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Title: Obama State Department set to cede oil-rich Alaska islands to Russia
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.worldnewstribune.com/201 ... rich-alaska-islands-to-russia/
Published: Apr 3, 2012
Author: worldtribune.com
Post Date: 2012-04-03 22:53:18 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 242
Comments: 15

Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin. … The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.

The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.

The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care. Read more at: http://times247.com/articles/obama-must-stop-alaskan-islands-giveaway

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#6. To: christine, 4, artisan (#0)

Artisan, this is why I appreciate your articles. You source damn near everything. OTOH, the same cant be said for the 'elites'.

Now, to the article.

Proof?

Why, I wonder, was no proof given?

It's (the OP) based on a WND article, again not sourced to prove his point. And at WND, it is on the opinion page. This is not an "opinion". This is stated as fact. Why?

THen there's this at the bottom of that wnd article:

Joe Miller was the 2010 Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate from Alaska. He is a West Point graduate and decorated combat veteran from the first Gulf War. A former judge, Joe graduated from Yale Law School and was later awarded an advanced economics degree from the University of Alaska. He is presently chairman of Restoring Liberty Alaska PAC and Restoring Liberty Action Committee. Follow Joe at Facebook and Twitter.

So:

1) he's a republipuke nominee (people here just love republicans and politicians in general)

2) a thug in uniform (Yep, they're admired too...)

3) a judge / lawyer (always a beloved group among the freedom-minded)

4) Last but not least, he has the title of "He is presently chairman of Restoring Liberty Alaska PAC and Restoring Liberty Action Committee."

Money grubbing. He's looking for money.

He can't come up with basic sources. Since when do fundraisers need facts.

I say it's BS until proven differently.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-04-04   8:44:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA2, christine, All (#6) (Edited)

The article link didn't work for me but more sources at statedepartmentwatch.org: Summary of Giveaway of 8 American Alaskan Islands to the Russian Government

STATE DEPARTMENT WATCH discovered the existence of the negotiations in 1984. It began a public campaign of opposition both to the immense giveaway involved, and to the power of the State Department to adopt such a maritime boundary as an executive agreement and not as a treaty. The State Department never notified the United States Senate that it was negotiating over something that might result in a treaty, as required by law. Treaties require Senate review, and in this case would require House of Representatives implementation review because it disposes of U.S. government property. The State of Alaska was ignored. STATE DEPARTMENT WATCH aided the Alaska Legislature in passing several resolutions protesting the giveaway. In particular they challenged the unconstitutional denial of the state government's right to participate in the negotiations and to consent to the terms that affect the state's territory, property, and sovereignty. This right was firmly established by Secretary of State Daniel Webster in 1842 in the negotiations between the U. S. and Great Britain over establishing the boundary between Maine and what is now Canada, which was formalized in the Webster-Ashburton Treaty. [See Webster-Ashburton Treaty.]

Edit to note that I tried the article link again and it worked that time.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-04-04   9:00:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GreyLmist (#7)

A couple problems.

1) In 1977 the Soviets eagerly accepted the concept of the proposed maritime boundary line, but no formal agreement was reached until 1990. At least 10 rounds of secret negotiations occurred through the Carter, Reagan, and Bush Administrations with no public, Congressional, or State of Alaska input sought by the State Department. According to State Department documents, for 13 years the Soviets were demanding even more seabeds along the Bering Sea part of the line.

a) How was these "secret negotiations" uncovered? It amazes me how they just can't keep a secret... not.

b) He mentions docs. Where are they? Am I just supposed to take his word for it? Not f'n likely!

www.statedepartmentwatch.org/1867Treaty.htm is the 1867 treaty (supposedly). I can't even read that.

c) Aren't treaties supposed to have signatures? I cant read the treaty but I can see that no one signed it.

2) The 1990 treaty was never signed. He admits that. But them that leaves only the "secret agreement" that makes an end run around the senate. www.statedepartmentwatch.org/1990BushXmit-Senate.htm

Have the Russians taken physical possession of these Islands? I haven't read the whole site, but there is no reason to bury that kind of knowledge. Something like that should be front and center, in huge print.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-04-04   10:58:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#9. To: PSUSA2 (#8)

You wanted more sources and I gave you more sources. If you need more, you could go surf for some but seems you'll only trust big media sources to inform you with huge headlines on the issues. Very funny, seriously. lol

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-04-05 05:04:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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