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Title: Obama: US soldier’s reported shooting rampage in Afghanistan ‘tragic and shocking’
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Published: Mar 11, 2012
Author: Olivier Knox | The Ticket
Post Date: 2012-03-11 20:55:52 by Tatarewicz
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President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier as "tragic and shocking" and assured Afghan President Hamid Karzai by telephone that the United States will "hold fully accountable anyone responsible" as the bloody incident plunged already deteriorating ties into a fresh crisis. Obama called Karzai, who denounced the reported shooting rampage as an unforgivable "assassination," to make clear "his Administration's commitment to establish the facts as quickly as possible and to hold fully accountable anyone responsible," the White House said in a statement. Obama expressed "his shock and sadness" to Karzai at the incident, which news reports said left mostly women and children among the dead, and "reaffirmed our deep respect for the Afghan people and the bonds between our two countries," the White House said. Ahead of the call, Obama received a briefing on the incident from top aides including National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough, and Special Assistant to the President for Afghanistan and Pakistan Doug Lute, according to National Security Council deputy spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden. Obama also issued a public statement saying he was "deeply saddened" by the reports and throwing his full support behind promises from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and General John Allen, who commands NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, for a full investigation. Allen said in a statement that the US service member alleged to have carried out the attack was in custody. The Associated Press reported that the suspect was from Fort Lewis, Wash. "This incident is tragic and shocking, and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan. I fully support Secretary Panetta's and General Allen's commitment to get the facts as quickly as possible and to hold accountable anyone responsible," Obama said. The shooting rampage immediately reignited a debate over whether to hasten the US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, where American-led forces are scheduled to hand over security to their hosts by the end of 2014. A new ABC News/Washington Post poll found US public sentiment against the war at near-record highs. "I offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives, and to the people of Afghanistan, who have endured too much violence and suffering," said the president. The tragedy came just days after Obama and Karzai spoke by video conference and agreed that tensions had "calmed" since the burning of Muslim holy books on a US base. That incident had sparked violent protests in Afghanistan and the killing of six US service members at the hands of their Afghan counterparts. It also led Obama to apologize for the desecration of the Qurans in an attempt to quiet clashes that he said endangered US military and civilian personnel. Republican presidential candidates, notably Newt Gingrich, condemned the apology. Panetta said in a statement that he had spoken to Karzai to offer "my deepest condolences" and that "a full investigation is already underway." "I gave President Karzai my assurances that we will bring those responsible to justice. We will spare no effort in getting the facts as quickly as possible, and we will hold any perpetrator who is responsible for this violence fully accountable under the law," said the defense secretary. "I condemn such violence and am shocked and saddened that a U.S. service member is alleged to be involved, clearly acting outside his chain of command," Panetta said. Panetta said the United States remained "steadfast in our resolve to work hand in hand with our Afghan partners." "I am fully committed to ensuring that our cooperation continues. It is essential to forging a more peaceful future for the citizens of both our nations," he added. Allen, who heads the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), offered his "profound regret and deepest condolences" and promised "a rapid and thorough investigation" as well as medical care for those injured in the shooting. "We will maintain custody of the U.S. service member alleged to have perpetrated this attack. And we will cooperate fully with local Afghan authorities as we ascertain all the facts," Allen said in a statement. "This deeply appalling incident in no way represents the values of ISAF and coalition troops or the abiding respect we feel for the Afghan people. Nor does it impugn or diminish the spirit of cooperation and partnership we have worked so hard to foster with the Afghan National Security Forces," Allen said. At a press conference last week, Obama had said that "the situation with the Quran burning concerns me. I think that it is an indication of the challenges in that environment, and it's an indication that now is the time for us to transition." He did not, however, say he would change his withdrawal timetable. But calls to speed up the US draw-down could come from Afghanistan as well as from the American public, which has deeply soured on the conflict. A narrow majority, 54 percent, of respondents in a new ABC News / Washington post poll say US troops should withdraw on time whether or not Afghan forces are self-sufficient. And the survey -- which was conducted on Saturday, before the reported killing spree — found that 60 percent of Americans say the war has not been worth fighting. That's just four points shy of the record 64 percent who said the same thing one year ago. Poster Comment: Just an illustration of the tremendous tensions US grunts are undergoing in a country where they serve no American purpose and are totally unwanted. The incident may be "tragic and shocking...deeply appalling" but no more so than US presidents and members of Congress sending troops there to fight Israel's Afghan enemies just so these politicians could be assured of Jew money, manpower, media and voter support at election time. The bizarre situation in which US and other NATO troops find themselves in is well illustrated in Yahoo's "front page" photo of an (almost funny) sandbagged fortification with make-shift plywood paneling to deflect grenades: http://news.yahoo.com/
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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
End it. Today. The day will never come as long as it's always "tomorrow," and we can't stay there forever.
