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Title: Why Many Young People Love Ron Paul And Why Many Older People Despise Him
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URL Source: http://www.againstcronycapitalism.o ... many-older-people-despise-him/
Published: Apr 11, 2012
Author: Nick Sorrentino
Post Date: 2012-04-11 08:51:15 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 434
Comments: 34

I have watched Ron Paul for a very long time and one trend I see over and over is the split that emerges between people of roughly under the age of 40 and those who are older when his name is mentioned. I have no polling data to back this up, but young people seem to like Ron Paul and older people seem not to.

This is by no means uniform. I know plenty of older folks who love the good doctor and plenty of young people who do not like him, but generally the above statement holds I think. Why is this?

Fundamentally I believe it comes down to faith in the markets and whether or not one is playing for the future, or if one is clinging to the past.

Young people have much to lose in the economic quagmire we find ourselves in, namely their future. They recognize that times have changed, that the old economic regime is corrupt, and in order to get things going in any real way (not government stimulated) fundamental reforms must be implemented. Many, including myself would embrace a gold standard or a standard based on a basket of commodities. This is a radical departure from the Fed centered fiat currency regime. It would disrupt the current economic order, but a reset is needed and many young people recognize that it is vital that we head in this direction before it is too late. The economic hubris of the 20th century has come home to roost. We would like a real economy.

Older people understandably believe they have much to lose with a reality based economic system(I know this is a loaded term) such as the one Ron Paul advocates. In fairness they likely do.

If one has spent a lifetime compiling paper currency, amassing sums large and small in IRAs and retirement plans, a gold centered revolution could be pretty scary. For many people, especially those who are just now retiring, they have lived their entire lives with the understanding that the money they have saved will provide for their future. It’s a pretty reasonable assumption.

They, and even many long committed “conservatives” believe in the current system. The truth is, they like a large state. They like Social Security, and indeed many rely on it (which makes economic sense if one believes that the current New Deal based system is sustainable and they had always been told that it was.)

The baby boomers are also children of the Cold War where a massive military in the face of the Soviet threat seemed to, and arguably did, make sense. A large state is deeply engrained in the grey matter of the older generation and this is completely understandable.

However even older people must adapt when the alternative is catastrophe.

We are not yet at the point where a majority of thinking people understand the extent of the economic challenges that lay before us. My sense is that many smart older people know that there is much that is wrong, and that something must be done, but that the regime to which they have given so much of their lives can still be saved without real change. In fact many bristle at the thought. Ron Paul is an agent of change, and so they bristle at Dr. Paul.

Aside from the new economic paradigm Ron Paul introduces, something that is at least equally as scary for some is Ron Paul’s foreign policy stance. The thought that the United States should dominate the world, and that it would be dangerous for it not to, runs deep in the baby boomer generation.

For a generation that it is said to not only recognized the folly of Vietnam but brought an end to it, the boomers seem pretty keen on keeping the war machine going. The concept of the military as “big government” is lost on many baby boomer conservatives.

It doesn’t seem lost on many active duty members of the military however, who have given more to Ron Paul than to any other presidential candidate in this election cycle. But most of those active duty folks are young.

What I write here is probably moot of course. It looks like the establishment has gotten Mitt-”I don’t worry about the poor” -Romney, just as it wanted. But Ron Paul will collect enough delegates to make noise at the convention that is for sure.

Also, though the Republican establishment may feel that it has effectively put down the libertarian uprising, liberty oriented Republicans are the future if the GOP wishes to remain viable.

The libertarians are young, committed, information savvy, economically correct, and they are going to see their time in the sun like it or not.

The smartest, most innovative political thinkers on what is called the “right” aren’t in the Romeny, or Gingrich camp, they are in the Ron Paul camp. And the GOP knows it. But the party will fight this reality every step of the way. The real question is whether the Dick Cheney types would rather commit party suicide than capitulate to the New Wave. We’ll see.

Just as the Goldwater Republicans overtook the Rockefeller Republicans, the Ron Paul Republicans will take things further down the freedom path as they eclipse the Bushies.

Time may not have come today, but it is coming.


