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Title: Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai Blasts U.S. Over Probe Into Shootings: 'It Is By All Means The End Of The Rope Here'
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Published: Mar 16, 2012
Author: DEB RIECHMANN and AMIR SHAH
Post Date: 2012-03-16 21:49:31 by tom007
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Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai Blasts U.S. Over Probe Into Shootings: 'It Is By All Means The End Of The Rope Here' By DEB RIECHMANN and AMIR SHAH 03/16/12 08:56 PM ET AP Share on Google+ 164 19 15 2,435 Get World Alerts: Sign Up Follow: Afghanistan War, Afghanistan, Video, Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai, Hamid Karzai, Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan Hamid Karzai, Hamid Karzai Afghanistan, World News Afghanistan Afghan President Hamid Karzai speaks during a press conference at the presidential palace in Kabul, Afghanistan, Sunday, Feb. 26, 2012. (AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq) KABUL, Afghanistan — Warning he's at the "end of the rope" over civilian casualties, Afghanistan's president angrily accused the U.S. of not sharing information about how an American soldier allegedly shot and killed 16 Afghans in two villages. The incident has reverberated through the already complicated relations between the U.S. and Afghanistan, endangering talks over a long-term relationship after most U.S. and NATO combat troops withdraw by the end of 2014. The attorney for the accused soldier said Friday that the suspect is 38-year-old Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, from Washington state. The military had earlier declined to name the suspect. A senior U.S. official said Friday it was Bales, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation into an incident that has roiled relations with Afghanistan. John Henry Browne, a defense attorney from Seattle, confirmed his client's identity. Bales has not yet been charged. He was being flown Friday from Kuwait to a military detention center in the U.S. In an emotional meeting with relatives of the shooting victims, Karzai said the villagers' accounts of the massacre were widely different from the scenario depicted by U.S. military officials. The relatives and villagers insisted that it was impossible for one gunmen to kill nine children, four men and three women in three houses of two villages near a U.S. combat outpost in southern Afghanistan. Karzai pointed to one of the villagers from Panjwai district of Kandahar province and said: "In his family, in four rooms people were killed – children and women were killed – and then they were all brought together in one room and then set on fire. That, one man cannot do." Karzai said the delegation he sent to Kandahar province to investigate the shootings did not receive the expected cooperation from the United States. He said many questions remained about what occurred, and he would be raising the questions with the U.S. military "very loudly." The U.S. military had no comment on Karzai's remarks. The Afghan leader stressed that he wants a good relationship with the international community, but that it was becoming increasingly difficult in light of airstrikes that miss their targets, leaving civilians dead and raising opposition to night operations where troops raid homes looking for insurgents. "This has been going on for too long," he said at the presidential palace. "You have heard me before. It is by all means the end of the rope here. ... This form of activity, this behavior cannot be tolerated. It is past, past, past the time." NATO has said that night operations have been instrumental in rounding up midlevel commanders and Taliban bomb makers. The coalition says more than 90 percent of night operations are done alongside Afghan forces and that more than 85 percent are conducted without any shots fired. The United Nations has reported that last year was the deadliest on record for civilians in the Afghan war, with 3,021 killed as insurgents ratcheted up violence with suicide attacks and roadside bombs. The U.N. attributed 77 percent of the deaths to insurgent attacks and 14 percent to actions by international and Afghan troops. Nine percent of cases were classified as having an unknown cause. On Thursday, Karzai demanded that international forces pull out of rural areas because the fight was not in the villages. Afghan officials said Karzai made his request to immediately pull back from the villages during a meeting on Thursday with U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta. U.S. officials said, however, that he did not tell Panetta that it should happen immediately. Karzai said his demand for a withdrawal from villages was a topic of a phone call he received Friday morning from President Barack Obama. "Yesterday, I said clearly that the Americans should leave our villages," Karzai