Afghan Genocide continues: More than 50 civilians martyred by American terrorists The so called American peace keepers have once again quenched their thirst with the blood of innocent Afghan civilians in Kandahar province. According to recent reports arriving from the area, the American invaders backed by their puppets (ANA) left their base last night (11/03/2012) and raided several homes of locals, located near their base in Balambi village of Panjwaee district. Witnesses from the scene say that during the raids, the American terrorists and their puppets shot the household members at point blank range and so far 50 bodies have been found and recovered by the villagers among which, 11 are from the home of Muhammad Wazir including himself. The unsuspecting innocent victims have been sprayed with hundreds of bullets and have been cold-bloodedly martyred.
The least we can do is put the man the horrible grunt was working for up, on war charges???? Right? Was this horrible monster over there on his own, free lancing????? Drag his sorry ass before the world, show them what a real monster looks like. Maybe Obama can wangle another "peace prize" out of this? Americans in their self righteous indignation will scorn this monster. We cannot have wars going on being waged privately. Shoot a hundred grunts over there, teach them a lesson, yes sir.
Bullshit. It isn't the grunts that deserve to be shot and taught "a lesson". It is the damned Zionist elites who work behind the scenes that should be shot. The actions of this American soldier is "tragic and shocking", but not for what he did. It is what we allowed to be created that caused the soldier to engage in a "tragic and shocking" act. How many more soldiers are we going to allow to go nuts over in that God forsaken Middle East before we realize what it is doing to our young? Wake up America and rid our country of the slimy evildoing manipulators and all those who do their bidding, i.e., our POTUS, his administration and every last member of Congress, save perhaps Ron Paul.
What?????? You trying to shift the blame for this off on people like Obama, who were not even there? How soon we forget, from Vietnam the "body count" each day. Drag in bodies, get a ration of beer, maybe even a promotion to PFC. All in civilian clothes??? Dont let that bother you. They are the enemy. Americans are short on memory and long at pointing fingers at others.
Yes, they are. However, from the late 50s and early 60s, the evil have been teaching our young every thing they can to make it possible for the evildoers to win at their dirty games. What we see now is a result of the permeation of our institutes of learning. I hate to leave such vermin for my kids, your kids, and all their kids to clean up, but we have let it go too far to do it ourselves. Sad commentary on how little we took care of how much was left us!
Yes. Our young men are being sent into impossible situations - AND UNNESSARY situations. The US Israel Axis Of Evil has to cease. Government is in every aspect of our lives. A few days ago I was admitted to the hospital for observation. The charge nurse wheeled in a monster puter and started asking questions. I was floored by this one...Do you engage regularly in sex???? I thot she was kidding and gave no answer, then she lowered the monitor into view to show me it was a valid question that required an answer. Then she told me to read the next question. It was, "do you engage regularly in sex with a male or a female". Americans are stupid in not admitting they are brain washed and programmed.
And Brave Women.
