Title: Actual Media Proof They Are Blacking Out Ron Paul! Source:
youtube URL Source:http://youtu.be/ldMMDm_ed00 Published:Apr 1, 2012 Author:. Post Date:2012-04-01 23:36:10 by farmfriend Keywords:None Views:812 Comments:32
He didn't capitulate. He stayed in the race for the nomination until the last States had voted and he never withdrew, even though he only had 14 pledged Delegates. Do you think he could have switched to a third party for the Presidential race and for his Congressional race and won either then? Probably not. Could he have run third party in the Presidential race and as a Republican for his Congressional race? Probably not.
I know, it is difficult to accept that Ron is not in the race with any more fervor and fire than last time. Being left at the alter one time is usually sufficient. Tis for me.
There has always been the possibility that Ron is nothing more than a stalking horse, to keep a true conservative from running with intent to create a third party.
Perot garnered 20 million votes, then he dropped out.
Good thing for America that he got agreeable about returning to Congress a dozen times.
I know, it is difficult to accept that Ron is not in the race with any more fervor and fire than last time.
I don't get that impression.
There has always been the possibility that Ron is nothing more than a stalking horse, to keep a true conservative from running with intent to create a third party.
I don't even see a true conservative around besides him. Which one do you think would want to run with intent to create a third party?
I do not understand how Paul can be a conservative and still maintain he will be a republican member until he dies.
But he didn't say that he will be a Republican member until he dies. You read it that way when all he said at the time to his campaign supporters was that he was going to remain a Republican re: the Presidential race, since he also had to run for his Congressional seat. Maybe that wasn't clear enough for you but it was to me. Why you accuse him of being a capitulator because he stayed in the '08 race as a Republican, when switching to a third party run then would probably have resulted in him being out of office four years ago, I don't know. No doubt he'd like to be able to help the Republican Party find its way back to its roots and maybe he can do that better by forming a Jeffersonian-Republican wing. Whether he moves to do that during this race or after or not, he states very directly here at 8:38 [uploaded Mar 31, 2012] that the obligation of politicians is the Oath of Office, not an oath to the Party.
His support money is drying up for a reason and he will be operating on a shoestring if he remains a republican. With seven months to go he has less than two million in cash.
It is quite evident that his support is realizing they are enduring yet another lost cause. after his Trotski memo four years ago, I put away my checkbook as did most others. Never opened it this time around.
I suspect that it would have been ok with you if he had won as a Republican and stayed one, since you did contribute to his campaign as a Republican. So, it seems like you think he must be punished because he didn't win the nomination in '08 as a Republican and wouldn't risk everything by changing parties to run a three-way race for the Presidency that would have accomplished what at the time?...Obama and McCain would have gotten fewer votes for your money if he didn't win? Why would you even want him to risk all the rest of his political career, probably to no avail, for your conditional donations? He'd already gone way above and beyond the Call of Party Duty by his efforts to Champion the Constitution, not just be a run-of- the-mill candidate with no such principles. I think it's unfair and inconsiderate if you expected him to take on what might have been a total career-suicide mission to meet whatever standard you preferred besides Republican, which could have left his TX constituents adrift and those of us who appreciate his voice in Congress. Unless you honestly think he would have won in '08 by running third party, what difference could it possibly make to you that he didn't? He did win four more years in Washington as a Congressman, very likely because he chose not to risk losing both races [Edit to add: and more campaign contributions] by switching to a third party then.
As for the so-called "Trotsky Memo", I think it's unkind to refer to it so and it's like he's being punished for being completely truthful. If he had simply said "this Revolution is permanent" without mentioning Trotsky's usage of the phrase, his detractors might have accused him of plagiarism and worse. As it is, they can't accuse him of plagiarizing it but just because Trotsky said it too doesn't mean no one else can say that anymore unless they're a covert or overt Communist suspect. Trotsky said so many things that I wouldn't even want to count it all. He might have said, "It's at two o'clock," speaking of some doing way back then and it was for him. Flyers like you can still say, "It's at two o'clock," in this time period and be correct, without being a Communist, yet mean something very different from his perspective at that point. It's likewise perfectly ok, imo, to describe the Ron Paul Revolution as permanently ongoing, yet it's a very different concept for us of Revolution than Trotsky's.
I told Artisan a few days ago, I do not like to respond to posts that are centered on "you". To me that seems too personal and not really a discussion. On quick review, I count eight "yous" in the post. Makes me feel as if I am being indicted by a judge.
Thanks, Cyni. :) I very much look forward to reading your views and have been hoping that they might bend more friendly-like in Ron Paul's direction if reconsidered some. After all, he didn't have vast resources available for a third party race then but does have vastly more supporters now if he does choose that route this time.
Was watching M.A.S.H reruns recently and Hawkeye and Hunnicutt were assigned Morale Officer Duty because it was about as low as a gopher's basement around there and they weren't improving that by their grumpiness. At least give some thought to a job like that for this run, please. They didn't want the assignment either when they got it and still said discouraging words when they felt like it, iirc, but think it over, if you will. We sure could use your help.
I did see your "you" comment earlier and didn't mean to sound like an indicting judge. Tried to keep those to a minimum in this post and will try to do so in the future -- but it ain't what I'd call very easy to do when it's your views I'm puzzled about, Cynicom sir, and not views in-general on the topic. ;)
have been hoping that they might bend more friendly-like in Ron Paul's direction if reconsidered some.
Thank you for such an intelligent and considerate reply.
I do not recall due to failing memory if you were here on 4um four years ago.During that time frame, Christine and I took a leap of faith to the tune of near two thousand dollars on behalf of Ron Paul for an ad in the Manchester newspaper. We solicited here on 4um for financial help to underwrite the cost.
It fell way short so we ate the difference. This was an effort above and beyond our personal financial support.
Your concern about MSM blanking out Paul was proven to Christine and me when just prior to the primary, the paper "lost" the two thousand dollar ad and it never appeared. It was quite obvious they did not want the ad to appear, so they refunded the money. With deep apologies of course.
Cynics are also realists. Ron Paul has an excellent message, the only one, but he does not have the fire in his belly to do battle with this corrupt government.
You're more than welcome, of course. No, I wasn't here four years ago and didn't know that. It's awful what they did by taking the money and then wasting it with their blackout so that it couldn't be put to better use elsewhere and sooner for Ron Paul or his 4um supporters. I might have suggested making a copy of their supposed apology and sending it back to them, then changed my mind so as not to be impolite.
I think he's well equipped to do battle with the corrupt system -- has been doing so for decades, alone or not -- and also that thousands go to his rallies to hear his message because he doesn't act like a dragon, as the corrupted politicians do. You might be surprised to know that dragons can be knocked out cold by a saucer of milk. No joke, I went to a dragon display once at the zoo and that was one of the more obscure data- points, to be sure, but there ya go: another reason not to underestimate him too much. :)
The only way RP, or any real Constitutionalist, could ever win is if for every dollar that a voter paid in Federal Income Tax they had that many votes.
That and banning corporate donations: they are not persons, scotus be damned.
My most realistic view of the future of this country, is based on the opinion that it is TOO LATE for change for the better. We will have violent change that will hasten the collapse of our country.