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Title: Obama: US soldier’s reported shooting rampage in Afghanistan ‘tragic and shocking’
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Published: Mar 11, 2012
Author: Olivier Knox | The Ticket
Post Date: 2012-03-11 20:55:52 by Tatarewicz
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President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier as "tragic and shocking" and assured Afghan President Hamid Karzai by telephone that the United States will "hold fully accountable anyone responsible" as the bloody incident plunged already deteriorating ties into a fresh crisis. Obama called Karzai, who denounced the reported shooting rampage as an unforgivable "assassination," to make clear "his Administration's commitment to establish the facts as quickly as possible and to hold fully accountable anyone responsible," the White House said in a statement. Obama expressed "his shock and sadness" to Karzai at the incident, which news reports said left mostly women and children among the dead, and "reaffirmed our deep respect for the Afghan people and the bonds between our two countries," the White House said. Ahead of the call, Obama received a briefing on the incident from top aides including National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough, and Special Assistant to the President for Afghanistan and Pakistan Doug Lute, according to National Security Council deputy spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden. Obama also issued a public statement saying he was "deeply saddened" by the reports and throwing his full support behind promises from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and General John Allen, who commands NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, for a full investigation. Allen said in a statement that the US service member alleged to have carried out the attack was in custody. The Associated Press reported that the suspect was from Fort Lewis, Wash. "This incident is tragic and shocking, and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan. I fully support Secretary Panetta's and General Allen's commitment to get the facts as quickly as possible and to hold accountable anyone responsible," Obama said. The shooting rampage immediately reignited a debate over whether to hasten the US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, where American-led forces are scheduled to hand over security to their hosts by the end of 2014. A new ABC News/Washington Post poll found US public sentiment against the war at near-record highs. "I offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives, and to the people of Afghanistan, who have endured too much violence and suffering," said the president. The tragedy came just days after Obama and Karzai spoke by video conference and agreed that tensions had "calmed" since the burning of Muslim holy books on a US base. That incident had sparked violent protests in Afghanistan and the killing of six US service members at the hands of their Afghan counterparts. It also led Obama to apologize for the desecration of the Qurans in an attempt to quiet clashes that he said endangered US military and civilian personnel. Republican presidential candidates, notably Newt Gingrich, condemned the apology. Panetta said in a statement that he had spoken to Karzai to offer "my deepest condolences" and that "a full investigation is already underway." "I gave President Karzai my assurances that we will bring those responsible to justice. We will spare no effort in getting the facts as quickly as possible, and we will hold any perpetrator who is responsible for this violence fully accountable under the law," said the defense secretary. "I condemn such violence and am shocked and saddened that a U.S. service member is alleged to be involved, clearly acting outside his chain of command," Panetta said. Panetta said the United States remained "steadfast in our resolve to work hand in hand with our Afghan partners." "I am fully committed to ensuring that our cooperation continues. It is essential to forging a more peaceful future for the citizens of both our nations," he added. Allen, who heads the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), offered his "profound regret and deepest condolences" and promised "a rapid and thorough investigation" as well as medical care for those injured in the shooting. "We will maintain custody of the U.S. service member alleged to have perpetrated this attack. And we will cooperate fully with local Afghan authorities as we ascertain all the facts," Allen said in a statement. "This deeply appalling incident in no way represents the values of ISAF and coalition troops or the abiding respect we feel for the Afghan people. Nor does it impugn or diminish the spirit of cooperation and partnership we have worked so hard to foster with the Afghan National Security Forces," Allen said. At a press conference last week, Obama had said that "the situation with the Quran burning concerns me. I think that it is an indication of the challenges in that environment, and it's an indication that now is the time for us to transition." He did not, however, say he would change his withdrawal timetable. But calls to speed up the US draw-down could come from Afghanistan as well as from the American public, which has deeply soured on the conflict. A narrow majority, 54 percent, of respondents in a new ABC News / Washington post poll say US troops should withdraw on time whether or not Afghan forces are self-sufficient. And the survey -- which was conducted on Saturday, before the reported killing spree — found that 60 percent of Americans say the war has not been worth fighting. That's just four points shy of the record 64 percent who said the same thing one year ago. Poster Comment: Just an illustration of the tremendous tensions US grunts are undergoing in a country where they serve no American purpose and are totally unwanted. The incident may be "tragic and shocking...deeply appalling" but no more so than US presidents and members of Congress sending troops there to fight Israel's Afghan enemies just so these politicians could be assured of Jew money, manpower, media and voter support at election time. The bizarre situation in which US and other NATO troops find themselves in is well illustrated in Yahoo's "front page" photo of an (almost funny) sandbagged fortification with make-shift plywood paneling to deflect grenades: http://news.yahoo.com/
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#70. To: Cynicom, 4um (#68)
The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces and controls working in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying immediately and disastrously. There is no such thing as a gliding helicopter. This is why being a helicopter pilot is so different from being an airplane pilot and why, in general, airplane pilots are open, clear eyed, buoyant extroverts, and helicopter pilots are brooders, introspective anticipators of trouble. They know that if something bad has not happened, it is about to. Harry Reasoner, February 16, 1971 Wanna take a wild guess as to who the "brooding, introspective anticipator of trouble" in my family is? People that fly helio poppers need to undergo regular saliva tests. They aint quite right, know what I mean????