Unfortunately, the only way to learn is to admit your mistakes and learn from them. In this case, the frailties of human nature will only be understood by future generations that didn't bring the mess upon themselves.
Our wreched health care system. You need to be observed by JT. Huh? After war mongering, health care has become the most expensive effort expended by this country. The long lines of "professionals" milking the system increases daily and all of them are running people thru the grinder extracting every cent possible. Cardiologists now average a half million a year. They have found the ultimate cash cow.
Asking an 80 year olde man about his sex life, did not seem relevant to me.
OK C, I am now asleep.
i understand your anger at those who sent the soldiers to war to begin with, although these troops volunteered, they were not forced to enlist or drafted. so, at what point does one become responsible for his own actions? there's no defense of wanton violence and murders like this, imo. the truth is, there are monstrous sociopaths who just enjoy killing.
At what point did this soldier become a monstrous sociopath who just enjoys killing? Did he just wake up and went and killed these people, or did something set him off?
Huh? I tend to suspect that by definition those who are brainwashed and programmed are unaware of the fact. Oh, many are but the way the perception management system is executed is that unless you are aware that it is there you are unlikely to notice that reality. At what point did this soldier become a monstrous sociopath who just enjoys killing? Did he just wake up and went and killed these people, or did something set him off? As I commented on the other thread the way anti-depressants are being handed out promiscuously in the combat areas I tend to suspect this guy was on some sort of Psych Drug. Notice that he turned himself in. A sociopath would not do that but someone who had suddenly come to their senses would. who knows, but isn't it possible that it was a contributing factor to his enlisting in the first place?
what about the sociopaths who threw the puppy off the cliff? what set them off? surely, you must realize that people capable of doing such a thing are sadistic beings. it wasn't the military that made them that way.
yes, it could have been drug induced. i disagree that a sociopath wouldn't turn himself in. what choice did he have? he got caught or would have been.
except we really don't what gender the children were. No tragedy that the men died I guess. changing the puppet does not change the play.
Observation? What on Earth for?
God is always good!
Even though the word alleged is used four times in this article, still people reflexively want to believe it happened, that it must be true because the media reported it about the Military. Who really cares if thousands of people died and suffered over hellish lies like "Nurse Nayirah" charged against Iraqi soldiers? Just shrug it off and feel good that no annoying questions got in the way of "humanity's" exhibits of righteous indignation.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Lie. Which is most likely what a true sociopath would do. Despite the outer gloss of normal they are anything but. You're thinking like a normal person and you can't do that in analyzing the behavior of someone who is not sane. Christine... Kill or be killed in wartime presents situations that are indeed unfathomable to people that have not been there. Explaining these situations are a thankless, pointless task, an impossible task as you see here. I would be remiss if I did not at least raise the voice of caution in making decisions of mind when one has never been there. Grown men do cry Christine. Those I witnessed to in less stressful situations than this young man, had but ONE DESIRE, they just wanted to go home, to have the nightmare end. I never met a man in the military, volunteer or draftee, that wanted to kill anyone. Place yourself at Gettysburg, you are in Picketts brigade, General Lee orders a frontal attack, Pickett questions the order. Lee tells him to mount a suicidal attack where thousands will die in twenty minutes. What do you do???? What would you have done???
"I don't know what I would have done." Those were my dad's words. He was describing to me the reprisals that the German army took after partizan butchered German prisoners. In response and under orders the army went into a town, rounded up the folks separating the men from the women, and shot the requisite number of males against a wall. My father described the wailing of the women. I saw the terror of it in his eyes. He wondered aloud what he would have done if he had been ordered on a firing squad. But he never got selected for that sort of duty. He told me, "They always knew which boys to pick for those jobs."
Having stood where Lee and his Generals stood, I often wondered what I would have done, being an expendable human being does make one think. Pickett knew it was wrong, he said so, the others were yes men and toadies that said nothing. Without question 3000 men stood up and walked to their death or wounding. Mind you, these were invaders, unwanted by the locals.
