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Title: My Last Post
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URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2869117/posts
Published: Apr 8, 2012
Author: Glenn
Post Date: 2012-04-08 09:55:07 by James Deffenbach
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Views: 390
Comments: 36

My Last Post

Posted on Friday, April 06, 2012 2:04:25 PM by Glenn

I've been here a year or two.

The demands of the fundraisers have gone up and up.

While I have no dispute of Jim's numbers as up front, they have gone governmental.

Look closely at the budget. Decide for yourself.


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Obviously Glenn doesn't understand how very expensive it is to run a chat board for cat ladies. (1 image)

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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

funny, bump

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-04-08   10:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

Thanks Lod. Sure does seem strange that it would take the kind of money Jim asks for to run FR. Or it would if you didn't know how much he and his family were making off the rubes that send in their money.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   10:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: James Deffenbach (#2)

My epiphany was getting booted for criticizing the chimperor's open-borders policy.

(It's saved me a few hundred bones/quarter.)

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-04-08   10:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#3)

I reckon ol' Jimrob had been on a ride with John Barleycorn when he nuked me. I had never broken any of their posted rules or anything. I just put it down to peevishness of an old drunk.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   10:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: James Deffenbach, All (#2)

deleted

The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-08   10:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Eric Stratton (#5)

Any sentient being with more than two brain cells and one firing synapse has to know that Jim Rob does NOT need anywhere near the kind of money he is raising to run FR. But then margaritas and bread sticks don't grow on trees I reckon. And you can't give work to your whole family at exorbitant rates if you only asked for what it actually cost to run the site.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   10:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#6)

94K/quarter?

They did have a headline that Mike Wallace has gone to that big studio in the sky.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-04-08   11:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#6)

deleted

The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-08   11:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Lod (#7)

94K/quarter?

They did have a headline that Mike Wallace has gone to that big studio in the sky.

Yeah, ain't that something--94,000 a quarter, 376,000 a year to run a chat board for cat ladies. LOL! I think he is shooting for a cool half mil a year.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   11:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#7)

Oh, and I read yesterday that an actual human had died (Thomas Kinkade, painter of light).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   11:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod (#3)

My epiphany was getting booted for criticizing the chimperor's open-borders policy.

I was booted the first time for something I said on another forum. Booted the second time to protect a Republican party hack who was engaging in libel.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-04-08   12:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

I don't understand these expenses? costs on server and software for such a thing are?, geeze, my high end would be $150 per month and even if paying myself $50 per hour to manage the place I don't see how they can claim such costs ...


~ the truth will set ya free, but only after it pisses ya off ~

Amandil  posted on  2012-04-08   12:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Amandil (#12)

Yeah, but then you are not paying yourself, your son and your wife exorbitant amounts of money either. And whatever others he might give money to (the folks at the Olive Garden for example).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   12:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: James Deffenbach (#6)

$376,000. He takes in more than that in cash donations per year that go unreported.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2012-04-08   13:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Obnoxicated (#14)

I wouldn't doubt that (not that I care--you know the old saying about how fools and their money are soon parted? Well with me it would be a fool and his money are soon partying (if I had any) but Jim Rob wouldn't be partying with it, I "guarontee").

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   13:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Obnoxicated, James Deffenbach (#14)

$376,000. He takes in more than that in cash donations per year that go unreported.

C'mon - give the guy a break. Dom Perignon ain't as cheap as it used to be - even if you buy it by the case.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-08   13:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#16)

Well, when he nuked me for no reason I could have given him a break if he had been anywhere nearby. But it's all good, I wore my nuking from that site as a badge of honor.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   13:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent, Obnoxicated, James Deffenbach (#16)

C'mon - give the guy a break. Dom Perignon ain't as cheap as it used to be - even if you buy it by the case.

My guess is a good portion goes to his medical bills.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-04-08   13:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: farmfriend (#18)

My guess is a good portion goes to his medical bills.