Well, that's all ancient history now, OM. After 9-11, I took the Glock out of my flight bag, threw the bag & logbook up in the attic, and haven't flown since. I knew that day that I'd never be allowed near an airport without having my rights violated. I don't even miss it much anymore.
uhhhhh....that's a difficult one. ;)
Latest news is that the soldier was previously diagnosed with PTS. After two years, he was sent back into combat.
The soldier regained his ability to march while shouldering a rifle. Off topic, but that last post brought this to mind. I have a brass & wood plaque with this inscription around here somewhere...
ABC Evening News during the Viet Nam War
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#71. To: Esso (#70)
#72. To: Cynicom (#71)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#73. To: Esso (#70)
Wanna take a wild guess as to who the "brooding, introspective anticipator of trouble" in my family is?
#74. To: Cynicom, All (#54)
#75. To: Phant2000 (#74)
diagnosed with PTS. After two years, he was sent back into combat.
-Alex Kurtagic
#76. To: Phant2000 (#74)
That is all a charade made up by grunt enlisted men to obtain a disability pension. We are all wise to that ruse, no extenuating circumstances here. My friend was a Major, did three deployments there, they offered him Lt.Col if he would go one more time. He refused, he just could not take it anymore. The military derides anyone that says they cannot stand any more stress, they are called malingerers and flagged and booted from the service..WITH NOTHING. diagnosed with PTS
#77. To: Cynicom (#76)
We are all wise to that ruse, no extenuating circumstances here. I well know both sides of that coin. Had this soldier attempted to play that ruse out, he would have been kicked out. I see that tongue of your's in your cheek, Cyni. You can't BS an old bullshitter! That is all a charade made up by grunt enlisted men to obtain a disability pension.
#78. To: Phant2000 (#77)
Seems now this soldier underwent brain injury during a previous "all expense paid tour of Afghanistan"... Doctors will be sweating, hoping they were not the ones that said he was "fit for service".
#79. To: Phant2000, All (#74) (Edited)
I'm not surprised. Is anyone? Can't be in the business of empire building these days without a kickback for the Psych and Pharmaceuticals industries -- particularly not America, anyway. In other related news, Merkel told the German troops that a 2013-2014 pullout may be overly optimistic. No comparison to My Lai, said Obama unconvincingly, to taint and stress our troops Vietnam-style -- just a lone-nut gunman. Meanwhile, a public rep from Kandahar by the name of Lalai, whose name looks eerily similar, chanted "Down to America". More bloodshed being whooped up, delayed withdrawl to be expected, our troops demoralized and degraded as babykillers. Anti-American PsyOp Mission Accomplished. Oh, and don't ask how the guy hiked that far with fuel to destroy evidence. Just believe whatever is press released. Edited for grammar. Latest news is that the soldier was previously diagnosed with PTS.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#80. To: GreyLmist (#79)
Excellent point. We all accuse the press of dishonesty when it suits our agenda then will believe anything printed when it fits our complaint. Not only is that hypocritical, but also complicit. ... don't ask how the guy hiked that far with fuel to destroy evidence. Just believe whatever is press released.