Too bad it has taken so much posting for others to understand your message on the military. I want to add to your remarks the following: From the eyes of a child until today, I have been around military, not just family members, but entire neighborhoods/communities. Wars, or conflicts, or whatever our criminal elected officials have called the latest "theater", have never been simple or easy to explain away. However, of all those men I have seen return from conflict, those returning now are the worst affected since WWII and, in someways, affected to a degree not previously seen. It matters not they went voluntarily or involuntarily, they didn't go for the prime purpose of killing other homosapiens. Matter of fact, many had the opinion that our modern day government was only interested in peace and would do everything possible to avoid war, including sending our troops to other countries for "policing". Perhaps that is difficult for those participating here to understand and perhaps you are so intelligent that you have never made a mistake choosing a job, picking friends, or in placing one foot before the other. However, I remember being a teenager and thinking I knew it all, that my parents were ignorant of what it took to be an adult, and that I had answers never before considered by another human being. I eventually discovered how wrong I was in that assumption, but was I unique? Not according to those I have known during my lifetime. It is easy for one to judge ... sitting in front of a computer monitor, chatting with unknown faces. It is informative when one is up close and personal. On the other hand, some people never quite see the full picture, that we share this earth with the diversity given us by God and hoped by HIM to be appreciated, respected and enjoyed. I marvel at each man or woman I see return from the hell holes we send them while they serve in the military. I also spend time visiting with them to try and determine just what they have gone through and what they have been told to do by their leaders and our criminal politicians. As a result, I pray for each one of them every day, no matter where or who they are or aren't. I never forget that those young men and women had NO part in their assignment or how to accomplish it. On the other hand, I also NEVER forget that every man and woman living and working in the U.S. today have a part in where our military are sent and what they are asked to do. Too many today understand perfectly what it takes them to get through each day, but have no clue as to what is expected of those we are told go to theater to protect us. Perhaps to understand better you could spend some time asking questions of those "volunteers" who serve. Try to get the answers for yourselves and not continually spend time killing the messenger here. I now pray for all of us, military and non-military, that we find a medium ground from which to work in concert to save this country. If not found, we won't survive, for the evildoers have other plans for us and our's.
Slit his throat? Glad you asked that. Generals TRUST NO ONE, not even their toadies. They are always surrounded by bodyguards. See if you recall this. Remember Gen. Norman Swartzkoff back at the very outset of this Middle east horror? If you do, you might recall a front page photo of Norman deplaning from his personal jet somewhere in theater. Hero General is going to shape up Middle East pronto. So what was odd about this excellent photo shoot for military propaganda????? The half dozen personal bodyguards were not regular army.
Nationalism caused Lee's men to move forward, while it's globalism that moves today's military. The times have indeed changed, for the worse.
If one looks at the record, hundreds of men were shot by both North and South for cowardice. In fact the Yankees placed men behind the line of charge to shoot any man going in the wrong direction. Its all there in the history books.
Begin with Obama and his similar slaughter of civilians with drone attacks.....set the example from the top down! " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Few care, read or pay attention to history, hence this country of uninformed (or ignorant) citizens who leave it to others for too many of the answers ... or trust their elected representatives to do what is best. What a mess we are in.
I don't know what the chimping is all about: the soldier did exactly what the zionist-jews sent him over there to do....I'm waiting to see if he'll be awarded the IDF Medal of Valor. I wonder if endless delegations of Israeli's will demand his release just like they do for Jonathan Pollard??
#2. To: All (#0)
Taliban give a somewhat different account (on the UnjustMedia.com site):
#3. To: randge (#1)
President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier as "tragic and shocking"
#4. To: Cynicom (#3)
Shoot a hundred grunts over there, teach them a lesson, yes sir.
#5. To: Phant2000 (#4)
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
Americans are short on memory and long at pointing fingers at others.
