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Title: Sea dispute escalates as China and the Philippines deploy more warships
Source: Fox News
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/0 ... ore-warships/?test=latestnews
Published: Apr 12, 2012
Author: David Piper
Post Date: 2012-04-12 14:16:48 by Phant2000
Keywords: None
Views: 169
Comments: 15

The standoff in the South China Sea between the naval forces of the Philippines and China is in danger of escalating, as the U.S. continues to watch anxiously.

China has now sent a third ship to support its claim to the area known as Scarborough Shoal off the northwestern Philippines.

Philippine warships attempting to arrest the crews of a Chinese fishing fleet that had entered the territory sparked the latest dispute between the two Asian countries.

They were stopped from doing so by the arrival of two Chinese surveillance ships, which then ordered the Philippine warships to leave the area.

They refused arguing that its Philippine territory and have since sent a second warship to the area.

"We're not retreating from our own territory," Alexander Pama, Chief Vice Admiral of the Philippine navy said.

China also claims the rich fishing ground as its own despite it being within 200 nautical miles of the Philippines.

"The timing of the dispute suggests China is keen to send a message to the Philippines and the U.S. ahead of their bilateral military exercise, and to assert its authority in the disputed area," Maria Patrikainen, a global insight analyst at IHS told Fox News.

The escalation in naval forces has caused consternation in capital across the Asian region and further afield.

"We urge all parties to exercise full restraint and seek a diplomatic resolution," a State Dept. spokesperson said.

On the surface this would seem to be a minor dispute between two countries but it is in fact part of a much wider problem that may lead to U.S. military involvement.

On any map you buy in China of the country you will see a huge bulge down in the south showing the territory it claims in the South China Sea.

It's an enormous area, which spreads near to the shores of the Philippines, Indonesia, Taiwan, Vietnam, Brunei and Malaysia.

It even spreads nearly as far as Singapore.

No other country in the region recognizes China's sovereignty, but that hasn't stopped Beijing from marking its claim by any means it can.

This includes building concrete forts, occupied by troops on isolated coral reefs and placing concrete markers in other areas, even underwater, to support their claim.

And China has been prepared to take military action in the past to take control of some islands.

Back in 1974 China and Vietnam fought a battle over the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea. Beijing's overpowering force including submarines won and they have remained under the control of China since then.

The two countries also have an ongoing dispute over the Spratly Islands which last year was in danger of escalating.

Vietnam accused China of cutting cables to their survey ships.

The U.S. military continues to watch China's actions in the South China Sea closely.

It continues to send surveillance planes and ships into the area even at the risk of provoking China.

In 2009 a U.S. ship in the area had a confrontation with Chinese naval forces that claimed the U.S. vessel had entered its waters.

And in 2001 a U.S. intelligence aircraft was intercepted over the South China Sea and was involved in a midair collision that left one Chinese pilot dead and forced the U.S. plane to land in China.

The reasons behind all this interest by competing powers in the South China Sea are twofold.

Outside powers like the U.S. view the area as a key international waterway in which a large part of world trade passes through. Last year the U.S. said maintaining stability in the area is part of its "national interests."

U.S. aircraft carriers regularly pass through the South China Sea on their way to and from the Middle East.

And the second reason is it is widely believed that under the South China Sea there are huge quantities of oil and gas.

China and other nations who claim all, or part of, the area are hoping it will give them energy security.

The difficulty at the moment is that China is seen in many Asian capitals as a bully who wants to grab all of it and will only negotiate with each country separately.

President Obama announced last year that the U.S. would turn its strategic attention more towards Asia to ensure stability there.

The first of the 2,500 U.S. marines that are to be based in Australia have already started arriving.

It has long been feared that this could be the next area in Asia where there may be armed conflict, and the disputes, if not handled properly threaten to lead to a confrontation between Beijing and Washington.

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#1. To: Phant2000 (#0)

Vietnam has beat China's ass twice. I wouldn't be surprised if Filipinos did the same thing.

Americans, as always, exaggerate every threat. And that includes of the Chinese.

Back to the masturbatorium with you, nerdling!

Turtle  posted on  2012-04-12   14:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Phant2000 (#0)

On the surface this would seem to be a minor dispute between two countries but it is in fact part of a much wider problem that may lead to U.S. military involvement.

Why? What business do we have getting involved with this? Why in the hell should any member of the military sacrifice their lives over this? In short, who gives a shit other than the MIC.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-04-12   16:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Phant2000 (#0)

What? A possible war that has no origins with Jews? I bet Jews are pissed about this, they are the king of the wars, who do the Chinese and Filipinos think they are starting a war all by themselves? ;)

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-04-12   17:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Turtle (#1)

Vietnam has beat China's ass twice.

