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Title: Obama: US soldier’s reported shooting rampage in Afghanistan ‘tragic and shocking’
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ ... FmLTZjMDA3NWI3MTcxMwRwb3MDMQRz
Published: Mar 11, 2012
Author: Olivier Knox | The Ticket
Post Date: 2012-03-11 20:55:52 by Tatarewicz
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Views: 1284
Comments: 109

President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier as "tragic and shocking" and assured Afghan President Hamid Karzai by telephone that the United States will "hold fully accountable anyone responsible" as the bloody incident plunged already deteriorating ties into a fresh crisis.

Obama called Karzai, who denounced the reported shooting rampage as an unforgivable "assassination," to make clear "his Administration's commitment to establish the facts as quickly as possible and to hold fully accountable anyone responsible," the White House said in a statement.

Obama expressed "his shock and sadness" to Karzai at the incident, which news reports said left mostly women and children among the dead, and "reaffirmed our deep respect for the Afghan people and the bonds between our two countries," the White House said.

Ahead of the call, Obama received a briefing on the incident from top aides including National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough, and Special Assistant to the President for Afghanistan and Pakistan Doug Lute, according to National Security Council deputy spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden.

Obama also issued a public statement saying he was "deeply saddened" by the reports and throwing his full support behind promises from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and General John Allen, who commands NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, for a full investigation. Allen said in a statement that the US service member alleged to have carried out the attack was in custody. The Associated Press reported that the suspect was from Fort Lewis, Wash.

"This incident is tragic and shocking, and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan. I fully support Secretary Panetta's and General Allen's commitment to get the facts as quickly as possible and to hold accountable anyone responsible," Obama said.

The shooting rampage immediately reignited a debate over whether to hasten the US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, where American-led forces are scheduled to hand over security to their hosts by the end of 2014. A new ABC News/Washington Post poll found US public sentiment against the war at near-record highs.

"I offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives, and to the people of Afghanistan, who have endured too much violence and suffering," said the president.

The tragedy came just days after Obama and Karzai spoke by video conference and agreed that tensions had "calmed" since the burning of Muslim holy books on a US base.

That incident had sparked violent protests in Afghanistan and the killing of six US service members at the hands of their Afghan counterparts. It also led Obama to apologize for the desecration of the Qurans in an attempt to quiet clashes that he said endangered US military and civilian personnel. Republican presidential candidates, notably Newt Gingrich, condemned the apology.

Panetta said in a statement that he had spoken to Karzai to offer "my deepest condolences" and that "a full investigation is already underway."

"I gave President Karzai my assurances that we will bring those responsible to justice. We will spare no effort in getting the facts as quickly as possible, and we will hold any perpetrator who is responsible for this violence fully accountable under the law," said the defense secretary.

"I condemn such violence and am shocked and saddened that a U.S. service member is alleged to be involved, clearly acting outside his chain of command," Panetta said.

Panetta said the United States remained "steadfast in our resolve to work hand in hand with our Afghan partners."

"I am fully committed to ensuring that our cooperation continues. It is essential to forging a more peaceful future for the citizens of both our nations," he added.

Allen, who heads the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), offered his "profound regret and deepest condolences" and promised "a rapid and thorough investigation" as well as medical care for those injured in the shooting.

"We will maintain custody of the U.S. service member alleged to have perpetrated this attack. And we will cooperate fully with local Afghan authorities as we ascertain all the facts," Allen said in a statement.

"This deeply appalling incident in no way represents the values of ISAF and coalition troops or the abiding respect we feel for the Afghan people. Nor does it impugn or diminish the spirit of cooperation and partnership we have worked so hard to foster with the Afghan National Security Forces," Allen said.

At a press conference last week, Obama had said that "the situation with the Quran burning concerns me. I think that it is an indication of the challenges in that environment, and it's an indication that now is the time for us to transition." He did not, however, say he would change his withdrawal timetable.

But calls to speed up the US draw-down could come from Afghanistan as well as from the American public, which has deeply soured on the conflict.

A narrow majority, 54 percent, of respondents in a new ABC News / Washington post poll say US troops should withdraw on time whether or not Afghan forces are self-sufficient.

And the survey -- which was conducted on Saturday, before the reported killing spree — found that 60 percent of Americans say the war has not been worth fighting. That's just four points shy of the record 64 percent who said the same thing one year ago.