Poster Comment:

This is a keen observation and one I've observed personally. Not all college kids are brain dead, PC addled Progressives. I would have bet the opposite before getting involved with them this year. The Paul kids lean hard libertarian and "get it" as far as the R v D tango. I've personally had quite a learning experience this year and it has given me a very small sense of hope, which is far more than I came in with.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Fundamentally I believe it comes down to faith in the markets and whether or not one is playing for the future, or if one is clinging to the past

Thats pure horseshit.

AMERICANS of any age that support Paul are smart enough to do so free of any sentiment of the past, future or the rigged market.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-11   9:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-11   9:16:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

Because they've been effectively brainwashed throughout their lives and are too dense to see the forest for the trees.

You've described the average American to a T. Most of them are no better than livestock.

‘Gentlemen, if you’ve ever thought about it, the quality of a man’s life is directly proportionate to his commitment to excellence.’ ~Vince Lombardi

Buzzard  posted on  2012-04-11   9:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#1)

Thats pure horseshit.

I like blunt :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-11   9:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-11   9:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All, *THE LAST GREAT DEPRESSION* (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-11   9:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton, Buzzard, 4 (#2)

I also think the kids are attracted to RP because they receive their "news" via social media, blogs, etc. These kids wouldn't know Walter Cronkite from Walter Mitty, and that's a good thing.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-11   9:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Buzzard (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-11   9:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#5)

And I'm not saying that people should not accept these things for now either. If you're on SS, welfare, food stamps, corporate welfare (aka a MIC or PIC employee), a teacher, a principle, etc., etc., et al., and etc., then you need to be prepared to fully relinquish those monies or you are a hypocrite just like most of the rest of Duhmerika.

A fine rant indeed, but if one really wants to see this system fail, I say hop on the mofo. The illegals sure are. Overload the train to the point it can't move. Once it stops moving, voila! you have your unhappy, very clueless populace. From that point on it's game on.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-11   9:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull, All (#7)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-11   10:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#7)

These kids wouldn't know Walter Cronkite from Walter Mitty, and that's a good thing.

Like Mike Wallace: many thought that the fastest guy in the NFL had croaked at age 28 or so.

That may not be all that good.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-04-11   10:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-11   10:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

this reminds me of the old man who spilled his vitriol towards me for being a Ron Paul supporter some weeks ago.

christine  posted on  2012-04-11   11:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#12)

The problem will be that we have so few people that truly have a good work ethic that most wouldn't even know how to function in a true healthy economy. They'll still be clammoring for "a job" while operating under the same mindset, namely that someone should hand them an address to show up to and a paycheck every Friday in exchange for their compliance in showing up like the drones that they are.

I think I read here yesterday about a "white paper" from MIT, with the backing of the Club of Rome, that went on to detail the eventually culling out of many billions of people (drones) worldwide. I've heard this same sentiment from others (Prince Charles) over the years. I have no doubt the oafs you describe above will be the first to perish, as is only fair in my book. Coincidentally, I was watching a new National Geographic TeeVee show last night about "preppers." These folks are your basic Y2K people with a new fear - the collapse of our civilization as we know it. I found it interesting and informative and I couldn't help but wonder if we were being fed a little morsel of what our future might be.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-11   11:24:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Young people love him because they are young and, mostly, don't have kids.

Paul is silly. Paul is Respectable.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-04-11   11:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Eric Stratton (#8)

Ah. A real man of the people!

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-04-11   11:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-11   11:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eric Stratton, jethro tull (#17)

I know that you're not a God-fearin' man,

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Proverbs 1:7)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-11   14:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Artisan (#18)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-11   15:03:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

The Greatest Generation and American Exceptionalism are two of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard. That generation with their world wars, and their welfare state are amongst the most evil and narcissistic generations ever. If I never ever see a Korean War Vet. hat again I will be happy.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-04-11   15:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lysander_Spooner, 4 (#20)

