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Title: Long-Planned Visit Lands Panetta in Tense Afghanistan
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/w ... ollowing-massacre.html?_r=2&hp
Published: Mar 14, 2012
Author: Elisabeth Bumiller
Post Date: 2012-03-14 11:08:55 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 279
Comments: 38

CAMP LEATHERNECK, Afghanistan — Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta landed here Wednesday morning for an unannounced and tense visit, the first by a senior member of the Obama administration since an American soldier reportedly killed 16 Afghan civilians, mostly children and women.

The two-day visit was planned months ago, but it has taken on a new urgency since an American staff sergeant slipped out of a military base in the southern province of Kandahar on Sunday and, according to villagers and senior defense officials, went door to door in nearby villages, shooting civilians.

“We will be challenged by our enemies, we will be challenged by ourselves, we will be challenged by the hell of war itself,” Mr. Panetta told some 200 Marines, Afghan security officers and troops from other coalition nations at this vast military base in the desert of Helmand Province, abutting Kandahar. Early in the day, a roadside bomb struck a minivan in Helmand at about 1 a.m., destroying the vehicle and killing eight civilians.

In a sign of the nervousness surrounding Mr. Panetta’s trip, the Marines and other troops who were waiting in a tent for the defense secretary to speak were abruptly asked by their commander to get up, place their weapons — M-16 and M-4 automatic rifles and 9-mm pistols — outside the tent and then return unarmed. The commander, Sgt. Maj. Brandon Hall, told reporters he was acting on orders from superiors.

“All I know is, I was told to get the weapons out,” he said. Asked why, he replied, “Somebody got itchy, that’s all I’ve got to say. Somebody got itchy; we just adjust.”

Normally, American forces in Afghanistan keep their weapons with them when the defense secretary visits and speaks to them. The Afghans in the tent waiting for Mr. Panetta were not armed to begin with, as is typical.

Later, American officials said that the top commander in Helmand, Maj. Gen. Mark Gurganus, had decided on Tuesday that no one would be armed while Mr. Panetta spoke to them, but the word did not reach those in charge in the tent until shortly before Mr. Panetta was due to arrive.

General Gurganus told reporters later that he wanted a consistent policy for everyone in the tent. “You’ve got one of the most important people in the world in the room,” he said. He insisted that his decision had nothing to do with the shooting on Sunday. “This is not a big deal,” he said.

Mr. Panetta, like President Obama, has denounced the killings and vowed to bring the killer to justice, a message he is to deliver in person to President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan and top Afghan defense and interior officials while he is in Afghanistan. The killings have further clouded Afghan-American relations, which were already strained.

American commanders said that Helmand was relatively quiet after the killings, unlike Panjwai, the district in Kandahar where the rampage occurred. Militants there attacked a memorial service for the 16 victims on Tuesday when an Afghan government delegation was present, firing machine guns and assault rifles from their motorcycles and killing at least one Afghan soldier; a motorcycle bomb went off Wednesday near where the same delegation was staying in Kandahar city, killing a security officer.

Later on Wednesday, Mr. Panetta flew to a remote military base in western Helmand, Combat Outpost Shukvani, where American Marines fight alongside troops from Georgia, the former Soviet republic. The battalion commander of the 750 Georgian troops, Lt. Col. Alex Tugushi, lost both legs in a homemade bomb explosion in December; he is recovering at Bethesda Naval Hospital near Washington, where President Obama has visited him.

Mr. Panetta read a letter to the Georgians from Colonel Tugushi that said in part: “Unfortunately, I could not complete my service with you. But I am proud of all of you — those who have fallen and those who continue to serve. You are all heroes who will go down in Georgian history.”

Mr. Panetta told the troops in Helmand that the rampage on Sunday will not change the administration’s plans to withdraw 23,000 American troops from the country by the end of the summer and the remaining 68,000 by the end of 2014, although some could remain longer if the Afghans and Americas negotiate a long-term agreement.

Mr. Panetta told reporters on his plane on Monday that the killings in Panjwai were a horrific part of the decade-old conflict in Afghanistan.

“War is hell,” he said. “These kinds of events and incidents are going to take place, they’ve taken place in any war, they’re terrible events, and this is not the first of those events, and it probably will not be the last.” He added: “But we cannot allow these events to undermine our strategy.”

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#6. To: christine (#0)

“All I know is, I was told to get the weapons out,” he said. Asked why, he replied, “Somebody got itchy, that’s all I’ve got to say. Somebody got itchy; we just adjust.”

