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Title: Anonymous Takes Down Vatican Website
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URL Source: http://www.itproportal.com/2012/03/ ... us-takes-down-vatican-website/
Published: Mar 7, 2012
Author: n
Post Date: 2012-03-07 15:36:20 by PSUSA2
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Views: 343
Comments: 32
Hot on the heels of its Panda Labs defacements, Anonymous has taken down the Vatican's own website in a protest against what it described was a "corrupt" church organisation. "Anonymous decided today to besiege your site in response to the doctrine, to the liturgies, to the absurd and anachronistic concepts that your for-profit organisation spreads around the world," read a statement posted on an Italian anon website. "This attack is not against the Christian religion or the faithful around the world but against the corrupt Roman Apostolic Church." This is the second high profile attack the group has made since the announcement of the Lulzsec leader snitching on several other members of the anti-sec movement yesterday. Earlier today it was announced that Anti-Virus makers Panda Labs had been hit, with over 30 of its sub-domains being defaced with a message that decried the company's actions, as well as laughing at the irony of a security firm being hacked quite so thoroughly. Apparently Panda Labs was heavily involved with monitoring IRC chat rooms and Anonymous hang outs in order to help inform the FBI and other government organisations on potential future targets of the hacktivist movement. On top of revenge actions, much in the way of supportive messages and thoughts have been flooding in for those few hackers that were arrested in recent days, with many petitioning and calling for their release. Some claim that those charged are not even hackers, but political prisoners. Source: GMANetwork
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#1. To: All (#0)
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www.vatican.va/ It just took a while to load. -------------------------------------------------------- It's dead, no response. His Eminence the Pope may have been vaporized. Catholics aren't taught to be hateful and spiteful against Non-Catholics.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Perhaps that is why they murdered all those people? They did it out of love? They had well over 1000 years to get it right. They failed. Granted, they aren't burning people alive anymore, or massacring entire towns. They leave that to their loving 'god'. They just sodomize little kids and cover it up, and no one bats an eye about what their leaders have done. I suppose that is progress, of a sort. At least they don't murder those kids. -------------------------------------------------------- Oh, knock it off. As if Catholics didn't suffer all of that and massive property theft too at the hands of imperfect Protestants and others. No doubt there's been evil infiltrations of the Catholic clergy as there've been in other religions and occupations. So now you are ok with Conspiracy Theories as long as it's a Catholic Conspiracy being alleged? Do you really think the Catholic Church has the power to prevent suspects from being apprehended by Law Enforcement? Do you believe every accusation is true?; that cleric abusers would have any reason to expect they wouldn't be outed immediately by anyone they victimized?; that every attempt to remove Priests from the intrigues of false-accusers scheming to bankrupt parishes and fracture faith must be evidence of a cover-up?; that it's not at all peculiar how "wealthy", Superpower America has been the relentless target of Catholic persecution and degradation?; that the cases of abuse that are true wipes out all that Catholics have strived to do for betterment of this world and the alleviation of suffering?; that the same sort of undermining of the Church's powers as in Luther's time (which fragmented and scattered Christianity into many weaker denominations) couldn't possibly be back at those plottings again? My, that would be quite a fanciful, Conspiracy-mindset and also naive in the extreme. Edited for grammar and structure - last question. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You asked me a lot of questions. I will not answer them all. Perhaps you can pick 1 or 2? -------------------------------------------------------- P.S. What do you suppose makes Protestants and Atheists and others such as yourself so driven by irrational and fixated hatred for people who aren't being hateful to them? Please give a serious explanation.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Perhaps you can pick 1 or 2? No. Just give them some thought when you can, please, and move on to the question in the next post. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I personally consider being told to believe as "you" (used generically in this post) believe, or be tortured forever in "hell", is not nice. Of course, "you" don't even agree on what it takes to be "saved" from "hell". I find it hateful to be told I am a worthless sinner, born in sin, and need a "savior" for simply being born a human being. THat's the kikes work. What better way to subjugate people than to make them believe they are born lower than whale shit and deserve punishment? And, to top it off, "you" are commanded to get converts. The kikes get "you" to do their work for them. But I do have some compassion on those that say these things. I used to say them to others myself. I did it, but it was out of ignorance and programming. I evolved out of it. If people would quit thumping their bibles and open them to read them with open eyes, they would leave it too. Read my sigline and click the link. He says it better than I can. Is that serious enough? -------------------------------------------------------- Yes, thanks, but still doesn't quite explain the level of hatred from Protestants whose beliefs are much the same on the points you mentioned. Have you ever listened to this Pope? I suspect most who scorn him haven't. A wise and kind, gentle guide, imo. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