You don't think the VA and insurance takes care of most, if not all, of his medical bills?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   13:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: James Deffenbach (#17)

Well, when he nuked me for no reason I could have given him a break if he had been anywhere nearby. But it's all good, I wore my nuking from that site as a badge of honor.

And you should wear it as a badge of honor. Some of the best posters on the 'net have been banned from FreepTardia. It is almost a right of passage to the upper tier. If you don't get banned from freeptardia then you are not seeing the world as it really is. It's kind of like the old "Banned in Boston" - a great recommendation. ;-)

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-08   13:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend (#18)

C'mon - give the guy a break. Dom Perignon ain't as cheap as it used to be - even if you buy it by the case.

My guess is a good portion goes to his medical bills.

I'm sure that a lot of it does go for "medicine" - "Nerve Tonic", "Appetite Stimulants", and such.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-08   13:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)

And you should wear it as a badge of honor. Some of the best posters on the 'net have been banned from FreepTardia. It is almost a right of passage to the upper tier. If you don't get banned from freeptardia then you are not seeing the world as it really is. It's kind of like the old "Banned in Boston" - a great recommendation. ;-)

If you don't get banned from FR you will be like the lion that Brer Rabbit tricked into fighting with his own reflection in the pool--you will die from lack of sense and bref. ahaha.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   13:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#20)

If you don't get banned from freeptardia then you are not seeing the world as it really is.

There are a few of us who have never had an account at freeptardia and have not shared in the pleasure of the banning right of passage yet remain confident that our world view is stellar for having not gone the way of the grifter. lol

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-08   13:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend (#21)

I'm sure that a lot of it does go for "medicine" - "Nerve Tonic", "Appetite Stimulants", and such.

Ah yes, the altruistic heart of the grifter.....it's all for YOUR benefit dear contributing friends.......it's all for YOUR good and, of course, the GOOD OF ALL HUMANITY!!

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-08   14:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach, Original_Intent (#24)


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-04-08   15:08:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: abraxas (#24)

Ah yes, the altruistic heart of the grifter.....it's all for YOUR benefit dear contributing friends.......it's all for YOUR good and, of course, the GOOD OF ALL HUMANITY!!

Well of course it is, don't be ridiculous. /Balki speak

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   15:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: abraxas (#23)

As I of the early denizens of Freakville, I often wonder about the makeup of those that stay and inhabit the place.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-08   15:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: farmfriend (#25)

You only have free speech at free republic if you agree with the neocon talking point of the day and support whoever Jim Rob supports which can change at a moment's notice.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   15:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: abraxas (#23)

My exodus was anything but subtle. One day I'd just had it up to you know where and wanted to see how long it would take me to wear out my welcome.

So I unloaded on Sr. Boosh with all the epithets at my command. I think it took about fifteen minutes for that crew over there to put a moderator on the case. I've never looked back.

Is dis be Satan?.

randge  posted on  2012-04-08   15:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: randge (#29)

I knew it would come to that, nice folks having to moderate you and all.

So the jug eared Kenyan is a disciple of Crowley, eh? That should tell anyone all they need to know about him.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-04-08   15:56:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: farmfriend (#25)

Run to the light Glenn! Run to the light farmfriend!! lol

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-08   16:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#29)

No worthy exodus shall be subtle! One must wonder how speech can simultaneously be free and moderated. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-08   16:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#27)

I often wonder about the makeup of those that stay and inhabit the place.

Think of the analogy given by Plato of the people in the cave. It's fitting. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-08   16:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: James Deffenbach (#30)

I thought that this jaw-dropper might have been some king of cut and past job, but the image seems to have been vetted. I'd like to get opinions on that, if anybody here has something offer from a technical perspective. This really ought to have its own thread.

This image is being spread around the Internet like wildfire.

