instead of them giving themselves away to just any guy in town. Teach women that education comes first before getting hooked up with a guy (especially a guy who has no respectable job). It's not about where you came from but where you are going. If you have a structured state of mind and have a no-nonsense attitude, you will attract those similar to yourself. This also applies to relationships. The women need to focus on education and improving themselves. As for relationships, if they respect themselves, they would never get involved in a relationship where the guy is just using them for the sex. In fact, they would practice pussy control and stay focused on their career and if the man really sincerely wanted to be with this woman, he would have his shit together. Including his credit history because that is one thing that some women look at because they want to know if he is capable of paying his bills on time. Marriage is not a thing of the past and is nothing to scoff at. People still do marry and start families. It's really about how you feel about relationships. If you feel marriage is bullshit then of course, you are going to have children out of wedlock. I was born out of wedlock. In fact, my birthright was sold from me to a member of my mom's side of the family. I got screwed badly of my own bloodline and inheritance. I didn't find out the truth about this until several years ago. But, that does not mean I continue the same cycle as they did. In fact, I want to be married and refuse to be swept off my feet unless the guy has integrity and nobleness of character. Of course I like kids, but I also want them to have a future. A real future. And a real future starts with the parents who are thinking about the children's future rather than just screwing around. And btw, not all blacks fall into the category of poverty-stricken, illiterates. I have had the privilege of meeting very successful black business owners who lived in middle classed neighborhoods.
Nonsense. Those (intelligent whites) that know marriage is bullshit have even more reason to not have kids and know how to prevent it. That includes bringing our own condoms, and sometimes putting tobasco sauce in used condoms, Just To Make Sure. Women can be sneaky. The tobasco will make things unpleasant if they have any funny ideas. Blacks are a different story. They generally dont give a damn. I have had the privilege of meeting very successful black business owners who lived in middle classed neighborhoods. Wow. Really? How quaint. If you want to know how quaint, substitute "white" for "black" and see how it sounds. -------------------------------------------------------- Here in Ecuador, there's a very high rate of infidelity compared to the USA, and I never appreciated the confusion it could cause till I came here. With a high rate of children born out of wedlock, there's a real loss of family definition which impacts identity and relations with others. For example 2 people may be half brothers, each with the same mother but different father which can really screw things up, so to speak. It can be a source of division at the teen level as one can ridicule the other. Also, people can have half-siblings out there that s/he has never met. Kids have 0 or perhaps 2 fathers, one basically adopted. The confusion is pretty substantial. I can appreciate that having been in the company of it here.
Not true. Intelligent whites? Sorry but some whites are just as irresponsible as some black people. "Wow. Really? How quaint. If you want to know how quaint, substitute "white" for "black" and see how it sounds." No, I just say it like it really is. Nothing quaint about it at all. There are some blacks who do have their shit together and go to school and become doctors, lawyers, scientists. Ever read Thomas Sowell's article? That's an example of an educated black man who knows what he's talking about. See, you need to stop stereotyping all blacks as badly demented socially inept people. There are just as many highly illiterate white people there too. In fact, I know of a black scientist from Inglewood, Ca. I've been to that area many times by myself. It is mostly gang infested with the Mexican gangs trying to push out the blacks. As a white woman, I am honored to have met this man who is highly educated and has applied himself in the right direction.
Yep. Just goes to show it's not just skin color. To me skin color is just an indicator of possible trouble ahead. Especially when there are several gathered together. They get real brave when they are in groups. So very brave... But travel in a black area. Contrast that with a poor white area. You're a lot safer in the poor white area. YOu know a black scientist? How many white or asian scientists do you know? A black scientist is the exception, not the rule. Black culture reflects black reality. And that reality is that out of wedlock births are common with blacks. That you know some exception(s) to that rule does not disprove that rule. There are always exceptions. They';re just that; exceptions. Get rid of them, all of them including the exceptions, and we will come out very much ahead in the deal. The exceptions are not even needed here. -------------------------------------------------------- I'll second that. It was a black fellow who first encouraged me to study the bible. It didn't take, obviously, But I certainly give the man credit for trying to the right thing.
