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Title: Obama: US soldier’s reported shooting rampage in Afghanistan ‘tragic and shocking’
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ ... FmLTZjMDA3NWI3MTcxMwRwb3MDMQRz
Published: Mar 11, 2012
Author: Olivier Knox | The Ticket
Post Date: 2012-03-11 20:55:52 by Tatarewicz
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President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier as "tragic and shocking" and assured Afghan President Hamid Karzai by telephone that the United States will "hold fully accountable anyone responsible" as the bloody incident plunged already deteriorating ties into a fresh crisis.

Obama called Karzai, who denounced the reported shooting rampage as an unforgivable "assassination," to make clear "his Administration's commitment to establish the facts as quickly as possible and to hold fully accountable anyone responsible," the White House said in a statement.

Obama expressed "his shock and sadness" to Karzai at the incident, which news reports said left mostly women and children among the dead, and "reaffirmed our deep respect for the Afghan people and the bonds between our two countries," the White House said.

Ahead of the call, Obama received a briefing on the incident from top aides including National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough, and Special Assistant to the President for Afghanistan and Pakistan Doug Lute, according to National Security Council deputy spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden.

Obama also issued a public statement saying he was "deeply saddened" by the reports and throwing his full support behind promises from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and General John Allen, who commands NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, for a full investigation. Allen said in a statement that the US service member alleged to have carried out the attack was in custody. The Associated Press reported that the suspect was from Fort Lewis, Wash.

"This incident is tragic and shocking, and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan. I fully support Secretary Panetta's and General Allen's commitment to get the facts as quickly as possible and to hold accountable anyone responsible," Obama said.

The shooting rampage immediately reignited a debate over whether to hasten the US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, where American-led forces are scheduled to hand over security to their hosts by the end of 2014. A new ABC News/Washington Post poll found US public sentiment against the war at near-record highs.

"I offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives, and to the people of Afghanistan, who have endured too much violence and suffering," said the president.

The tragedy came just days after Obama and Karzai spoke by video conference and agreed that tensions had "calmed" since the burning of Muslim holy books on a US base.

That incident had sparked violent protests in Afghanistan and the killing of six US service members at the hands of their Afghan counterparts. It also led Obama to apologize for the desecration of the Qurans in an attempt to quiet clashes that he said endangered US military and civilian personnel. Republican presidential candidates, notably Newt Gingrich, condemned the apology.

Panetta said in a statement that he had spoken to Karzai to offer "my deepest condolences" and that "a full investigation is already underway."

"I gave President Karzai my assurances that we will bring those responsible to justice. We will spare no effort in getting the facts as quickly as possible, and we will hold any perpetrator who is responsible for this violence fully accountable under the law," said the defense secretary.

"I condemn such violence and am shocked and saddened that a U.S. service member is alleged to be involved, clearly acting outside his chain of command," Panetta said.

Panetta said the United States remained "steadfast in our resolve to work hand in hand with our Afghan partners."

"I am fully committed to ensuring that our cooperation continues. It is essential to forging a more peaceful future for the citizens of both our nations," he added.

Allen, who heads the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), offered his "profound regret and deepest condolences" and promised "a rapid and thorough investigation" as well as medical care for those injured in the shooting.

"We will maintain custody of the U.S. service member alleged to have perpetrated this attack. And we will cooperate fully with local Afghan authorities as we ascertain all the facts," Allen said in a statement.

"This deeply appalling incident in no way represents the values of ISAF and coalition troops or the abiding respect we feel for the Afghan people. Nor does it impugn or diminish the spirit of cooperation and partnership we have worked so hard to foster with the Afghan National Security Forces," Allen said.

At a press conference last week, Obama had said that "the situation with the Quran burning concerns me. I think that it is an indication of the challenges in that environment, and it's an indication that now is the time for us to transition." He did not, however, say he would change his withdrawal timetable.

But calls to speed up the US draw-down could come from Afghanistan as well as from the American public, which has deeply soured on the conflict.