#81. To: Phant2000 (#80) (Edited)
I suspect this may have been staged as a punishment for not attacking Iran and Syria when prodded to do that. Edited for grammar.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#82. To: GreyLmist (#79)
I disbelieve any version of events that has not been subjected to forensic examination and argumentation in an open public forum. I discard most of what I hear with prejudice, because I have learned that whatever you hear about a story, when you look closely, there is often something screwy. What have we learned from the Pat Tillman story or the fairy tales that were spun around the "capture" of Bin Ladin but that our government is content to weave a most convenient narrative around the most horrific of circumstances. And, once more, we have a "lone nut" who will be hung out to dry. He's "all lawyered up" already and won't say a word. Does Timothy McVeigh come to mind? They are already talking about giving this guy the needle. You have to listen the closest to those that don't have a dog in the fight. My government usually has the most to lose in these situations, and it's my government that I tend to disbelieve first, because its spokesman reach for the lie first. They do so reflexively and just on general principle. The "laughing and drunken" part may be an embellishment by locals and would fit in with the propaganda line on the other side. However the allegation of multiple shooters and the question of how one guy lugs around enough chemicals or fuel in the dark to burn some bodies activates my bullshit filter. He was assigned to support a special operations unit of either Green Berets or Navy SEALs engaged in a village stability operation. Such operations are among NATO's best hopes for transitioning out of Afghanistan, pairing special operations troops with villagers chosen by village elders to become essentially a sanctioned, armed neighbourhood watch. He has reportedly been stationed in Afghanistan since December. . . . Neighbours said they had awoken to crackling gunfire from American soldiers, who they described as laughing and drunk. 'They were all drunk and shooting all over the place,' said Agha Lala, who visited one of the homes where killings took place. 'Their [the victims'] bodies were riddled with bullets.' A senior U.S. defence official in Washington rejected witness accounts that several apparently drunk soldiers were involved. 'Based on the preliminary information we have this account is flatly wrong,' the official said. 'We believe one U.S. service member acted alone, not a group of U.S. soldiers.' An AP photographer reported that he saw 15 bodies of Afghans - some of them burned and some covered with blankets - in the villages of Alkozai and Balandi in Kandahar province's Panjwai district. One man told the AFP news agency of his great loss. ‘Eleven members of my family are dead. They are all dead,’ Haji Samad said. 'They [Americans] poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them,' a weeping Mr Samad told Reuters at the scene. According to Al Jazeera, the soldier went into three separate houses at 3am local time when it was pitch black and shot the civilians, who were sleeping in their beds. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113410/US-soldier-kills-16- Afghan-civilians-deadly-shooting-rampage.html#ixzz1ozm1CtKu So here you have a "village stability operation" and an "armed neighbourhood watch" in one of Afghanistan's premier DOPE GROWING regions. Who the hell knows what went down here? As a measure of how quickly we forget reports of outrages and abuses from our imperial outposts, here's another story about BURNED BODIES that's worth reading. The events were shown on an Australian television program, broadcast there on Wednesday night, depicting what is described as an American psychological operations team broadcasting taunts over a loudspeaker toward a village thought to be harboring Taliban fighters and sympathizers, according to a transcript of the program. It was posted on the Web site of the Special Broadcasting Service, http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/. An American soldier, an Afghan soldier, and two Taliban had just been killed in fighting there, the transcript of the program said. According to the program's translation of the taunts, which were delivered in the local language by American forces on the scene, a soldier identified as Sgt. Jim Baker, said: "You allowed your fighters to be laid down facing west and burned. You are too scared to come down and retrieve the bodies. This just proves you are the lady boys we always believed you to be." After news agencies reported the broadcast, the Pentagon said such acts were forbidden and began the criminal investigation. Several senior officials said preliminary indications suggested that the video and the program's translation were accurate, and that the incident posed the potential to do further harm in the Islamic world to the image of the United States, already badly tarnished by the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal. The reference to the bodies "facing west" appeared to be a deliberate mocking of the Islamic requirement to face Mecca during prayers. The Muslim faith prohibits cremation and holds respect of the body