said. "This morning, Obama called regarding this issue. He asked, 'Did you announce this?' I said, "Yes, I announced it.'" Karzai's office and the White House issued statements recounting the phone call. Both said the two leaders discussed Karzai's long-standing concerns about night raids and house searches and they agreed to finish negotiations on a memorandum of understanding to resolve the issues. They agreed to further discuss Karzai's concern about the presence of foreign troops in Afghan villages, both statements said. On an unrelated matter, Obama congratulated Karzai and his wife on the birth of their daughter. Karzai also has a 5-year-old son, Mirwais. Bales, the shooting suspect, was being taken to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, the military's only maximum-security prison. Officials say that transfer was necessary because there was no appropriate detention facility to hold him in Afghanistan. The passage through Kuwait angered conservatives in the Gulf Arab nation, where the U.S. military has thousands of troops stationed. Kuwait has become an increasingly important strategic location for U.S. forces in the region after the American withdrawal from Iraq. Islamist lawmaker Waleed Tabtabaei was quoted by the Kuwait newspaper Al-Rai saying the stopover was unacceptable and the U.S. should "stop treating Kuwait like its backyard." In an apparent nod to such sentiments, the Kuwait military statement underlined that the suspect was not questioned while on Kuwaiti soil. Dealing another blow to the U.S. war effort in Afghanistan, the Taliban on Thursday said they were calling off talks with the Americans, charging that the U.S. had failed to follow through on its promises and had made new demands. The militant group also said the U.S. falsely claimed that it had entered into multilateral negotiations that included the Afghan government. Karzai said Friday that the Taliban should be talking directly with his government. The moves represent new setbacks to America's strategy for ending the 10-year-old war at a time when support at home for the conflict is plummeting. Part of the U.S. exit strategy is to transfer authority gradually to Afghan forces. Another tack is to pull the Taliban and other militant factions into political discussions with the Afghan government, though it's unclear whether there has been any progress since January. Prospective peace talks have not gained traction, according to longtime Afghan warlord, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a former Afghan prime minister who has been branded a terrorist by Washington. U.S. and Afghan officials have had talks with representatives of Hekmatyar. "As far as I know, there haven't been any hopeful negotiations between the United States and their opposition, or the Afghan government with the mujahedeen or the Taliban," Hekmatyar told 1TV, a private Afghan television station, in an interview broadcast on Thursday. U.S. discussions with Hekmatyar have been described as nascent and exploratory. Still, in addition to getting the blessing of Taliban chief Mullah Mohammad Omar – a bitter rival of Hekmatyar even though both are fighting international troops – any peace deal would likely have to be supported by Hekmatyar, who has thousands of fighters and followers primarily in the north and east. ___ Associated Press writers Heidi Vogt and Sebastian Abbot contributed to this report from Kabul. Robert Burns in Washington and Lolita C. Baldor also contributed. Also on HuffPost:
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#1. To: tom007 (#0)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's bitch
Colin Powell's Magic Words. Recall Powell wrote off Mi Lai as a non event as the investigator? He later made four stars.
How dare you Cyni! Powell earned his stars by virtue of his hue.
You would appreciate Powell Jethro. In your line of work, Powell did an exhaustive investigation of the Mi Lai affair and concluded there was nothing of substance to warrant further investigation. The book was closed. Did I mention, Powell never interviewed any of the participants???? I always whine, there is a MILITARY within the MILITARY.
AH...he sounds like a wonderful Chief Inspector named Ray McGovern (a/k/a "General Patton"). We'd walk through the fires of hell for Ray and he'd swear we were in church the entire time.
If memory serves me correctly, Powell was a Major at the time and was promoted to Lt. Col as a valiant Vietnam warrior. Lt. Calley? Oh, he went to prison for doing his job, remember at the time we gauged the war by body count??? That was when all those nice people denied they voted for Johnson and a new war?
I remember in vivid detail. And who could forget perhaps the biggest disaster of a book tour given to us by Robert J. McNamara? They knew the mofo was lost in '66? And we think Jane Fonda was the biggest disgrace of the Vietnam war? The Elite beat that twit by app. 58,000 bodies.