A narrow majority, 54 percent, of respondents in a new ABC News / Washington post poll say US troops should withdraw on time whether or not Afghan forces are self-sufficient.

And the survey -- which was conducted on Saturday, before the reported killing spree — found that 60 percent of Americans say the war has not been worth fighting. That's just four points shy of the record 64 percent who said the same thing one year ago.


Poster Comment:

Just an illustration of the tremendous tensions US grunts are undergoing in a country where they serve no American purpose and are totally unwanted. The incident may be "tragic and shocking...deeply appalling" but no more so than US presidents and members of Congress sending troops there to fight Israel's Afghan enemies just so these politicians could be assured of Jew money, manpower, media and voter support at election time. The bizarre situation in which US and other NATO troops find themselves in is well illustrated in Yahoo's "front page" photo of an (almost funny) sandbagged fortification with make-shift plywood paneling to deflect grenades: http://news.yahoo.com/

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

End it.

Today.

The day will never come as long as it's always "tomorrow," and we can't stay there forever.

randge  posted on  2012-03-11   21:24:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: randge (#1)

President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier as "tragic and shocking"

The least we can do is put the man the horrible grunt was working for up, on war charges????

Right?

Was this horrible monster over there on his own, free lancing?????

Drag his sorry ass before the world, show them what a real monster looks like. Maybe Obama can wangle another "peace prize" out of this?

Americans in their self righteous indignation will scorn this monster.

We cannot have wars going on being waged privately.

Shoot a hundred grunts over there, teach them a lesson, yes sir.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-11   22:59:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

Shoot a hundred grunts over there, teach them a lesson, yes sir.

Bullshit. It isn't the grunts that deserve to be shot and taught "a lesson". It is the damned Zionist elites who work behind the scenes that should be shot.

The actions of this American soldier is "tragic and shocking", but not for what he did. It is what we allowed to be created that caused the soldier to engage in a "tragic and shocking" act. How many more soldiers are we going to allow to go nuts over in that God forsaken Middle East before we realize what it is doing to our young?

Wake up America and rid our country of the slimy evildoing manipulators and all those who do their bidding, i.e., our POTUS, his administration and every last member of Congress, save perhaps Ron Paul.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-03-11   23:08:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Phant2000 (#4)

What??????

You trying to shift the blame for this off on people like Obama, who were not even there? How soon we forget, from Vietnam the "body count" each day.

Drag in bodies, get a ration of beer, maybe even a promotion to PFC.

All in civilian clothes??? Dont let that bother you. They are the enemy.

Americans are short on memory and long at pointing fingers at others.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-11   23:14:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#5)

i understand your anger at those who sent the soldiers to war to begin with, although these troops volunteered, they were not forced to enlist or drafted. so, at what point does one become responsible for his own actions? there's no defense of wanton violence and murders like this, imo. the truth is, there are monstrous sociopaths who just enjoy killing.

christine  posted on  2012-03-12   0:15:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#16)

i understand your anger at those who sent the soldiers to war to begin with, although these troops volunteered, they were not forced to enlist or drafted. so, at what point does one become responsible for his own actions? there's no defense of wanton violence and murders like this, imo. the truth is, there are monstrous sociopaths who just enjoy killing.

Christine...

Kill or be killed in wartime presents situations that are indeed unfathomable to people that have not been there. Explaining these situations are a thankless, pointless task, an impossible task as you see here.

I would be remiss if I did not at least raise the voice of caution in making decisions of mind when one has never been there. Grown men do cry Christine. Those I witnessed to in less stressful situations than this young man, had but ONE DESIRE, they just wanted to go home, to have the nightmare end.

I never met a man in the military, volunteer or draftee, that wanted to kill anyone.

Place yourself at Gettysburg, you are in Picketts brigade, General Lee orders a frontal attack, Pickett questions the order. Lee tells him to mount a suicidal attack where thousands will die in twenty minutes.

What do you do???? What would you have done???

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-12   9:13:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#27)

Place yourself at Gettysburg, you are in Picketts brigade, General Lee orders a frontal attack, Pickett questions the order. Lee tells him to mount a suicidal attack where thousands will die in twenty minutes.