Poster Comment:

Just an illustration of the tremendous tensions US grunts are undergoing in a country where they serve no American purpose and are totally unwanted. The incident may be "tragic and shocking...deeply appalling" but no more so than US presidents and members of Congress sending troops there to fight Israel's Afghan enemies just so these politicians could be assured of Jew money, manpower, media and voter support at election time. The bizarre situation in which US and other NATO troops find themselves in is well illustrated in Yahoo's "front page" photo of an (almost funny) sandbagged fortification with make-shift plywood paneling to deflect grenades: http://news.yahoo.com/

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

End it.

Today.

The day will never come as long as it's always "tomorrow," and we can't stay there forever.

randge  posted on  2012-03-11   21:24:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: randge (#1)

President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier as "tragic and shocking"

The least we can do is put the man the horrible grunt was working for up, on war charges????

Right?

Was this horrible monster over there on his own, free lancing?????

Drag his sorry ass before the world, show them what a real monster looks like. Maybe Obama can wangle another "peace prize" out of this?

Americans in their self righteous indignation will scorn this monster.

We cannot have wars going on being waged privately.

Shoot a hundred grunts over there, teach them a lesson, yes sir.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-11   22:59:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

Shoot a hundred grunts over there, teach them a lesson, yes sir.

Bullshit. It isn't the grunts that deserve to be shot and taught "a lesson". It is the damned Zionist elites who work behind the scenes that should be shot.

The actions of this American soldier is "tragic and shocking", but not for what he did. It is what we allowed to be created that caused the soldier to engage in a "tragic and shocking" act. How many more soldiers are we going to allow to go nuts over in that God forsaken Middle East before we realize what it is doing to our young?

Wake up America and rid our country of the slimy evildoing manipulators and all those who do their bidding, i.e., our POTUS, his administration and every last member of Congress, save perhaps Ron Paul.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-03-11   23:08:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Phant2000 (#4)

What??????

You trying to shift the blame for this off on people like Obama, who were not even there? How soon we forget, from Vietnam the "body count" each day.

Drag in bodies, get a ration of beer, maybe even a promotion to PFC.

All in civilian clothes??? Dont let that bother you. They are the enemy.

Americans are short on memory and long at pointing fingers at others.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-11   23:14:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#5)

i understand your anger at those who sent the soldiers to war to begin with, although these troops volunteered, they were not forced to enlist or drafted. so, at what point does one become responsible for his own actions? there's no defense of wanton violence and murders like this, imo. the truth is, there are monstrous sociopaths who just enjoy killing.

christine  posted on  2012-03-12   0:15:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#16)

i understand your anger at those who sent the soldiers to war to begin with, although these troops volunteered, they were not forced to enlist or drafted. so, at what point does one become responsible for his own actions? there's no defense of wanton violence and murders like this, imo. the truth is, there are monstrous sociopaths who just enjoy killing.

Christine...

Kill or be killed in wartime presents situations that are indeed unfathomable to people that have not been there. Explaining these situations are a thankless, pointless task, an impossible task as you see here.

I would be remiss if I did not at least raise the voice of caution in making decisions of mind when one has never been there. Grown men do cry Christine. Those I witnessed to in less stressful situations than this young man, had but ONE DESIRE, they just wanted to go home, to have the nightmare end.

I never met a man in the military, volunteer or draftee, that wanted to kill anyone.

Place yourself at Gettysburg, you are in Picketts brigade, General Lee orders a frontal attack, Pickett questions the order. Lee tells him to mount a suicidal attack where thousands will die in twenty minutes.

What do you do???? What would you have done???

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-12   9:13:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom, christine (#27) (Edited)

I never met a man in the military, volunteer or draftee, that wanted to kill anyone.

Too bad it has taken so much posting for others to understand your message on the military. I want to add to your remarks the following:

From the eyes of a child until today, I have been around military, not just family members, but entire neighborhoods/communities. Wars, or conflicts, or whatever our criminal elected officials have called the latest "theater", have never been simple or easy to explain away. However, of all those men I have seen return from conflict, those returning now are the worst affected since WWII and, in someways, affected to a degree not previously seen.

It matters not they went voluntarily or involuntarily, they didn't go for the prime purpose of killing other homosapiens. Matter of fact, many had the opinion that our modern day government was only interested in peace and would do everything possible to avoid war, including sending our troops to other countries for "policing".

