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Title: Turtle Tries to Time Travel. Didn't Worrk
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Published: Mar 16, 2012
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2012-03-16 15:49:09 by Turtle
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I have decided time travel will not work. Let’s say you jump one hour into the future. The earth will have moved, as will have the solar system around the galaxy, and for that matter, the galaxy itself. You’d materialize in space.

The same would happen going into the past.

As fun as it is to engage in thought experiments in which you meet dinosaurs, or Morlocks and Eloi, in reality it can’t happen.

As I’ve pointed out before, teleportation or those Star Trek transporters, wouldn’t work. If you were beamed down on the equator you’d end up a red streak since the earth is spinning about 1000 miles an hour.

It appears this space-time continuum stuff prevents us from teleportation or time travel. It’s too bad.

Still, there’s always those Stargates. I hope they work.

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I have decided time travel will not work.

Quitter!!!

Ab just zipped back in time to have a chit chat with Faulkner. He said, "Clocks slay time... time is dead as long as it is being clicked off by little wheels; only when the clock stops does time come to life."

abraxas  posted on  2012-03-16   16:01:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Clocks slay time... time is dead as long as it is being clicked off by little wheels; only when the clock stops does time come to life."

Can I have a hit of what you're smoking? Pretty please with sugar on top?

Turtle  posted on  2012-03-16   16:02:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

“That's just how time travel looks like to the untrained eye. The reason why there aren't more travelers is that your average physicist refuses to be eaten by a giraffe in the name of science.” ― Bradley Sands, It Came from Below the Belt

abraxas  posted on  2012-03-16   16:14:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Bradley Sands

Uh huh...now I understand.

Turtle  posted on  2012-03-16   16:30:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Physicists often quote from T. H. White's epic novel The Once and Future King, where a society of ants declares, “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.” In other words, if there isn't a basic principle of physics forbidding time travel, then time travel is necessarily a physical possibility. (The reason for this is the uncertainty principle. Unless something is forbidden, quantum effects and fluctuations will eventually make it possible if we wait long enough. Thus, unless there is a law forbidding it, it will eventually occur.) — Michio Kaku

abraxas  posted on  2012-03-16   19:02:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Physicists often quote from T. H. White's epic novel The Once and Future King, where a society of ants declares, “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.” In other words, if there isn't a basic principle of physics forbidding time travel, then time travel is necessarily a physical possibility. (The reason for this is the uncertainty principle. Unless something is forbidden, quantum effects and fluctuations will eventually make it possible if we wait long enough. Thus, unless there is a law forbidding it, it will eventually occur.) — Michio Kaku

Assuming of course that quantum physics is valid and that it is not just another theoretical approximation of reality i.e., it is workable, but only up to a point.

It is like Einstein - the theory of Relativity postulated the speed of light as an absolute limiting velocity and we are now learning that may well not be the case. It may only be the "speed of light".

As for time - physics is still unable to explain it in the context of physical phenomena. Time is a consideration of sentience in observing change and it change which defines time, but how do you quantify a change in physical position in terms of sentient consideration and awareness? And then how do you manipulate that in the context of motion or change of reference point in space to a set of perceptions which no longer pertain?

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-03-16   19:28:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

not just another theoretical approximation of reality

postulated the speed of light as an absolute

physics is still unable to explain it in the context of physical phenomena.

Yet, this is what we have, have had and always will have due to the observer principle. There is no fixed theory of reality, although there is some communal or shared reality. What assumptions that quantum physics are not valid are you proposing?

Light is both a particle and a wave, actually simultaneously, but dependent upon the observer. So, at any given time the "reality" is that light is a wave or an alternate reality that it is a particle. This is the essential crux of understanding quantum mechanics. That there is no fixed reality.

Einstein's theory sets a fix up on the speed of light while maintaining that all else is relative, including time and space. According to Einstein theory, there is no absolute privileged frame of reference. Hence, relativity births quantum mechanics despite Einstein's desires to put it back in a box.

Physics does a fine job albeit not fixed or set, your beef is actually epistemological and philosophical. Sentient consideration and awareness is in a constant state of flux as are our notions of time and has a great distance to travel to catch up to quantum mechanics. Luckily, Buddhists have been doing this philosophical consideration for centuries.

The Buddhists have three perspectives to your paradoxical questions. Recall that Buddhism is based on the philosophy of emptiness and in this way it challenges the limits of human knowledge in the same way that physics does. Both ask the big question: How do humans conceptualize and understand reality coherently? Both reject the long held supposition that reality is composed of matter and what we filter through our senses. Humans tend to view reality through the lens of matter or what is tenable and we do the same to understand time, thus we do not consider a web of dependently originating and interconnected realities. Consider the first perspective Newtonian and the latter Quantum.

The Buddhists realists believe that the material world is composed of indivisible particles that have objective reality independent of the mind.

The Buddhist idealists reject any degree of objective reality in the external world as they view all that is the external world as an extension of the mind.

The Prasangika school does not deny the reality of the external world but understands it to be relative and contingent upon our shared concepts. This one is closest to the notion that matter cannot be objectively described apart from the observer as matter and mind are co-dependent.

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