What do you do???? What would you have done???

of course, i would do whatever i was told to do in that situation when it's kill or be killed, but, Cyni, this man was not ordered to do this. his life was not in danger. he went to the homes of innocent civilians and killed entire families in their sleep. it was not a defensive action. it was an offensive action. i suppose we could argue til the cows come home about what made him capable of doing such a thing, but my belief is that he was a deeply disturbed individual going into the military.

christine  posted on  2012-03-12   16:47:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: christine, Jethro Tull, Phant2000, randge, Esso (#49)

but my belief is that he was a deeply disturbed individual going into the military.

That we will never know.

Since Vietnam, the military has taken whatever they can get.

With that in mind, it makes Americans happy because their sons and grandsons are NOT subjected to military duty.

Tell you a story... In opening weeks of Korean thing, I VOLUNTEERED to kill people or get killed. Just what the government wanted. There were 713 of us that processed that day, 700 army 13 0f us air force. On that day I saw a doctor for about 30 seconds as I walked by him, he checked my heart.

He did not even initial my acceptance, a flunkie enlisted man sitting there did it for him. Next I passed by the desk of a shrink who asked this to see if I was mentally stable, his question, "Can you drive a truck".

To which I replied "no". He signed and I was in. All 713 of us passed that day Christine, every man was IN.

Fast forward four years, now it is my DISCHARGE physical. There are 18 of us there all day, with one doctor. At the end he hands every one their papers except me and asks me to stay because he wants to talk with me.

I was sure I had terminal beri beri or some such from the damned jungles.

I sat in front of his desk and he asked me this..."HOW IN HELL DID YOU EVER GET IN THE MILITARY"...

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-12   17:10:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Cynicom, All (#54)

Latest news is that the soldier was previously diagnosed with PTS. After two years, he was sent back into combat.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-03-12   19:34:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Phant2000, All (#74) (Edited)

Latest news is that the soldier was previously diagnosed with PTS.

I'm not surprised. Is anyone? Can't be in the business of empire building these days without a kickback for the Psych and Pharmaceuticals industries -- particularly not America, anyway. In other related news, Merkel told the German troops that a 2013-2014 pullout may be overly optimistic. No comparison to My Lai, said Obama unconvincingly, to taint and stress our troops Vietnam-style -- just a lone-nut gunman. Meanwhile, a public rep from Kandahar by the name of Lalai, whose name looks eerily similar, chanted "Down to America". More bloodshed being whooped up, delayed withdrawl to be expected, our troops demoralized and degraded as babykillers. Anti-American PsyOp Mission Accomplished. Oh, and don't ask how the guy hiked that far with fuel to destroy evidence. Just believe whatever is press released.

Edited for grammar.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-03-13   6:31:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: GreyLmist (#79)

I disbelieve any version of events that has not been subjected to forensic examination and argumentation in an open public forum.

I discard most of what I hear with prejudice, because I have learned that whatever you hear about a story, when you look closely, there is often something screwy. What have we learned from the Pat Tillman story or the fairy tales that were spun around the "capture" of Bin Ladin but that our government is content to weave a most convenient narrative around the most horrific of circumstances.

And, once more, we have a "lone nut" who will be hung out to dry. He's "all lawyered up" already and won't say a word. Does Timothy McVeigh come to mind? They are already talking about giving this guy the needle.

You have to listen the closest to those that don't have a dog in the fight. My government usually has the most to lose in these situations, and it's my government that I tend to disbelieve first, because its spokesman reach for the lie first. They do so reflexively and just on general principle.

The "laughing and drunken" part may be an embellishment by locals and would fit in with the propaganda line on the other side. However the allegation of multiple shooters and the question of how one guy lugs around enough chemicals or fuel in the dark to burn some bodies activates my bullshit filter.

. . . . Little is known about the soldier who committed the atrocities, including his name, but a U.S. official said he is married with three children, and served three separate tours in Iraq.