of the dead as a central tenet. The American soldiers told a freelance photojournalist who recorded the incident that they burned the bodies for hygienic reasons, he said in an interview in the studios of the SBS program "Dateline." But human rights organizations said Wednesday that burning bodies was an act of desecration in the Islamic faith and a violation of the Geneva Conventions. A statement issued by the Central Command said "desecration, abuse or inappropriate treatment of enemy combatants" were never condoned and that they would violate United States policy "as well as the Geneva Convention." "This command takes all allegations of misconduct or inappropriate behavior seriously," Maj. Gen. Jason K. Kamiya, the American commander of daily tactical operations in Afghanistan, said in a separate statement issued by the Central Command. "If the allegation is substantiated, the appropriate course of action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and corrective action will be taken." General Kamiya continued, "This command does not condone the mistreatment of enemy combatants or the desecration of their religious and cultural beliefs." In the past, allegations of disrespect for Islam by American forces have sparked heated and even violent reactions in the Muslim world. Pentagon and Bush administration officials said Wednesday night they were trying to determine details of the incident, which the program said happened earlier this month in Gonbaz, a village in southern Afghanistan about 60 miles from the former Taliban stronghold of Kandahar. "Really bad news," said an administration official who follows Afghan issues closely. "This is very serious," a senior military official said. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the pending investigation. The program's video was taken by Stephen Dupont, a freelance Australian photojournalist who was embedded in the American unit to document its operations. Mr. Dupont's photographs from the region have been widely published. In a separate interview posted on the network's Web site on Wednesday, Mr. Dupont said soldiers from an unidentified airborne unit appeared to believe they were doing the right thing in laying the corpses of the two dead Taliban toward Mecca, and then setting them on fire. The video shows flames swirling around two charred corpses, their legs and arms outstretched, and a group of five American soldiers watching from a rocky ledge. A spokesman for Mr. Dupont, Robert Pledge, said Wednesday night that the incident took place on Oct. 1, and involved soldiers from the First Battalion, 508th Infantry Regiment of the 173rd Airborne Brigade. Mr. Dupont said the first group of soldiers told him, "We've been told to burn the bodies; the bodies have been here for 24 hours and they're starting to stink so, for hygiene reasons, this is what we've got to do." But then Mr. Dupont said a second group of soldiers from a psychological operations unit intentionally used the burnt bodies as a propaganda tool. "They deliberately wanted to incite that much anger from the Taliban so the Taliban could attack them," Mr. Dupont said. In the program, Sergeant Baker's taunt is heard first. Then a second soldier, who was not identified, chimes in singling out several mullahs by name: "Your time in Afghanistan is short. You attack and run away like women. You call yourself Talibs but you are a disgrace to the Muslim religion and you bring shame upon your family. Come and fight like men instead of the cowardly dogs you are." In the interview with the producers, Mr. Dupont explained that the American soldiers had been trying to bait the Taliban fighters to shoot at them. "They want the Taliban to fight them because they can't find them otherwise." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/international/asia/20afghan.html? hp&ex=1129867200&en=ccd9c41e0b787f89&ei=5094&partner=homepage . . . . Little is known about the soldier who committed the atrocities, including his name, but a U.S. official said he is married with three children, and served three separate tours in Iraq.
October 20, 2005 Army Examining an Account of Abuse of 2 Dead Taliban By ERIC SCHMITT WASHINGTON, Oct. 19 - The Pentagon announced Wednesday night that the Army had started a criminal investigation into allegations that American soldiers in Afghanistan had burned the bodies of two dead Taliban fighters and then used the charred and smoking corpses in a propaganda campaign against the insurgents.
Something always smells, and it ain't just the charred corpses.
#83. To: randge, Phant2000 (#82)
Something always smells, and it ain't just the charred corpses. Good heavens... People will be suspecting you of being a...CYNIC... This is one of those stories that after reading, you want to wash your hands and down a slug of Olde Jack before you try to sort the horseshit from the feathers. and it's my government that I tend to disbelieve first, because its spokesman reach for the lie first. They do so reflexively and just on general principle.
#84. To: Cynicom (#83)
I have applied for lifetime membership to the Society for Pathological Cynicism and Professional Skeptics and will be asking you for a Letter of Recommendation shortly. I will forward a copy of my bona fides on request. - r.