Over the last couple of thousand years, it has several times over. China has returned the favor on a number of occasions.

None of which keeps China from grabbing most of the South China Sea. China has much more naval punch than Vietnam and the Philippines put together. They'll be dialing up Uncle Sugar before long & he'll be more than happy to oblige if he isn't tied up elsewhere.

Is dis be Satan?.

randge  posted on  2012-04-12   17:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Turtle (#1)

Americans, as always, exaggerate every threat. And that includes of the Chinese.

Turtle you know history better than that.

As soon after WW1 as Japan was given many former German islands that stretched south to Dutch East Indies, they started fortifying them.

They had one thing in mind, they wanted to ensure their oil route.

Giving China a pass on this would be foolhardy.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-12   17:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Phant2000 (#0)

Anyone else ever read Mao's lil Red Book? I think perhaps MacArthur was onto something. Patton might have been onto it as well had he not been executed in '45. But I think Patton was onto it as well.

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2012-04-12   19:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: RickyJ (#3)

LOL

Cornhuskerkid  posted on  2012-04-12   19:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Turtle (#1)

Americans, as always, exaggerate every threat. And that includes of the Chinese.

Don't ever make the mistake of underestimating the Chinese, Turtle. In any event, not in this century. They have been planning and building for bigger and better for some time now. Bigger and better what, you ask? Time will tell.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-04-12   20:48:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#2)

Why in the hell should any member of the military sacrifice their lives over this?

Because those running this country have their own agenda. You surely have witnessed how little the top listens to the masses. If the bums in D.C. think we should be involved, we will be. Their reason will be irrational to everyone but themselves and the other bums we are allowing to run this country.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-04-12   20:50:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: RickyJ (#3)

A possible war that has no origins with Jews?

LOL ... ain't that a shame!!!

Phant2000  posted on  2012-04-12   20:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cornhuskerkid (#6)

... ever read Mao's lil Red Book? I think perhaps MacArthur was onto something. Patton might have been onto it as well ...

I have read Mao's red book and, more importantly, MacArthur and Patton were both "onto something" and were intentionally not allowed to do anything, as evidenced by the way they met their demise.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-04-12   20:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Phant2000 (#11)

Anyone that reads this article and has a world map, should do themselves a favor by ingesting a little geopolitics.

Or they might ask the Australians about their opinion on China.

Japan made it to Australia's back door with little effort and it was this country that finally put the brakes on them.

Some posts are indicative of a total lack of history and scant knowledge of geopolitics.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-12   21:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Phant2000, Cynicom (#8)

Don't ever make the mistake of underestimating the Chinese, Turtle

As Pat Buchanan oh-so-correctly pointed out, 100% of China's economic growth, and 100% of Mexico's, is due to the United States. If we were to collapse, so would China and Mexico.

Asians are ants. I've known enough of them. "Whites create, Asian copy and blacks sing and dance." And it's true.

I had a book on what the Japanese did in Peking. I think it was called "The Rape of Peking." There were a lot of pictures in it. The Japanese slaughtered the Chinese and the Chinese just stood there. There was one picture where hundreds of Chinese were standing there and about three armed Japanese were wandering in the crowd, apparently checking IDs. The Chinese could have mobbed them and killed them in about six seconds. But being ants, they didn't.

The late J.G. Ballard, who was in a Japanese camp in China when he was about ten ("The Empire of the Sun") despised the Chinese as cowards. (Might want to read "The Sand Pebbles," too.)

The Chinese have never been a threat to the rest of the world. The Vietnamese, of all people, kicked their ass twice, killing tens of thousands of them. And this was after our war with Vietnam.

Americans are hysterical and paranoid, and they are fools. The Germans were going to take over the world! The Commies! The Japanese! Muslims! Now China!

It'll never happen. China has all kinds of problems, worse than ours. They're going to collapse, and Americans will find a new threat to give their lives some sort of pathetic meaning.

Back to the masturbatorium with you, nerdling!

Turtle  posted on  2012-04-13   14:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Turtle (#13)

They're going to collapse, and Americans will find a new threat to give their lives some sort of pathetic meaning.

Coming from an intelligent, enlightened person such as Turtle, that is unacceptable.

Such a view can only be the offspring of some bias of reality, that I do not understand.

Pragmatists of history would never agree with you.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-13   14:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Turtle (#13)

I think it was called "The Rape of Peking."

Nanjing

http://www.nanking-massacre.com/RAPE_OF_NANKING_OR_NANJING_MASSACRE_1937.html

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-04-13   14:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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