Perhaps that is difficult for those participating here to understand and perhaps you are so intelligent that you have never made a mistake choosing a job, picking friends, or in placing one foot before the other. However, I remember being a teenager and thinking I knew it all, that my parents were ignorant of what it took to be an adult, and that I had answers never before considered by another human being. I eventually discovered how wrong I was in that assumption, but was I unique? Not according to those I have known during my lifetime.

It is easy for one to judge ... sitting in front of a computer monitor, chatting with unknown faces. It is informative when one is up close and personal. On the other hand, some people never quite see the full picture, that we share this earth with the diversity given us by God and hoped by HIM to be appreciated, respected and enjoyed.

I marvel at each man or woman I see return from the hell holes we send them while they serve in the military. I also spend time visiting with them to try and determine just what they have gone through and what they have been told to do by their leaders and our criminal politicians. As a result, I pray for each one of them every day, no matter where or who they are or aren't. I never forget that those young men and women had NO part in their assignment or how to accomplish it. On the other hand, I also NEVER forget that every man and woman living and working in the U.S. today have a part in where our military are sent and what they are asked to do.

Too many today understand perfectly what it takes them to get through each day, but have no clue as to what is expected of those we are told go to theater to protect us. Perhaps to understand better you could spend some time asking questions of those "volunteers" who serve. Try to get the answers for yourselves and not continually spend time killing the messenger here.

I now pray for all of us, military and non-military, that we find a medium ground from which to work in concert to save this country. If not found, we won't survive, for the evildoers have other plans for us and our's.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-03-12   10:01:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Phant2000 (#30) (Edited)

I also NEVER forget that every man and woman living and working in the U.S. today have a part in where our military are sent and what they are asked to do.

That's right. Our Military is not the property of any President or Congress either. It is our Military. Come home.

Try to get the answers for yourselves and not continually spend time killing the messenger here.

This allegation has morphed into supposed witnesses now claiming a group of drunken and laughing soldiers did this and burned the bodies. Does it even matter to anyone here if it isn't true? The objective is reprisals against our troops. Doesn't have to be true to get them killed and wounded and who would care? It's their own fault for not deserting is how it would be brushed off.

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-03-12   11:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: GreyLmist (#41)

This allegation has morphed into supposed witnesses now claiming a group of drunken and laughing soldiers did this and burned the bodies. Does it even matter to anyone here if it isn't true? The objective is reprisals against our troops. Doesn't have to be true to get them killed and wounded and who would care? It's their own fault for not deserting is how it would be brushed off.

I see you do well at reading between the lines. Because it does matter to me to get the truth behind any allegation, I called a friend at Camp Pendleton and he read part of an official report. So for now, and until told different, I accept that "official report", although there may well be some changes to even that as time goes on.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-03-12   11:32:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Phant2000 (#42)

Undoubtedly they made some report about it, since there are claims in the Media by supposed witnesses -- who apparently stood by and watched, even though it was said to be so dark that night vision equipment was taken along on the alleged rampage. Can you ask your friend at Camp Pendleton how America can have a Military that isn't sent out of our country? Can we even have a Military at all anymore to protect us?

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-03-12   11:41:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: GreyLmist (#44)

Can you ask your friend at Camp Pendleton how America can have a Military that isn't sent out of our country?

My friend, along with my nephew, cousins, etc. (all military), would tell you they don't want to be in that God forsaken place and prefer to be right here guarding our borders.

We, all of them, nor anyone on this forum are in their chain of command, other than we, all of them, and everyone on this forum putting the pressure on the freaks in D.C. to get them home NOW. Pressure can be in the form of votes, but everyone here knows what will work faster.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-03-12   15:37:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Phant2000 (#46)

putting the pressure on the freaks in D.C. to get them home NOW. Pressure can be in the form of votes, but everyone here knows what will work faster.

Maybe I'm out of the loop on that. What will work faster?

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-03-12   16:44:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000 (#48)

putting the pressure on the freaks in D.C. to get them home NOW. Pressure can be in the form of votes, but everyone here knows what will work faster.

Maybe I'm out of the loop on that. What will work faster?

I believe the order goes "Soap Box", "Ballot Box, "_______ Box".

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-03-12   16:51:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Original_Intent (#50)

I believe the order goes "Soap Box", "Ballot Box, "_______ Box".

Perfectly stated, but omitting "pine".

Phant2000  posted on  2012-03-12   17:15:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#61. To: Phant2000 (#57)

I believe the order goes "Soap Box", "Ballot Box, "_______ Box".

Perfectly stated, but omitting "pine".

Oooh! A fourth box. ;-)

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-03-12 17:26:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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