my research shows it is indeed a conspiracy with the pervs at the top controlling many seminaries & promoting/protecting their fellow pervs. "the smoke of satan has entered the sanctuary", the pope warned in the 60's. RCF.org has the full scoop.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I was a protestant but I had no problem with catholics as a group. I am a satanist now, and I have no problem with individual catholics or protestants, but have a big problem with the 3 abrahamic 'faiths', because of what they have done in the past and what they continue to do to this planet. As for the hatred between catholic / protestant, my own guess is that catholics see themselves as 'gods' true representatives and the protestants as interlopers. But that is just a guess. I never bothered with that crap when I was still a xtian. -------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the cutting insight. I can scarcely imagine any group you wouldn't likewise have such big problems with then, under those standards -- that isn't mythical, anyway. Hatreds or whatever you want to call it that have to look backward all that far -- centuries and millenia even -- for "validation" examples with no consistency to speak of are so problematic, imo, as to be unhinged or borderline so. Does that sound much to you like Zionist reasoning to keep counting ancient enemies as unforgivable and due everlasting punishment? Look around at the mountainous examples of Atheistic barbarity in the USSR, Communist China, the destruction of life and oppressions of polytheistic and pagan cultures of old -- even in moderntimes in some places, like in India. Does it all go away basically if you redirect any revulsions about that onto Monotheistic Abrahamic faiths? Do you ever consider how much worse the conditions of the world might be but for Christian believers who are imperfect and errant humans too but have tried mightily to correct their errors and the wrongs inflicted by whoever on others? You should -- or do you honestly think the world would be a vastly better place with much less history of religious wars and power struggles and sufferings as there have been if they were never here, trying to make themselves and their Churches a buffer against those things as they do from time to time? Well, that doesn't quite explain either why Protestants so often exhibit very Unchristianlike loathing and illwill towards Catholics who are doing nothing at all to them to warrant it. I've seen it as so knee-jerk reactive and as such a widespread pattern among them that it's like they are being indoctrinated with enmity towards Catholics as a major part of their doctrinal belief systems. Although you are quick to ascribe a Superiority complex to Catholics, that is not any less so among Protestants by my observations. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You've probably researched it in more detail than I have. I don't doubt that alleged evidence has been packaged as a conspiracy at the top. I don't doubt there are some who are there to purposely bring the Church to ruin. Common sense should tell us, though, that although the Catholic Church is also a government with its own internal disciplinary and reassignment systems (rather like our Military) which is compounded in complexity by the Church's mission to forgive those who claim to repent and ask for forgiveness, even so the Catholic Church is not so powerful in this era as to be able to go into cover-up mode and refuse secular Law Enforcement Arrests and Prosecutions of abuser suspects among them -- certainly not in this country where Catholicism is regarded as far lower on the Totem pole than say Evangelical Fundamentalist Protestantism; no where near as influential in questions of Justice here as in countries/regions like Spain, Italy, South America and the like that have way more respect for the Catholic Church than Americans in general do. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
unlike most, i approach this issue from a Catholic perspective. It is us precisely who had a very grave obligation, not to deny/obfuscate, but to confront & expose this pure evil & ROUT IT OUT. We can have a more in depth discussion at a later time. ;-)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
that is very true & perceptive. the prots pappi & grandfolks have very obviously indoctrinated that bilge into them, generationally. You can read it here parroted at 4um whenever a 'religious' topic comes up. i find it comical (absurd) & dismiss it. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I would just caution to not deny that there's also the obligation to be Just as well as strident -- to not be dismayed into being neglectful of confronting, exposing, and routing out the pure evil of whatever false accusations there might be. That could be devastating too for the Church and those who look to it for guidance and help. Ok. ; ) Edited 1st sentence and for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Actually, GreyLmist is correct in his assertion that "Catholics aren't taught to be hateful and spiteful against Non-Catholics." I've seen this many times in my in-laws. Despite their loyalty to the Church they don't respond to criticism, fair or otherwise, with edgy replies supplied by the Vatican. If you're Catholic (and not lapsed, disillusioned or angry) then you'll understand how the Church fills a need. If not, or you're a former Catholic who is no longer walking in grace then the members whose dues are current won't try to talk you out of feeling the way you may feel. "When a man no longer enjoys wine, women or song he can always go hunting".