Normally, American forces in Afghanistan keep their weapons with them when the defense secretary visits and speaks to them. The Afghans in the tent waiting for Mr. Panetta were not armed to begin with, as is typical.

The men that wear the stars and titles are RUNNING SCARED.

Scared of the grunts that have LONG SAID LETS GO HOME.

How I love this.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-14   12:27:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#6)

We're at the same point that the Soviet troops were in 1986, only we're more determined to leave under "honorable" circumstances and we've got a big enough pile of bodybags to fill in order to let us leave under our own terms.

X-15  posted on  2012-03-14   13:21:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: X-15, Phant2000 (#12)

The opening words are a lie...LONG PLANNED...

What horse manure...this government is positive that the sheep believe anything

When the king and his minions become fearful of the palace guards, the unwashed masses dance in the streets.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-14   13:39:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#13)

..LONG PLANNED...

Mammy O'Bammy: Fredo, get on a plane right now and find out what kind of shithouse those guys are running over there.

Fredo Panetta: But, boss, them guys all got guns!

randge  posted on  2012-03-14   14:08:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: randge, Phant2000 (#14)

Fredo Panetta: But, boss, them guys all got guns!

I am donning my dancing shoes because this is the FIRST CRACK IN THE ARMOR that Obama and his handlers have been unable to cover.

As always it is the lowest minions in the military that start bringing down the house.

After the election, regardless of who wins, drastic measures will be taken. This "volunteer professional military" that Americans so love, will have to be drastically altered, FOR THE SAFETY OF THE RULING ELITE.

Endless wars have proven that "volunteer" armies do not work and never have. The Romans tried it.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-14   14:22:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#15)

Endless wars have proven that "volunteer" armies do not work and never have. The Romans tried it.

Perhaps that's why O'Bammy wants to unionize U.S. military by executive order.

randge  posted on  2012-03-14   14:38:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge (#16)

The people at the top will have to tell the politicians that the "professional army" may be getting out of control.

There is but one alternative and Americans are not going to be happy.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-14   14:56:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#18)

There is but one alternative and Americans are not going to be happy.

That's the second time you said that. You thinkin' draft, what?

Esso  posted on  2012-03-14   17:26:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Esso (#20) (Edited)

That's the second time you said that. You thinkin' draft, what?

Yes Sir.

This government has proven to themselves that a "paid professional army" is acceptable in times of peace, but that does NOT ring true in times of war, even with limited losses.

They now understand that their own safety is in question when it depends on hired, professional "volunteers".

Americans must now be reprogrammed to accept that "all" Americans need to serve their country, males and females. As usual, there will be escape avenues available to only those allowed by the governing elite. Once again the bleeding and dying will be borne upon the backs of the lowest of American society.

To those that "know better", most Americans in the 1930s also knew better, trusted the word of the government and FDR that American boys would never again fight in foreign wars. After 16 million were dragged off to war, A FEW AMERICANS admitted they had been duped.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-03-14   17:46:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#21)

Holy Crap.

If a draft is what these jokers need to pull their fat out of the fire, they are cooked!

Needless to say, they won't be calling up the 'Greatest Generation.'

Especially if he bleeding and dying is to be borne upon the backs of the 'lowest of American society.'

The crew running shit in this country has engineered a mess so bad that they won't be able to rescue their own sorry asses from the wreckage when their house of cards comes down.

randge  posted on  2012-03-14   18:10:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: randge (#23) (Edited)

The crew running shit in this country has engineered a mess so bad that they won't be able to rescue their own sorry asses from the wreckage when their house of cards comes down.

The amplitude on this clusterfuck is going to shoot to infinity if the jewzios get their war in Eye-Ran going. We don't have the manufacturing capability left in this country to sustain a war against any country, let alone the likes of Russia or China. We don't quit fucking with Iran, we're gonna have a nuclear war on our hands.

Winner: None.

Edit: I can just hear the 21st century Rosie the Riviter whining about carpy tunnel syndrome and repetitive stress injuries and how she needs to be on a big, fat disability pension. Yeah, WWIII oughtta be a real fuckin' cakewalk.

Esso  posted on  2012-03-14   18:24:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#27. To: Esso (#25)

So. Here are your choices:

1) Put your country into the tender hands of Communists. (We know how that works out.)

2) Submit to those who will throw everything we have into the crapshoot of what can easily mushroom into a WWIII.

I'm out of it. I'll let you guys decide.

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