#7. To: Phant2000 (#4)
Bullshit. It isn't the grunts that deserve to be shot and taught "a lesson". It is the damned Zionist elites who work behind the sce
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#8. To: Phant2000 (#6)
#9. To: All (#7)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#10. To: Cynicom (#8)
Americans are stupid in not admitting they are brain washed and programmed.
#11. To: Cynicom (#8)
A few days ago I was admitted to the hospital for observation.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#12. To: Cynicom (#8)
Americans are stupid in not admitting they are brain washed and programmed.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#13. To: tom007 (#11)
#14. To: tom007 (#12)
Huh?
#15. To: Cynicom (#14)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#16. To: Cynicom (#5)
#17. To: christine (#16)
so, at what point does one become responsible for his own actions? imo. the truth is, there are monstrous sociopaths who just enjoy killing.
#18. To: tom007, Cynicom (#12)
Americans are stupid in not admitting they are brain washed and programmed.
#19. To: ambi, christine, Cynicom (#17)
so, at what point does one become responsible for his own actions? imo. the truth is, there are monstrous sociopaths who just enjoy killing.
#20. To: ambi (#17)
#21. To: ambi (#17)
#22. To: Original_Intent (#19)
#23. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
which news reports said left mostly women and children among the dead,
#24. To: Cynicom (#8)
#25. To: Tatarewicz, All (#0)
#26. To: christine (#22)
i disagree that a sociopath wouldn't turn himself in. what choice did he have?
#27. To: christine (#16)
i understand your anger at those who sent the soldiers to war to begin with, although these troops volunteered, they were not forced to enlist or drafted. so, at what point does one become responsible for his own actions? there's no defense of wanton violence and murders like this, imo. the truth is, there are monstrous sociopaths who just enjoy killing.
#28. To: Cynicom (#27)
(Edited)
What would you have done???
#29. To: randge (#28)
"I don't know what I would have done."
#30. To: Cynicom, christine (#27)
(Edited)
I never met a man in the military, volunteer or draftee, that wanted to kill anyone.
#31. To: Cynicom (#27)
General Lee orders a frontal attack, Pickett questions the order. Lee tells him to mount a suicidal attack where thousands will die in twenty minutes.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#32. To: tom007 (#31)
Slit his throat?
#33. To: All (#29)
#34. To: Jethro Tull, christine, Phant2000, randge (#33)
Nationalism caused Lee's men to move forward,
#35. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
we will hold any perpetrator who is responsible for this violence fully accountable under the law," said the defense secretary.
#36. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine, randge (#34)
Its all there in the history books.
#37. To: Tatarewicz, *The hook-nosed Jew* (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#38. To: Phant2000 (#30)
I was walking up to an office door some time back, past a guy who was standing there. He flinched & said 'DONT SNEAK UP ON ME LIKE THAT!' & then apologetically explained he had just got back from iraq. Truly unhinged as a result of his experience.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#39. To: Cynicom, 4um (#34)
Yes,
see the actions of the USSR in the "Great War." I read about such things, I
watch them on some of the few decent TV channels left, but that said, I think
we're going astray here. What this soldier did can't be confused with anything
but cold blooded murder. I know you aren't defending it, and I also believe
you're intentionally being prodded, so I suggest we all take a deep breath and
settle down. Most on 4um are on the same side of the political spectrum. Most
see what happened here as more an aberration than an everyday occurrence. No one
condones it and no one believes we should have a military presence in these god
forsaken nations. I get the chills thinking we're one comment or headline away
from another split. Let's agree to not let that happen given our commonality on
most issues. Its all there in the history books.
#40. To: Cynicom (#3)
We cannot have wars going on being waged privately. Shoot a hundred grunts over there, teach them a lesson, yes sir. You post runneth over with great sarcasm ;-) Americans in their self righteous indignation will scorn this monster.
-Alex Kurtagic
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