That's all, besides insightful post. :) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I've seen this many times in my in-laws. Despite their loyalty to the Church they don't respond to criticism, fair or otherwise, with edgy replies supplied by the Vatican. So they ARE taught to be "hateful"? You used the word 'edgy' instead. How do you mean "edgy"? Your relatives may have simply come to the conclusion that these vatican supplied replies don't have the desired effect, or have the opposite effect. I've been to the vatican site before. The catholics have a scripture for everything. Perhaps they should use that scripture to answer these criticisms, instead of pre-packaged PR 'answers'. It worked for the various inquisitions... so let them know, or remind them, what the "good book" says. -------------------------------------------------------- One does not have to go back centuries. Look at what is happening now. Muslims, jews, and christians are making this world into a sewer. Muslims make their demands, and murder those that dont follow. Jews are the godfathers of organized crime; they are the puppeteers. Xtians bellow about separation of church and state when it comes to paying taxes, until (s)election time where the candidate better say he is a xtian, or else. I could go on and on about this. They all make demands on those that don't have the same views that they do. When people resist these demands, then they bitch about this as being "persecution" or "antisemitism". Although you are quick to ascribe a Superiority complex to Catholics, that is not any less so among Protestants by my observations. imo it is not so much a superiority complex of catholics towards protestants, but an inferiority complex of protestants towards catholics. Catholics have these cathedrals, built I'm sure to instill a sense of awe, with its rituals, royal-like robes, expensive furnishings, etc. Protestants will build a shack to have worship services in, and wear jeans and a t-shirt. Both are happy in their respective settings, but they are not interchangeable. -------------------------------------------------------- I apologize for the masculine pronoun, It would help me if you had a screen names like "PINK LADY" because my memory ain't what it once was. "When a man no longer enjoys wine, women or song he can always go hunting".
I've seen this many times in my in-laws. Despite their loyalty to the Church they don't respond to criticism, fair or otherwise, with edgy replies supplied by the Vatican. So they ARE taught to be "hateful"? You used the word 'edgy' instead. How do you mean "edgy"? Your relatives may have simply come to the conclusion that these vatican supplied replies don't have the desired effect, or have the opposite effect. I've been to the vatican site before. The catholics have a scripture for everything. Perhaps they should use that scripture to answer these criticisms, instead of pre-packaged PR 'answers'. It worked for the various inquisitions... so let them know, or remind them, what the "good book" says. I understand your zeal in pressing your point. Bin their dun that. I can only say that the in-laws are sincerely graceful when allowing criticism of the Church to pass. Their silent dedication speaks loudly to the issue of just how and why the Church fulfills them. And if I was Catholic I'd be weary of critics who begin attacks with "The G_d-cursed Whore Of Babylon and their Jesuit henchmen should be taken out and....", too. "When a man no longer enjoys wine, women or song he can always go hunting".
Same here. IMO everyone (that's sane) is on the path that they need to be on. It's difficult not to do to others what they have done to us, and try to argue them into a different path. It's a trap and it's hard to avoid. I dont hate the catholics, but I do hate the kikes, as do many others here. But they and the protestants with the vatican are all in it together. It's very confusing. Who and how to fight? This isn't an offensive fight, it's defensive. Can't confine the fight to the religions themselves, because those in those religions don't respond to facts. And they are fucking up this planet, a place I think is a rather nice place to live. I don't know what the answer is. It's a mess, and I don't know if there is even an answer. -------------------------------------------------------- Well said.
"When a man no longer enjoys wine, women or song he can always go hunting".
No need to apologize. An easy way to remember is by the suffix "mist" not being "mister". :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I still don't know who you haven't gripes about on past and present behavior but on this statement, "imo it is not so much a superiority complex of catholics towards protestants, but an inferiority complex of protestants towards catholics." I have to say I've never seen such a Protestant inferiority complex. Quite the contrary.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Very good. "I have a real dilemma now. Do I play the first set with my Strat or my Tele? And with 8 terrific amps from which to choose which two do I load up"?
I may not go to church, or belong to a church, but I do open my bible and read it with open eyes. But I don't leave the messages contained in them. You are free to refuse God in your life but woe to you who mock others who choose Him in their hearts, minds and souls. People who have God in their hearts are not taught to have hatred for those who do not believe. They are taught that patience is a virtue and that you cannot force your will onto another to choose what they will believe.
