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Title: Delaware's Biden Takes Away Sheriff Arrest Powers! Sheriffs Bushwhacked
Source: rense.com
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general95/delaware.html
Published: Apr 8, 2012
Author: Pat Shannan, Contributing Editor, Americ
Post Date: 2012-04-09 02:05:02 by GreyLmist
Keywords: Delaware, Sheriffs, Attorney General Beau Biden, Joe Biden
Views: 230
Comments: 13

(AFP) -- Sheriff Jeff Christopher of Sussex County, Delaware, when he was elected to the office in 2010, thought he was handpicked by the people to represent them as the highest-ranking law officer in the county. Instead, he has found himself in the middle of a fight for the future of American law enforcement as a result of a nationwide effort to abolish the sheriff’s office altogether.

It is one more example of federal and state governments ignoring the will of the people as well state laws. In the case of Delaware, the state’s own constitution stipulates that the office of the sheriff is a constitutionally created position just like the secretary of state and the attorney general. Delaware’s Constitution states: “The sheriffs shall be conservators of the peace within the counties . . . in which they reside.”

This time it is Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, son of Vice President Joe Biden, sending out mandates to commissioners informing them that their sheriffs no longer have arrest powers. In an opinion released Feb. 24, State Solicitor L.W. Lewis said that neither the state nor the common law grants arrest powers to the county sheriffs.

It would appear that Lewis is a little confused. The office of sheriff was created more than a century before the official founding of the United States. Delaware’s first sheriff took office in 1669.

Christopher tells AFP that the two administrations prior to his—as far back as 2000—began to notice a reduction in funding and the chipping away of powers of the office in general.

“Now my deputies and I have been relieved of all arrest powers and can’t even make a traffic stop,” he said. “Delaware has only three counties. . . The other two sheriffs . . . will not stand up with me” to prevent the elimination of county law enforcement, he said.

During an interview at the Las Vegas Sheriffs Conference in January, Christopher told AFP that the impotence of his office was brought home to him when he was hit in the eye and kicked by County Councilman Vance Phillips but was unable to arrest him.

Beau Biden’s questionable ruling against the longtime tradition of the sheriff being the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the county because of election by the people means the state’s usurpation of the office appears to be a forthcoming fact.

County spokesman Chip Guy announced, “The opinion from the attorney general’s office reinforces what has long been the position of the county [that] Delaware sheriffs and their deputies do not have arrest powers and are not in the same vein as state police or municipal officers.”

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During an interview at the Las Vegas Sheriffs Conference in January, Christopher told AFP that the impotence of his office was brought home to him when he was hit in the eye and kicked by County Councilman Vance Phillips but was unable to arrest him.

Nonsense.

Anyone can make a citizens arrest. He's a citizen, isn't he?

I am assuming that the story is otherwise accurate.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-04-09   7:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Considering 99% of the sheriffs in this country are lapdogs for the federal government I have a hard time giving a damn. The sheriffs of Delaware are now free to find an honorable career path and become productive members of society.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-04-09   7:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good point. On top of that, if this incident happened Christopher is well within his rights to file charges of assault against Mr. Phillips.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-04-09   7:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1) It's a rense article...

2) He publicly accused a man of battery. I'm no lawyer but wouldn't that be possible grounds for a lawsuit if that never happened? And if it did happen, no reasonable man would ever just let that slide.

3) He's a pig. But it seems that some people that otherwise wouldn't believe them to tell the truth about the right time of day would believe them if they say a few things to reinforce their personal worldviews. Just throw the idiots a few scraps to gnaw on, and they will follow you anywhere, just like little puppies.

4) This happened at the Vegas convention. Patriots and pigs do not mix, unless those patriots are the authoritarian neocon type, or they are nothing but sheep looking for a shepherd.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-04-09   7:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-09   8:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Beau Biden’s questionable ruling against the longtime tradition of the sheriff being the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the county because of election by the people means the state’s usurpation of the office appears to be a forthcoming fact.

I might not have responded had someone else posted this article. But since you and I have an ongoing debate as to what the nature of the U.S. Government actually is (as opposed to what people errantly think it should be) I thought it necessary to point out that even the "sheriff's" have signed on to the FEDERAL bureaucracy.

Counties have morphed into federal subsidiaries through contractual arrangements with the FEDERAL STATES that have also become FEDERAL subsidiaries.