Not true at all because there are just as many violent white folks out there as there are blacks. And in some poor white areas, if you don't talk the white trash "n***** this n***** that" attitude, you become a target to their vicious assaults. I know of this too well. I grew up in a neighborhood full of white kids who bullied and assaulted anybody of their peers who spoke or were friends to blacks. You see, racism is not inately born. It is taught to our children by our parents who teach them this hate and that their race is superior to blacks. At least, I was taught that growing up and I rejected that way of thinking all the way because I had God in my soul and with His spirit in me, it did not matter what race the person was but rather it was their character and reputation that mattered more. God does not teach us that we are superior to any race but that His statutes are superior to man's. And I'm willing to bet that Jesus was not white at all!
Nope. Look at both the population stats, and the prison stats. THey are more violent far beyond their numbers. As of 2000, they were 12% of the population. Inmates By Race White: 127,785 (59.0 %) Black: 81,136 (37.5 %) Native American: 4,037 (1.9 %) Asian: 3,553 (1.6 %) ---------------------------------- www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/raceinc.html ---------------------------------- www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis.../age_race_arrest93-01.pdf I refer to sec. 2. Notice both the numbers given, and notice the "race" classification. THey are now officially politically correct. It's called "Race-specific Arrest Rates", but it's not really specific, is it. I wonder why... And those numbers given do not count those on parole or with previous felony convictions that aren't in the system anymore. At least not yet... Give them time. -------------------------------------------------------- How many villages should we wipe out? How many slaves should we take? Should the women and children be slaughtered with the men? How about the animals? I guess we should ask 'god'. Or we could go off of what the "good book" says about their 'god' and what that 'god' did in the past. -------------------------------------------------------- Gee I wonder why too. That is if you believe what the FBI tells you is 'specifically' correct. Statistics are manipulated to appease a certain race of people. I never rely on stats especially those determined by the FBI well-known for covering up the real story re 9-11. Your reality is your truth, PSUSA2. As long as you stay in your "comfort zone" of truth, you will never be at ease with the rest of the human race.
... Your reality is your truth Certain race? Which one would that be? Come on, you can say it. What's true is certain, Truth is not so certain. -------------------------------------------------------- thanks for sharing. i guess people do the best they can but society is definitely degraded. i wonder what, if anything, will ever turn it around.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
that's great! your name is fitting, youre truly 'too conservative :)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
agreed 100%. Not good, although i have to give the single moms credit. at least they didnt kill their babies like millions of other women do.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
what you say makes a lot of sense. the old adage water seeks its own level is very applicable to the kind of people one attracts & chooses to associate with.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
that is too bad. the so-called sexual revolution definitely transcended international borders. i think it actually was an international conspiracy to destroy cohesive family unit & thus create serfs.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I have no reason to believe that this is a new trend here. It may be what's typical for this area. There's some scientific angle that says that in warmer climates where food is plentiful year round there is less of a family unit because mothers don't really need husbands around to care for children. So the men tend to get promiscuous and the women consequently do too, and the guy who can spread himself around the most "wins" the offspring game. It more seasonal climates, women need men to be loyal and stay around to feed and cloth them to survive the winter hardships, so families are the natural survival arrangement, in stark contrast to the tropical scene, as uncared for women and children die off. So it's sort of a natural selection type thing. Or used to be in a more primitive environment.
that is very interesting. Are people there religious or secular? Most folks for example think mexicans are devout, but thats hardly the case. in many instances the religious ceremony is an occasional excuse to party/socialize & nothing more.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Catholicism is by far the most popular faith around here, even more than in the states. I've never seen no many small shrines dedicated to the Virgin Mary in the USA. They are in every town, at least one, on street corners or public parks. Given that Catholicism preaches family unity, fidelity, and all that, it's kinda puzzling.