He wanted it whitewashed, and it would have been had not Seymor Hersch (sp) gotten out the story. I believe he was in a chopper watching the action, and the pilot was so upset with what the USArmy was doing, he turned his guns on the US and slowed or stopped the slaughter. I do't think he ever shot his weapon, tho. Tom... Do you recall seeing and reading in the past about events in WW2 of Americans machine gunning unarmed German prisoners??? By the dozens until it was stopped by an American officer. Photos abound of that sad day. No one was ever punished by the army. It is not just recent Americans that have committed atrocities, it has always been there in wartime.
I may be wrong, but in the most well known of such instances the Waffen-SS had recently shot American prisoners in Belgium. These incident were war crimes on both sides, but they are comprehensible to most of us as these acts were carried out in the heat of desperate fighting. We are wont to throw up our hands and say, "Thus hath it always been, and ever will it be so." Shooting up non-combatants in their homes, however, presents quite another set of circumstances. This kind of news evokes some of darkest fears - being set upon in the middle of the night by armed men who want to kill us and our families. There's where the screwy thing is for me. This massacre looks to me like a production written to inflame fear on all sides. Three children were shot in the head. Witnesses tell Reuters that several men entered homes and began the shooting at 2:00am that morning. Sgt. Robert Bales is recorded as leaving his post at 3:00am before the shooting began. My bullshit meter is going tickety-tick-tick. A people that would and could throw the bums out in the voting booth never has to. - Prefrontal Vortex
Killing any defenseless human is wrong, there is no degree of good or bad. I have said many times before, the military has learned their lesson when it comes to the breaking points of man. In the past we have read the gung ho bullshit that the American soldier was up to any task, on and on, endlessly. They have found out that their claptrap is wrong and has been proven wrong to the world. "They" are the enemy, man, woman, child, makes no difference, they wear no uniform. That is why Ron Paul should be made Sec of Def with a huge broom, clean out that vipers nest of admirals and generals that will acquiesce to any war that means they are given stars.
It won't come with a broom when it comes, but with a rod of iron. A people that would and could throw the bums out in the voting booth never has to. - Prefrontal Vortex
I would love to see that place fumigated. The grunts go to prison for killing, the generals get another star. Keep the blame hung around the grunts necks, let them rot in prison for their crimes, but is no one in charge that at least gets the boot???? None.
The officer class be coated with a special layer of Teflon. All de grime an' blood an' horrah don't stick to them. Only grunts gits courts martial. A people that would and could throw the bums out in the voting booth never has to. - Prefrontal Vortex
During my time, I was always proud of myself for fighting the military every step of the way. Lost every battle for sure but I extracted unseen blood for every loss. In four years, I NEVER ONCE WORE A UNIFORM WITH ANY RANK. Was,nt interested in their petty promotion bullshit of an extra ten bucks a month or whatever. Two years in I sold my dress uniforms for sixty dollars for beer money. I was not a class A sojer.
#2. To: Eric Stratton (#1)
"collateral damage"
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#3. To: tom007 (#2)
Colin Powell's Magic Words.
#4. To: Cynicom (#3)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
In your line of work, Powell did an exhaustive investigation of the Mi Lai affair and concluded there was nothing of substance to warrant further investigation.
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
#9. To: Cynicom (#3)
Recall Powell wrote off Mi Lai as a non event as the investigator?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#10. To: tom007 (#9)
#11. To: Cynicom (#10)
Do you recall seeing and reading in the past about events in WW2 of Americans machine gunning unarmed German prisoners???
#12. To: randge (#11)
#13. To: Cynicom (#12)
That is why Ron Paul should be made Sec of Def with a huge broom, clean out that vipers nest of admirals and generals that will acquiesce to any war that means they are given stars.
#14. To: randge (#13)
It won't come with a broom when it comes, but with a rod of iron.
#15. To: Cynicom (#14)
#16. To: randge (#15)
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