There is a commercial overlay that has usurped the common-law and the constitution through agreements/contracts, and it is perfectly legal as long as it's voluntary.

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-04-09   8:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

At the close of the Constitutional Convention in 1787, [FREEMASON] Benjamin Franklin [SNIDELY?] told an inquisitive citizen that the delegates to the Constitutional Convention gave the people “a Republic, if you can keep it.” We should apologize to Mr. Franklin. [IN WHOSE HOME IN LONDON WERE FOUND THE REMAINS OF TEN PEOPLE http://www.infowars.com/articles/occult/hellfire.htm ] It is obvious that the Republic is gone, for we are wallowing in a pure democracy against which the Founders had strongly warned.

Madison, the father of the Constitution, could not have been more explicit in his fear and concern for democracies. “Democracies,” he said, “have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; [EVER HEAR OF THE WHISKEY REBELLION IN THE NEW REPUBLIC? ] and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.”

If Madison’s assessment was correct, it behooves those of us in Congress to take note and decide, indeed, whether the Republic has vanished, when it occurred, and exactly what to expect in the way of “turbulence, contention, and violence.”

maybe here:

"...In March of 1867, the U.S. Congress passed the First Reconstruction Act, which divided the former Confederate states in to military districts, and declared the state and local governments provisional. In August of 1867, General Philip H. Sheridan, commander of the 5th military district, removed Governor Throckmorton, Lt. Governor Jones, and other Texas officials from office, labeling them "impediments to reconstruction."...."

maybe here:

"...19. The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24)

20. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

21. You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

23. Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

24. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)

25. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

26. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

27. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

28. The Pope's laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

29. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children. (Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

30. **** Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of the Presidents Vo 1, pg 99. Websters 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

31. "The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

32. **** The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)......" http://www.thepowerhour.com/news2/who_owns_you.htm / http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/ / http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/eschatology.html ....

BUT AMERICA WAS:

http://michaelnewdow.com/FirstCharterofVirginia.htm / http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ /

The Egyptian pyramid and so-called "Star of David" over the eagle's head on the US Great Seal SAYS IT ALL: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm

"... the six-pointed star was used in the past when burnt human sacrifices were offered to Moloch and Ashtoreth in Baal worship. The few Jews who had anything to do with the Six-Pointed star (hexagram) were those who were involved in occult practices. Back to Hitler, would he put anything good on a Jew? Hitler meant to insult and destroy the Jews, and being wrapped up in the occult (read the book, The Nazis and the Occult ), he may have meant the Jews to be his burnt offering for power. Today, most Jews wear this star by choice, and without thinking or checking out its origin and usage through time. Wearing the six-pointed star became a fashion.

The first mention of the six-pointed star in Israelite literature was in Amos 5:6, when YAWEH angrily tells His people that " I hate and despise your feast days…. You shall take up Siccuth, your king and Chiun your images, the star of your God…." Siccuth (Sakkuth) and Chiun (Kaiwan) means "star" and refers to Saturn as a star, and was objects of idolatrous worship, as they were considered to be Assyrian gods. The mixed multitude that went out of Egypt with the children of Israel took the star with them. Like the obelisk, the six-pointed star was an Egyptian idol used in idolatrous worship. In 922 B.C. when Solomon married the daughter of Pharoah, he became involved in Egyptian idol worship and went into magic, and witchcraft. Solomon built an altar to Ashtoreth and Moloch, and the six-pointed star, the chief symbol of human sacrifices in magic and witchcraft circles, came to be called the Seal of Solomon.

Solomon did not heed the subsequent warnings from God to cease from these abominable practices, even after God threatened to rend the Kingdom of Israel from his son's hand. And indeed, the split occurred after Solomon's death. Solomon's idolatry caused the Kingdom of Israel to be split in two. The practices he introduced to the children of Israel eventually caused the House of Israel to go into exile into the Caucasus, and the House of Judah to go into captivity. It was Josiah who later destroyed this forbidden altar. Did you know that the number 666 was connected to Solomon? (1 Kings 10:14) Yes, 666 talents of gold was sent to Solomon each month by none other than the King of Tyrus. After you have read this account in the book of 1 Kings, turn to Ezekiel Chapter 28. Oh, what a tangled web was weaved, when Solomon practised to deceive. King Solomon left many articles which proved his blatant idolatry, such as King Solomon's Mirror, King Solomon's Comb, and the six-pointed star, which became known as the Seal of Solomon in the witchcraft and occult world. Solomon also laid down the foundations of the Craft (Daniel 8:25) which later became known as Freemasonry., and the six-pointed star features prominently in Masonic rituals.