He was assigned to support a special operations unit of either Green Berets or Navy SEALs engaged in a village stability operation.

Such operations are among NATO's best hopes for transitioning out of Afghanistan, pairing special operations troops with villagers chosen by village elders to become essentially a sanctioned, armed neighbourhood watch. He has reportedly been stationed in Afghanistan since December. . . .

Neighbours said they had awoken to crackling gunfire from American soldiers, who they described as laughing and drunk. 'They were all drunk and shooting all over the place,' said Agha Lala, who visited one of the homes where killings took place. 'Their [the victims'] bodies were riddled with bullets.'

A senior U.S. defence official in Washington rejected witness accounts that several apparently drunk soldiers were involved. 'Based on the preliminary information we have this account is flatly wrong,' the official said. 'We believe one U.S. service member acted alone, not a group of U.S. soldiers.'

An AP photographer reported that he saw 15 bodies of Afghans - some of them burned and some covered with blankets - in the villages of Alkozai and Balandi in Kandahar province's Panjwai district.

One man told the AFP news agency of his great loss. ‘Eleven members of my family are dead. They are all dead,’ Haji Samad said.

'They [Americans] poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them,' a weeping Mr Samad told Reuters at the scene.

According to Al Jazeera, the soldier went into three separate houses at 3am local time when it was pitch black and shot the civilians, who were sleeping in their beds.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113410/US-soldier-kills-16- Afghan-civilians-deadly-shooting-rampage.html#ixzz1ozm1CtKu

So here you have a "village stability operation" and an "armed neighbourhood watch" in one of Afghanistan's premier DOPE GROWING regions. Who the hell knows what went down here?

As a measure of how quickly we forget reports of outrages and abuses from our imperial outposts, here's another story about BURNED BODIES that's worth reading.

October 20, 2005 Army Examining an Account of Abuse of 2 Dead Taliban By ERIC SCHMITT WASHINGTON, Oct. 19 - The Pentagon announced Wednesday night that the Army had started a criminal investigation into allegations that American soldiers in Afghanistan had burned the bodies of two dead Taliban fighters and then used the charred and smoking corpses in a propaganda campaign against the insurgents.

The events were shown on an Australian television program, broadcast there on Wednesday night, depicting what is described as an American psychological operations team broadcasting taunts over a loudspeaker toward a village thought to be harboring Taliban fighters and sympathizers, according to a transcript of the program. It was posted on the Web site of the Special Broadcasting Service, http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/. An American soldier, an Afghan soldier, and two Taliban had just been killed in fighting there, the transcript of the program said.

According to the program's translation of the taunts, which were delivered in the local language by American forces on the scene, a soldier identified as Sgt. Jim Baker, said: "You allowed your fighters to be laid down facing west and burned. You are too scared to come down and retrieve the bodies. This just proves you are the lady boys we always believed you to be."

After news agencies reported the broadcast, the Pentagon said such acts were forbidden and began the criminal investigation.

Several senior officials said preliminary indications suggested that the video and the program's translation were accurate, and that the incident posed the potential to do further harm in the Islamic world to the image of the United States, already badly tarnished by the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal.

The reference to the bodies "facing west" appeared to be a deliberate mocking of the Islamic requirement to face Mecca during prayers. The Muslim faith prohibits cremation and holds respect of the body of the dead as a central tenet.

The American soldiers told a freelance photojournalist who recorded the incident that they burned the bodies for hygienic reasons, he said in an interview in the studios of the SBS program "Dateline."

But human rights organizations said Wednesday that burning bodies was an act of desecration in the Islamic faith and a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

A statement issued by the Central Command said "desecration, abuse or inappropriate treatment of enemy combatants" were never condoned and that they would violate United States policy "as well as the Geneva Convention."

"This command takes all allegations of misconduct or inappropriate behavior seriously," Maj. Gen. Jason K. Kamiya, the American commander of daily tactical operations in Afghanistan, said in a separate statement issued by the Central Command. "If the allegation is substantiated, the appropriate course of action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and corrective action will be taken."