#85. To: randge (#82)
And that's the objective -- along with more casualties, more War, more demoralization. Thanks for your input, randge. Psychological operations, no doubt and likely foreign-aligned agents -- as if our troops aren't instructed any better than that on Geneva Conventions. Other similar news in Iraq around the same time: Antiwar Forum: Home Invasions Strike Fear North of Baghdad; 16 Killed Across Iraq -- not by Americans Sunday: 16 Iraqis Killed, 14 Wounded by Margaret Griffis, March 11, 2012 Five people were killed in Tarmiya when gunmen stormed a home, shooting an entire family before demolishing their home with explosives. The owner of the home worked as a bodyguard for the town’s mayor. The rest of the victims were his wife, sister and two daughters. Gunmen stormed a home in Bab al-Khan. Three people were killed and three more were wounded. A child and two women were killed, while a girl and two men were wounded.the incident posed the potential to do further harm in the Islamic world to the image of the United States,
Gunmen staged a horrific attack north of Baghdad where they stormed the home of a bodyguard, killing five people. Unfortunately, it was not the only home invasion today. At least 11 more Iraqis were killed and 14 were wounded in other violence.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#86. To: GreyLmist (#85)
Iraq. Yes. Abu Ghraib was another of those "foreign-aligned" operations, and like all of these capers, the objective is to stir the shit and to set the scene for further instability and mayhem. If the locals won't come out and fight us, let's poke 'em with a pointy stick. After all, we're not here for the filafel. likely foreign-aligned agents
#87. To: randge, All (#82)
veteranstoday.com - Sixteen Dead, Nameless “Lone Gunman,” We Have Heard It All Before: http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp- content/uploads/2012/03/965-iunJ6.St_.55-e1331600207510.jpg The caption says: "An intense fuel source was used here" But the evidence says otherwise -- little to no smoke damage; more like some ashes from a fireplace and some wine were put there. How many hours would a body have to burn in that house to be reduced to those ashes? -- how much smoke, even though the interior looks so white? What kind of Military "leadership" doesn't even ask basic questions like that, just kicks it all to the Medical Industrial Complex for their revenuers, knowing that our Troops are being revenge-targeted for death? Not Military leadership at all, imo, but Foreign Mole Infiltraitors. Something always smells, and it ain't just the charred corpses.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#88. To: randge (#86)
Yes. Who has such utter disregard for the lives of others, even our Troops? People at War with God's Creation. Abu Ghraib was another of those "foreign-aligned" operations, and like all of these capers, the objective is to stir the shit and to set the scene for further instability and mayhem.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#89. To: GreyLmist (#87)
"Then there is the unasked question, how 97% of the world’s heroin supply is flown out of American held territory, tacitly with the approval of Richard Holbrooke and now, who approves, who cashes the checks, who loads the planes? By these standards, my friend and I were rank amateurs at war it seems." www.veteranstoday.com/wp- content/uploads/2012/03/965-iunJ6.St_.55-e1331600207510.jpg
#90. To: Phant2000 (#4)
The soldiers that go nuts over in the Middle East will come home, become cops and go nuts on civilians in America because they've been drugged and conditioned to maim and murder. They'll be recognized as "heros" who are simply doing their "jobs." How many more soldiers are we going to allow to go nuts over in that God forsaken Middle East
#91. To: randge (#89) (Edited)
Link for the above: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/11/murder- in-afghanistan-the-coverup-begins/ Yes. And Mike Rivero asked some good questions, too, on this article at antiwar.com: Sen. Graham: Massacre of Civilians Doesn’t Mean Afghan War Strategy Flawed 'These Things Happen,' Hawkish Senator Insists by Jason Ditz, March 11, 2012 Mike Rivero: [T]hese statements on the part of Senator Graham indicate that he has either gone foaming at the mouth, barking mad, or is very, very heavily invested in the military contractors making billions by providing mercenaries, supplies, and logistics. I would suspect the latter. [sic] Perhaps, if he is heavily financially invested in military contractors, he would like to see this war go on indefinitely, no matter how many more of our military, or Afghan citizens either die, or get maimed for life. To people like Graham, they are simply "collateral damage", and not to get in the way of his profits. Me: End the War now. No more War Profiteers in our branches of Government. Edited for spacing. "Then there is the unasked question, how 97% of the world’s heroin supply is flown out of American held territory, tacitly with the approval of Richard Holbrooke and now, who approves, who cashes the checks, who loads the planes? By these standards, my friend and I were rank amateurs at war it seems."
Graham went on to say that the key to the war was to make a public commitment to keep occupation forces in the country beyond 2014, saying that a continued military presence would “make sure the Taliban never come back.”
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#92. To: sizzlerguy (#90)
Gosh, how did we ever get through so many Wars in our history without being petrified by such fears? The soldiers that go nuts over in the Middle East will come home, become cops and go nuts on civilians in America because they've been drugged and conditioned to maim and murder.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#93. To: sizzlerguy (#90)
Horse feathers! The soldiers that go nuts over in the Middle East will come home, become cops and go nuts on civilians in America ...
#94. To: Phant2000 (#93)
Heck, I don't know what it's like in your town, but in mine, the high ranking cops are all military minded and have the mentality of terrorists and appear to percieve civilians as their enemy.