King David was Solomon's father, but he was never an idolater. He made it absolutely clear that God Himself was his shield, not only in Psalm 3:3 but in Psalm 28:7, Psalm 119:114, and Psalm 144:2.

The book, The Six-Pointed Star, is the first and only academic work which documents the origin and historical usage of this symbol. From Egypt to Solomon, to Arab magic, and witchcraft, to Druid uses, to freemasonry, to Mayer Amschel Bauer, who in the 17th century changes his name to depict the red six-pointed star which hung on his door in Germany, and thus began the family of "Rothschild" (meaning red shield). The Rothschild family incorporated this symbol in their Court of Arms. The research traced the six-pointed star through the Cabala, to astrology, to Hitler and his putting a yellow six-pointed star on Jews during the holocaust, to the Zionist symbol, and finally to the flag of the State of Israel and beyond.

Because this symbol is comprised of a six within a six within a six (i.e. 6 points, 6 triangles, 6 sides of the inner hexagon) the research also includes a look at the 666 prophecies in the Book of Daniel etc., regarding the "willful king" (anti-Christ) and the "mark of the Beast."....." [ http://www.cephas-library.com/is..._of_six_pointed_star.html ]

Ezekiel 20 >> King James Version 1And it came to pass in the seventh year, in the fifth month, the tenth day of the month, that certain of the elders of Israel came to inquire of the LORD, and sat before me. 2Then came the word of the LORD unto me, saying, 3Son of man, speak unto the elders of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye come to inquire of me? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be inquired of by you. 4Wilt thou judge them, son of man, wilt thou judge them? cause them to know the abominations of their fathers: 5And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God; 6In the day that I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands: 7Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. 8But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt. 9But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, among whom they were, in whose sight I made myself known unto them, in bringing them forth out of the land of Egypt. 10Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. 11And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. 12Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them. 14But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, in whose sight I brought them out. 15Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands; 16Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols. 17Nevertheless mine eye spared them from destroying them, neither did I make an end of them in the wilderness.

18But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. 22Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. 25Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; 26And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.

27Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me. 28For when I had brought them into the land, for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to them, then they saw every high hill, and all the thick trees, and they offered there their sacrifices, and there they presented the provocation of their offering: there also they made their sweet savour, and poured out there their drink offerings. 29Then I said unto them, What is the high place whereunto ye go? And the name thereof is called Bamah unto this day. 30Wherefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers? and commit ye whoredom after their abominations? 31For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be inquired of by you, O house of Israel? [BY THE WAY, THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL NOW http://www.preteristarchive.com/...provan-charles_dd_01.html ] As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be inquired of by you. 32And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone.

33As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: 34And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. 35And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people [ http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ ], and there will I plead with you face to face. 36Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. 37And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the [NEW bible.cc/jeremiah/31-31.htm ] covenant: [ bible.cc/ezekiel/20-37.htm ] 38And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel [America]: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. ..... http://kingjbible.com/ezekiel/20.htm

Jeremiah 23:7 "Therefore, Behold the days are coming," says the LORD, "that they shall no longer say, 'As the LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,'

8"but, 'As the LORD lives who brought up and led the descendants of the House of Israel [Galatians 3:16-29/Romans 9:6-8/Galatians 4:21-31] from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.' And they shall dwell in their own land." [2Samuel 7:10/Micah 2:12-13/Ezekiel 34:11-13/John 10/ http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ : see Micah 4:1-2/Psalm 2:6/Ezekiel 17:1-6/John 15:1-2....as for that counterfeit eagle in Ezekiel 17:7-10, see Matthew 15:13.] See also "The CONstitution, the god that failed to save us from big government" [lewrockwell]

God's people [Christians] have "gone down to Egypt for help" and have not turned to Him. And that is our main problem.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-04-09   10:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good to hear from you and others on this, noone. Will have to get back to the topic later this evening if I can. Am pointing out now that Sheriffs are elected officials and this issue of trying to disempower them/disenfanchise us is not new -- just a new State where that's happening. It was discussed, iirc, around the time of the "Dancing at the Jefferson Memorial" event; as well as our Park Rangers being sidelined and our Police Departments being fragmented to serve specific businesses and such. I think the Sheriff-disempowerment issue then was out West, in Colorado maybe, but will have to research that to be sure.