As you can see, it appears to be a photograph of President Barack Obama wearing a t-shirt with the face of Aleister Crowley on it. An intense debate is raging as to whether or not this photograph is real and a number of arguments against its authenticity have been brought up. I personally don’t think these arguments hold any water, and here’s why:

1. First, I took a look at this photo’s EXIF data. This can be done by taking the URL of the photo (right click on the photo and click “Copy Image URL”) and running it through any EXIF data reader. Here’s a few online versions: regex.info/exif.cgi www.exifviewer.org/ www.findexif.com/ As you can see, this photo was taken with a Nikon D3 digital SLR camera, which is a fairly professional camera that one might expect to be carried by a journalist. EXIF data is stored by a digital camera to a photograph when the file is being written to the camera’s storage card. When saving a photo in Photoshop or other image editing software, this data is wiped out. You’ll notice that other hoax images online do not contain much EXIF data, if any at all. The fact that it is intact on this photo demonstrates that it has not been modified with Photoshop or similar image editing software.

2. Some have said that Obama’s head is much too big for this picture to be real. However, size distortion is a common issue with DSLR cameras, especially if the photographer was slightly inexperienced and made a minor mistake with the configuration of the camera. This can happen easily, either by choosing the wrong lens, setting the zoom incorrectly, or setting any number of the camera’s dozens (or hundreds) of other settings incorrectly. Here is an article explaining the science behind this phenomenon: en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Per..._distortion_(photography) Despite all this, however, his head looks normal to me, even when compared with other images.

3. Some have said that the pixelation around the text on Obama’s shirt proves that it is Photoshopped. However, this isn’t the case either. When uploading JPEG images to websites like Flickr, various forms of compression are used to reduce the download size of the photo for users. This type of compression can cause “artifacts” in the image. Here’s an experiment: Open up MS paint and create a new image. Use the fillbucket tool to make the entire image red. Then upload it to Facebook. Notice anything? That’s right, artifacts! Sites like Flickr will actually keep EXIF data in place, too.

4. Obama’s shirt advertises “AC2012,” a website promoting a write-in campaign for Aleister Crowley for the 2012 United States Presidential election. Contrary to popular belief, this image does not originate from the AC2012 website. This can be seen by the lack of EXIF data on the AC2012 version of the photo. It was removed their compression algorithm. AC2012 thanks President Obama for his support of their website. They must have discovered the image elsewhere, like the rest of us. 5. Despite what some people think, this image isn’t just an April Fool’s joke. It made its way to a number of sites before April 1; it just so happened that April Fool’s Day was the day the right combination of people started sharing it for it to get noticed.

Here’s a link that had the image both before AC2012 picked it up and before April 1. Check the date on this one: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php? fbid=10150564571284112&set=p.10150564571284112&type=1&theater - That’s right, November 25, 2011! Long before April Fools Day. Other sites have a pre-April 1 date as well.

6. People have been saying that Obama would never wear this shirt because it would be political suicide. I wouldn’t be so sure. Aleister Crowley seems to have a bad rap among some groups due to slander by the media in his day about being “the Wickedest Man in the World.” This is because he strongly promoted the values of freedom and individual liberty in Victorian Era Britain, a notable repressive culture. Despite the bad rap he’s received, he’s actually done a lot of very good things. For instance, he worked with Winston Churchill to fight against the Nazis, developing the “V for Victory” hand sign as part of his campaign. Mussolini kicked him out of fascist Italy for spreading anti-fascist ideas there. Other accomplishments include setting world mountain climbing records, being a world chess champion, being one of the first Westerners to visit China as part of his extensive travels and cultural research, creating Thelema, a religion based on skepticism, a rejection of the supernatural, and pro-freedom ideals, etc.

Crowley inspired a number of very famous people, including the Beatles’ John Lennon, author Aldous Huxley, and many others. While I am not personally a fan of Obama’s policies, I am also not surprised that Obama is inspired by Mr. Crowley. Crowley’s ideas transcended both right and left wing politics. In conclusion, make of this what you will, but I think this is the real deal folks.

Posted 6 days ago 8 notes

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Is dis be Satan?.

randge  posted on  2012-04-08   17:37:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#27)

As I of the early denizens of Freakville, I often wonder about the makeup of those that stay and inhabit the place.

me too!

christine  posted on  2012-04-08   19:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: randge (#34)

very interesting...i want to know more.

christine  posted on  2012-04-08   19:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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