I draw a sharp distinction between the kids of the 40s, 50s and 60s who were drafted into war from those of today, who despite a wealth of information at their fingertips, volunteer to fight for this Evil Empire. In hindsight, it's clear to anyone willing to take the time to research our entry into WW II, that FDR was fully aware of the pending attack on PH, but allowed it to happen anyway. He was that eager to change America from a protectionist nation into an interventionist one. The kids of that generation, and the later ones, were conned by socialist politicians and our friends in the Zionist media. Nobody summed war up better than Smedley Butler. It's a racket pure and simple. That said, the bravery of the men who fought in those wars can't be ignored, and, IMO, it will never be matched again. Should this nation ever need to actually defend itself, I hold zero hope that the fat little girly men sitting in some college classroom will be up to the task. I'd bet dollars to donuts that the 50 and 60 somethings on this board could still run rings around this wasted lot.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-11   16:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Eric Stratton (#17)

I know that you're not a God-fearin' man

I was named Thomas for a reason I suppose :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-11   16:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Lysander_Spooner (#20)

Thank you very much.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-11   16:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

Jethro...

Olde adage...

Olde men promote wars, young men fight wars.

One step further, olde men of wealth,power and position promote wars. Young men (kids) of the lowest social class ALWAYS fight (bleed and die) the wars. How they got there is of no consequence.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-11   16:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#24)

Olde men promote wars, young men fight wars.

One step further, olde men of wealth,power and position promote wars

The Word.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-11   16:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

Jethro...

Back to the limit of my memory.

In the 1930s, work and money for those of us at the bottom of the social ladder was non existent, hunger was a constant companion. FDR and the olde men knew what was coming down the road, so the government started CCC camps, which were nothing but duplicates of what Germany was doing with their young men. Para military in fact, a place to sleep, three meals a day and a few dollars a month.

Thousands of the poor lined up. They worked but were also given the rudimentary training of military life, just as the Germans were doing. NO SON OF ANY PERSON THAT HAD ANY MONEY EVER JOINED. It was those of us in the lowest white class.

When the war became official, guess what "volunteers" were the first to go and first to form the basic framework of the cannon fodder army????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-11   16:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-11   20:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

I'd bet dollars to donuts that the 50 and 60 somethings on this board could still run rings around this wasted lot.

Now, there you have me.

Most of the boys these days are effeminate and/or metrosexual hipster types, with thier skinny arms and lack of man skills seem to have an affinity to being bossed around by fat beotches with attitude.

I agree the kids of the 40's, 50's and 60's were duped into those wars, I think many today fighting were too, but I find it inexcusable that anyone could be so stupid, hey it's their life to throw down the sewer, and sewers and cesspools is what these wars create.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-04-13   11:08:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#23)

Thank you very much.

It's rare anyone agrees with me...lol....so thank you too :)

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-04-13   11:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Lysander_Spooner, Jethro Tull, Phant2000 (#28)

but I find it inexcusable that anyone could be so stupid, hey it's their life to throw down the sewer, and sewers and cesspools is what these wars create.

Replace word "volunteer" with "draftee" and we would have the exact same people fighting these God awful wars.

This country has NEVER FOUGHT ANY WAR with all college graduates, upper middle class nor elite.

It is we of the bottom of the social structure that do so, regardless if by force (draft) or financial incentive. There is always a sprinkling of upper middle class and a handful of elite, both looking for glory, not to bleed and die.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-13   12:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#30)

It is we of the bottom of the social structure that do so, regardless if by force (draft) or financial incentive. There is always a sprinkling of upper middle class and a handful of elite, both looking for glory, not to bleed and die.

We'll die beating this horse of explaining how this country fights its wars.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-04-13   15:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Phant2000 (#31)

We'll die beating this horse of explaining how this country fights its wars.

I know, I know.

I was overseas in 1952 when the FBI came, looking to drag my white trash ass off to prison.

So, no free ride for those that do not understand that bleeding and dying is for the bottom feeders.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-13   16:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine (#13)

this reminds me of the old man who spilled his vitriol towards me for being a Ron Paul supporter some weeks ago.

You could have taken him.

Back to the masturbatorium with you, nerdling!

Turtle  posted on  2012-04-13   17:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Turtle, christine, 4 (#33)

He only wishes that she'd taken him.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-04-13   17:23:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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