Edited first word.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-04-10   15:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

since you and I have an ongoing debate as to what the nature of the U.S. Government actually is (as opposed to what people errantly think it should be) I thought it necessary to point out that even the "sheriff's" have signed on to the FEDERAL bureaucracy.

A comment on this topic at Rumor Mill News: if they [the people] back the Sheriff and want to preserve their freedom he can arrest anyone that comes accross the county line,that includes the state AG [Attorney General] or anyone trying to cause trouble

Counties have morphed into federal subsidiaries through contractual arrangements with the FEDERAL STATES that have also become FEDERAL subsidiaries.

There is a commercial overlay that has usurped the common-law and the constitution through agreements/contracts, and it is perfectly legal as long as it's voluntary.

You're putting too much stock in contract law and commercial law. One cannot, for instance, make even a voluntary agreement/contract to be a slaveholder -- let alone legally. Article VI says that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of this land -- not contract law, commercial law, corporations, or Attorney Generals. Article IV, Section 4 says that the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government. An Attorney General acting as dictator is not a Republican Form of Government. It's incumbent on D.C. to stand with the people of New Jersey and their Sheriffs against Joe Biden's dictatorial son, Beau.

Edited to correct first link.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-04-12   7:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're putting too much stock in contract law and commercial law. One cannot, for instance, make even a voluntary agreement/contract to be a slaveholder -- let alone legally.

Bullshit. You are a voluntary fucking slave. (Only involuntary servitude is illegal).

Secondly, the Constitution only exists in a common-law environment - and the Constitution itself authorizes everyone to contract without inhibition by the govt.

Thirdly, the STATE you live in "IS NOT A UNION STATE" ... [Look in your STATE LAWS) - they will deem Washington D.C. a STATE - as well as Puerto Rico, Guam, and other enclaves ... you do know that these are NOT FUCKING States of the Union - dontcha ?

There are none so fucking hopelessly enslaved as those clinging to a complete lie because it makes them "feel good" - and allows them to finance the grandest terrorist organization since the INQUISITION, the UNITED STATES.

No mas, I can't take it. Even though I think the Constitution is the only way Americans remain free - 99% of Americans have forfeited their freedom to a cabal of banksters through socialist security programs and other govt handouts.

You and they are wishing to have your cake (Constitutional Govt) and eat it too (govt social benefits) - and that ain't happening.

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-04-12   8:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Bullshit. You are a voluntary fucking slave. (Only involuntary servitude is illegal).

Good morning, noone. I am not a voluntary slave and the 13th Amendment says: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude ... shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Voluntary slaves here with no legal slaveholders? And your idea of not being a slave is to voluntarily let the guvs keep all the money they took from us as a retirement investment? You're telling me, too, that D.C. and the jurisdictional territories (which aren't States) have dissolved the Union and all 50 Statehoods?! I'll thank you, sir, to free your mind from that unsound "think- tank" -- ASAP.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-04-12   9:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

involuntary servitude is illegal).

Good morning, noone. I am not a voluntary slave and the 13th Amendment says: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude ... shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

You are a voluntary slave, not involuntary.

You're telling me, too, that D.C. and the jurisdictional territories (which aren't States) have dissolved the Union and all 50 Statehoods?!

No, I'm telling you an alternative was created to the Constitutional Union and nearly everyone voluntarily joined it. There is a legitimate fraud argument. I support that argument unless one chooses to maintain the fraud by remaining a member in good standing upon noticing about a million [so- called] "constitutional" violations.

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-04-12   14:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are a voluntary slave, not involuntary.

I'm neither and you are back to the problem of explaining slavery with no legal slaveholders here. Or you could just drop that accusation altogether. That would be my preference.

I'm telling you an alternative was created to the Constitutional Union and nearly everyone voluntarily joined it.

That means We the People of the Constitutional Union have more open spaces, now that those Secessionists are outta here.

There is a legitimate fraud argument. I support that argument

Good. Glad to hear that you do.

unless one chooses to maintain the fraud by remaining a member in good standing upon noticing about a million [so- called] "constitutional" violations.

I do want my SS money refunded with accrued interest and don't consider that maintaining their frauds.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-04-13   4:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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