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Title: Do you hate America? A question asked of me by an old man when he saw the Ron Paul for President decal on my car
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Post Date: 2012-03-09 21:34:50 by christine
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Really. I was shopping at the local Sprouts market this evening. As I was loading my groceries, a white bearded old man (he looked just like The Grandfather in the old film, Heidi) who was collecting the carts in the parking lot stopped and asked me, "do you hate America?" I looked at him and replied, "Excuse me?" At first I thought he was being facetious, but then he asked me again, "do you hate America?" while pointing to the decal. He then said, "He (Ron Paul) is going to start a revolution. You must hate America if you are for Him because He is going to rip the country right up the middle within a year. The man (Ron Paul) is an old fool. He's an old fool."

Of course, my first thought was to ask, do you hate our Republic and then to say you, Sir, are the old fool. Instead, I simply replied, Sir, I profoundly disagree with you.

I have to admit, I was sincerely taken aback by that confrontation.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

It's time to stop being polite to asshats. Get some of that Texas Bull Shit Repellent, or if you want to be blunt, tell him to collect his carts and when he's done, shove them all up his a$$.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-03-09   21:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

the generation that got us into this mess by trusting the government unconditionally seems to be deeply confused about the difference between your country...and the government.

in fact, we pledge allegience to the republic for which the flag stands, not a federal government or democracy.

in many cultures they learn from the wisdom of their elders. in ours, the elders often need to learn from the wisdom of the young....that and the fact that clowns like this idiot probably had no problem voting in all these social programs they expected the next generations to pay for....parasites...but just thnk, pops, if there is reincarnation, maybe your ass will get to come back to bear the fruits of your careless, gullible stupidity...

“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.” 53; Milton William Cooper,

gengis gandhi  posted on  2012-03-09   21:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: gengis gandhi (#2)

seems to be deeply confused about the difference between your country...and the government.

sooooo true!!!

christine  posted on  2012-03-09   21:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi (#2)

great comment, John

christine  posted on  2012-03-09   22:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: gengis gandhi (#2)

but just thnk, pops, if there is reincarnation, maybe your ass will get to come back to bear the fruits of your careless, gullible stupidity...

The time has come to tell pops that to his face. It's that,. or we trim our sails and pull in our bumper stickers.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-03-09   22:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine, Jethro Tull, gengis gandhi (#0) (Edited)

I think there was something in early Cold War propaganda that seriously damaged the critical faculties of some people now in their late 60's and those into their 70's. They appear more prone than any other part of the population to government/media manipulation regarding whatever Great Evil must be confronted.

I'm not picking on older folks, though. Plenty of younger folks fall for it too, but many seem to shake it off in their 30's and 40's and at least grow some kind of healthy distrust of the Powers That Be. The older folks, not so much. I think the non-stop threat of imminent death traumatized little kids that are now retired.

bluegrass  posted on  2012-03-09   22:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: bluegrass (#6)

BG, I think we're products of where we were raised. In NYC, such a comment to christine would have guaranteed a prompt "FUCK YOU" by most people i know. From there, it would have either stopped or gone up a notch. There is simply no time left left to suffer a'holes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-03-09   22:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#0)

There is collective blame for all generations to share for the state of our country. Faulting one time group is too easy to do, and wrong.

The thirst for power among men has always been the downfall of every country ever founded. Everyone agrees that good transcends generations, however, many people seem to not understand that "evil" also transcends generations.

What one builds, another tears down.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-09   22:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#0)

Goddamn, Chrissy, that's scary. What the hell is happening to this country?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-03-09   22:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#8)

There is collective blame for all generations to share for the state of our country. Faulting one time group is too easy to do, and wrong.

Agree Cyni. Can u imagine the cart collector in Brownsville, Brooklyn commenting negatively on an Obama sticker?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-03-09   22:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#8)

Faulting one time group is too easy to do, and wrong.

I tend to agree with that. I'm seeing a degradation across the board. Finding someone who "gets it" is almost startling now.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-03-09   22:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-03-09   22:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#0)

I have to admit, I was sincerely taken aback by that confrontation.

Boy, no doubt.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-03-09   22:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: gengis gandhi (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-03-09   22:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: bluegrass (#6)

I think there was something in early Cold War propaganda that seriously damaged the critical faculties of some people now in their late 60's and those into their 70's. They appear more prone than any other part of the population to government/media manipulation regarding whatever Great Evil must be confronted.

Think you're on to something.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-03-09   22:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#8)

The thirst for power among men has always been the downfall of every country ever founded.

The kernel of political truth.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-03-09   22:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton (#12)

there were actually several things i thought to say, but it was pouring rain, cold, i was hungry, eager to get home, and my quick assessment was that he was too ignorant and too far gone to get anything i might have said.

christine  posted on  2012-03-09   22:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: christine (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-03-09   22:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Eric Stratton (#12)

I would have told him that the entire reason why this country is a shithole now is because of ignoramuses like him.

You brought a laff to me.

Tho I would never do that. I think.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-03-09   22:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#17)

assessment was that he was too ignorant and too far gone to get anything i might have said.

For the best.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-03-09   22:53:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: tom007 (#19) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-03-09   22:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#17)

...it was pouring rain, cold, i was hungry, eager to get home...

Now you're really making me feel bad. I see in my mind's-eye my poor sweet Chrissy-waif cold, wet, hungry, lost... And I was nowhere to be found to help you out.

I think I'm gonna cry myself to sleep. Dangit, how do you gals always manage to do this to me?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-03-09   23:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Jethro...