General Kamiya continued, "This command does not condone the mistreatment of enemy combatants or the desecration of their religious and cultural beliefs."

In the past, allegations of disrespect for Islam by American forces have sparked heated and even violent reactions in the Muslim world.

Pentagon and Bush administration officials said Wednesday night they were trying to determine details of the incident, which the program said happened earlier this month in Gonbaz, a village in southern Afghanistan about 60 miles from the former Taliban stronghold of Kandahar.

"Really bad news," said an administration official who follows Afghan issues closely.

"This is very serious," a senior military official said. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the pending investigation.

The program's video was taken by Stephen Dupont, a freelance Australian photojournalist who was embedded in the American unit to document its operations. Mr. Dupont's photographs from the region have been widely published.

In a separate interview posted on the network's Web site on Wednesday, Mr. Dupont said soldiers from an unidentified airborne unit appeared to believe they were doing the right thing in laying the corpses of the two dead Taliban toward Mecca, and then setting them on fire.

The video shows flames swirling around two charred corpses, their legs and arms outstretched, and a group of five American soldiers watching from a rocky ledge.

A spokesman for Mr. Dupont, Robert Pledge, said Wednesday night that the incident took place on Oct. 1, and involved soldiers from the First Battalion, 508th Infantry Regiment of the 173rd Airborne Brigade.

Mr. Dupont said the first group of soldiers told him, "We've been told to burn the bodies; the bodies have been here for 24 hours and they're starting to stink so, for hygiene reasons, this is what we've got to do."

But then Mr. Dupont said a second group of soldiers from a psychological operations unit intentionally used the burnt bodies as a propaganda tool. "They deliberately wanted to incite that much anger from the Taliban so the Taliban could attack them," Mr. Dupont said.

In the program, Sergeant Baker's taunt is heard first. Then a second soldier, who was not identified, chimes in singling out several mullahs by name: "Your time in Afghanistan is short. You attack and run away like women. You call yourself Talibs but you are a disgrace to the Muslim religion and you bring shame upon your family. Come and fight like men instead of the cowardly dogs you are."

In the interview with the producers, Mr. Dupont explained that the American soldiers had been trying to bait the Taliban fighters to shoot at them. "They want the Taliban to fight them because they can't find them otherwise."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/international/asia/20afghan.html? hp&ex=1129867200&en=ccd9c41e0b787f89&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Something always smells, and it ain't just the charred corpses.

randge  posted on  2012-03-13   8:28:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: randge (#82)

the incident posed the potential to do further harm in the Islamic world to the image of the United States,

And that's the objective -- along with more casualties, more War, more demoralization. Thanks for your input, randge. Psychological operations, no doubt and likely foreign-aligned agents -- as if our troops aren't instructed any better than that on Geneva Conventions. Other similar news in Iraq around the same time:

Antiwar Forum: Home Invasions Strike Fear North of Baghdad; 16 Killed Across Iraq -- not by Americans

Sunday: 16 Iraqis Killed, 14 Wounded

by Margaret Griffis, March 11, 2012

Gunmen staged a horrific attack north of Baghdad where they stormed the home of a bodyguard, killing five people. Unfortunately, it was not the only home invasion today. At least 11 more Iraqis were killed and 14 were wounded in other violence.

Five people were killed in Tarmiya when gunmen stormed a home, shooting an entire family before demolishing their home with explosives. The owner of the home worked as a bodyguard for the town’s mayor. The rest of the victims were his wife, sister and two daughters.

Gunmen stormed a home in Bab al-Khan. Three people were killed and three more were wounded. A child and two women were killed, while a girl and two men were wounded.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-03-13   9:38:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#86. To: GreyLmist (#85)

likely foreign-aligned agents

Iraq. Yes.

Abu Ghraib was another of those "foreign-aligned" operations, and like all of these capers, the objective is to stir the shit and to set the scene for further instability and mayhem.

If the locals won't come out and fight us, let's poke 'em with a pointy stick. After all, we're not here for the filafel.

randge  posted on  2012-03-13 09:46:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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