What does that mean? People who have God in their hearts are not taught to have hatred for those who do not believe. Then you don't open your "bible and read it with open eyes". It is all about hate. I can provide many examples of this hate. And murder. And it's all attributed to the kike 'god', or to 'jesus', and not to men. I don't know how anyone could call this god 'good'. But I have been down this road before. I provide examples that are only ignored, and never refuted. So I won't bother doing it this time. It is always a wasted effort. The last thing people want is an honest discussion on religion. That is especially true when things are pointed out that are printed in black and white in their own bibles. Believe what you want. -------------------------------------------------------- It means that I don't ignore the messages in the scripture. It teaches me wisdom. And believe what you want too. But, to those like me, believing in Jesus Christ as my personal savior, has absolutely nothing to do with man-made religion. Jesus did not invent religion. Man did.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#2. To: PSUSA2 (#1)
www.vatican.va/
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#3. To: PSUSA2 (#0)
#4. To: GreyLmist (#3)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#5. To: PSUSA2 (#4)
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#6. To: GreyLmist (#5)
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#7. To: PSUSA2 (#4)
#8. To: PSUSA2 (#6)
You asked me a lot of questions. I will not answer them all.
#9. To: GreyLmist (#7)
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P.S. What do you suppose makes Protestants and Atheists and others such as yourself so driven by irrational and fixated hatred for people who aren't being hateful to them? Please give a serious explanation.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#10. To: PSUSA2 (#9)
Is that serious enough?
#11. To: GreyLmist (#5)
#12. To: GreyLmist (#10)
Yes, thanks, but still doesn't quite explain the level of hatred from Protestants whose beliefs are much the same on the points you mentioned.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#13. To: PSUSA2 (#12)
but have a big problem with the 3 abrahamic 'faiths', because of what they have done in the past and what they continue to do to this planet.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#14. To: PSUSA2 (#12)
I have no problem with individual catholics or protestants, but have a big problem with the 3 abrahamic 'faiths', because of what they have done in the past and what they continue to do to this planet.
As for the hatred between catholic / protestant, my own guess is that catholics see themselves as 'gods' true representatives and the protestants as interlopers. But that is just a guess. I never bothered with that crap when I was still a xtian.
#15. To: Artisan (#11)
my research shows it is indeed a conspiracy with the pervs at the top controlling many seminaries & promoting/protecting their fellow pervs. "the smoke of satan has entered the sanctuary", the pope warned in the 60's. RCF.org has the full scoop.
#16. To: GreyLmist (#15)
#17. To: GreyLmist (#14)
enmity towards Catholics as a major part
#18. To: Artisan (#16)
(Edited)
unlike most, i approach this issue from a Catholic perspective. It is us precisely who had a very grave obligation, not to deny/obfuscate, but to confront & expose this pure evil & ROUT IT OUT.
We can have a more in depth discussion at a later time. ;-)
#19. To: PSUSA2 (#4)
#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
correct in
his the assertion
#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
Actually, GreyLmist is correct in his assertion that "Catholics aren't taught to be hateful and spiteful against Non-Catholics."
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#22. To: GreyLmist (#14)
(Edited)
Hatreds or whatever you want to call it that have to look backward all that far -- centuries and millenia even -- for "validation" examples with no consistency to speak of are so problematic, imo, as to be unhinged or borderline so. Does that sound much to you like Zionist reasoning to keep counting ancient enemies as unforgivable and due everlasting punishment?
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#23. To: GreyLmist (#20)
#24. To: PSUSA2 (#21)
Actually, GreyLmist is correct in her assertion that "Catholics aren't taught to be hateful and spiteful against Non-Catholics."
#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#24)
(Edited)
And if I was Catholic I'd be weary of critics who begin attacks with "The G_d-cursed Whore Of Babylon and their Jesuit henchmen should be taken out and....", too.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#26. To: PSUSA2 (#25)
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#23)
#28. To: PSUSA2 (#22)
#29. To: GreyLmist (#27)
No need to apologize. An easy way to remember is by the suffix "mist" not being "mister". :)
#30. To: PSUSA2 (#9)
(Edited)
"...If people would quit thumping their bibles and open them to read them with open eyes, they would leave it too..."
#31. To: purplerose (#30)
But I don't leave the messages contained in them.
Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll
#32. To: PSUSA2 (#31)
What does that mean?
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