#95. To: sizzlerguy (#94)
And let's not forget that police officers are civilians and that police departments are civilian entities. and appear to percieve civilians as their enemy
A people that would and could throw the bums out in the voting booth never has to. - Prefrontal Vortex
#96. To: randge (#95)
The pigs are part of the "establishment." They consider themselves "better" than the average civilian, and are just one piece of the "municipal" system comprised of all local, county, state and federal government municipal entities. Those pigs have teamed up with other "municipal" entities , such as the corrupt medical establishment, corrupt politicians, fire department paramedics, organized religious zealots, and those "robots" they reward and/or blackmail to participate, their municipal employees, operatives, informants, brainwashed mental patients, drug dealers and drug addicts to entrap and enslave us all. Watch and see. When National Healthcare take affect, the pigs will be dragging civilians into hospitals for mental health "evaluations," and their "agents," the foreign doctors will drug anyone and everyone to oblivion who they consider a threat to their cozy corrupt alliances with all of the above.
#97. To: randge (#95)
Even Federal police can and do walk away ANYTIME THEY DESIRE. Therein lies the difference between military and civilian "pigs". I have seen what happens in the military to people that walk away because their conscience dictates. And let's not forget that police officers are civilians and that police departments are civilian entities.
#98. To: sizzlerguy (#96)
Ohio Votes to Nullify Insurance Mandates You might want to get a similar initiative on the ballot in your State. What is it you're trying to say, though? Our Troops should never come home? Replace our Military with a Star Wars system so you won't worry so much? -- even though lots of our Vets are unemployed and homeless, not working for a Police State.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#99. To: GreyLmist (#98)
The military shouldn't be drugging our soldiers to behave like inhuman killing "machines." One the soldiers are transformed into military robotic killer machines, that killer instinct can't be turned off and they are loose cannons with short fuses which will inevitably be unleashed on the civilian population, regardless of their future profession. What is it you're trying to say
#100. To: Cynicom (#97)
Gotcha. Therein lies the difference between military and civilian "pigs".
#101. To: Jethro Tull (#100)
Jethro... I greatly dislike a blanket call of all police and military as "pigs". We all dislike "authority", particularly from the state. Society however has to protect itself from those that abuse and destroy. During your career I suspect you did or saw others that risked their own lives in some manner because it was right and proper. Pigs all? No.
#102. To: sizzlerguy (#99)
No, our Military should not be drugged but Big Pharma has many people drugged from childhood before they even get to the Military or other occupations. I'm still wondering if what you are trying not to say is that our Military should never come home or that you would prefer it to be replaced by a Star Wars system or what.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#103. To: GreyLmist (#102)
I really don't have the answer as the permanent damage to the minds of many in the military and civilian population has been inflicted. If someone could invent a time machine, all these human atrocities caused by Big Pharma drugs could be avoided.
#104. To: Cynicom (#101)
By the end of the 60s, I was so used to being called a pig, I thought it was my god given name once I had a few belts of Johnny Walker Black in me :)
#105. To: Jethro Tull (#104)
And all this time I thought "pigs" were loose women!!!
#106. To: Jethro Tull, Phant2000 (#104)
In the 1960s a friend of mine was a local NY State trooper. Beer drinking Irishman. After arrival of LBJ, things were getting out of hand. Mike told me one day, "we are in trouble". Seems he had been driving thru local small town, saw a young boy on the sidewalk, waved to the boy and the boy gave Mike the finger. He took the kid home told the Mother what the kid had done and she told him, " you mind your own business and stop picking on my little boy or I will report you"...
#107. To: Cynicom (#106)
I remember the times well. The evildoers were plotting our future and we fell for it, hook, line and sinker. In the 1960s a friend of mine was a local NY State trooper.
#108. To: Phant2000, Jethro Tull, Christine, randge, noone222 (#107)
It was a time of awakening for many of us. There was a nagging feeling that "things" were not right, that there was something afoot that we neither saw nor understood. It was then I became aware there was a thread that ran thru this government that spanned time and generations, a thread of evil spun by men of evil. This unseen thread has now carried the Fed Res for 100 years thru our history as a blood sucking creature, created by man, entwined with this thread are wars and endless wars for profit, on and on. Our education system has been devoured, freedom is gone. And yet people believe this just started a few days ago. I remember the times well.
#109. To: Cynicom (#108)
The "TRILLIONS" recently introduced into the international banking community [cabal] dwarfs the general military budget of the world and is likely in the process of funding the materials and weaponery necessary for instituting the GENERAL INTERNATIONAL POPULATION REDUCTION PROGRAMS longed for by the scumbags for millenia.
"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."
Mahatma Gandhi
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