Citizens of this country have long discussed ,if, and when, this country would "elect" its first female president and its first non white President.

The so called "election" of a totally unqualified black man to the office came as a total surprise to those of my age and older.

Surprised not because of his color, rather to the fact that his credentials are of the thinnest gruel. So why did the system not "elect" a well qualified black man???? Therein lies the puzzlement? Why on earth foist this empty shirt off on the country?????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-09   23:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Esso (#22)

next time. smooch.

christine  posted on  2012-03-09   23:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#23)

rather to the fact that his credentials are of the thinnest gruel. So why did the system not "elect" a well qualified black man????

coincidentally, i said the same thing to someone earlier today.

christine  posted on  2012-03-09   23:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine (#17)

but it was pouring rain

Rain? What's that? I would say it's been a coon's age since Texas has seen rain, but the drought has been so bad it's probably spanned generations of coon's ages. Good to see youns are finally getting some relief out there.

"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.

scooter  posted on  2012-03-09   23:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#25)

coincidentally, i said the same thing to someone earlier today.

To me it has always been apparent that Obama, the empty shirt, was "created" for a reason, for a means to an end, as someone was needed that could be totally controlled at all times.

Had Colin Powell been elected, just perhaps he might have kicked over the traces, not easily led by the nose. That chance could not be taken.

This empty shirt makes Carter and Ford look like great Presidents.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-09   23:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#0)

Damn, why do you hate Murka? I would have told that imbecile in no uncertain terms that if he wanted to see who hated Murka and who had probably done about as much as anyone to contribute to its downfall to look in the mirror and see the reflection of the idiot looking back at him.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-03-09   23:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: scooter (#26)

assessment was that he was too ignorant and too far gone to get anything i might have said.

Still having a drought?

Dry here.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2012-03-09   23:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

One reply would be "Ron Paul is the only candidate who will govern according to the original intent of the Founding Fathers, not according to the will of Israel. Why do YOU hate the Founding Fathers??".

P.S. Nobody has said one word to me about my Ron Paul bumper sticker. Then again, that might be because my truck sports a "Hunt Texas" license plate, NRA sticker, and Confederate flag sticker :p

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-03-10   0:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom, *Obama Reality Check* (#23)

Therein lies the puzzlement? Why on earth foist this empty shirt off on the country?????

The mocha-marionette dances to the tune of whoever is jerking it's strings. Obummer is not his own man, which is grounds for suicide in my book. I guess Obummer likes living in his whored-out skin....

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-03-10   0:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: christine (#0)

I think my tendency would be to reply with a question.

Hard to say what I would actually ask without being there. Probably something of order of, "What leads you say that?" It befuddles them more than anything else because it forces them to actually think. Sometimes they'll even melt down when they cannot come up with a rational answer.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-03-10   0:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine (#0)

He is going to rip the country right up the middle within a year.

The country is going to be ripped up the middle anyway. When people have no jobs, no income, no future, something is going to happen.

ratcat  posted on  2012-03-10   1:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: christine (#0)

then he asked me again, "do you hate America?"

The simple answer is "as it operates today, yes, most definitely. What do you have against innocent children, gramps ? Look at yourself, pushing carts around like a homeless person, in Amerika."

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-03-10   3:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#8)

There is collective blame for all generations to share for the state of our country. Faulting one time group is too easy to do, and wrong.

The thirst for power among men has always been the downfall of every country ever founded.

Ultimately the mass of people are responsible for their cultural / societal downfall, usually waiting to long before speaking and acting in truth against those psychopaths that always usurp power through fraud and lies.

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-03-10   4:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: X-15 (#30)

P.S. Nobody has said one word to me about my Ron Paul bumper sticker. Then again, that might be because my truck sports a "Hunt Texas" license plate, NRA sticker, and Confederate flag sticker :p

You FKN turrurists are going to be the downfall of Amurika !

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-03-10   4:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: James Deffenbach (#28)

Damn, why do you hate Murka? I would have told that imbecile in no uncertain terms that if he wanted to see who hated Murka and who had probably done about as much as anyone to contribute to its downfall to look in the mirror and see the reflection of the idiot looking back at him.

It sure gets old having ignorance challenging the informed doesn't it ?

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-03-10   4:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: scooter (#26)

Rain? What's that? I would say it's been a coon's age since Texas has seen rain,

Farming in the panhandle of Texas is challenging these days. We need rain very badly.

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-03-10   4:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: noone222 (#37) (Edited)

It sure gets old having ignorance challenging the informed doesn't it ?

It sure does. I find this particular incident quite disturbing. How the hell could anybody be so misinformed as to accuse Ron Paul of working to destroy this country? He's the only candidate who isn't.

Edit: I wonder where this mallethead thinks a war with Eye-Ran is going to take this country? Eye-Rack was practically disarmed down to the last Red Ryder BB gun at the time we invaded and managed to quagmire us down to the point that our soldiers were committing suicide in their barracks rather than face another day. Eye-Ran has three times the population, four times the land area, has a functioning military, and is allied with Russia, China, India, etc.

I suppose dopey thinks we're just gonna trot right in and "brush 'em aside" like we did in Eye-Rack, Gannystan and all the other ongoing jewWar debacles that have dragged on longer than WWII, right?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-03-10   6:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Esso, christine (#39)

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-03-10   7:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Dakmar (#40)

So it would seem. Goddamn, this bullshit pisses me off. Orwell was an optimist.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-03-10   7:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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