You nailed this one great! The true purpose of having children was to keep the aristocracy in place of the wealthy elite. There was no such thing as food stamps, social security, or other social benefits. Only the wealthy could afford to have children. And the purpose of having children was to keep the money in the family name through generations to follow. Marriage was a serious business and dowries had instrinsic value. An example would be the father bringing his daughter to a social function to be introduced to eligible respectable bachelors. Those bachelors had to meet the prong test by the father and mother as far as worthiness of marriage to the daughter. The idea of the daughter messing around town with men was a social disgrace as well as a disgrace to the family name. Any daughter who shamed the family name was disowned. This practice still goes on even today. In fact, I had a female roommate back in 1988 who was the same age as me. She got pregnant and when her parents found out about it, they threw her out on the streets and disowned her! Whether this pregnancy was planned or by accident (such as rape) her family would have nothing to do with it. She came from a very well-educated and affluent background and we became good friends. I felt sorry for her as she needed emotional support. I was going to night school and dating a law student and she was into computers. Very smart gal. However, our landlord at that time would not permit her to stay because, it went against his social norm system to rent out to women in distress like this. He was from the Middle East. He and I got along ok though. I was not allowed to bring men home to his place and I respected that. I was not into men anyway as I was focused on school. But my aunt was interested in him and she dated him a few times. He didn't like her because he already figured what she was up to. She was a gold-digger and a professional whore that slept with wealthy rich men. He even told me this himself. He worked in aerospace. She did nails for the wealthy elite. She finally married a jew who also saw her for what what she really was. When he and I were having a morning walk one day, he showed me his marriage ring. He told me that he had my aunt's wedding ring inscribed with the following in Hebrew: "Eat first or fuck first". I was stunned and asked him why he had that done. He told me that he already knew what my aunt was but that he was going to make the determination of her networth. By the inscription on the ring and having her sign a pre-nuptial agreement, so that she does not get her hands on inheritance money or property to his daughter, that's how he kept her in check. I don't know if I feel for my aunt or not.
planned...isn't that the truth. 45 Communist [Jewish] Goals For the Take-Over of America "..40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. ..." http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm related: Communist Manifesto - All Ten Planks...In America!! http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.html Rabbi Stephen Wise : "Some call it Marxism [Communism], I call it Judaism". "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#2. To: Artisan (#0)
#3. To: PSUSA2 (#1)
She's doing fine
#4. To: Artisan (#3)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#5. To: Artisan (#0)
The next generation (the kids who were born out of wedlock) now has even less familial stability, parents with divorces, exs, halves, steps, financial woes, misery. THEIR kids are much worse off than even they were. Good grief make it stop.
#6. To: Artisan (#0)
Title: Does ANYONE here not have "out of wedlock" kids in your family or extended family? How has this harmed society?
#7. To: Artisan (#0)
#8. To: Artisan (#0)
"...Good grief make it stop."
#9. To: purplerose, artisan (#8)
If you feel marriage is bullshit then of course, you are going to have children out of wedlock.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#10. To: Artisan (#0)
#11. To: PSUSA2 (#9)
(Edited)
Blacks are a different story. They generally dont give a damn.
#12. To: purplerose (#11)
(Edited)
Intelligent whites? Sorry but some whites are just as irresponsible as some black people.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#13. To: purplerose (#8)
And btw, not all blacks fall into the category of poverty-stricken, illiterates.
#14. To: PSUSA2 (#12)
But travel in a black area. Contrast that with a poor white area. You're a lot safer in the poor white area.
#15. To: purplerose (#14)
(Edited)
Not true at all because there are just as many violent white folks out there as there are blacks
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#16. To: purplerose (#14)
God does not teach us that we are superior to any race but that His statutes are superior to man's.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#17. To: PSUSA2 (#15)
#18. To: purplerose (#17)
Statistics are manipulated to appease a certain race of people.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#19. To: Phant2000 (#5)
#20. To: TooConservative (#6)
#21. To: Turtle (#7)
#22. To: purplerose (#8)
#23. To: Pinguinite (#10)
#24. To: Artisan (#23)
that is too bad. the so-called sexual revolution definitely transcended international borders. i think it actually was an international conspiracy to destroy cohesive family unit & thus create serfs.
#25. To: Pinguinite (#24)
#26. To: Artisan (#25)
#27. To: Artisan (#23)
"...i think it actually was an international conspiracy to destroy cohesive family unit & thus create serfs."
#28. To: Artisan (#0)
This planned breakdown of society is very tragic.
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